Can anyone see a problem with this? They're in a public place, on a lamppost. I'd quite like a couple of Scottish Socialist Party ones for my bedroom wall - not that I'm a supporter in particular, just that I like socialist stuff. Red stars are pretty, you know. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I've only seen 2 of them near where I live and I'm afraid that I would need both of them. They seem to be strategically placed near the train station - one of the SSP's aims being free public transport. As they're already the underdog and town's littered with labour, the scottish christian party (?!?) and other crap, I'd feel a bit rotten stealing them, but I'd really rather like them.
Taking something that doesn't belong to you ....well, it just seems wrong, don't it? Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Baron Max
Yes. It does. Oh well. I suppose the fact that I posted it here told me I didn't want to do it. I'm getting a bit sderenzi on you, sorry Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Interesting. I discovered one of the people in my street is an SSP candidate, on my internet travels.
phonetic.. you must take what you want, this includes a poster which is out in the open. I advise you steal it for your room :L
Yeah, I guess you would - young punk thief. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I hope someone takes something from you so that you can someday understand the principle involved here.
I'd agree if there were hundreds of them around and it wouldn't make a difference, but I've only seen two. The principle I'm having a problem with is the very low number of them. I've seen two compared to about 1000 labour ones. If I wanted a labour one, I'd have absolutely no problems taking one. Maybe it's a crap analogy, but it's like seeing a fat kid with 1000 so-so bits of candy and then a kid with 2 nice bits of candy. It would be much less harsh to take a few of the fat kid's than it would be to take all of the other kid's. If I saw a street full of them, I'd take a couple. But since there's only two, in what seems a thoughtful location as opposed to labour's 'we've got money, shove lots all over the place', it would seem cruel to take them for my entertainment. I should wait until after the election and then take them. That would make more sense.
All you're doing is "justifying" theft. Would you agree with that same justification is YOU were the victim? Or your mother? Or your girlfriend? Anyone can "justify" most anything, but that doesn't make it right or moral or good. Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you. Baron Max
Well, maybe I am trying to justify it, but there are a few differences. You'll want a Yes/No, so yes, you're right. I wouldn't like to have anything stolen from loved ones or myself, but...! These posters aren't permanent. They're useful up to the 1st of May. After that, they don't serve much purpose and they generally stay up until the council takes them down, they fall down or people rip them off. So, in a way, I pay for the removal of these signs as litter. I pay tax to the council to take care of these things. I don't know what kind of deal the political parties have with local government, but I'll need to check it out. If I went outside and stuck posters on everything, I wouldn't expect them to last. I'd expect people to tear them down, abuse them and probably to receive a fine if I was caught putting them up. As far as justifications go, don't you think I've got a reasonable one here? Go on. View something in glorious technicolour for a change. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
am i the only one that sees the irony in a socialist taking something from the public, because they want it themselves? a true socialist would enjoy them where they are so that others can enjoy them too.
Not quite sure why, but that had me in stitches Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Maybe I'm thinking of a group of people standing around them and enjoying them. I'll have to take a picture of them tomorrow to show you. I'm not a socialist exactly (I don't think). I'm still trying to figure these things out. I like 'socialist realism', propaganda posters, art and what have you. Not quite on the same level as the modern day SSP, but Bolshevik and onwards Russian stuff, DPRK propaganda, Cuban,Spanish civil war and that kind of thing. Political art Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Here's a crazy idea. Why not go to their main office or wherever they're operating out of and ask if you can have one?
Because it's a crazy idea. I'd have to talk to somebody, explain why I wanted the signs, possibly face ridicule and maybe even be forced to say "Solidarity!". I'd much rather drive to the signs, stop, get out, cut the signs down, get back in the car and go home.
phonetic.. I advise you of this.. do it.. cut them down, take them, otherwise you'll find they're only thrown out later by the very people who posted them! I saw a Dunkin Doughnuts sign in the trash cuz of a building sale, they sold it to somebody else. They threw the nice sign away Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I would go take it if I wanted it but I didn't think I had a use for it.. you should take it before it's to late!
I see your point, but I still think it's wrong. I'll wait 'til after the election or maybe I will go to their office. It might be interesting and they might try to persuade me to vote for them (hopefully not for too long). Do you really see this as the same thing? A street sign is permanent, whereas a political banner a few weeks before an election is temporary. I fear that I'll deprive somebody if I took them before the election. Otherwise, I can't see anybody feeling deprived, unless they had the same plan as I do. That's it - I'll email them and ask if it's alright to remove them after the election.
phoentic they won't respond, they are lazy ppl doing easy work for high pay. You must just take them, nobody will care believe me :L
If your country is anything like mine, there will still be plenty of them up after the election and people will cheer you for removing them. For that matter, if you go to the party headquarters on the day of the election they'll probably have a pile of them and they'll be happy to give you one. It's bad enough that you don't want to spend the money for a poster, which admittedly might not even be the proper way to acquire one. But you don't even want to spend your time on it? That is pathetic. What are you, a brain surgeon so the value of your time is measured in dollars per second? You don't like these people enough to be willing to have a short discussion with them that might very well turn out to be interesting--yet you want a souvenir of their campaign that promotes their beliefs. Is the phrase "cognitive dissonance" popping into anyone else's head right about now? Don't ignore the fact that objects are imbued with the spirit of their creators. I'm not talking about woo-woo, I just mean that since you know--in this case even consciously--the genesis of this artifact, every time you look at it you will be reminded of what it stands for, perhaps again quite consciously. But even if it's unconscious, do you want to subject yourself to that experience? I find myself not playing my beloved old Cat Stevens records, even though he made them before he acquired the spirit of an asshole. Every time I hear a song I can't help thinking of fatwas and terrorists inspired by the religions of Abraham. In addition, you're going to imbue this object with the spirit of theft? Are you really into irony? You don't like socialism, which is essentially a form of theft: people steal each other's productive capacity until the economy is so dysfunctional that it has a negative surplus and collapses. The essential principle of capitalism (which admittedly has been greatly obscured in my country) is that no one should steal from anyone, but rather should work hard and smart to create his own surplus wealth and buy what he wants. If you're not practicing socialism by helping yourself to the "excess wealth" of the party in the form of two signs they "don't need," then you're no better in spirit than the slaveowners who helped themselves to the "excess wealth" of their slaves in the form of the artifacts of their production, or than the corporate moguls who help themselves to the "excess wealth" of their employees in the form of the multi-million dollar salaries created by the true economic value of what they produce. Or you could just call it stealing.
Interesting point of view. So I guess you approve of people stealing, say, furniture, too, right? I mean, sooner or later, someone is going to throw it out, right? So, ...what the hell, ....steal it while it's still good, they'll throw it out anyway. Yes, intersting point of view. Do unto others whenever you want because it'll probably happen to them anyway. Baron Max
If your country is anything like mine, there will still be plenty of them up after the election and people will cheer you for removing them. quoting Fragile Rocker Yes. you are quite right!
