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I read in The Times newspaper that Dr Sebastian Kraemer has released findings that psychologically, boys are biologically programmed weaker than girls.
From the point of conception, stresses on the mother are more likely to effect male embryos than female.
They are three times more likely to develop disorders such as autism and hyperactivity.
At adolescence, boys have retarded risk evaluation capabilities.
And young males are more likely to attemt suicide by several hundred percent.
Disciplinarian approach with boys is more likely to leave them troubled than toughened up.
Source: The Times: Health, Tues, march 5 2002
Thoughts, comments, arguments?
goofyfish
03-06-02, 10:24 AM
Can we get a link, or additional data regarding sample size, controls, etc.?
Peace.
*stRgrL*
03-06-02, 01:16 PM
So Im better than all of you:D Just kidding, I know some guys that are smarter and I know some girls that are smarter. In my opinion were all about equal. But if thats what the study sayz....
Groove on:cool:
Stryder
03-06-02, 01:47 PM
Well I'm sure they missed the whole Alpha male dominance thing that some guys tend to suffer from more than others.
It's noted when you look at the instance of bullying and realise that that cruelty stems into something further throughout their life.
For the one bullied they will probably suffer depression and anxiety, while the old bully could subject his bully tactics on others throughout his life and career.
(Notibly wives suffer from such torment)
These people should understand that pride isn't something built on the arrogance of being spiteful to another.
There is also the fact that this Alpha syndrome tends to make guys break between extremely competative and easy going.
Of course there are many rigours of stress caused by the Alpha syndrome, due to the fact that most guys take it upon themselves to try and achieve heights (where stepping on people occurs) this can lead to exhaustions and breakdowns.
From that perspective though, most of those occur trying to do alot for female people that they "Place on a pedistal".
*Ho hum!... we try to give everything to you girls :D
*stRgrL*
03-06-02, 05:06 PM
Stryder,
Keep tryin, keep tryin:D
So guyz are the weaker sex, a proven fact?.
This just goes to prove a point I've long held.
Thing is when I tried a thread to say it's time women took over I was shot down in flames, and mostly by men surprise surprise.
Methinks they dost protest too much
:p
I PROTEST
takes slowly a gun out of his pocket, checks if loaded and shoots bbcboy for tryin' to take over:D:D;) :p
cheers!
AAAAGH!
The flames, the flames
Not again!"!
Noooooo:eek:
Pollux V
03-06-02, 06:26 PM
THIS IS MADNESS!!
Time to go dominating females, as if it matters which sex is better (personally I think females look better but that's just me)...
This is not about either sex being better than the other.
The point to be addressed is that from this article we are to believe that far from toughening boys up, the best way to prepare them for life is to treat both sexes equally throughout childhood.
(I tried to get a link to The Times website archives, but they want paying).
Banshee
03-08-02, 06:38 AM
*The point to be addressed is that from this article we are to believe that far from toughening boys up, the best way to prepare them for life is to treat both sexes equally throughout childhood.*
I do certainly agree with this! Boys and girls should be treated the same way from birth on. It would make a difference.
Boys are brought up with silly things as 'Boys don't cry', 'Boys have to be strong', 'Boys have to defend themselves in a fight' and more of that crap.
Raised equally, there would be less frustration among boys when they grow up. They'd learn to have FEELINGS and SHOW THEM.
There is a lot to say for that.
Love yourself every day and others as much as yourself... ;)
(As well boys as girls!)
Pollux V
03-08-02, 07:42 AM
It's been my experience here over in the states that girls are the ones that really care, or give a shit abooot a hellofa lot more than most boys (not including me). This includes schoolwork and above all their looks.
Banshee
03-08-02, 08:45 AM
Well, I don't want to give a dime for every boy/man who is concerned about his looks! Male vanity is more secretive than female vanity.
Guess that is also because of their way of being raised. They are not allowed to show their vanity. Oh, if you could take a look at all those men and their secret thoughts of being considered as ugly or not... :bugeye:
And you do have the looks Pollux V, you do have the looks!
Forgive me if I seem cold, but about the 'boys don't cry thing'...
I believe that there is no problem that deserves crying short of death. I believe that personally, my strength is enough that I don't take offense at anything and never will. I did, very easily, when I was a kid. I made a conscience choice to not be offended or afraid, and haven't been since.
Fear is another one of those emotions that's useless except to avoid serious physical injury. Fear is nothing more than a belief that one is unprepared, and a sign of weakness and self doubt.
As for male vanity. YES! Maaaany men are very worried over their looks. However, they don't take it to the same extreme.
Banshee
03-09-02, 11:57 PM
Then I have news for you, Tyler. I am a woman and I don't hang around the mirror for hours, not even for 10 minutes.
Fear is an emotion that's brung to you through childhood. It is just the way you look at life. I fear no one and nothing. Have learned that a long time ago.
As for the boys don't cry thing, you didn't understand the post quite well. How come you have to present yourself as a I am not afraid, do never cry, I am the man type...?
Case of being raised that way. Or don't you have feelings?
'No thoughts to think, no tears to cry, no feelings left...?'
I read somewhere else you have a gorgeous girlfriend? Without feelings too? Of course she is gorgeous! Are you the kind of person who would go for anything less...? :bugeye:
Typical male raised!
Esp,
If You"re talking Genetically,yes thats True.
bye!
Banshee: Yes, that's why I said male vanity does very much exist in the same regards. I'm not a total moron, when I say men or women I do not mean every single one. It's a sum up. There are exceptions to every rule and every statement.
Is fear an emotion brung to you through childhood? If so, do we as intelligent beings not have the power to exist outside of ourselves, analyze ourselves, examine ourselves and realize truth? If truth is that fear is useless (and in many situations that people experience fear, it is totally useless), why can we not eliminate it? Why are people not able to shut off fear? I believe it's possibly solely because I eliminate it from useless situations.
I understand your whole 'boys don't cry' stereotype hate. Personally I look at it more like this; I'm a human being, I can realize what's logical and what's not logical, so if fear or worry are not necessary or in any way good, I won't do it. Not because I'm a man, because I'm a human.
As for my girlfriend; she's the mirror opposite of me in that regard! She's an incredibly emotionally beautiful person, she's very compassionate and definetly experiences emotions like fear or worry faaaaaar greater than I do. As for her intelligence? About a 92 average last year. Not bad, if I may say so myself. She's a perfectionist in her work and works her butt off day in day out (again, shows how much of an opposite of me she is). She is absolutely gorgeous as well; which is one of the many, many reasons I was always so confused over why she ever liked me!
I go out with her because of how amazing, compassionate, emotional, intelligent, interesting and fun she is. Looks are an add-on to all those things, that's the attitude I've had for ages.
Banshee
03-10-02, 07:12 AM
:) Thank you Tyler. :)
Now you sound a lot nicer. More like a human yes, not like a 'I am the man' type. That's all I wanted to know.
Give my love to your girlfriend and stay the way you are. Fear and worries belong to human life. Fear is to overcome in a certain degrade. Some fear must remain, without it you shouldn't feel good any more what kind of 'evil' humans you meet in the progress that's called life. Human emotions, feelings and intuition...
Not parted through the words male or female... :)
I was driving to work late last september. It was early in the morning and I'd been up late the night before indulging myself so I guess I was quite emotional anyway, ya know?
Anyhoo, The radio in the car played John Lennons' 'imagine'
interlaced with lots of news items from history to do with war and terrorism and so on. It was in response to september 11.
I just broke up in the car and had to pull over and the wierd thing was it was just so sudden. I wasn't feeling particularly sad just slightly hung over. I was just overcome with uncontrollable sobbing.
I do think that crying is a good thing in the physiological sense. Tears are full of toxins and I feel better for a good ol' whinge. I don't think it attacks my manhood because my 'manhood' isn't an issue for me.
A new thread looms...
Weep on ya big butch buggers. It won't kill ya
:p
Banshee
03-13-02, 03:14 PM
:) Yeah...That's The Spirit...! :)
Crying is a part of our emotions,nothing to do with gender.if we dont cry out on the spot we have to,it"ll be in our minds forever,and affect our cardiac future...;) you know what i mean;)
bye!
Banshee
03-14-02, 10:16 AM
There ya go! Another man with the right Spirit! More please, more...:)
Fear has evolved for a reason. Fear WAS necessary. Fear IS necessary - but only in some situations. MANY people get afraid or worried right before an exam, despite having studied for hours. What purpose is there to this fear? Where is the logic?
I say - it's not going to help you to worry, so why worry?
By the way; sorry for taking so long to reply, I was away!
As for crying at something like Lennon's Imagine (I'm a big Lennon/Beatle fan, by the way!). I don't remember being overcome with the urge to cry or even having the urge to cry at anything like that. I am a little cold as a person though I suppose, I tend to let logic take me instead of emotion a lot of the time (which is something that changes a lot when I'm with someone emotionaly run). So I tend not to get what I would consider useless emotions.
I consider myself tough and I consider myself strong, and personally, while you may see this as useless, I see it as a good thing. A little while ago I was playing basketball and I got a ball kicked into my face. Just as a side note, a basketball kicked like a soccer ball that hits your nose/eye area hurts a lot. Anyway, I felt like crying or just lieing on the ground and holding my face for an hour; but I got up, brushed myself off, walked around for a bit and then kept playing. Should I have cried? No. I saw no reason to. I didn't have to and it wouldn't have helped me.
Banshee
03-15-02, 07:33 AM
Sorry, I think you missed the point. Bbcboy is talking an emotion which he felt at that particular moment! He doesn't say he is always crying if he hears Imagine/John Lennon.
I am not a man/boy, I cried over John Lennons death, as I did over Freddy Mercury and a lot of others. Just because the circumstances in which they died gave me such a lonely and sad feeling. So much hurt and pain!
I don't cry when I get a ball in my face either. It is something completely different. You can't cry over everything.
The point Bbcboy gives has to do with a sudden emotion.
As for fear, you need some of it, to have a good self-defense and I don't say that you have to be afraid of everything. I don't fear a thing. Always know though, when to take care of myself and others who are with me, when something bad is on its way...
orifinally posted by TYLER
I consider myself tough and I consider myself strong, and personally, while you may see this as useless, I see it as a good thing
I Don't see this as useless at all. It obviously fills your needs and thats fine. I just wonder if it's a crutch. Is there some denial happening here? Just a question and the reason I ask is fear that it may some day let you down. Only a thought. Long may your bullet proofness continue:D
Weep on ya big butch buggers. It won't kill ya
Well!
I consider myself tough and I consider myself strong, and personally, while you may see this as useless, I see it as a good thing
Exactimundo Tyler. I was raised - or rather raised myself - to be tough and to be strong, and to keep fighting and not collapse in a sobbing heap when things got bad. I had no choice.
This does not mean I have no emotions, it simply means that I am not completly dominated by them.
Quite frankly, I detect a bit of envy......
And I won't cry when you say goodbye
I'm out of tears
Out of tears
(We needed some Stones to balance the Beatles references, oh yes we did)
Originally posted by zion
Esp,
If You"re talking Genetically,yes thats True.
bye!
Yes, there's the x chromasome and y chromasome thing, and I think this unevenness between the big x and the little y doesn't really have anything to do with the emotional thing that this is about. :)
Everyone should cry It cleanses the soul.
A crutch eh? Interesting thought, that my personal physical and emotional strength are bad things.
I don't need to cry, it doesn't aid me in anyway, therefore I don't. Personally, I don't see any logic against this. Ha, did anyone ever see Spock cry???
Everyone should cry It cleanses the soul.
*Psst* There's no such thing, at least in the traditional sense. Carry on.
Tyler:
Interesting thought, that my personal physical and emotional strength are bad things.
You have not been initiated into the mystical rhapsodies of 'I'm okay, you're okay', 'nurturing' one's 'inner child' and Oprah's Book Club.
Me, I prefer the mystical rhapsodies of Great Cthulu, Sunken R'leth and H.P Lovecraft.
A crutch eh? Interesting thought, that my personal physical and emotional strength are bad things.
No not at all, not bad things especially, just things to be respectful of.
The stitches in lifes rich tapestry?
You seem very sorted and I admire that in anyone.
What I meant was; those qualities cost.
They have bi products which build up.
Crying detoxifies the system and leaves those systems you gain strength from refreshed and replenished.
It's called a coping mechanism. You have yours and they work for you..
I just think there may come a day when you face something which will mean those systems need augmenting.
Rave on
And love yourself every day:D
Originally posted by Tyler
Fear has evolved for a reason. Fear WAS necessary. Fear IS necessary - but only in some situations...... What purpose is there to this fear? Where is the logic?
I say - it's not going to help you to worry, so why worry?
......I tend to let logic take me instead of emotion a lot of the time (which is something that changes a lot when I'm with someone emotionaly run). So I tend not to get what I would consider useless emotions.
I consider myself tough and I consider myself strong, and personally, while you may see this as useless, I see it as a good thing. A little while ago I was playing basketball and I got a ball kicked into my face. brushed myself off, walked around for a bit and then kept playing. Should I have cried? No. I saw no reason to. I didn't have to and it wouldn't have helped me.
The purpose of fear
Fear exists to prevent one from becoming prematurely dead.
There are many dangerous situations that don't actually scare you. But the prime focus of fear is the unknown.
That which we have no experience of and so cannot accuratly control the scenario is where most fear stems from.
Point is I suppose most people ar not scared of crossong the road. But if more were, there'd be fewer pedestrian RTA's.
It's not going to help to worry
Quite true. But the point is fear, and tis is not necessarily the same thing.
More that worry is a symptom of the phenomenon of fear when experienced over a long period of time. Anxiety.
Worrying is mostly futile though :)
The logical majority..
I too am governed mostly by logic.
It is this logic that shows me that emotional release is theraputic and regenerative.
I'm not talking about crying every day, but when you feel that you might, try going with it.
Just once.
Should you have cried?
Well here the line's drawn.
Low levels of pain are not really a cause for crying in adults, more likely that an emotionally intense experience would lead to tears.
Banshee
03-17-02, 08:45 AM
*Should you have cried?
Well here the line's drawn.
Low levels of pain are not really a cause for crying in adults, more likely that an emotionally intense experience would lead to tears.*
Yes! That is exactly what I mean and could not find the right words for! Thanx Esp.:)
Sometimes you get filled with emotions, doesn't matter where they come from. There are days in your life that you just feel like crying and everything seems to go wrong. Including your interactions with other humans, loved ones also. Then there are moments in your life you see or hear something so sad, you just cry because of the loneliness and sadness which comes from it. The way humans treat eachother for instance. Then there are moments in your life, you don't feel well, or you didn't sleep well and you feel uncomfortable in your own body, so the smallest 'thing' can happen and you break down and cry.
Nothing wrong with that, just human feelings. Better hold on to it, for else you become numb and untouchable to your own Inner Self...
Interesting capitalization of 'Inner Self'
I don't know, I just don't get that feeling. When a day goes really bad, my logic just follows to say that tomorrow is another day and there's no use worrying over the past, I'm never going back to it. I tend to not let emotions take me away unless they're good emotions, and I don't remember the last time I felt like crying in hapiness.
Wait, that's a lie, yes I do. It was when my team won in a shootout in a U.S. National tournament a level up from us. We were the only Canadian team out of 64 teams in the tournament and the Pittsburgh fans had spent all games yelling "U. S. A. - U. S. A." and as we won the shootout one of our players started singing Oh Canada. That was a damn proud moment, and I think I may have had tears to my eyes then.
Banshee
03-17-02, 02:43 PM
Tyler, you are a real superman! Do you by chance have any Kryptonite on you? :rolleyes:
I rest my case...
Consider it a lie or pathetic if you will, but I can't really change it. For too long I've been seeing things by my own logic, and can't change that now. It's not always (or even frequently) a good thing, though.
The last time I cried, a few deep groans of dispair, was in the mid-50's when
it hit me as I was walking away from my aunt's grave that I would never
again interact with a person I loved dearly.
The family's reaction was: "Sonny can cry!"
Thank you George Carlin for coining the phrase "The pussification of America."
Take care all :rolleyes:
justagirl
03-17-02, 07:19 PM
boys are taught to suppress their emotions which causes many problems.. that's a fact... you might enjoy my entry today called we need women in power all over the world....lol
Sorry, doesn't apply.
For a better understanding, read:
http://www.swarthmore.edu/~apreset1/docs/if.html
Take care ;)
justagirl
03-17-02, 07:51 PM
LOl just like a guy I quote facts and proof on my entry and you offer a poem to dispute it...smiles hi there
Banshee
03-17-02, 08:03 PM
Chagur, thanx for the poem. I like it very much...:)
IF! One of the few Kipling poems I like. Thanks.
Banshee: If I am correct, Superman would not carry Kryptonite because it harms him. So you are wrong.
A weak argument merits a weak rebuttel.
Justagirl:
boys are taught to suppress their emotions which causes many problems.. that's a fact... you might enjoy my entry today called we need women in power all over the world....lol
I had soda crackers and coffee for lunch, therefore suppressing one's emotions does not cause problems.
Tyler:
It's not always (or even frequently) a good thing, though.
Is anything? Take care.
(And Pittsburg fans can be horridly annoying)
Banshee
03-17-02, 08:30 PM
Oh my, there we go again. Why you think I typed it in the first place...?:rolleyes:
Why you think I typed it in the first place...?
Because you were worried that I would not reply and you just cannot stand taking part in a thread without my raw sexuality and charm? :p
Banshee
03-17-02, 08:50 PM
Yeah, that's exactly right! How did you know...?:D
Easy. I get that a lot. It used to be my sparkling wit though....I must have matured.
I cannot type this with a straight face!
Xev,
I wonder...
Your avatar, Is it what you look like or what you aspire to?
Love yourself everyday!
Oh My! Xev is like Avatar,my my my my my my......;)
bye!
My avatar is my namesake, Xev.
Zion wrote>Oh My! Xev is like Avatar,my my my my my my......
I have nthing against:D, but what did you mean by this?
didn't catch the idea:(
a little insight..............
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