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Here is some information concerning the identity and history of aliens visiting this planet, and interacting with the human race:
http://merlin.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/scripts/nephilim.html
http://www.khouse.org/articles/update/angelseth.html
http://www.khouse.org/noah.html
http://www.khouse.org/events/pp/chuck070597/session2/sld001.htm
Enjoy!
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God loves you and so do I!
No one finds it the least bit ironic or interesting that this phenomenon is identified and explained in the Bible? Hello? Thoughts...opinions???
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God loves you and so do I!
I think it's interesting. And I think you have some bright ideas. But try this, and bear with me for a second. Suppose that the bible was written by aliens like people have been reporting. There is no God in the traditional sense, but spirit. The aliens assume the role of "God" because they are advanced to a point that they have really big heads(PUN :)). This group wanted to guide us but didn't want to interact with us. A second group disagreed with that and thought that controlling our evolution was necessary. So the first group wrote it into the bible a time capsule describing this interaction and perversion of our natural growth, calling it evil or satan. Now, the first group would like to stop what's happening, but their stance is to stay away, so we have been given a spiritual protection by them to use. But the catch is you have to figure it out by the way of God.
[This message has been edited by JMitch (edited September 27, 1999).]
hey,
regarding religion, i think Sitchin has the best ideas to date. His 30 years of research and experience are hard to match. He explains in his books about the giants from the 12th planet and how they came to earth and made us.we assumed them-Orion,Eros etc.to be gods because they were bigger,smarter,and could fly in their "chariots" and of course because they made us. his theories answer alot of questions regarding the pyramids,the maya,mars,planet x,the missing link and religion.ive been researching aliens as well as ideas of our origins and find his work compelling.but this idea does not mean there are not "greys" or other aliens with different origins.dont listen to me though,look for his books,or to get a taste, check him out on the net...........nik
JMitch,
Well, I think that it is the exact thing that the Bible warns of. I think that nik has a good point about Sitchin. I've read some of his theory, and I think that what he is saying could be true but only to a point. See, in Genesis, God says that we were made by the elohim, which is a plural form of the word God, in a way, and is the group of beings that God and angels are included in. So, it's apparent that angels did assist in our creation, but under the will of God. But the important thing to remember is that some of those angels, including Satan, who ruled a kingdom on earth before Adam, have chosen to oppose God, and to replace Him in our souls. These angels are gods to us, and they can appear to be almost anything to us, and they can perform "miracles", speak telepathically, appear and disappear at will. I think that these are the gods that Sitchin is speaking of, and I think that these are the gods of ancient Greece and Rome. I also think that these are the gods that had sex with human women (which is documented in the Bible all over the place) to create hybrids. Greeks and Romans called them demi-gods. Alexander the Great claimed that he was a demi-god. I also think that aliens are demi-gods. Don't forget the message of the Bible, and that is there is one God, and there is one Christ, His son Jesus. The strongest message in the Bible is to not be deceived by Satan. Lots of people think that if something were influenced by Satan they would know. They could tell. My question is why? He knows a lot more about us than we do, and every way to tempt us. His angle is to be tempting. I mean, if one would think that the only people who are influenced by Satan are those who claim to worship him, with their rituals and black magic and crap, paleaze. Isn't that a little OBVIOUS? I think that aliens will attempt to cover up the rapture of the Church. I also think that the rapture and/or a mass landing would be about the only things that could usher in the new world order. In particular when you look at new age religion, and how it coincides with what the aliens are saying. This whole scenario is predicted to a tee in Revelations! They will point to a new world leader, a master teacher, and he will proclaim himself christ and demand worship midway through his rule. Don't be deceived! Jesus is the only way to get to God!
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God loves you and so do I!
Lori,
I think that Satan can tempt any person..
be it saved or not. However, I also believe
that Satan can be found out. I think you give him more credit than he deserves. The
bible says that there is nothing new under
the sun... granite, Satan has been at it a
long time so he is good at what he does...
I ask..what do you make of the scripture that says we will KNOW the shepherds voice??
Will we or won't we?
I must admit that your theory does have some
good points to it. However, I want to point
out that these demi-gods/giants were all
destroyed...at least that is what the Bible
says.
Maybe just maybe aliens are just that.
You know...maybe the bad aliens might
assist the new world leader... and the
good aliens are here to lead, guide, and
protect us from them.
I think it would be a shame to automatically
discount knowledge from them just because
they are different. A lot could be learned..
if one is willing to listen.
I see your point, Flash. I guess it all depends upon what they say about Jesus. If they say he's just another prophet, beware. If they say he's just another soul on a progression through the spiritual heirarchy, then beware. If they say that He is not the Christ, then beware. If they say that there exists a master teacher who is higher on the progression, then beware. If they claim that a progressive spiritual heirarchy exists, then beware. Here's the truth as the Bible tells it...
You will never be God.
You will never be an angel.
You will always be a human, though upon death, will be a human in spiritual form (soul).
There is only one Savior, one Christ, one Son of God, and that is Jesus, and no one else. Ok, so if the aliens or beings of light say anything that contradicts these facts, then they are lying. I think that when the Bible says that you will know His voice, that is true, when Jesus comes, you will know, there will be no mistaking Him. So my point is this...if you are not 100% sure of the intentions of these beings that are contacting us, then they are not of Christ. If we will know, then we will know, and as of yet we don't know. There's your answer. The Bible would not be so explicit with the warnings of deception, and warnings to test spirits, if the spirits could not easily deceive us. I mean think about who it is we're dealing with here. If evil would be so obvious, then the power of Satan is lost. It is not lost as of yet. He will come in PEACE AND DECEIVE MANY. Just keep that in mind. It has to be true you know. It's not easy to fool people like Boris and Plato, they're pretty damn smart, you know? The ultimate in deception is to appeal to one's ego. Especially in today's society. A religion in which man becomes god? What better way to appeal to and deceive? What is the number of the beast? It is the number of man. What religion could possibly replace all current world religions? The religion of man. The only religion that could possibly be adopted on a global basis is one which nullifies all of the rest, and says that they are all basically the same in theory, but let's just replace God with ourselves. Did you read what tiassa wrote in one of the strings? That religion should be the pursuit of knowledge regarding the universe, because the universe is God, and nevermind the protests of sex, violence, porno, and other things that Christians protest. Ah, the fluffy religion. Man is God, and there are no absolutes, no right and wrong, whatever feels good, and if you screw it up in this life, oh well, you'll get another shot at it.
That my friends is Satan talking.
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*mouth wide open* Whoaaaaaaaaaaa whoaaaa
where the heck did that pent up stuff come
from????????? LMAO Slow down my friend! *S*
I believe that the scripture is referring
to everyday life...not just the rapture..
When you pray/talk to God...and he answers..
how do you know it is him?
When your mother calls you on the phone...how
do you know it is her? Could it be that
you have spent time with them and therefore
you know it's your mom on the phone and not
some other lady.
Now regarding the Bible...you even said that
you didn't believe that it was translated
100% correctly...so how do you know what part
is correct? You must have a relationship
with the spirit and not rely upon the bible.
Then you will know whats what. So you cannot
safely say if this-whatever it is-doesn't
line up with the word of God then it's not
of God. We do not know what part of the
Bible is of God. Understand?
Just because you do not know what the aliens
intentions are dosen't mean they are to be
put automatically in the "not of God" category. That doesn't even make sense.
Lori,
Looking for enlightenment here. What does it mean to say that "Jesus is (was?) not the Christ"?
Well, in an esoteric sense, Christ means Saviour. The Christ happens to be designated in the Christian religion as Jesus, who is the Son of God. The Anti-christ will be a false christ, meaning a false saviour. See, he will be perceived as saving us at some point, and he will claim that he is saving us from ourselves (market structure and economics, environmental chaos, world hunger, new technology, new medical technology), but the true saviour, Jesus is the only one who can save our souls. The Anti-christ will be able to perform "miracles" (undiscovered science to you and me) too. Miracles, combined with all the other great things he does for us in this time of need (God's wrath), will convince those who are unaware of the truth that he is indeed the christ. Midway through his rein, he will proclaim himself to be christ, and demand worship. Until this point, it's all the new age peace, love, and light crap, sharing, and self-actualization, and the doctrine that all religions are basically the same in a metaphorical way, and he will not demand worship. He will only demand worship after everyone is dependent upon him for their welfare. That's when the mark of the beast comes in. You will need it in order to buy or sell anything, or participate at all in the market structure at that time. In order to get it, you will have to profess the Anti-christ as the christ, and choose to worship him, thereby denouncing Jesus. Once you do that, there's no turning back. Promise me that you won't do it. At this time, if the interpretations of the rapture are correct, the Christians will be gone (true Christians, that is) and the Holy Spirit will be gone too. Remember the rapture is the event that the aliens will help to cover up. After that point, you will have to become a martyr for Jesus. And I suggest that you do, strongly. That means that you will die for him. If you put your brain of yours to work before then, maybe you could save yourself some trouble. So let me ask you Boris...What is the meaning of life?
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God loves you and so do I!
Oh well, Lori, that's an easy question.
What is the meaning of life? Why, to worship God of course! Isn't it obvious that nothing else we are, do, or want, matters? Individuality, independence, uniqueness, aspirations and pursuits, the search for meaning, betterment of oneself and mankind, dreams, hopes and fantasies, unexplored potentials, limits, or lack thereof, friends, relatives, ignonrance, wisdom or knowledge -- none of it matters, apparently, -- not even life itself. For if God wanted to be worshipped, he would just have made a phonograph recording expounding his own virtues, and played it to himself for all eternity.
Lori, if you have found the meaning of your life, then you might just as well end it -- because if your life is meaningful on its own terms, it ceases to have meaning when you die (after all, you can't worship God from the grave, can you?) Think about it -- if there is a reason for your bodily existence -- could it possibly be something more than mere servitude? (And PLEASE don't tell me what the Bible says. Before you were "born again", you used to think for yourself, or so you claim...)
According to me, Lori, the meaning of life is unknown. And there may be none. But unless we go on living, we'll never find out...
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I am; therefore I think.
Nope.
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God loves you and so do I!
We claim anything we do not understand is the work of Satan. Maybe the ancients should have considered anybody from a strange country as satan as well as somebody from another planet. The so called church fathers said what they wanted the people to believe as it kept them in control. Some had good intentions, but some used God to stop the people from doing what they didn't want them to do. Remember the church putting people to death for thinking the Earth was not the center of the universe. So much in the Bible looks like modern UFO reports that they may know of GOD and were trying to guide us for God.
Brian Watt
10-03-99, 01:52 AM
A QUICK POINT TO LORI:
Lori, please keep in mind that "satan" got a bum rap in the human writing of the bible. "Satan" does not mean evil. In fact in ancient hebrew it actually means "ah-sahtan", which literally translated means "the adversary". So, my own opinion is that "satan", (a non-human inteligence of one sort or another), had a bit of disagreement on the proper course of action with regard to the development of newly created species and perhaps a little "family feud" erupted......Look at it this way: there are 2 equally valid ways to know creation in it's fullest form. Service to others, and service to self. Both can lead to the gateway of inteligent infinity, if applied correctly. So, "negative" forces are not EVIL, they are essential !!!!!...negativity is the way creation "pushes against itself", to engender a greater knowing. The universe is ONE THING. "god' is not separate from the creation itself. "god" is the process of creation knowing and contemplating itself. Somewhere between the positive forces, and the negative forces is that little moment of nothingness where everything is and always will be.
Blacktubby
10-03-99, 03:33 AM
>A QUICK POINT TO LORI:
Lori, please keep in mind that "satan" got a bum rap in the human writing of the bible. "Satan" does not mean evil. In fact in ancient hebrew it actually means "ah-sahtan", which literally translated means "the adversary". So, my own opinion is that "satan", (a non-human inteligence of one sort or another), had a bit of disagreement on the proper course of action with regard to the development of newly created species and perhaps a little "family feud" erupted......Look at it this way: there are 2 equally valid ways to know creation in it's fullest form. Service to others, and service to self. Both can lead to the gateway of inteligent infinity, if applied correctly. So, "negative" forces are not EVIL, they are essential !!!!!...negativity is the way creation "pushes against itself", to engender a greater knowing. The universe is ONE THING. "god' is not separate from the creation itself. "god" is the process of creation knowing and contemplating itself. Somewhere between the positive forces, and the negative forces is that little moment of nothingness where everything is and always will be.
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Wow. Where do you come up with this stuff? How do you know so much about the supernatural when you claim that it cannot be observed. (hence the label of supernatural)
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Blacktubby,
"Reality has a way of catching up with you, the way the ground catches up with an airplane that runs out of fuel."
Ok, I'm working on my attitude. :) Brian, you are correct, in that Satan is God's adversary. So why would you choose to follow God's adversary? To believe that Satan even exists, you would inadvertently have to believe in Christianity, as the Bible is the only religious text that identify him. And not in a good light???? I don't understand where you're coming from at all. Did you read that link I listed under "READ THIS"? Would you please just humor me? I know it's long, but it's exactly what the Holy Spirit is telling me is true. Nobody has it all figured out yet, at least the logistics of it in detail, but this prophecy in the Bible gives us a lot to go on.
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God loves you and so do I!
[This message has been edited by Lori (edited October 05, 1999).]
According to Stichin, the Hebrew word for worship also means work and it could be man was created to work for the Gods. The early church translated it as worship. But could not working for the Gods be a way of worshiping. Remember how many died because they were not Catholics. The only one who has the right to say you go to heaven or hell is God and only God. All the rest of the religions are just given their dictator like orders. Who made them God.
ralph malph
10-14-99, 08:21 AM
please note lori that i have the upmost respect to you:-
however...
i don't believe that satan just belongs to chritianity...
he has become symbolic in our everyday lives. he sybolises the easy way out, the cop out, he incorperates all that is evil and plays on our morals (and too our thoughts). He is the test and affects every person, be it your family or your family pets. regarding 'the test': he tests us every moment of every part of our lives and his inconsequencial existence undermines our whole belief system...
he prompts us to believe in something else, 'the dark side', as Mr. Lucas put it.
thanks for reading
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i just want friends
That's very true Ralph, it's just that the Bible explains who this creature is, and why he does what he does to us. He is not a metaphor, as many out here believe. He is a real being; an angel of light. He is the ultimate liar, the master of deceipt. Through peace, he shall deceive many.
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God loves you and so do I!
JUST BECAUSE SOME SITUATIONS MANIFEST IN PEACE
DOESN'T MEAN IT IS OF SATAN!!!!!!!!!
SATAN DOES NOT EQUAL PEACE!!!!!!!
in your words... WAKE UP!!
faerieshaman
10-14-99, 12:56 PM
hell is only an emotion not a real place and satan is mythical
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Eric Cooper
No it doesn't Flash, but as well, it doesn't mean it's not. That's why the Bible is so explicit concerning "no other gods", "spiritual warfare", "deceipt", "powers and principalities", etc. You are assuming that just because something does give a feeling of peace and love, that it is automatically from Jesus, and you are wrong. I'm sorry, but you are being misled. Eric, you're in for a big, huge surprise one day. Satan is real; there's no denying it. The Bible just wasn't misinterpreted THAT badly. There is no mistaking the message. And I'm very saddened by the fact that he is doing a number on you both, and for the life of me, I can't seem to get through to you guys. Gee, it's almost as if someone is practicing mind control on you both. One you let Satan into your life, he blinds you to the truth. That's why he's referred to as a deceiver by God. That's his whole purpose; to deceive us into denying the word of God. Can't you see that both of you pick and choose which verses of the Bible you want to believe, and then if most do not support your beliefs, you just say, "well, it must have just been misinterpreted". You bend and twist the word until it is meaningless. You replace God with aliens. You will replace Jesus with the Antichrist (Master Teacher). I just pray in Jesus name that when the crap really starts going down, and you're standing in line to receive the mark, and you look around to see Christians being persecuted and killed, and maybe they will all have disappeared by then. And the aliens say they took us somewhere to finish our 3rd dimensional development. And on, and on, and on....you will get out of line, because you will remember what I've said, and you will get down on your knees and repent and pray for forgiveness and accept Jesus as your saviour. You will have to die for Him, but hey, He died for you, and it will be worth it. I'll be waiting for you.
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God loves you and so do I!
Lori,
I do not see Eric or I putting aliens in
the place of God or Jesus... do you Eric?LOL
For the life of me...I don't get you!
Where have you read that I turned my back?
None of that shit is gonna happen..ok?!?!?!?!
Ok, it's already done. I got a message last night that was very clear. I'll explain more later. BTW, I called the ce-4 guy last night. He was very nice and extremely helpful. I'll be passing on lots of info, and I even can network now. He gave me names and sites, and even a guy who will help me with scripture. I'm super-pumped! Super-pumped with the Holy Ghost! Go, Jesus, Go!!!!!
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God loves you and so do I!
faerieshaman
10-14-99, 04:32 PM
Ok i've got to respond now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO we've opened a can of worms. Hiccup wants to know what you consider worshiping god and what do you do daily to let your god know that you are worshipping him and how does this improve your life......Lori?
No Flash, i do not see us putting aliens as a god. I've looked at almost all religions and researched..this does not mean im worshipping them. Iam wiccan and revere the earth not aliens, I have a God and Goddess and the Faerie Realm. Not aliens. probably opened up another can of worms now lol and thats all i have to say about that.
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Eric Cooper
Hey there Hiccup,
That's a very good question. To worship, I pray and praise Him every day. I read the Word, listen to the Word, and comtemplate the Word daily. In a way, the belief itself is a form of worship, in that to believe, you are accutely aware of His superiority, and the fact that He is the Father. I thank Him whole-heartedly every day for saving me, and forgiving me, for His awesome grace, and for His guidance through the Holy Spirit, and for His protection because I KNOW I've been very well protected.
Practice is kind of a different thing though. Prayer again is here, but also decision-making. I must always fight the temptations of the flesh, and LET the Holy Spirit guide me in everything I do. You guys can see that I may not be all too well accomplished at this at times, but believe me, I've come a long way baby. It's not easy to be forgiving when you're husband treats you like shit, but I have to, and I do. Not that it's not hard, but I do anyway. The stronger your faith, the easier it is to let the Holy Spirit guide you, and to give up the flesh. So it's really hard at first, but gets more and more easy the more you pray and when you see results, your faith grows, which in turn makes it easier, and it's a continuum like that, but a never ending one (at least until you die). By the "flesh", I mean that which we all have to fight; lust, greed, jealousy, ego, pride, anger, hate, blah, blah, blah. I find that there are always things that I do that I only realize later were wrong, or there are many things I do that I still don't realize were wrong, but the influence of the Holy Spirit works to improve your ability to discern, and makes the change almost for you. People are afraid of Christianity because they think it will be such a struggle to "be good". Well, the Holy Spirit changes you without effort. It's not really such a struggle. You want to do what you want to do, because you see that it is the only right thing to do. If you don't want to change something about yourself, then don't. Nothing should be done out of fear or reluctance, but out of the desire to glorify God. I'm kind of rambling aren't I? I'll finish later when I'm at home. It's hard to jump back and forth between financial statements and this stuff!
Yea, I'm home! You asked about how it's changed my life, and it has, and in good ways. I want to say though that I think that most popular religions change peoples lives in a good way. Behavioral outcome-wise. More than anything it's a peace of mind. It's that hole you can't fill up any other way. The reason people look all their lives for the meaning. The answer. There were times that I thought I knew the answer and was wrong. Times when I didn't care whether I knew it or now. And then the time when I HAD to find it. I looked everywhere else first. Because my grandma had tried to spoon-feed it to me when I was younger and I hated that. I'm too smart for that. I'm kind of being sarcastic, as I've referred to the length of time it takes someone to find Jesus as the true IQ test. Now that I've got the Holy Spirit working, it's amazing how fast my life is changing. Sometimes changes are painful, but you've got to have faith. That's the reason I'm here driving you all nuts right now. :) Really, I know it always sounded so corny when preachers talked about getting "the calling" to preach. And I think a few of them heard the call of the dead presidents. But I honestly feel that now. Very, very strongly. And I struggle with this change because I've always been the "responsible" one. The good student, the degree, the job. Now that stuff seems so small in comparison. And I'm also the party-girl from hell know it all with the redneck mouth! Oh yea, what a preacher I'll be. I think Truestory did a pretty good job of pointing that out, eh?
Tell me...what is a witch, and why would you want to be one? I mean, even if you wanted to be one, why would you want to be called one? :)
Also, do you think that it's coincedence that you're into wicca, and you're being abducted?
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[This message has been edited by Lori (edited October 14, 1999).]
Lori,
The message you received ..was it about your
calling? Come on...spit it out!!
P.S.
I didn't catch the part about Eric and I
twisting the scriptures around..picking
and choosing ect...
You need to remember... the bible was written
by man! Not the holy spirit! I mean come on.. will the real scripture please stand up!
LMAO
No, not "the calling", but I get really frustrated and scared for you guys, and I was all fretting and whatnot, and He said basically not to worry, that He was taking care of it. Whew! See? I should have more faith. The Bible came from the Holy Spirit. In translation, some value could be lost, but those who really translate the Word use the original Greek text. You guys are taking wayyyyy too much liberty I think. For example, what do you think the Holy Spirit is? My point is that if you're getting guidance from aliens, then you're not getting it from the Holy Spirit. My guidance comes directly from the Holy Spirit because that's what I ask for, AND the guidance that I'm getting is telling me that the guidance that you're getting is coming from Satan. Explain that. I mean, if the stories are opposing, then who are you going to listen to? That's why I want you to pray, pray, pray. Pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit of God, and to see the truth. Pray for protection from the influence of Satan. If there's nothing wrong with your aliens, then you should see that, but I KNOW that the Holy Spirit will tell you the same thing He told me.
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God loves you and so do I!
faerieshaman
10-15-99, 09:49 PM
Lori Lori Lori lol
I know for Hiccup and I and Im sure Flash, we arent taking guidance from aliens,by all means.In fact its quite the opposite for us, i know for a fact most alien species are deceptive....I know this. I take what they say with a grain of salt. Like i said on another thread,i was told the apocalyptic story of July 26,2000........but...im not holding my breath,im not gonna stop paying my bills nor run and hide til then. I rely on our God and Goddess and the deities. Its all a part of karma,what happens,happens for a reason and if i die i die i will be reincarnated to live another life. By the way, did you read the thread on Wicca yet?My protection comes from my Elementals and they've proven themselves time and time again,we only have to be aware of psychic attack from spirits,other witches or of course aliens in some cases. Hope that puts you to ease somewhat...and i think i also speak for Flash as far as not trusting aliens. Take care and im sure i'll be responding again tonight lol
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Eric Cooper
Eric,
Hey man...I really should e-mail you..look
there is a species which I am not really
sure what they are called...but they indeed
are amazing.... e-mail ya about it.
Later
Lori,
The value has maybe was changed a bit?
Ok, lets say you are making a cake..and
instead of the the sugar it was suppose
to have ...it was mistranslated into
flour...now you have a cake that taste like
shit. Get the point?????
Let me tell you something... we have
stories that conflict because you are
only open to certain things...therefore,
there is no room for growth beyond which
you know it to be! THAT is sad.
faerieshaman-Anything that people do continuously IN PLACE OF reading the Bible, praying, etc., is considered having a false god.
faerieshaman
10-16-99, 06:26 PM
Once again, thats your belief as you got it out of your religion...I have my religion called Wicca not much to do with your religion,but there are many of us.Wicca predates christianity and many of our beliefs were taken by christianity as there own.
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Eric Cooper
Excuse me Flash, but I would like an e-mail too please. :) Don't be all discovering amazing shit without me!!! LOL! Remember, I'm the one who gets to poop all over it by saying THEY'RE DEMONIC!!!
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God loves you and so do I!
Lori,
*sticking tongue out* thhbbbbtttttt
Ugh!!!!!!!!!
Ok Flash,
Say you're making a cake, and the recipe is in ancient Greek....so you ask for some help interpreting it from some translator. But you pick the wrong one. This translator doesn't want your cake to taste good, so he tells you to put in flour instead of sugar. And you would never know till it's too late. Actually, this isn't a really good analogy, because my point really doesn't have to do with translation, but with spiritual guidance. The Bible is a "special" book. You can sit down and read it like a text, and get a whole lot out of it. But if you're filled with the Holy Spirit, and you read the Word, it actually talks to you. I know that sounds freaky-wierd, but it's true. The Holy Spirit is the ONLY way to know the truth for sure and in it's entirety. You may get the half truth, or 3/4, or 99% somewhere else, but man, it's that little 1% of a lie that's gonna blow your ass right outta the water. Here's the lie....I'll even tell you what it is....Jesus is not the Christ, and/or is not the Son of God. He was just a prophet going through some initiation when He was resurrected. Yea, He's good. Yea, He's a prophet. Yea, He's a teacher. But He's no different from any of the others. He's just further along on His "spiritual progression" than we are. There, that's the lie. WATCH OUT! That's exactly what the aliens and the Antichrist will tell us.
Eric,
I can't find the big ass post on wicca? Where's it at?
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God loves you and so do I!
faerieshaman
10-18-99, 09:55 PM
Lori its in the consiracies link and says Lori this is wicca go read it...2 links down from this one
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Eric Cooper
Deadwood
10-30-99, 02:06 AM
Lori
regarding the 'sons of God' as stated in Genesis somewhere in chapter 6.
Luke 20:36 says
for they cannot die any more because they are equal to angels and are sons of god, being sons of the resurrection.
I interpret from this verse that the sons of god are humans. Because Jesus was talking to humans in this verse.
but thats my interpretation anyway, people are welcome to have their own opinions.
faerieshaman- It's been awhile since I've specifically aimed anything your way, but I have to ask, because I always hear it from Wiccans. Every Wiccan I've met to date says that Wicca predates Christianity. Wicca as an organized faith began when England repealed the witchcraft act of 1735 on June 22, 1951. I quote from "Witchcraft" (Octopus Books Limited, 1973):
"As a result of this apparently minor change in the laws of England, witchcraft became a legitimate activity for the first time in centuries. This liberation of the occult from its legal chains was seized upon by a number of self-styled witches, who launched 'Wicca'. This, they said, was the true religion of organized witchcraft.
"Despite the claims advanced by the movement's founder, Dr. Gerald Gardner, that Wicca was a survival from prehistoric times, it was almost certainly inspired by the writings of Margaret Murray and Aleister Crowley. The time was ripe for it, however, and Wicca took root, acquiring an ever-growing army of adherents, which led to its development during the next twenty years as a firmly established fringe religion."
Wouldn't it be more accurate to assert that Wicca is "based on beliefs" that predate Christianity, rather than that the religion itself predates Christianity? :)
trilli0n1
12-13-99, 07:34 PM
Well Lori what if I said Muhammed was the way to salvation. What then?
I would say that you're close, but no cigar.
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tablariddim
12-13-99, 08:01 PM
How can you as a Christian say he's close?
Islam is supposed to be the traditional adversary of Christianity, didn't you know that?
Hello everyone.
Hmm, where to start. Well, here goes.
Using probability, we can assume that other life other than ours exists in the universe. That I think we are all in agreement with. This thing about whether or not they are devils or demons or just malevolent ego-driven aliens or maybe even benign beings we are to yet find out. A person can't just say that there isn't or is a spirit realm in which they dwell. Who can say? All I know is this:
1. That intangible things are real. Whether that is called the "spirit realm" is open to speculation.
2. There are obviously paradoxes in the universe that contradict normal logic.
3. Aliens are obviously more advanced than we are.
4. I like to dance in my underwear
5. Elvis is dead.
6. If we do come into contact with these aliens, people will respond differently.
7. I do believe in a God in the Judeo-Christian way because of the Genesis explanation, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." And the Hebrew meaning for the word Christ is literally "the Word". And that fits with the description made in John 1
8. There are laws that are not physically tangible (like I mentioned before) but rule the physical universe.
9. Last but not least, you cannot rationally explain God in scientific terms because if you could, all the atheists on this messageboard would convert. It's an act of faith. And that's not a cop-out weasel-like way of getting out of a debate; it's just that science and religion are studies of two different things.
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Tab,
No, I did not know that. What I meant was that all major world religions capitalize in some way on the true spiritual laws that exist. They just explain them in a different way and attribute them to another god or prophet or christ or whatever. The basic behavioural outcomes of various religious faiths are very much the same, they just attribute it to something different. Jesus doesn't take the place of Islam, or Confucianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, or Taoism any more than it does it's own Judaism. The New Testament, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the final word. He is the Christ. Yes that means that the God of Abraham and of Isreal is the Father, but many of the teachings changed because of Jesus. Sin is not atoned for in the same way since. There was no forgiveness through Christ before the Christ.
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"ET phone home!"
"Uh, hello Satan?"
"Hey, your plan worked great! They all think I'm cute!"
Dear Lori,
God loves me and you Love me,but would God love to see me loving you or would he just want pictures.
Bode
Bode,
Please don't dis-respect Lori.
She gets enough crap from everyone without stooping to new whimsical lows - funny or not.
Kind regards,
Dave.
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