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As I've mentioned a few times, I'ma computer engineering student, but I'm still a beginner at it all. I have come to the conclusion that Windows sucks in a way that should bring down stray satellites on their heads. I know there are many websites which show compariosns of OSs, but I was wondering what experiences people here have with them all. So far I have only used Windows OSs and a brief bash (little pun there, bash) at Red Hat 6.1. What can you tell me about Solaris, OSX, and others?
I dont know how to say this,but i am an admirerer of Bill gates.He's been in limelight,earned so many bucks,on the basis of DOS with that stupid PRINT SPOOLER?
hell,i need to take some lessons from this guy in implementations...
04-12-02, 08:59 AM
Come on Windows isn't that bad for everyday use...
Personally I would like to combine parts of Solaris and Windows NT to create my 'ideal' OS.
If you don't like windows why don't you go back to DOS? Personally I used to like using DOS, The lack of a decent grammer and spell checker eventually forced me to use Windows more often.
As far as I can tell all versions of Unix (Red Hat Linux, Solaris, WinLinux etc) are all the same. WIth just a few different commands etc.
Dos is pure crud. I don't even like to think about it. I had to do a course unit on DOS scripting (I don't like to call it "batch files", since that term actually describes something else), and found it pure crap. DOS scripting was like the half-wit inbred cousin of unix shellscripts.
04-12-02, 02:53 PM
Whats wrong with Unix shell scripts?? You can do some handy things them...:) Even the dos scripts can be handy...
Nothing wrong with shell scripts. I like them, I just don't like DOS.
The majority of folks didn't like it either. You had to learn DOS to be able to use a computer before Windows poked it's ugly head on to the scene. There was always the memory to tinker with to get things to run. And there was no guaranty that makers of one computer were universal in commands with other makers. Windows did it for you with a click instead of having to learn the commands to get the computer to do something besides being a paper weight. So lazyness paved the way and Bill exploited it to the tee. The newest reincarnation is just as much a piece of crap as the first one was. Now it has more holes than my collander does for hackers and virus writers to exploit. At least the folks that write the virus protection programs are making a good living.
Hang on guys,
do you mean there's no Virus for UNIX as yet?
indeed there are...
Try and build an OS like DOS then you can call yours creation as crap
The only two out of the box GUI interfaced good OS, I know are Mac OS X and NT 2000. I like both - They never gave me trouble. I have said this before, if Scott Mcneally wants to compete with Microsoft, he should have come out with a pure Java OS for WinTel or sold a GUI-Solaris for $80. BEOS is dead. OS/2 too. There is nothing out there that is anymore advanced than MS or Mac.
I was expecting one from the Japanese but they are afraid....May be the Indians or Chinese will come up with one....smart and self-healing....
Isn't there a Java OS called Phoenix? Thought I saw mention of something like that somewhere.
04-13-02, 01:09 PM
If every one was more sensible and honest, you wouldn't have to make a secure O/S would you... Its only the idiots who create viruses that ruin it for everyone else. I spent a whole day last week cleaning a virus off of my four machines, just because some d*ck head wanted to have some 'fun'.
These are the people we should be bad mouthing, not Microsoft and the likes...
Sometimes I wonder if the anti-virus software shareholders are the ones creating the viruses....
What we really need is a method to track anyone who sends an emal to anybody, or gets a file from any computer. Then we could easily track those and punish for vandalism.
Oh, I can't support that idea. You want the FBI and Interpol and such tracking your activities so extensively?
04-15-02, 08:10 AM
Why not? I have nothing to hide.
Firstly,according to CNN the NSA(Just the NSA)shreds or destroys some 10,000 documents,(olde ones)on their computer dbases,<u>every day</u>.
Imagine.they have very important documents out there.The FBI stores so many documents itself.if they start tracking,they are on a Hall.that will put their on network's security on test.(I think so,atleast.)I mean there are so many hackers out there waiting to kill FBI's servers and get caught.i mean its like a dream come true for every cracker!.
Do you think,its economically viable?...i doubt it.
PS:No wonder i work for No Such Agency?;)
While you are on the subject of NSA, there are at least 15 more similar agencies hidden from view. Every military branch has one too. But each one does stuff differently. NSA mostly does electronic spying and perhaps information forensics. There is a overlap of stuff that CIA does too. After they collect all these information - it does not go anywhere. There is no mechanism to effect that knowledgebase.
For example: China is after Nepal and in 5 to 8 years, they will have their first government (pro-China). This has been going on for the last 10 years. Nepal has over 30 Gigawatts of potential hydropower. Everybody seems to be paralyzed including NSA, CIA and the state department....well that is another thread....
There's something even more scarry.
U.S. is in Nepal to settle big scores.it has military bases there.I think they are trying to get over with China.
have you tried Caldera?
it is RAW power...
04-16-02, 08:48 PM
I've been running Debian on a system, I've enjoyed tinkering with it (even though I've been tinkering far too much) I'm sure that should appeal to you Zion since it's Caldera's half-brother/sister.
I did have to root around SUSE the otherday for a mate, he ask me very nicely to check his system out to find any flaws in his FTP server. So I ran through it, It wasn't masking root, I was able to read his files (couldn't write though), although I wrote to the TMP. (Which can be nasty, as if something installs and uses a folder etc.. you could run arbitory code)
Anyway, I found it pretty tite, I mean he could of CHMOD 550 for his files etc, but in the end he did a config that placed the FTP access concealing root, and stopping it dropping down a folder)
I did notice how ever that while root through his system and wondering into his Windows folder (dual boot) that it was possible to execute WIN.COM (everything else needed a better privelidge)
Now it's known that WIN.COM can be trojaned or virated. It spouted out junk to my console, but it's a potential hole to anything with windows.
06-10-02, 04:23 AM
I grew up using the Apple ][e in grade school, eventually graduating into a Macintosh LC575. It was a school oriented computer with no software aside from the OS. I was using TeachText to write documents for school. Eventually, I snagged the CD out of CD-ROM Magazine at my grocery store, and went from there into the wonderful world of Mac OS 7.1. (Don't start bashing me yet guys). I moved up through all the changes with Apple's OS up until I graduated high school, and worked for my school district as a tech. I realized during the political turmoil at Apple that I would never get out of a school job knowing Macs. So my PC buddy at work told me about Sun Microsystems OS known as Solaris. I payed 8 grand to take as many classes as I wanted to within a year. I took 7 classes one of which was the E10K Admin class. For those of you not familiar with Sun's hardware, at the time the E10K was the high end server with 16 motherboards each capable of holding 4 processors and up to 4 gigs of RAM in each board and the low end config was over 1 million bucks. On top of that, if you wanted to upgrade, you had to have a Sun employee authorized to upgrade it for you. But back to my point; I was always a Mac enthuesiest, but realized there's more to life than Apple. Sun. Sun opened me up to Unix and from that I leaerned a whole lot about the computer insdustry. Look where Apple went with it's OS. MacOS X. Runs on BSD which branched from the original Unix. So now I have both again in my life, Apple and Unix. So everything I learned from Sun, helped me with Apple's new OS. But as I write this, I am running XP on my homebrewed PC. I love Solaris though. It is so robust and so powerful. If you want high end server admin type of an OS, go with Solaris. If you want a desktop PC, go with OS X.
06-12-02, 02:51 AM
As far as OS's go I'm way impressed with XP. Robust and user friendly is essentially all you need for the end user.
I used to bash MS in the past but I think they are working hard now to close the gaps. Used Lotus app's previously and migrated across to Office. Must tip my hat to MS for VBA, a little clunky to get a handle on at first but way impressive tool for customising working environments and app's that probably over 90% of the population use.
For now I'm sticking with MS..............convert me.
Originally posted by DR EVYL
Linux is great if you're an engineer, you love command lines and don't do much with your machine besides run a server, or endlessly tweak it in some sort of hi-tech redneck engineering fashion. Sure the software is all free, but let's face it... the software to do anything like desktop publishing or music or pretty much ANYTHING productive sucks ass. It's like driving a car held together with coat hangers and duct tape. Pretty much everyone who uses it works in IT... it's usefulness wears off real quickly once it gets out of the IT realm.
XP sucks because if you have 4 win98 computers at home, you can not buy one XP and load them to 4. Win2K, you can.
Linux is great because those who use it are afraid to say they got suckered. It is that white collar crime that never gets reported. It is a small footprint software great for a file/print server though. And a few people use it in a MPP to do stuff....
Money aside, if one is so interested in UNIX, check out Mac OS X based on pure Free BSD.
06-23-02, 11:05 AM
I, too, have an Apple running OS X and it's the best all-around computer I've ever used. It is so easy that a tech-moron like me can use it, yet it is still powerfull enough to run Mathematica and all the other apps I need to use.
Not to mention, I don't have to deal with crashing or viruses. Two things I don't miss from my previous Windows 98 computer.
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