Chinese, the superpower about to take over the world!!!

My mom used to tell me, “Eat your vegetables and think of the starving Chinese”….So I ate my vegetables. And now look, the Chinese are the superpower.

 

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They could still be starving...

 

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The Chinese will never conquer the world, as they are destroying the only reason they are growing in power:

A big population.

The one child, one family, policy essentially cuts the population of CHina in half shortly.

Similarly, the growing move to having no children, and the pathetic quality of life of the citizens of the PRC, will both doom China to not meet her expectations.

Also, if they fuck up and get into one major war with any Western power? They can kiss their asses good bye. The United States and Russia would be capable of ending a war with China in all of two hours: Nuclear bombardment of the main population centres and the Three Gorges Dam. China would be incapable of retaliation due to a small stockpile of nukes and outdated technology for them. Moreover, China is massive enough to contain her own fall out, and the resulting conflageration would not be enough to cause a global nuclear winter.

 

PJ:
More of that boring, windy, bellowing arrogance about the US defeating China in a conflict!

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You don't watch or read the news do you? The US can't win Baghdad! After 5 years! The US was defeated in Vietnam. The US was forced into a stalemate in Korea. Your lust for war and blood is amusing. The fact you aren't in Iraq or Afghanistan yet bleat repeatedly for more war means you are a chickenhawk: Love to talk tough but won't suit up. Nukes against China? Will never happen. War is for reaping resources, enslaving populations, sometimes winning over populations, not incinerating them, making us worse than Stalin, Mao and Hitler combined. You may be that wannabe combo but you do not speak for all of us. The US would be obliterated if we started another war. China could wipe the floor with our best Army rednecks anyday. So much confidence!! Why hasn't it been done already? Because the US has not won a conflict since WW2, that's why. Nukes are the Old World way of DEFENSE, not offense, Mr Warlord Wannabe. And you think you're on the moral high ground? This world must be mighty frustrating for you. You are so out of touch with reality your caveman aggression is simply proof you are truly powerless.

 

Genji:

Do you know the difference between "total war" and "limited war"? The only reason we haven't won in Iraq is that we are attempting to establish a nation-state, treat the people well, and you know, not blow them to smitherines. Even through conventionl means, we could destroy every single Iraqi civilian within a few days of bombardment and slaughter.

Moreover, the Chinese military is a joke. They use troop strength to make up for terrible lack of technology, tactics, and weaponry. The average American GI could take on hundreds of Chinese soldiers - as they did in Korea - without himself succumbing to them.

And you'd do well to know that the Americans lost Vietnam because of internal disputes over the war, not a lack of military success. Charlie suffered three million deahts - America only 50,000. The war was capable of being continued for decades more if need be, and still America would have prevailed with a pathetic amount of deaths.

 

Riiight. Heard this one before.

The US will never ever attack China. Not only would we get our asses handed to us but where would corporate America get it's slave labor?? Why, the capitalists would have to either pay American workers a living wage or lower our standard of living to 1900 levels.
Fantasizing about how war was fought in 1945 is perhaps why your bizarre theories are just that.

 

Funny.

The outcome of China vs the US in a head-to-head, military-on-military confrontation is no different than Genji going out into public, finding and confronting a bunch of servicemen and servicewomen, and saying to them exactly what he says about them from the invulnerable safety of his internet anonymity.

But he'd never actually do that, would he?

Chickensh*t, I think they'd call it.

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Genji:

We'd enslave some of those peasants that they keep chained to dirt farms which human excrement fertilizer.

You know, because half of their country is in the dark ages still.

 

China's population is around the same as the United States - that is, slightly above replacement level of 2.2 children per couple.

Many people regard China's large population as a result of savage reproduction, like that of a poor country. But China has been the most populous nation on earth for 2000 years. This has to do more with prosperity than poverty. At one point her population tied (within boundaries of uncertainty) with the Romans.

China has been 'number one' for about 3000 years before the arrival of British opiates. Her stature is rivalled only by the Roman Empire. Currently the U.S. is 'number one'. China is going to be 'number one' yet again in less than 100 years. Sad to see the 400-year period of Western dominance fade so fast! But I must say with the development of science and math, this dominance leaves a legacy exceeding that of the Roman Empire. Humankind as a whole will benefit from Europe's contributions, and China shall deeply cherish it when she reassumes the torch.

 

Oh Mr G. I'm not timid in protests and hate mail, no sirree. I've burned the flag in front of military personnel more than once, heckled them and spat at them since the mid 80's. Nothing to be ascared of. They won't even attack funeral pickets! They depend on bikers for protection. Sorry, US soldiers don't scare me any more than they do the rebels of Iraq or the skinnies of Somalia.

 

Prince_James, yet, there needn't have even been a war. People like my Uncle didn't have to ruin their lives. He literally killed thousands of Vietnamese and probably a lot of Cambodians. Entire villages were "cleansed" - so much so that when they went to the village latter they played baseball with the hundreds of skulls. Many many many of his friends died - needlessly. His happiest moments there were when agent orange rained on his face.

What do you think that does to a young man.
Make him better a better person?
No, it doesn't - it destroys that person and replaces him with someone who has to deal with the fact that they murdered many many many innocent people.



We won the battle of with our superior Ideology - not with guns, but with brains - only then did we truly win the War.

Agreed?

Michael

 

And really, does it matter who the torch bearer is or is it the GrecoRoman memes which are the most important? The Chinese themselves will have succumb to Western memes.... they in effect are becoming Westernized (Hellenized? Romanesque?). That's the true legacy.

MII

 

Michael:

Not at all.

Communism must be destroyed at any price. Including the "ruining" of young men having to kill "innocent" people.

Many of the same innocents were plotting with Charlie to blow up Americans and take over South Vietnam.

Killing thousands of people for a righteous cause should be considered a joy.

Yes. There is only one Western world and one Western spirit. The Chinese cannot take our spirit, as they are not Western. Ergo, the death of the West means the death of said spirit.

But then again, I have no worry: I do not foresee a bright future for China.

China will never be "first".

The United States, Russia, and the European Union have a far brighter future together. India, also, will likely supplant China's role.

 

Prince_James,

It seems to me we won the war against Communism not using Guns but using Ideas. If Communist Vietnam/China had become the socialist paradise they sought to become, perhaps we'd have gone that direction?
But it didn't.
So really, the real war needn't fired a single shot.

Don't you agree?

How was our losing the War in Vientnam the penecilline against Comunism? It wasn't. We defeated Communism by our superior Ideas.

Also, I think Far east Asians can adopt GrecoRoman values. The French did it, the Spanish did it, the Germans did it, the English did it, the Scandinavians did it - they were far from Roman ideologically (especially the Germans

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the Taiwanese seem to be doing it, the Honkonese seem to be doing it - Why not the other Chinese??

Michael

 

Michael:

And in the mean time, 200 million people died.

To be Chinese precludes the ability to be Greco-Romanesque. China is too culturally rich on its own to need another culture, nor could they express the ideals of Greco-Romanism.

The Chinese are not inclined towards individualism. They are Confucian communitarians.

The Taiwanese and Hong Kongese are far from Western. They remain strongly Chinese.

 

Well - we will see, or maybe not, but in my mind the Chinese I know are more Western minded than the Japanese I know. And the Japanese I know seem to be German-minded in many ways.

Regardless, whenever I happen to think of an adage, aphorism, idiom, common quip, witticism, etc,.,.. I find more often than not we share that saying or something quite similar.

There is more that Unities humanity by virtual of the shared common struggle for meaning and IMHO the powerful influence of our DNA than separates us.

They will happily succumb to Western thought, just as my Dutch ancestors did

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As a matter of fact, I know many Chinese that are acutly aware of the influence of Greek thought and are probably more keen to learn it than our Western Ricki-Lake-minded numb nuts compiling the vast majority of our societies

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MII

 

Michael:

I have never known a Chinese to be even remotely connected with Western culture, who was not born here, and even then, the Chinese display a curious set of traits not to be found amongst Westerners.

Separating culture from biology seems to be an artificial contrivance.

 

Prince_James,

No no, I have very good Chinese friends that were born in mainland China and they are really very similar. I have more in common with a Chinese extrovert that like to have a good drink than a Western homebody who prefers to go to church.

Michael

 

Actually, they normally won't beat up civilians because that leads to Courts Martial.

They exist, after all, to defend your right to say almost everything you want to say.

But they aren't similarly limited in estimating of the quality of your character.