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superstring01
07-19-07, 03:18 PM
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~String
Why would hindu have a problem with dinosaurs?
superstring01
07-20-07, 02:06 AM
Some religions don't have logical explanations. Some do. But dinosaurs are only ONE of the factors I mentioned.
~String
The same applies to others you mentioned. I don't understand why hindus would have to explain dinosaurs, A.I., and everything else differently than the academic world. They have no problem with evolution, science, etc.
Fraggle Rocker
07-24-07, 11:14 AM
In general, people of faith do not find any conflict with their religion in the concept of their god working through the mechanism of evolution. After all, their god did create a universe that is orderly and predictable enough for his children to make their way through it without having to stop every ten minutes and beg for guidance in the most prosaic matters. So he built an infrastructure that includes the Four Elementary Forces, relativity, the uncertainty principle... and evolution. "The Cosmic Watchmaker," to use an old term. The pope has commanded his flock to accept evolution and indeed just about every "hard" science. Protestant and Jewish leaders do not command but they urge. I'll let the Hindus and Muslims speak for themselves but I've never met one who had a problem with evolution.
I have no idea how they feel about A.I. But since most of them don't even believe that really intelligent animals like parrots, gorillas and dolphins have souls, I doubt that they'll lose any sleep over a machine cleverly designed by humans to emulate cognition.
I have met plenty religious people that dont believe evolution is true.
Strangely, most DO believe the dinosaurs existed.. :bugeye:
I think Catholicism accepts evolution and descent with modification (although not my wife, seemingly) so dinos shouldn't be a problem.
A lot of people seem to have created something like a private religion. They still belong to a given religion but they are doing away what stuff they dont like and adopt some views that they do like... etc.
You get the picture.
Wisdom_Seeker
07-24-07, 03:51 PM
In a previous life, I was a T-Rex
A lot of people seem to have created something like a private religion. They still belong to a given religion but they are doing away what stuff they dont like and adopt some views that they do like... etc.
You get the picture.
I think it's sometimes called: conscience.
mybreathyourlung
07-25-07, 07:10 AM
I have met plenty religious people that dont believe evolution is true.
Pretty much every straight-forward Christian I know denies evolution. I'm not even 100% sold on it yet.
Strangely, most DO believe the dinosaurs existed.. :bugeye:
Wait, what? You find it strange that people would believe in dinosaurs?
To answer the original question, Christians believe that dinosaurs existed, they're described in the Bible. Now, what happened to them, who knows?
As for A.I., I don't see why that would be an issue.
And Alien life, I think most Christians deny that more or less because they feel that they, as humans on Earth, are unique and therefore the only life in the Universe.
Pretty much every straight-forward Christian I know denies evolution. I'm not even 100% sold on it yet.
Wait, what? You find it strange that people would believe in dinosaurs?
To answer the original question, Christians believe that dinosaurs existed, they're described in the Bible. Now, what happened to them, who knows?
As for A.I., I don't see why that would be an issue.
And Alien life, I think most Christians deny that more or less because they feel that they, as humans on Earth, are unique and therefore the only life in the Universe.
I find it strange that a religious person would believe in dinosaurs but not in evolution.
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Hmm i see, they believe the dinosaurs were around together with humans (!)
mybreathyourlung
07-25-07, 08:31 AM
OOH, that's the angle. I thought you meant they denied the existence of dinosaurs.
Oh, well then. Well, with my experience with Christians, the majority I know don't think they existed at the same time, or they rarely even think about the topic. I think those that think they walked the Earth at the same time are the more hardcore Creationist groups.
OOH, that's the angle. I thought you meant they denied the existence of dinosaurs.
Oh, well then. Well, with my experience with Christians, the majority I know don't think they existed at the same time, or they rarely even think about the topic. I think those that think they walked the Earth at the same time are the more hardcore Creationist groups.
Its still strange to me that they accept that the dinosaurs were around before mankind. According to the bible the dinosaurs shouldnt have existed before mankind, nothing actually did.
Oh well, im not counting the few days the dinosaurs might have had on us according to the 6 days in which God created the haevens & earth and everything on it.
mybreathyourlung
07-25-07, 09:04 AM
Its still strange to me that they accept that the dinosaurs were around before mankind. According to the bible the dinosaurs shouldnt have existed before mankind, nothing actually did.
Oh well, im not counting the few days the dinosaurs might have had on us according to the 6 days in which God created the haevens & earth and everything on it.
What do you mean? Of course there were animals around before mankind. Evolutionists and Creationist both agree there were animals here first, then man. Just different ways between them.
What are you talking about?! Humans are animals, members of the kingdom animalia.
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~String
I'm a Muslim and I believe (hehe) in hard science, no problems here.
Though I have had some interesting chats with Muslims who adopt the anti-evolution stand. :p
What do you mean? Of course there were animals around before mankind. Evolutionists and Creationist both agree there were animals here first, then man. Just different ways between them.
Look, the creationists view and the evolutionists view on this matter are miles apart, you aint gonna call them similar now are you ?
According to the bible God created everything in six days. True, he created the animals before man. But we are talking days here.
Thats hardly reconcilable with the millions of years evolutionists are talking about.
You either belief the bible that says everything was created in 6 days or you go with the scientific explanation (meaning evolution).
You just cant say "dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, but a few thousand years ago God created everything". Where did they dinosaurs come from then ? Created by the previous God ? :p No logic there.
What are you talking about?! Humans are animals, members of the kingdom animalia.
100% truth.
I'm a Muslim and I believe (hehe) in hard science, no problems here.
Though I have had some interesting chats with Muslims who adopt the anti-evolution stand. :p
What is the anti-evolution stand ? Does that involve creationism ?
mybreathyourlung
07-25-07, 09:43 AM
Look, the creationists view and the evolutionists view on this matter are miles apart, you aint gonna call them similar now are you ?
According to the bible God created everything in six days. True, he created the animals before man. But we are talking days here.
Thats hardly reconcilable with the millions of years evolutionists are talking about.
You either belief the bible that says everything was created in 6 days or you go with the scientific explanation (meaning evolution).
You just cant say "dinosaurs existed millions of years ago, but a few thousand years ago God created everything". Where did they dinosaurs come from then ? Created by the previous God ? :p No logic there.
No, I agree with all that. I think I was just misinterpreting what you were trying to say.
the bible doesn't say when the world was created, so christians should have no problem with dinosaurs. according to the bible there was giant humans (gen6:4), so why not giant animals too?
i like the egyptian creation story: it says that the sun dies in the evening, then it is reborn again in the morning. this means that the world is not created in the past, it is created every day. that's what i believe.
the bible doesn't say when the world was created, so christians should have no problem with dinosaurs. according to the bible there was giant humans (gen6:4), so why not giant animals too?
i like the egyptian creation story: it says that the sun dies in the evening, then it is reborn again in the morning. this means that the world is not created in the past, it is created every day. that's what i believe.
Some theists have attempted to calculate from the bible when the world was created, and they seem convinced that it happened some 6000 years ago.
There is a difference in liking the idea of a particular belief and actually believing it.
Some theists have attempted to calculate from the bible when the world was created, and they seem convinced that it happened some 6000 years ago.
they were fools. the world isn't created in time, it's created in 7 steps.
There is a difference in liking the idea of a particular belief and actually believing it.
i both like it and believe it. i even know it.
they were fools. the world isn't created in time, it's created in 7 steps.
i both like it and believe it. i even know it.
Just saying..
matthyaouw
07-30-07, 10:27 AM
There's always the good old view that they were placed by god and/or the devil to trick us... (http://b3ta.com/board/7291325)
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
Hinduism, or more accurately, Sanatana Dharma is a philosophy and not a belief system. Therefore there is no conflict with science. Even the Puranas and other story books talk about different planets, intelligent creatures and space ships, teleporters etc. Where there is such advanced technologies, it needs Intelligent Systems (A.I.s). So NO conflict there.
Light Travelling
10-05-07, 07:42 AM
I have met plenty religious people that dont believe evolution is true.
Strangely, most DO believe the dinosaurs existed.. :bugeye:
You dont need evolution to have occurred for dinosaurs to have existed... only for other species to have developed from them.
Light Travelling
10-05-07, 07:45 AM
And Alien life, I think most Christians deny that more or less because they feel that they, as humans on Earth, are unique and therefore the only life in the Universe.
What about angels??? surely to the christian mind that would qualify as non human life elsewhere in the universe.
You dont need evolution to have occurred for dinosaurs to have existed... only for other species to have developed from them.
LOL It's besides the point really but how on earth do you suggest the dinosaurs came to be then ?
Light Travelling
10-05-07, 09:35 AM
LOL It's besides the point really but how on earth do you suggest the dinosaurs came to be then ?
I personally am not suggesting anything (I believe in evolution). But we can just as easily say "there was a dinosaur" as "there was a microscopic cell" or "there was a lump of rock" or "there was a density". As soon as you start with "there was a..." you are not expalining the origin of anything.
One could equally suggest that at one point there were a far greater number of species in the world and alot of them have died out. That would explain fossils and allow belief in dinosaurs without the need for evolution. (if one where a christian:shrug:)
I personally am not suggesting anything (I believe in evolution). But we can just as easily say "there was a dinosaur" as "there was a microscopic cell" or "there was a lump of rock" or "there was a density". As soon as you start with "there was a..." you are not expalining the origin of anything.
One could equally suggest that at one point there were a far greater number of species in the world and alot of them have died out. That would explain fossils and allow belief in dinosaurs without the need for evolution. (if one where a christian:shrug:)
Ok, I see what you mean. But that doesn't change the fact that one must be pretty delusional to not believe in evolution in one form or another.
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~String
I hope you realize by now superstring, any answer from me will be scientific jargon dipped in christian religion... Only thing is, i'm expendable with certain theories concerning religion...
Dinosaurs (terrible-lizards)
1. And Satan was a lizard was he not? And in the Bible it says, ''and the Earth was formless and Dark...''
Well, if light resembles good, then dark is evil, so what was this evil on earth? I think it was the Dinosaurs... some interesting correlations between the satanic serpent, the dinosaurs and the concept of a religious darkness.
2. Artificial Intelligence does not go against my God, or christianity for that matter.
3. Aliens eh?... well, there is an infinite amount of space, and an infinite amount of matter probable, and the universe has infinite possibilities - thus, should we be so selfish to presume we are the only intelligent beings? In an infinite universe, we should have infinite expectations...
Reiku :m:
OilIsMastery
10-07-07, 12:29 AM
Just curious. How does our Christian ... bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
Michael
10-08-07, 09:07 PM
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~StringI once dated a fundamental Christian. Man she was HOT. Anyway, RE: dinosaurs; according to her fossilized dinosaur bones are fake, they were made by Satan and his minions to test Good Christians faith. Well she isn't buying into it. Nope.
The possibility that Dinosaurs ever lived does not exist in her Christian World.
Michael
DaleyPaley
07-23-08, 06:14 AM
There are some liberal christians who claim there is no conflict between the bible and evolution. Er, sorry, but there is a HUGE conflict there.
Your statement is no better than theirs, it has no premises and no actual argument.
Ophiolite
07-24-08, 04:52 AM
Pretty much every straight-forward Christian I know denies evolution.You should get out more.
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml
Omg.. :bugeye:
A lot of people seem to have created something like a private religion. They still belong to a given religion but they are doing away what stuff they dont like and adopt some views that they do like... etc.
You get the picture.
That is happening increaingly among Catholics in the more affluent/ informed part of the world. Ignoring the Chirch's teaching on contraception is probably the most ovbious example.
That is happening increaingly among Catholics in the more affluent/ informed part of the world. Ignoring the Chirch's teaching on contraception is probably the most ovbious example.
Yep, and we may criticize them for it. But it's actually a good development, perhaps the next generation will yield more atheists.
the bible doesn't say when the world was created, so christians should have no problem with dinosaurs. according to the bible there was giant humans (gen6:4), so why not giant animals too?
i like the egyptian creation story: it says that the sun dies in the evening, then it is reborn again in the morning. this means that the world is not created in the past, it is created every day. that's what i believe.
If you work back through the generations ,as at least one man has done, you find that all was created about six thousand years ago. This was the accepted age of the earth until geology became established.
Yep, and we may criticize them for it. But it's actually a good development, perhaps the next generation will yield more atheists.
That's what I believe. Once people start questioning their blind beliefs and acceptamce of authority, their views tend to shift.
BTW the dinosaurs never went extinct. There are still a few to be found in the Vatican.
That's what I believe. Once people start questioning their blind beliefs and acceptamce of authority, their views tend to shift.
BTW the dinosaurs never went extinct. There are still a few to be found in the Vatican.
LOL :p
That's an insult to the real dinosaurs !
LOL :p
That's an insult to the real dinosaurs !
I regret my stupid mistake. Some dinosaurs even had two brains that worked a opposed to one that doesn't.
I regret my stupid mistake. Some dinosaurs even had two brains that worked a opposed to one that doesn't.
Indeed ! :D
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~String
I've been in a room with Christians discussing evolution and witnessed several of them jump up on tables and chairs acting like apes, mocking the concept of evolution. To them, dinosaurs never existed.
Gently Passing
07-24-08, 01:36 PM
I used to live in Chicago wherein exists one of the most impressive collections of dinosaur bones anywhere, namely the Field Museum.
It was always a fantasy of mine to "accidentally" drop some kids from a fundamentalist Christian group there, be like, "LOOK WHAT GOD DID!"
That or just sort of "unfortunately" see to it that a Creationist convention is rescheduled there.
Oops!
TheVisitor
07-24-08, 10:24 PM
Some religions don't have logical explanations. Some do. But dinosaurs are only ONE of the factors I mentioned.
~String
Do you have a problem with time?
Just a possibility, call this a theory if you will....
There are dimensions multi layered all existing at different time rates.
The ratio was given in the Bible.
One day is a thousand years.
That's 365,000 to 1
In God's time it took 6 days to create the heavens and earth and all the animals on it.
Then on the 7th day he rested.
That's 7,000 years to us.
Then in our time it has been approx. 6,000 since Adam and Eve in the garden.
That's 13,000 years total... not since the beginning of the universe.
Only since God moved upon the face of the waters over a barren and lifeless planet, and began to RESTORE it to life from a previous destruction.
He told the first creation of man....the one before Adam, to multiply and REPLENISH the earth.
That implies restoring a previous population.
See... you have to read what being said between the lines also.
So let’s see now....if you take 13,000 years in our time, times the 365,000 ratio to God's time - that's 4,745,000,000 years.
Now don't think I'm adding a extra multiplication of the numbers here...because The Bible also describes three layers of dimensional time.
What was said was.... "a day to God is as a thousand years, and a thousands years is as a day."
Fundamentalist "Christians" aren't reading the Bible right.
These are the same guys that sent the world into a dark ages that lasted 1000 years and murdered 68 million people in the name of God....
So we have 4.745 Billion years....
How old is science trying to say the planet is now?
Also put with that the dinosaurs actually lived up to and after the flood of Noah’s day.
The Bible records in Job 40-41 their being seen in Job's day still yet.
The 100's of millions of years scientists say they have been extinct is a lie.
Some lived and died that long ago sure....but others remained until modern times.
Human footprints have been found inside fossilized dinosaur prints made at the same time.
And bone has been found so fresh they aren't even fossilized yet.
You have been duped by conflicting groups with opposing agendas.
And neither one of them are right.
Human footprints have been found inside fossilized dinosaur prints made at the same time.
Where did you find that? Reference please...
TheVisitor
07-25-08, 04:10 AM
Where did you find that? Reference please...
Here's one reference...there are many more.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
That's not a scientifically valid reference. Please provide some that has been peer reviewed or otherwise published in a scientific magazine.
TheVisitor
07-25-08, 04:29 AM
That's not a scientifically valid reference. Please provide some that has been peer reviewed or otherwise published in a scientific magazine.
Really...imagine that!
Will the Smithsonian due?
You want documentation from the very guys that are destroying the evidence as fast as it's discovered because it doesn't fit into their box?
Archeologist's, doctors, scientists..... are they your final authority.
You can't get a license, doctorate, or a paper published outside of their censorship.
So of course there is no scientifically valid reference....
If someone did try to validate evidence contrary to their standard, that person will no longer be a "Archeologist, Doctor, Scientist etc...or whatever.
This has been going on since time began.
Wake up.
Think for yourself.
So of course there is no scientifically valid reference....
MOD: If there is no scientific evidence, then the case is closed until such evidence comes up.
All further posts about the subject will be deleted until such time someone provides a valid reference.
TheVisitor
07-25-08, 04:56 AM
MOD: If there is no scientific evidence, then the case is closed until such evidence comes up.
All further posts about the subject will be deleted until such time someone provides a valid reference.
Ok, when you put it that way....I guess this is a science board.
I will attempt to bring back something a little more convincing for you.
But, no disrespect intended, I hope you could see my point about a "closed circle" of vaidation.
I have personally known doctors coming back from China, that were threatened by the AMA not to speak of the cancer cures they found there.
And if they do....guess what? no longer a doctor.
See how that works.?
I'm sure you do.
I believe this happens in every field.
I understand the problem, but your proposition - to believe in everything someone writes somewhere on the internet - is also unacceptable.
I could make such a page in a few hours with photoshop, if I had the time and will.
Here's one reference...there are many more.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
Here's a site refuting the creationists unfounded claims.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks-missed-boat-cartoon.jpg
Caption: "We Missed The Boat"
Most certainly, those creationists DID miss the boat.
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~String
In old Hindu texts, giant lizards or dinosaurs are not mentioned, except gigantic snakes and crocodiles. Hindus accept the fossil evidence of more dinos, and accept them to be tens of millions of years old.
They would not bat an eyelid if in future ETs are discovered, after all it caters to ET life.
AI will not cure the natural stupidity of xian creationists.
I find it strange that a religious person would believe in dinosaurs but not in evolution.
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Hmm i see, they believe the dinosaurs were around together with humans (!)
So I guess they wouldn't have a problem with the 1950's comic 'Turok and Andar, sons of stone' which had a couple of American Indian brothers being chased around by various dinosaurs and tribes of neanderthals? It's at least 45 years since I read any of the stories, that's all I remember about them.
45 years? How old are thee....:)
LOL :p
That's an insult to the real dinosaurs !
I second it. Dinos never launched an inquisition.
Drphail
04-21-09, 10:32 AM
dinosaurs, ai, and aliens are real, everything relative to religion is not... but 75% is still decent
Er no, no and no.
Dinosaurs were real.
AI may be a real one day.
Aliens are an assumption.
No pass for you today.
Er no, no and no.
Dinosaurs were real.
AI may be a real one day.
Aliens are an assumption.
No pass for you today.
Perhaps he should stop posting here and do something with his life :D
45 years? How old are thee....:)
56, FYI...still crazy after all these years:D:runaway:
Drphail
04-21-09, 11:49 PM
all were, and are, possible. walking on water as a way to appear superior... this is just a empirical form of what we call comic books now. seeing is believing, and that doesn't apply to seeing the printed words one writes.
all were, and are, possible.
AI is assumed to be possible.
walking on water as a way to appear superior... this is just a empirical form of what we call comic books now.
No: surely comic books are themselves?
They don't need an empirical form, they exist.
seeing is believing, and that doesn't apply to seeing the printed words one writes.
Unfortunately that's true for far too many people.
As is the converse: too many people only see what they believe.
Drphail
04-22-09, 11:30 PM
28 000 posts, enough said. mensa short-comer?
28 000 posts, enough said. mensa short-comer?
I'd can it, if I were you.
Drphail
04-23-09, 10:36 AM
just saying, if i wanted to know something unoriginal and simply others' words, i'd go on wikipedia. you don't need intellect to read a lot and have a recurring opinion.
just saying, if i wanted to know something unoriginal and simply others' words, i'd go on wikipedia. you don't need intellect to read a lot and have a recurring opinion.
So you're bored.. please go do that somewhere else.
JustLovely
04-29-09, 01:49 AM
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
~String
As a Muslim I can say the dinosaurs are in the Koran.
"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.
JustLovely
04-29-09, 01:50 AM
As for AI, if the AI asks Mohammad for forgiveness and seeks Allah through the Koran then yes the AI is Muslim and will seek eternity with Allah.
JustLovely
04-29-09, 01:51 AM
As for Aliens, there is no evidence of Aliens. But, if an Alien were to be found, then it would have been foretold of in the Koran. It's not always to see the wisdom of Allah and interpret the TRUE meaning of the Koran until after-the-fact.
As for Aliens, there is no evidence of Aliens. But, if an Alien were to be found, then it would have been foretold of in the Koran. It's not always to see the wisdom of Allah and interpret the TRUE meaning of the Koran until after-the-fact.
Sounds a bit like Nostradamus...:D
synthesizer-patel
05-19-09, 04:51 AM
Human footprints have been found inside fossilized dinosaur prints made at the same time.
No they haven't
That is one of the oldest and silliest creationist red herrings ever :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paluxy_River
Our hominid ancestors split from their ape relatives about eight million years ago. Given that we have evolved from such a source, it's equally possible that other orders of life have evolved towards intelligence that equals our own--or surpassed it, indeed, given the age of the universe and the number of chances for a new start for the evolutionary process.
So it's better than remotely possible that some of the alien races we'll meet in future--when we enter space properly instead of just playing in our own back yard--will be the remote descendents of reptiles, amphibians, birds, et. al., just as we were once related closely to apes.
One of the early Greek philosophers said that if cattle could worship a god, they would give him horns...Given therefore that religious imagery is usually anthropomorphic to some degree, what would be the nature of the gods who these folk worship, and what legends or holy books would they have to show us?
TheVisitor,
To me these kind of tracks prove the dinosaurs somehow survived the great flood five thousand years ago...on some kind of "Ark" maybe ?
Think about what you are saying for just a moment.
If the dinosaurs were on the ark as well and we are assuming that all of the known dinosaurs from fossil finds were there. Then everything would have been eaten by them !
So the question is do you believe in dinosaurs ?
I've never personally seen one, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
They don't exist anymore. They died out and or moved on and are not what they once were.
For me the most important reference is in the Bible in the book of Job.
It appears to be a reference to dinosaurs existing after the flood in Job's day.
JOB 40:15
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
JOB 40:16
Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly.
JOB 40:17
He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
JOB 40:18
His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron.
This is the most important evidence of dinosaurs walking with man. You would think if man met a giant meat eating dinosaur they would be a lot more explicit references. It fact it would be full of them and they would be very specific.
As far as believing in "modern" science and all of it's political agendas....
The question you may need to start asking yourself is;
"Have I been lied to?"
The question is do you believe in Dinosaurs ? I assume by the above your answer is yes.
Therefore you must believe that science is unable to date the fossils ?
How big would the ark have had to been ?
Consider the amount of dinosaur fossil evidence that has been gathered to date ? Remember a male and a female of each and every one ?
How did they die out ? What kind of weaponry was used to wipe them out ?
Why didn't people of the day have remnants of their existence ? You would think that it would be a prize to have a necklace of massive T-Rex teeth ?
You have not thought about this deeply enough.
You have been lied to.
How big would the ark have had to been?
Ever see Jurassic Park?
They stored a dozen fetuses in a cryogenic jar disguised as shaving creme
WTF was there any mention of that in the bible ? LOL
Let's think for a moment...
The world was destroyed by nuclear weapons, then knocked off it's axis shifting the poles, collapsing the suspended water canopy in the atmosphere and then
:crazy:
The agenda of modern science has been to destroy our true history and hide it from the general population
Then why is the world of science about constant discovery. What discover it and then hide it.
If you don't learn from it
You'll end up a crazy conspiracy theorist who believes in all sorts of nutty nonsense.
Never answered my questions just danced around them.
PieAreSquared
05-23-09, 08:12 PM
Ever read the Vedas...?
Why do you think Oppenheimer quoted from it when we tested our first modern atomic bomb?
Of course... because it happened before :rolleyes:
Repo Man
05-23-09, 08:13 PM
I never get tired of this one.
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The great thing about Noah's ark is that it is an instant give away as to whether or not you need to bother with anything that person has to say. It's like arguing with someone who maintains that babies are actually delivered by storks.
PieAreSquared
05-24-09, 12:25 AM
The Noah story is pretty cute... I prefer the old woman in the shoe story ;)
Hapsburg
06-16-09, 06:50 PM
My religion doesn't deny evolution, the big bang, or any other scientific understanding of the universe. It has no need to; theology is generally a personal thing left up to each practitioner. In Wicca, correct ritual practices is more important than dogmatising individual beliefs.
codanblad
06-16-09, 10:39 PM
Just curious. How does our Christian, Hindu and Muslim bretheren here explain the dinosaurs and when they lived, the possibilty of an A.I. coming into existence in the next 20 years and the possibility of alien life?
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what makes you say ai is possible in the next 20 years? my friend said that at the rate technology is improving, we should have it by some certain time, but ai is a completely new invention, the entire time we've had computers they haven't gotten closer to being ai, they're just gotten faster with better software. we might as well say we're closer to inventing lightsabers because motorbikes are getting better.
For Hindus - Aliens are not a proble, because Hindu Gods move from planet to planet either via Vimanas or teleportation
Have not heard too much about AIs - could be part of Yantra framework
Dinosaurs - no peoblem here because Hindu Earth time lasts I think 5 Billion years with Universe close to current knowledge.
The Hindu religion is the only one of the world's great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long, longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. - Sagan, Carl (1985). Cosmos. Ballantine Books. ISBN 978-0345331359. p. 258.
Mr.Wahdy
06-17-09, 07:17 PM
Well, to answer your questions from an Islamic perspective, God (Allah simply means "The God", as it is a compound of two words, "al"+"illah", in which "al" means "the' and "illah" means "God") describes Himself in an infinite amount of ways in the Holy Qur'an and hadeeth. Some of the ways God describes Himself are: "God the Evolver" (Muslims, if they follow the creed strictly, believe in evolution), "Lord of the Worlds" (emphasis on the plurality of the word "worlds"), and also does not limit Himself in His creation.
I'm sure that this answer may seem, at best, vague--and while to some this may seem "progressive", this is an essential part of the ideology of fundamental Islam, going back 1,400 years. If you do see a Muslim bashing science, evolution, etc, it is because while they may have been raised up as "Muslims"-- what they know of their religion is very little.
So, essentially, from an Islamic perspective, there wasn't much of a stir in Islam when the discovery of Dinosaurs became apparent (indeed, in our Qur'an are the story of different races/species/creations that were destroyed before us), also, the Qur'an and hadeeth emphasis the change and evolution in humankind itself (we believe that we are very different from "Adam" and "Eve", in size, longevity, etc, etc)-- this all confirms evolution and extinction, something which our Christian brothers had a difficult time to grasp, when the evidence of such was published.
We also do believe in other beings, namely, the Jinn, and of course, we cannot confine God to only have created us, so aliens being a possibility, are indeed, a possibility. Moving forward, the way Qadr (fate) is described, as well as the power and abilities of God, reminds me very much of M/Superstring theory, using the 10 dimensions. Since infinite infinities are contained within the 10th dimension, it could be said that God exists either in, or above, the tenth dimension, giving Him his unique distinction of having creating everything (good and bad, past and future, etc, etc) while allowing us still theoretical "freedom of movement and choice."
Anyway, I may have digressed well beyond the topic at hand, but I hope that this proves to be informative, and will add to this lively discussion!
Thank you.
Anyway, I may have digressed well beyond the topic at hand, but I hope that this proves to be informative, and will add to this lively discussion!
People see all kinds of shapes in clouds, but they're still just clouds.
People see all kinds of shapes in clouds, but they're still just clouds.
What clouds? I see only elephants....:D
zhengshengming
06-17-09, 10:10 PM
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Mr.Wahdy
06-18-09, 03:06 AM
People see all kinds of shapes in clouds, but they're still just clouds.
Pointless comment is pointless.
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