Please consider me...

[Athelwulf]

... to be moderator.

This may jeopardize my ever being considered, but I'm willing to take this risk.

In SF Open Government and Site Feedback, I often see threads that would fit much better in another forum. The problem is that people do not think first before they post in these forums. They don't think about how issues concerning our mods and admins, and nothing else, fit best in Open Government, and that questions and criticisms about SciForums, and nothing else, fit best in Site Feedback.

I feel this is unfortunate, because it gives the impression that these forums are nothing more than clones of Free Thoughts. It makes you question whether or not open government and questions or criticism of the site are actually important to us.

I want to change this. I am volunteering my time and effort for the purpose of keeping SF Open Government and Site Feedback straight. I believe I possess a common sense concerning where threads should belong, common sense that others here perhaps neglect.

I ask the administration to consider me for moderator of these two forums. Thank you.

[S.A.M.]

You have my vote.

All the best!

[Zakariya04]

Hi Athelwulf,

Hows it going?

you have my vote too, for what its worth!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Zak

[Athelwulf]

Thank you both. :)

[invert_nexus]

A public poll?
How lame.
You've done this before, yes?
Wondering how popular you are then?

NO MOD FOR YOU!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Sein_soup_nazi.jpg/250px-Sein_soup_nazi.jpg

[invert_nexus]

Anyway.
Neither forum needs a mod other than the administrators.
Why?
Because the two forums should be under close observation by admin. That's the whole purpose of these two forums.

[spuriousmonkey]

i think athelwulf should get a perm ban, but i didn't see that option anywhere.

[Theoryofrelativity]

These forums barely have any threads do they? Not much moderation required

Looks like someone has taken your comments on board though and tidied up these forums? they look rather slim

[outlandish]

A public poll?
How lame.
You've done this before, yes?
Wondering how popular you are then?

NO MOD FOR YOU!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e5/Sein_soup_nazi.jpg/250px-Sein_soup_nazi.jpg
I rediscoverd the delights of soup during my recent cold.
really is a very underated food.

[Athelwulf]

A public poll?
How lame.
You've done this before, yes?
Wondering how popular you are then?

Be cynical all you want, but my intentions are genuine and honest, and it was late at night and I was tired when I made this thread, and I just threw a poll together. It was after seeing a random thread in one of these two forums and thinking, "That does not belong. What the fuck." So I posted this thread. I'm surprised you would think my actions are dishonest, and now I suspect negative feelings you apparently have towards me, but whatever.

If you want it changed to be private, I'll see if I can make the edit. If I can't, then a mod will have to do it.

Now, when did I do this kind of thread before? I don't remember it. :confused:


Anyway.
Neither forum needs a mod other than the administrators.
Why?
Because the two forums should be under close observation by admin. That's the whole purpose of these two forums.

Then they're doing an inadequate job of it, to be blunt.

Don't tell me these threads are appropriate for Site Feedback. And what about these threads in SF Open Government?

If they'll start doing their job in these two forums, then that shall be the end of this. If they won't, then someone must do the job for them.


These forums barely have any threads do they? Not much moderation required

Looks like someone has taken your comments on board though and tidied up these forums? they look rather slim

Open Government has half a dozen pages, but Site Feedback has lots more.

But the point is that these forums are poorly moderated, regardless of the number of threads actually in these forums.

[invert_nexus]

and now I suspect negative feelings you apparently have towards me

And of the others who voted no as well?
And what of the cowards who won't vote because they don't want to be seen voting no? Some people can't handle confrontations.


Now, when did I do this kind of thread before? I don't remember it.

I'm pretty sure I remember you starting at least one "what do you think of me" threads somewhere down the line. Could be wrong. Don't really care enough to find out.


Then they're doing an inadequate job of it, to be blunt.

Then there is a problem with admin, not moderation.

Any moderator of these forums would become, by definition, a gatekeeper.
Do we really need a gatekeeper?
Don't think so.

I think that most of the threads that do belong here seem to get eventual attention.
Font's been changed.
Timestamp's been changed.
Sure, some things get overlooked, like my thread on bugs and whatnot. But that's not because of the forums being overloaded with extraneous threads. It's because of the admin not wanting to act. I personally pm'd Pseud0 about my thread and specifically the instructions for fixing one of the bugs that annoys the shit out of me.
I got a response from him concerning the matter.
And nothing happened.

Frankly, the thing is that Zox and Pseud0 are leery about doing anything here because the natives will rise up and eat their souls.
And we will, too.
Muaha!!


No.
No necessito el moderator.


Another reason for you not being a moderator?
You're way too goody goody and politically correct.
You're worse than James. You wouldn't be able to restrain yourself.

[Dr Lou Natic]

You have some nerve athelwulf...

[Roman]

confrontation with wulfie?
ahahahaha!

[invert_nexus]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[Roman]

Another reason for you not being a moderator?
You're way too goody goody and politically correct.
You're worse than James. You wouldn't be able to restrain yourself.

Precisely.

[Absane]

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h197/absane/internetez9.jpg

[Athelwulf]

And of the others who voted no as well?
And what of the cowards who won't vote because they don't want to be seen voting no? Some people can't handle confrontations.

I haven't looked at the votes. You were the one who openly accused me of dishonesty, not others. As far as I know and care, others simply think these forums don't need a mod.


Then there is a problem with admin, not moderation.

How do you propose we change that?


Any moderator of these forums would become, by definition, a gatekeeper.
Do we really need a gatekeeper?
Don't think so.

Okay.


Frankly, the thing is that Zox and Pseud0 are leery about doing anything here because the natives will rise up and eat their souls.
And we will, too.
Muaha!!

So we just let that continue?


Another reason for you not being a moderator?
You're way too goody goody and politically correct.
You're worse than James. You wouldn't be able to restrain yourself.

Give me proof that I'm any more goody-goody and politically correct than you or anyone else since I came back. Go ahead, give me proof.

[invert_nexus]

You were the one who openly accused me of dishonesty

I didn't accuse you of dishonesty. I accused you of neediness.
You need the approval of others.
External validation. A truly dangerous demon.


I haven't looked at the votes.

I'm accusing you of dishonesty now, however.


How do you propose we change that?

I don't agree that there is a problem.
Personally, I think that the level of adminstration is about 1000 times higher with Zox and/or Pseud0 than with Porfiry.
Look at the things which have been taken care of.

The fact that there are the occasional threads posted down here which really don't belong is irrelevant to the functioning of these subforums.
However, if you really think that certain threads have been posted here that don't belong, then you can pm one of four people.
James R.
Goofyfish.
Zox.
Pseudo.
I recommend the first. After him would be the latter. The two in the middle probably won't do anything at all, although the fish did show up for a brief period during the changeover. He might still be lurking.


So we just let that continue?

Yes.
Fear of the natives is a good thing.
You don't want Sciforums to end up like the online health community, do you?


Give me proof that I'm any more goody-goody and politically correct than you or anyone else since I came back. Go ahead, give me proof.

Oh, come now. Do you really want me to give you the 'rolleyes'? Would you make me lower myself to the extent of using an emoticon to express myself?

You, Athelwulf, are as PC and pure as the driven snow. You stand up for everything 'right' and deplore everything 'wrong'.
This is a given.

Question: Do you really think that you've 'changed'? Was this a conscious decision to change?

Are you a bad boy now?

[thedevilsreject]

You, Athelwulf, are as PC and pure as the driven snow

i would still rather have that than another xev

[Athelwulf]

Absane, here's a response to your picture (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y65/Athelwulf/jpegArtifacts.jpg). :p

[invert_nexus]

i would still rather have that than another xev

I would rather have neither.

Perhaps a proper poll would be: "Do the Site Feedback and Open Government subforums need a moderator?"

After that, we could open a thread for moderator nominations.

Then we could have a poll to determine which of the nominees would be placed in the post.

Personally, I don't think that the subforums need a moderator.

And, on the next level, I don't believe that Athelwulf would make a good mod. He would be biased in the extreme. Xev might be a bitch, but she is not, for the most part, a nazi.
Ironic, considering that she is a nazi...

Her main failing in her moderator responsibilities is simply that she does not perform her duties at all. She's absent.

So. You're not really making a valid comparison. Are you?
Apples and oranges or anything?

[thedevilsreject]

i agree that a mod in the subforums is unecassary, but hey if he is biased then we could just vote to get rid of him, however at the moment 50% has voted yes so the yes vote is in the majority with the over 50% split.

[invert_nexus]

The poll isn't valid.

[thedevilsreject]

just because its public i dont see why not

[Athelwulf]

I didn't accuse you of dishonesty. I accused you of neediness.
You need the approval of others.
External validation. A truly dangerous demon.

And by accusing me of making this thread out of neediness, you by necessity had to call me dishonest.


I'm accusing you of dishonesty now, however.

Well I guess if you want to be wrong...


I don't agree that there is a problem.
Personally, I think that the level of adminstration is about 1000 times higher with Zox and/or Pseud0 than with Porfiry.
Look at the things which have been taken care of.

All changes to the site itself, as far as I've observed. That and pseud0 bans a few people himself. As far as making sure threads are in the appropriate forums, I haven't seen a whole lot of change.


The fact that there are the occasional threads posted down here which really don't belong is irrelevant to the functioning of these subforums.

I don't think I complained about the functioning of these forums, rather the lack of moderation in these forums.


However, if you really think that certain threads have been posted here that don't belong, then you can pm one of four people.
James R.
Goofyfish.
Zox.
Pseudo.
I recommend the first. After him would be the latter. The two in the middle probably won't do anything at all, although the fish did show up for a brief period during the changeover. He might still be lurking.

Then I'll try that. If nothing satisfactory happens, then I'll continue my pursuit for modship.


Yes.
Fear of the natives is a good thing.
You don't want Sciforums to end up like the online health community, do you?

You're justifying lack of action by assuming that the exact opposite would become true if we increase action by any degree. You know how fucking tired of this fallacy I am?


Oh, come now. Do you really want me to give you the 'rolleyes'? Would you make me lower myself to the extent of using an emoticon to express myself?

You, Athelwulf, are as PC and pure as the driven snow.

What? No proof?


You stand up for everything 'right' and deplore everything 'wrong'.
This is a given.

Standing up for what's right doesn't make you a goody-goody, or PC.


Question: Do you really think that you've 'changed'? Was this a conscious decision to change?

Since I first came to SciForums? Yes. I think either you or Roman even pointed it out when I came back. Something about how I used to be "bubbly".

And it was caused more by life experiences than by conscious decision.


Are you a bad boy now?

False dichotomy. It's not so black and white as this. Give it up unless you have proof.


Perhaps a proper poll would be: "Do the Site Feedback and Open Government subforums need a moderator?"

After that, we could open a thread for moderator nominations.

Then we could have a poll to determine which of the nominees would be placed in the post.

Like I said earlier, I was tired when I made the thread. It was five in the morning. And I wasn't aware of an established procedure to this sort of things. But now that I am, would it please you if I posted another thread with this kind of poll and forgot about this thread?


And, on the next level, I don't believe that Athelwulf would make a good mod. He would be biased in the extreme. Xev might be a bitch, but she is not, for the most part, a nazi.

Give me evidence, right now, suggesting that I might be biased or Nazi with my mod privileges. Otherwise I must dismiss it as hot air at best, or as an unfounded insult at worst.


The poll isn't valid.

I'll post another poll then. Then you can stop making an issue of things. Geez.

[spuriousmonkey]

God dam morons who voted for athelwulf.

Well, thank you all for clearing that up. I can already tell you that I am out of here for good if someone makes him a moderator. We've seen the debacle of electricfetus, and fuck did we learn from this? No.

[invert_nexus]

just because its public i dont see why not

"Perhaps a proper poll would be: "Do the Site Feedback and Open Government subforums need a moderator?"

After that, we could open a thread for moderator nominations.

Then we could have a poll to determine which of the nominees would be placed in the post."

The fact that the poll is public is mere icing on the cake when it comes to proper protocol.



And by accusing me of making this thread out of neediness, you by necessity had to call me dishonest.

No.
Because you didn't state that your intent wasn't neediness. This only arose later. After the accusation.
I believe that you also desire power. So, in this you aren't being dishonest.


I don't think I complained about the functioning of these forums, rather the lack of moderation in these forums.

And I believe I've stated that moderation in these subforums would amount to gatekeeping which is not necessary.
The amount of threads wrongly posted here are not great enough to merit a moderator position for this task.
James can easily deal with it.
If he feels it's too much for him, then he can suggest to the admin that a moderator position might be in order.
Then we can elect nominees (or the moderator can be arbitrarily chosen which is the most recent method of mod instillation.)


You're justifying lack of action by assuming that the exact opposite would become true if we increase action by any degree.

I believe, from my knowledge of your character, that you would increase action by more than a moderate degree. You couldn't help yourself. It's part of your PC nature.
Am I wrong? Maybe. But this is my opinion on the matter and one which will not be lightly tossed aside.

I repeat. These subforums do not need a moderator.
Period.


You know how fucking tired of this fallacy I am?

Ooooh.
You are a bad boy.
Wanna go out with me, stud?


If nothing satisfactory happens, then I'll continue my pursuit for modship.

Why not start with pursing the question of whether a mod position is called for before reaching for the brass ring yourself?


What? No proof?

Ok. You asked for it.

:rolleyes:


Standing up for what's right doesn't make you a goody-goody, or PC.

It does when it's only what is 'right' and you don't understand that there are quotations around the word.

No better than a christian, really.


Since I first came to SciForums? Yes. I think either you or Roman even pointed it out when I came back. Something about how I used to be "bubbly".


What does 'bubbly' have to do with political correctness?

Also, you might recall that I mentioned that I believed it was a cloak.
Proof of this is that you feel the need to point to 'how you've changed'.

Reminds me of Saddam in the South Park movie: "Look at me! I'm changing!"


False dichotomy. It's not so black and white as this. Give it up unless you have proof.

He's bad. He's bad. You know it. You know it.

Now spit.


Like I said earlier, I was tired when I made the thread.

So, you were tired and you made the conscious decision to click the check box which makes it a public poll.
Hmm.
Ok.


And I wasn't aware of an established procedure to this sort of things.

Oh, bullshit.
How can one so politically correct as yourself be unaware of the confidentiality of the ballot?


But now that I am, would it please you if I posted another thread with this kind of poll and forgot about this thread?

No.
Because the question on whether a mod position is called for at all has not been settled.


Give me evidence, right now, suggesting that I might be biased or Nazi with my mod privileges. Otherwise I must dismiss it as hot air at best, or as an unfounded insult at worst.

Or perhaps you could realize that some things require no proof.
Such as personal opinion.
Stop trying to be all scientific and shit.
Bad boy.


Then you can stop making an issue of things.

Yeah.
Right.

[Roman]

Give me evidence, right now, suggesting that I might be biased or Nazi with my mod privileges. Otherwise I must dismiss it as hot air at best, or as an unfounded insult at worst.

You're a democrat.

[leopold]

the question i have is did wulfie take and pass stryders stringent "do you have what it takes to be a mod" test?

[Fafnir665]

Well, the real point is made by invert... The poll really is not valid. Profiry has no reason to honer the results, and most likely won't. Maybe if there is sufficient interest in having a mod appointed for said forums, he will do so. In that case the mod will be appointed either in a classic nom/vote, or just placed at his discretion.....

( HINT: Start brown nosing porf =P )

[Dr Lou Natic]

i agree that a mod in the subforums is unecassary, but hey if he is biased then we could just vote to get rid of him,
Is that a joke?
No you can't get rid of them once they're there, we know this now, and oh how quickly they turn into total pricks.
Which isn't inherently bad, but being a prick has to suit the person, and they need to be a prick at the right times to the right people.
When athelwulf get's nasty it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
He's a bad prick. People can be good at being a prick. He's bad at it.
He might actally be the MOST obnoxious prick on sciforums, he's a cunty prick, he turns into this little bitchy cunt and you can almost hear the finger-click-triangles side to side head shifting as he makes his sassy little attacks. How annoying for someone like that to have power over us, I can't think of anything worse, I would actually have to leave.
And what spurs him into these sassy attacks isn't stupidity or some other objectively intolerable discrepency, it's left vs right bullshit, "neo-cons and republicans" get him all worked up into his hissy fits.
We really don't need another one of those. I can see now how bad it would be. Just like I could see how bad tiassa was going to be, and he was bad for a while there, but luckily never got into full swing.
Someone mentioned "rather having a pc douche than another xev", no way, xev was actually a great moderator.
She punished ignorance and stupidity, and was willing to hear out any mass of c and f and n words if there was a point to them being strung together.
That's what you need, a stoic disciplinarian, who has no significant ties to the left or the right and isn't too passionate or defensive about anything.
Someone who can't have their judgement's altered by their personal state of being personally offended by broad non-personal material.

Athelwulf could be held up as an example of all the traits a mod definately should NEVER have.

Anyone who voted yes on this is a fuckhole and on my list of motherfuckers.
I'm going to read the names now and write them down on my arm to remember.

[S.A.M.]

Are all the anal retentive anti-Athelwulf brigade wannabe mods?

The testosterone wars. So predictable.:D

[Absane]

The testosterone wars. So predictable.:D

Mine died out weeks ago.

[spuriousmonkey]

Well, the real point is made by invert... The poll really is not valid. Profiry has no reason to honer the results, and most likely won't. Maybe if there is sufficient interest in having a mod appointed for said forums, he will do so. In that case the mod will be appointed either in a classic nom/vote, or just placed at his discretion.....

( HINT: Start brown nosing porf =P )

Welcome to modern times. Porf is out, Zox/Pseudo is in.

You have brown nosed the wrong person.

Are all the anal retentive anti-Athelwulf brigade wannabe mods?

The testosterone wars. So predictable.:D

He is merely not suited for being a mod. We have seen his kind before. Dr Lou summed it up nicely. I just don't understand why people don't listen more to Dr Lou. basically everything he says should be written down in a holy book of truth, except when he disagrees with me. Those sentences need to be crossed out.

[John99]

So make him a provisional mod, what is the big deal?

[spuriousmonkey]

Thank you for this insight into your personality.

[leopold]

Mine died out weeks ago.
mine died out YEARS ago.


You have brown nosed the wrong person.
aw man, you spoke too soon. i was looking forward to that shit smelling wulfie on his knees, looking up meekly and saying "well?".

Thank you for this insight into your personality.
and where did you get those ears?

[spuriousmonkey]

Jesus gave them to me so I could hear better.

[The Devil Inside]

do NOT mock my lord and savior.

[spuriousmonkey]

You are on my jesus list now buddy. Welke lambik stemt nu op een tiener?

[The Devil Inside]

jawel, athelwulf, is mijn vriend, en zoooooo...ik stemt voor ja. dan, ik kan alles doen! hurraaaay!

[spuriousmonkey]

jawel, athelwulf, is mijn vriend, en zoooooo...ik stemt voor ja. dan, ik kan alles doen! hurraaaay!

heb je ook gelezen dat ik deze forum voor gezien houd wanneer hij gekozen wordt?

[mouse]

heb je ook gelezen dat ik deze forum voor gezien houd wanneer hij gekozen wordt?
Is het niet dit forum?

[mouse]

En misschien ook: als hij gekozen wordt.

[phonetic]

Voor de pannenkoeken, bitches!

[thedevilsreject]

Ik neuk je moeder, mwhaha

[phonetic]

Ik neuk je vader.

[thedevilsreject]

Moederneuker

Je moet mij niet dissen

[mouse]

And this concludes our lesson in colloquial Dutch...

[phonetic]

:)
.
.

[spuriousmonkey]

I ben al 7 jaar uit kut nederland weg. Vergeef me die paar kutfoutjes.

[mouse]

Nederland. Sorry. Grapje.

[mouse]

On a more serious note: are you ever going to return to the Netherlands?

[spuriousmonkey]

I read recently that more people are emigrating from than immigrating to the Netherlands.

[mouse]

Yes, I've read that too somewhere. Canada, Australia, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Finland seem to be suitable countries for emigration. It's tempting to see if I'll have more opportunities there. On the other hand, things aren't that bad here either, so why all the bother.

[leopold]

do NOT mock my lord and savior.
those ears of his are just begging to be grabbed. heh, heh, heh.

[riku_124]

if athelwulf needs to be nominated, then ill nominate him!
is that ok?

[spuriousmonkey]

if athelwulf needs to be nominated, then ill nominate him!
is that ok?

You don't need to nominate him. He already did that himself.

[Zephyr]

Ek dink Nederlandse kaas is die beste. Maar wat weet ek?

[phonetic]

The french.

[Bells]

Ath, while I like you very much as a poster, you would not make a good moderator.

You, like me, are too biased in your views and lets face it, the forums you wish to moderate don't really need a moderator for them. Sorry Ath, but I'll have to vote no on this one.:(

[phonetic]

I don't mind, either way.

I'll say yes to balance it out.

12 vs 12

[Syzygys]

Voted I opt out because I am trying to make it a 3 way tie...

[spuriousmonkey]

You can vote here if you think there are members more suitable than athelwulf for moderatorship, or not, or if you don't know/don't care.

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=60537

[redarmy11]

I voted no, out of boredom and misanthropy.

Being a moderator on some stupid forum on the internet is a stupid thing to do with your time anyway but wanting to moderate forums that not only don't need moderating but actually need not moderating is even stupider.

And making your, frankly, pathetic secret desires public is the stupidest thing of all. I mean, you're just asking for it really. It's not like I had a great deal of respect for you before - I had none. But... I didn't have any antipathy either.

And I still haven't because, ultimately, I just don't care.

So I voted no because I couldn't think what else to do.