Chechen Public Execution Video

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Prince_James, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Ultimate revenge, you mean.
     
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  5. Redefine91 I piss excellence Registered Senior Member

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    Both. I love this video regardless. This should be an option in the US.
     
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  7. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    What is justice but vengeance, James R.?
     
  8. invert_nexus Ze do caixao Valued Senior Member

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    The best part was when the village people showed up at the end.

    Gonna stay at the Y. M. C. A.

    (I wonder what happened to the rape victim though. Think they killed her too?)
     
  9. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    Probably, they're Moslems.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You really can't think of anything?
     
  11. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    More appropriately, they're redemptive monotheists. Remember, pray first, then kill. There's nothing like a hypocritical lack of faith in God to fuel the bloodlust.
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    And they were as sloppy in marksmanship as ethics. I was somewhat relieved watching the mercy shots fired- but also ashamed to have stooped to watching this sick pornography, realizing that each of us here in this thread is an equal part of that rabble. Morbid curiosity is so unfulfilling. Enuf-s'nuff.
     
  13. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    Justice is.......a high priced lawyer getting a murderer off scott free (OJ).
    Justice is......a corrupt judge accepting a bribe from a corrupt lawyer to overturn 17 DUI's.
    Justice is.......a pack of vultures arguing over a half billion dollars while a dead body rots and an infant is left with no parent.​
    Ah yes, modern justice is so much more than mere "revenge".
     
  14. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You're confusing flaws in the legal system with the concept of justice, madanthonywayne.
     
  15. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    afterwards, i was sad that the village people werent the ones doing the shooting.

    THAT would have been traumatizing
     
  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Okay, James, if justice is not society-sanctioned revenge, what is it?

    Baron Max
     
  17. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/justice

     
  18. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    James R.:

    I see nothing else but vengeance in seeking punishment for a crime committed. Even deterrence is merely "deterrence in committing acts that requires us to employ institutionalized revenge".
     
  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    A major part of the development of civilization is the handing over of matters of "justice" to a neutral party. Without government, families would met out justice through retribution (revenge) against those who had wronged them.

    This can set off a never ending cycle of violence and is bad for business. So in civilized society, we all agree to let the government met out our vengence. Just to make it sound nicer, we call it 'Justice".
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I like this one:

    "the administering of deserved punishment or reward."

    Most often, this occurs in a legal context.

    The commonly-stated aims of sentencing of criminals are:

    1. deterrence (general and specific)
    2. rehabilitation
    3. denunciation
    4. incapacitation
    5. protection of the community
    6. just punishment
     
  21. Prince_James Plutarch (Mickey's Dog) Registered Senior Member

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    James R.:

    What is deterrence but, as noted, "deterence in commiting acts that require us to employ institutionalized revenge"?

    What is rehabilitation by removal of the threat (which has little empirical evidence that it works often) of inducing institutionalized revenge?

    Denunciation: Why is it held to be wrong? Because it forces us to seek rectification, aka, vengeance.

    Incapacitation: Why do we seek to incapacitate? So we can avenge ourselves.

    Protection of the community: Why do we protect? Because otherwise we're victimized which forces us to seek revenge.

    6. Just punishment: What is "just punishment"? Why do we punish to begin with?
     
  22. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    God is great baby.....god.....is......great.
     
  23. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    PJ:

    I don't think you understand. Brief explanations follow:

    1. deterrence (general and specific)

    Specific deterrence relates to the criminal himself. The idea is that he will be less likely to commit more crimes if punished for past crimes.

    General deterrence relates to the wider community. Criminals being punished acts as a warning to others who might consider committing the same crimes.

    2. rehabilitation

    This is rehabilitation of the offender. We hope that whatever sentence is imposed will help the offender to re-evaluate his actions and hopefully put him onto a track of lawful behaviour in future.

    3. denunciation

    This is the effect of societal condemnation on sentenced offenders. By being put through a public judicial process, offenders are, in effect, shamed by the community, and their acts are publicly denounced.

    4. incapacitation

    Putting people in prison stops them from committing crimes (obviously).

    5. protection of the community

    This is similar to point 4.

    6. just punishment

    This is where your favorite topic, vengence, comes in. And out of the 6 aims of sentencing it is only part of one aim. Of course, not having studied criminology, I wouldn't expect you to have thought about WHY criminals are punished. But now you know.
     

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