View Full Version : Your Feedback
Hi,
it's been over a month that I'm moderating Comparative Religion subforum, and not without help from the members, who have on various occasions reported and brought to my attention problems that had to be dealt with.
I encourage and support that, because 1) I'm often busy and away in the woods, both concrete and wood, for days; 2) I recognize that without the members there is no forum, and without a community there is no intellectual productivity through discussion and that good feeling when you are on the same path with other people, so I suggest we continue to moderate this place listening to the best and most noble of our interests.
So, in relation to that I want to hear your honest feedback on what you like and dislike about my moderating? What would you like to improve, and what is your general vision of this subforum, if you have one?
Now, I won't listen to every little whim of an upset child, but I promise to take in mind your thoughts and ideas which I subjectively will recognize as of sound reason and logical.
p.s. If someone has a personal, irrational vendetta to soothe, this is not the place, do it through PMs.
Here is the place to discuss and plan the future and the current state of this subforum.
Cheers,
Avatar
Nikelodeon
05-26-07, 03:05 AM
No, I think there needs to be more facism.
spuriousmonkey
05-26-07, 12:10 PM
And more random infractions to keep members on their toes.
Medicine*Woman
08-26-07, 12:53 AM
I need 11 Goddesses from around the world for a story I have been working on. Ideally these are Goddeses that serve some role in the respective culture in their creation myths (such as Eve being the mother of all in Judeo-Christian Mythology) but not necessarily, as I am drawn to the persona of Kali for one from India. I need perhps one from India, one from South America, one from North America, one from China, one from Japan, one from Eastern Europe, one from Northern Europe, one from the Nords, one from the Maori, one from the Alaskan Inuits and one from the Ploynesians. (it doesn;t have to be those 11, but they should all be from different cultures, and ideally different regions of the world. Malevolence would be nice - the more complex the persona the better.
Any candidates you can think of?
Thanks
*************
M*W: One-Raven, I would love to anwer your question, but I refuse to answer your post in Avatar's sub-forum. Please repost it in the Religion Forum, and I would be happy to reply. Avatar has lost my respect as a Moderator, so I will never post in his sub-forum again!
You have said that for a few times already.
Be seeing you,
Avatar
Hi,
it's been over a month that I'm moderating Comparative Religion subforum,...
Cheers,
Avatar
A month? seems like years. Your a good enough chap. I made a thread here when you first took over the helm and was attacked mercilessly by 2 posters (bullies) so i told you to delete the thread..and you did:rolleyes:
A month when this thread was posted: 05-25-07, 09:04 PM
Sorry, I don't have a script that updates that thing.
cosmictraveler
08-26-07, 10:24 AM
More whippings!! I enjoy to hear them scream!! :D
Whippings, eh? You should try the religion forum, ask for christian doomsdayers, they walked around whipping themselves to blood.
I don't really see what comparative religion or any other religion for that matter is doing on a science website, especially so high up but i suppose I'm being picky!
That has already been discussed many times and reasons given, please do a forum search,
although I agree that it's a bit too high up. I'll ask our admin to lower it a bit when I have the time.
I just now made a thread in the Moderator subforum and asked the administration to lower the Comparative Religion subforum and rise Biology, Astronomy and Physics subforums.
EmptyForceOfChi
08-26-07, 09:51 PM
you have never given me an infraction, so your obviously not doing your job. until i see an nfraction, your just a member to me.
peace.
Grantywanty
08-27-07, 10:31 AM
Be tougher.
Polrean
08-27-07, 05:28 PM
You know what would be pretty cool if we hosted a sort of a interforum debate. Like sciforums vs. theologywebcampus on the historicity of the Bible or something or other.
hummm, interesting, but I don't think we have that many specialists and we would be outnumbered by a whole campus of theology students.
Sorry to be pedantic but shouldn't comparative religion forum be in philosophy section NOT science section? The more the two appear together the more temptation there is to muddle the two.
I don't really see what comparative religion or any other religion for that matter is doing on a science website, especially so high up but i suppose I'm being picky!
I just now made a thread in the Moderator subforum and asked the administration to lower the Comparative Religion subforum and rise Biology, Astronomy and Physics subforums.
So here you go, my request at last has been answered and Comparative Religion is lowered to the bottom. :)
Sorry to be pedantic but shouldn't comparative religion forum be in philosophy section NOT science section? The more the two appear together the more temptation there is to muddle the two.
There is a fundamental difference. Indeed, religion is the subject of philosophy, but CR is the subject of anthropology. Pick any book on CR, and see that it is nothing like the Bible or Quaran. :D It's a scientific study using the scientific method, evidence is evaluated and faith is not an argument.
It is here separate for there to be a place where people can discuss religion as a subject of that science, not just a philosophical exercise with appeal to faith and the like as it is done in the Religion forum. And I am here to see to it that no theological discourses are made here.
OK
Then, being pedantic again, shouldn't CR be in the sub called human science? Y'know CR being anthropology and all?
Human Science (11 Viewing)
psychology, cognition, sociology, anthropology, archaeology
As far as I'm concerned you are doing a good job. I don't see why anyone would think otherwise.
OK
Then, being pedantic again, shouldn't CR be in the sub called human science? Y'know CR being anthropology and all?
Human Science (11 Viewing)
psychology, cognition, sociology, anthropology, archaeology
True, but the placement of subforums in Sciforums is not only determined by their logical place in the sciences system, but also by tradition, their popularity and interests and specific needs of members and administration to "make this place flow better".
Oh that's all right then.
I think you're doing a terrific job, Avatar.
fruityfigtree
11-08-07, 07:50 AM
I just never understand why people want to use scientific principles when analysing God? The two are very separate spheres or topics (or whatever the correct word may be).
Science deals with the natural and physical (this dimension) and faith has to do with the spiritual things which is what Jesus Christ came down to to make us aware of (if you believe that He is truth). The carnally minded (those whose perspectives are from a wordly perspective) obviously will never get it because they cannot perceive it! So what's there to debate really?
@Avatar: If you raise matters of faith in a forum then you ARE asking for preaching because that is a tool that believers use to get others to believe and to explain their faith.
From a Christian perspective, when we preach God's Spirit will confirm the testimony of Christ if it is truth that we are speaking, truth being the record of Jesus Christ that is God's purpose and plan for our salvation. The grace of God (which is His way of communicating to us) always accompanies truth and enlightens, illuminates, awakens the soul with an urgency to know God, gives the heart to perceive Christ and draws faith from the heart. When a sinner yields the heart to this inspiration of grace by choosing to reciprocate with faith he is declared righteous by God because he has met God's standard (Christ) and expectations (the works of faith).
The paradox lies in what exactly the works of faith are. The answer to that is the key to experiencing the fullnes of Jesus Christ in our daily lives as He mediates His covenant that He has shed His blood for as our advocate (which is what He promised). The whole point is for spiritual transformation. From darkness to light. From the law of sin and death to the law of grace and truth. From the fruit of iniquity to the fruit of the Spirit. From the perspective of the soil to the perspective from the throne of God. From the wisdom of the world to the wisdom of God.
So none of this can be seen with the physical eye! It's an experience acquired within the restrictions of the covenant of Jesus Christ (not Moses, not David but Jesus Christ).
Why waste your precious time trying to understand things that cannot be seen by using your imagination and your principle? Stick to science atleast you'll have facts to work with.
Comparative Religion does not analyze god, it analyzes cultures, societies, rites, etc.
Anthropology is not physics. Read a few books on it and you'll understand how these things can be discussed scientifically.
For example, Ritual and Religion in the Making of Humanity (Cambridge Studies in Social and Cultural Anthropology) by Roy A. Rappaport
fruityfigtree
11-08-07, 09:03 AM
Oh ok, it's just that when you asked if the God of Jesus is the same as the God of the Jews I thought the question was about God....
Think i'll read more about comparative religion :o)
Comparative religion is a field of religious study that analyzes the similarities and differences of themes, myths, rituals and concepts among the world's religions. Religion can be defined as "Human beings' relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_religion
Nikelodeon
11-08-07, 09:06 AM
Hmmm, for some reason I thought One_Raven was the mod here.
One_Raven is a very contributing member.
fruityfigtree
11-08-07, 09:13 AM
Comparative religion is a field of religious study that analyzes the similarities and differences of themes, myths, rituals and concepts among the world's religions. Religion can be defined as "Human beings' relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_religion
Thanks!
Posts about one raven moved to a new thread in the About the members subforum
Grantywanty
11-08-07, 09:41 AM
I continue to think you are doing a fine job, here. I am sorry for my own straying within threads I even took steps to keep others in line.
I hope we can actually have a comparative look at reincarnation and I promise next time to keep my wheels in the lane.
Unfortunately I am very busy with university and work these days, my last year in masters, so I'm not able to contribute much right now.
I think your posts are excellent and an example for others.
I just read the rules in this category and one is not supposed to discuss a religion using the main source for that religion, i.e., the bible. That's like discussing Einstein's theory with being able to use or mention Einstein's theories. :eek:
One is not supposed to promote atheism but the rules state that a "rational" approach to God is to claim there is no God. That's atheism. :eek: So what is the point of this category and what is there to discuss without breaking the rules which have already been broken in the rules themselves? :bugeye:
greenberg
10-11-08, 09:40 AM
He he. Good luck with that. :o
See the threads here. :cool:
Hi,
it's been over a month that I'm moderating Comparative Religion subforum, and not without help from the members, who have on various occasions reported and brought to my attention problems that had to be dealt with.
I encourage and support that, because 1) I'm often busy and away in the woods, both concrete and wood, for days; 2) I recognize that without the members there is no forum, and without a community there is no intellectual productivity through discussion and that good feeling when you are on the same path with other people, so I suggest we continue to moderate this place listening to the best and most noble of our interests.
So, in relation to that I want to hear your honest feedback on what you like and dislike about my moderating? What would you like to improve, and what is your general vision of this subforum, if you have one?
Now, I won't listen to every little whim of an upset child, but I promise to take in mind your thoughts and ideas which I subjectively will recognize as of sound reason and logical.
p.s. If someone has a personal, irrational vendetta to soothe, this is not the place, do it through PMs.
Here is the place to discuss and plan the future and the current state of this subforum.
Cheers,
Avatar
For one thing, I just initiated a thread that is simply gone. There is no mention of it, whether it's been moved, deleted, etc. So why is that?
Secondly, the rules themselves are contradictory because they say not to promote atheism or theism but at the same time we're supposed to have a more "rational" approach to God. That's an irrational statement since all of us have to come from one of those 2 reference points in each of our posts since we all either believe in God or we don't.
And thirdly, how can one discuss any religion without using the very source for that religion such as the bible? Again, that's like asking someone to discuss Einstein's theories without being able to use or mention Einstein's theories.
So I see nothing rational in the rules which makes it impossible to post in this category without knowing if one is breaking the rules. :rolleyes:
So why don't you just make the rules easier and less contradictory by calling this category "Bible critique"? That way, you don't have to worry about being objective and having both sides being presented. You can only talk about one side even though scientists are supposed to look at all sides of an issue. ;)
For one thing, I just initiated a thread that is simply gone. There is no mention of it, whether it's been moved, deleted, etc. So why is that?
You should read your PMs. ;)
since all of us have to come from one of those 2 reference points in each of our posts since we all either believe in God or we don't.
Discuss like it didn't matter you believe anything or not. This is not a belief, but science based subforum - Comparative Religion is a discipline of Anthropology.
And thirdly, how can one discuss any religion without using the very source for that religion such as the bible?
You can quote it - as a part of comparative argument.
So I see nothing rational in the rules which makes it impossible to post in this category without knowing if one is breaking the rules.
Not my problem.
Discuss like it didn't matter you believe anything or not. This is not a belief, but science based subforum - Comparative Religion is a discipline of Anthropology.
That would then include discussing the bible impassionately and objectively without taking it seriously. After all, scientists are supposed to look at all sides of an issue, not exclude one side, (which is of course why they have to change their theories all the time since they exclude the bible). But since the bible is not allowed here, then obviously this forum takes the bible very seriously.;)
I'm not sure where you found that it's not allowed to quote bible and I didn't wrote those rules, but it's been done here quite much, also koran and other scriptures.
Personally I find bible and all abrahamic religions very boring, but if you want to quote anything, go ahead.
Just remember that no preaching is allowed.
So again, why don't you just make the rules easier and less contradictory by calling this category "Bible critique"? That way, you don't have to worry about being objective and having both sides being presented. You can only talk about one side even though scientists are supposed to look at all sides of an issue. After all, the only way we're supposed to use the bible here is to critique it any way since you don't allow anyone to promote it. Of course that's biased but we all know that the "scientific methods" are biased anyway. But you might as well be honest about your bias and call this category "Bible Critique." ;)
CR is bigger than Bible. Most people don't care about it.
Ok, I checked the rules, where in the fuck it is written that no bible quoting is allowed? :bugeye:
Quit wasting my time!
CR is bigger than Bible. Most people don't care about it.
If you don't care about it then why not allow it here?:bugeye: Or do people care about Allah here since I see no prohibition on the Koran, or any other religious books and imaginary gods?
* Any allude on religious books with main purpose to prove that there is only X {insert number} true religion(s).
* All quotations and citations from religious books that have no connection with discussion, or which are inserted to distract discussion
* Statements:
- There is only one (or 754) God(s) that should be followed;
- According to {writer} in {chapter, book} there is only one {other number} true religion;
- There is no god(s);
- Etc.
The bible is based on the belief that there is only one true God. So one can't quote the bible without referring to that claim...unless of course, one quotes the bible to critique it. ;) So again, why don't you simply be honest and call this category "Bible critique"? Then you can have a field day in your complaints and criticism of the bible without having to worry about the other side being presented. ;)
If you are having any problems with this, go discuss bible elsewhere.
EntropyAlwaysWins
10-11-08, 10:58 AM
After all, scientists are supposed to look at all sides of an issue, not exclude one side
You are thinking of Journalism, a Scientist is supposed to keep an open mind.
This is not the same thing, even if it may seem like it.
The bible is based on the belief that there is only one true God. So one can't quote the bible without referring to that claim...unless of course, one quotes the bible to critique it. ;) So again, why don't you simply be honest and call this category "Bible critique"? Then you can have a field day in your complaints and criticism of the bible without having to worry about the other side being presented. ;)
It is perfectly possible and exceedingly easy to quote the bible without referring to this. It's not as if it were mentioned on every single page.
Heh, a year later and things change! :D Was a good run, though. :)
What I hope though is that our Administration won't assign some moron to be the moderator here, or delete the subforum entirely.
Of course, the level of quality will sadly surely now decrease here, if someone competent isn't assigned.
But it's their site and whatever.
vBulletin® v3.8.1, Copyright ©2000-2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.