Exmormon "Holy Ghost helped kill my father"

[Sci-Phenomena]

Hello "Pseudo"science community!! I've just recently finished reading a post from exmormon.org and I am astounded. A woman reports that her mother was sitting in her house when she heard choking noises in the other room, it was her husband dieing, but she reports that she heard a voice in her heard that told her not to help him and I quote:

From her auto-biograhy she wrote:

"As I sat there so very frightened, I was praying my heart out, asking what I could do for my husband. A very strong voice said in my mind: “There is nothing you can do for him. Stay where you are.” Several times I heard that voice, and finally it said: “NOW you can go into him.”"

When she went in the room, my father cried for her to call an ambulance. Those were his last words. He was dead before the paramedics arrived, from a heart attack.

She hadn't gone in to help him for over an hour because she said the spirit told her not to. She said she knew he was in terrible pain and suffering, but felt she needed to obey "the spirit" and not go in the room to help."


This poor mormon woman has been the subject of voice to skull technology, or as the Pentagon calls it "synthetic telepathy" not some mystic holy ghost. The technology uses microwaves of a certain frequency which are modulated and can be heard inside the head. I'd imagine her husband was onto some deep rabbit hole illegal activity, and the CIA which now owns the mormon church decided to intervene and make sure the crimes were not uncovered.

I've heard/read far too many mormon stories of mormons reporting voices in their heads which according to mormonism is the "still small voice" of the "holy ghost." The key is that we don't let advanced technology trick us into thinking any cult like the mormon church is the one and only true church. A deep an hard to believe conspiracy, just go and do some research yourself....

[tablariddim]

Moral of the story.... don't go joining cults.

[Sci-Phenomena]

Moral of the story: Educate yourselves on advanced technology so you don't become duped into thinking some advanced technology is "god"

Mysticism (ie religion) is the ultimate mind control.

[sandy]

The Holy Spirit doesn't kill people.

[fishtail]

Voices in the head are just excuses for some one to do or not do some thing.
The ones that use this excuse are not crazy, just cunning.

[Stryder]

Moral to this story (if real) is don't believe in any gods, spirits, demons or aliens or if you hear a voice in your head it isn't yours.

[Sci-Phenomena]

Exactly

[Giambattista]

Moral of the story: Educate yourselves on advanced technology so you don't become duped into thinking some advanced technology is "god"



Why do you jump to the conclusion that this MUST be one of those infamous voice-throwing technologies that I hear about here and there?

I find it just a little too good to be true that evil shadow government types are targeting random religious people at just the right times (for example, conveniently as a woman's husband is dying) for some nefarious purpose. Are they not only able to predict something like a heartattack, but then be on the scene right away with their remote mind-altering device to successfully send a message to a woman telling her not to help her husband? If you're willing to jump to that conclusion, why not make another leap and say that it really WAS a spirit, good or evil, that spoke to her? Or why not believe that she's deluded or mentally ill? Or why not take an even bigger leap :o and hypothesize that it didn't even happen? I'm not saying that it didn't, but it's a possibility.

I don't doubt that such technologies exist. However, I also know that people have been experiencing these types of paranormal events for thousands of years. Hearing voices is nothing new. I find it impractical and frankly illogical to suddenly pin all of that on a technology that hasn't been around except for probably the last couple of decades, or that anyone would possess a kind of omniscience and omnipresence enough to be in all these places. Again, for what purpose would all that be? Well, I suppose that one could then pin it on aliens who have been manipulating humans. :rolleyes: Not a new theory, that one!

Mysticism (ie religion) is the ultimate mind control.

No doubt true in many cases. ANY rigid, dogmatic mindset or philosphy can be a form of mind control. Religion is not the only culprit, though it is definitely the favored whipping-boy for certain people, some of whom, ironically, share many traits in common with those whom they claim to be above. One could probably point to communism in both Russia and China as a very good case study. Religion is demonised and replaced with another form of mindcontrol.

Oh, well! :o

[Giambattista]

Moral to this story (if real) is don't believe in any gods, spirits, demons or aliens or if you hear a voice in your head it isn't yours.

Why? Is it supposed to be "embarrassing" to any "rational" person to believe in these things, or at least be open-minded enough not to discount the possibility entirely?

[Giambattista]

I'd imagine her husband was onto some deep rabbit hole illegal activity, and the CIA which now owns the mormon church decided to intervene and make sure the crimes were not uncovered.

Sounds like quite an imagination. :p

I've heard/read far too many mormon stories of mormons reporting voices in their heads which according to mormonism is the "still small voice" of the "holy ghost." The key is that we don't let advanced technology trick us into thinking any cult like the mormon church is the one and only true church. A deep an hard to believe conspiracy, just go and do some research yourself....

And to think, the founder of Mormonism all those years ago actually talked to angelic beings, before electricity even!!!! :D Of course, this would again be the shadow government, utilizing its time travel technology.

[Stryder]

Why? Is it supposed to be "embarrassing" to any "rational" person to believe in these things, or at least be open-minded enough not to discount the possibility entirely?

No, it's not suppose to be "Embarrassing" to any "rational" people. The fact is though that some people believe this equipment DOESN'T exist, the (if real) statement was really meant for them since they live inside a little (bubble).

However beware conspiracies... you have to understand the powers that be, the ones that use this equipment have an agenda and usually they don't want the world to know that agenda because of the people they use it on. So they tend to cloud their judgement manipulating delusion with fact so that the reality to the abused is a whole different animal from the actual reality.

[Giambattista]

No, it's not suppose to be "Embarrassing" to any "rational" people. The fact is though that some people believe this equipment DOESN'T exist, the (if real) statement was really meant for them since they live inside a little (bubble).

Maybe I misunderstand, but I wasn't necessarily talking about mere technology. I was talking about non-human sources for such phenomena, and their prevalence in spirituality throughout history. It does little good to stick all of these cases to the board with a single pin, with that pin being modern mind-control tech.

However beware conspiracies... you have to understand the powers that be, the ones that use this equipment have an agenda and usually they don't want the world to know that agenda because of the people they use it on. So they tend to cloud their judgement manipulating delusion with fact so that the reality to the abused is a whole different animal from the actual reality.

Who are these powers that be with this equipment? What is their possible agenda? Not trying to sound like a devil's advocate, just wondering. :eek:

[Stryder]

Who are these powers that be with this equipment? What is their possible agenda? Not trying to sound like a devil's advocate, just wondering. :eek:

One such area of exploration is obviously the human mind (Psychology/Psychiatry) to understand various psychological problems better without encroaching a "physical observer" into a persons manifestations. The problem with this approach though is that it pretty much follows the same sort of "Study" as Nazi's did during the second world war, although in this case driving someone mad to be able to study them is obviously against Human Rights, Civil Rights and breaches a number of international treaties.

The other area is of course espionage, especially in these modern times of subversive propaganda engines. To what ends? why power of course, isn't it always about that and money?

[Sci-Phenomena]

My point is this: Technology is sufficiently advanced that to the uneducated it will appear as magic.

ANALOGY: I go back in time with a large TV and a movie I made explaining how I'm god, the non-technological peoples of the past suddenly lay their lives down for me because they lean more towards mysticism since their immediate senses cant tell the difference between magic and science.

[Oli]

My point is this: Technology is sufficiently advanced that to the uneducated it will appear as magic.
Care to give examples?
Which uneducated?
Wait, how well do you understand science and technology?

ANALOGY: I go back in time with a large TV and a movie I made explaining how I'm god, the non-technological peoples of the past suddenly lay their lives down for me because they lean more towards mysticism since their immediate senses cant tell the difference between magic and science.
Correction: you go back in time with a TV and everyone says "Why's he carrying that big useless box? What a dummy"
No electricity, no power sockets, no technological infrastructure to support it...

[Sci-Phenomena]

You have completely failed to see the truth. You Fool.

[Klippymitch]

You have completely failed to see the truth. You Fool.

Once you build this so called microwave thought gun. I might take your story a little more seriously.

But what probably really happened was the husbands wife probably as a family history of schizophrenia and the drama of the event of seeing her husband having a heart-attack was too much stress for her brain to handle and triggered a schizophrenic attack.

[Klippymitch]

You have completely failed to see the truth. You Fool.

We don't have that type of technology yet sorry.

And a simple sound (?cannon?) would be efficient technology enough to do the job. They exist and it shoots sound in a straight line so one person would be hearing the sound while a person a couple feet away would not.

I saw it on ebay for sale like a year ago for somewhere around $3,000 dollars.

[Stryder]

We don't have that type of technology yet sorry.

And a simple sound (?cannon?) would be efficient technology enough to do the job. They exist and it shoots sound in a straight line so one person would be hearing the sound while a person a couple feet away would not.

I saw it on ebay for sale like a year ago for somewhere around $3,000 dollars.

Actually you can't deny Artificial Telepathy since even DARPA admits it exists. The current problem isn't so much the equipment being capable but peoples denial of it either because they don't know of the technology or they think they can cover it all back up again. Which in essence would be a typical shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.