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Banshee
02-06-02, 05:51 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1768000/1768109.stm
"The whole model of the origins of civilization with which archaeologists have been working will have to be remade from scratch..."
Another Submerged City
21-Jan-2002
The remains of a huge underwater city off the western coast of India may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history. It's believed that the area was submerged when ice caps melted at the end of the last ice age, 9-10,000 years ago.
Marine scientists say archaeological remains disco vered 120 feet underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old. The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.
The site was discovered by chance last year by oceanographers from India's National Institute of Ocean Technology who were conducting a survey of pollution. Using sidescan sonar - which sends a beam of sound waves down to the bottom of the ocean - they identified huge geometrical structures at a depth of 120 feet. Debris recovered from the site - including construction material, pottery, sections of walls, beads, sculpture and human bones and teeth - has been carbon dated and found to be nearly 9,500 years old.
However, archaeologist Justin Morris from the British Museum says more work will need to be done before the site can be said to belong to a 9,000 year old civilization, since there can be errors in carbon dating. "Culturally speaking, in that part of the world there were no civilizations prior to about 2,500 BC. What's happening before then mainly consisted of small, village settlements," he says.
Strong tides make investigations in the Cambay difficult. Marine scientists led by the Madras-based National Institute of Ocean Technology are solving this problem by taking acoustic images off the sea-bed and using dredging equipment to extract artifacts.
The Indian Minister for Ocean Technology, Murli Manohar Joshi, says the images indicate symmetrical man-made structures and also a paleo-river, with banks containing artifacts, such as pottery. Carbon dating on a block of wood brought up from the depths suggests it dates back to 7,595 BC. "We have to find out what happened then ... where and how this civilisation vanished," he says.
The city is believed to be even older than the ancient Harappan civilisation, which dates back around 4,000 years and is the oldest on the subcontinent. Although Palaeolithic sites dating back around 20,000 years have been found on the coast of India's western state of Gujarat before, this is the first time that man-made structures as old as 9,500 years have been found deep beneath the ocean surface.
Marine archaeologists have used a technique known as sub- bottom profiling to show that the buildings were built on enormous foundations. Graham Hancock, author of "Fingerprints of the Gods," says, "The [oceanographers] found that they were dealing with two large blocks of apparently man made structures. Cities on this scale are not known in the archaeological record until roughly 4,500 years ago when the first big cities begin to appear in Mesopotamia. Nothing else on the scale of the underwater cities of Cambay is known. The first cities of the historical period are as far away from these cities as we are today from the pyramids of Egypt."
Hancock feels this discovery could have a major influence on our view of the ancient world. "There's a huge chronological problem in this discovery. It means that the whole model of the origins of civilization with which archaeologists have been working will have to be remade from scratch," he says.
Pollux V
02-06-02, 07:30 AM
It's amazing how we know nothing about what's unda da sea!
Nor up in da sky, or under da gound;)
AMAZING, YEEEEEEEEEEEEES, I HAVE WAITED FOR THIS!!!!
Is one of the cities of ATLANTIS (http://www.atlan.org/articles/atlantis2/) finally found???????!!!!!!!!!
Thanx for these news Banshee
Banshee
02-07-02, 12:51 AM
Atlantis...or Lemuria...perhaps, maybe...;)
It is possible, most of the older civilisation perished under the sea due to polar ice melting. If they find gold ornaments, that will be interesting since it is stable for thousands of years.
Finally, the vedas will have a real link to the people of the time.
TruthSeeker
02-17-02, 12:02 AM
Avatar,
Thaks for the link! :)
For everyone:
Is this a sign of the changes Earth will soon pass through? We are starting to rediscover our History...
Where was Atlantis? And Lemuria? And the connection with ET's and "Gods"? :p
The New Testament talks about "clouds" coming in the "end of the world". Clouds... UFO's... Vedas... 2012... Are those things a sign that the "Kingdom of God" is coming? Discussion opened... :)
Blessings,
Nelson
Do we really need gods? (~kingdom of god~) I think tht we must organise our lives ourselves, not by some extraterrestrial (sp) creatures. Sure, find truth about ancient gods and our past- it's been my dream since 14. But I'm not so happy of the possibility tht our "gods" may return.
Congrats
02-17-02, 10:17 AM
;) That may say something for global warming- either it happens frequently and by many different means, or that it's happenieng now and it may have nothing to do with greenhouse gasses. However, it might also say that what happened to that city was not global warming; merely a freak accident, and what we have today is global warming.
In other words, what it says is relatively nothing. That's what makes finding these things so extraoridinary- they say nothing in terms of true, concrete, scientific discoveries (at least at first), yet are a true open door for what they may mean. History is always drawn from inferrence, and we always infer from what we have. We can never have it all, so all accounts of history are inhherantly incomplete.
History is always drawn from inferrence, and we always infer from what we have. We can never have it all, so all accounts of history are inhherantly incomplete.
How true! That is why, history is rewritten, when new information is uncovered. I have always said, the ancient civilizations are linked to India and China. I am sure they had Vimanas at the time. That could be hot air ballons or derigibles. One thing interesting is that, it all fits. That is some of the anceint sanskrit texts were passed down via spoken words until it was written. If you had to run for your life due to flood to the highlands, you may not have time to gather pencil and paper. Yet, you retain the knowledge of your experience. You pass that to your children and they to theirs. You start a new world.
Congrats
02-17-02, 11:22 AM
;) I posted this in the philosophy forum, but it's probably more relevant here, for some reason:
Sounds like a cliche, but I'd say "you can never disprove anything".
So what we belive is always what's true. Truth is merely a human-created basis for comparing facts, finding efficincy. Much like a least commmon denominator would be used in solving a math problem.
We have certain criterion that we use to determine what is more true than others; yet we are always disproven. Every time a whole set of complete understanding exists on one level, it is obsolete on another. WE very rarely put US in that situation; that WE will most likely be disproven by the descendants of OURSELVES. I would like to think about that- if WE are almost always currently wrong, when could WE reach a level where WE can say that the realm of universal simplcity is now over; done.
Unless we have reached a level where the propensity of our desire and the range of OUR capability coincide with the amount of knowlegde yet to be had, we are wrong.
...And isn't it funny, how Truth is merely a summation of our best effort to describe ourselves at a given time, while that summation is, basically, flawed in just existing. Due to time, no less. It's what makes us human, friends. We are no closer to total existence than we were at the time of Jesus. We are higher, yes. However, to get closer, we have to transcend height and go in. We can always be 'out-heighted'. Lets' look at the big picture.
If time is going on, chances are that we will have disproved ourselves more in the next 200 years than in the past 200. there are no equations, no complicated idealistic realisations- only time. Time, or the certainty that we will discover more in the future, proves us interminably wrong today. How chintzy, how ironic, yet how beautiful. Right
TruthSeeker
02-17-02, 12:46 PM
Avatar,
Those things that I said are written in ALL the Religions of the world. The dates are the hardest thing to look at. Many Religions have their own calendar. What is impressive is that all the dates fall into about 2012! And all their descriptions are the same! So is better get used with it because something will happen! Or they all got drunk and imagined the same thing... :p
Blessings,
Nelson
We discussed this elsewhere. I am getting ready for 2012 with food , guns and ammo - just in case, the world plunges into the darkness. I wish they hurry up the fuel cell that one can buy to generate power. I recommend someone start a topic "getting prepared for 2012". I am not sure what subject it will be under though.
It is a serious threat and risk analysis and management is the way to go.
TruthSeeker
02-17-02, 05:56 PM
kmguru,
You can't protect yourself like this. The only way to protect yourself is by Faith and Love. You have to listen your inner-voice. What your inner-voice is telling you? Stop thinking for 15 minutes. Relax. Listen to your Silence. It's strange, but even the Silence has its meaning. This is your Real-Self speaking with you. Your Real-Self is like God. Is powerfull, plenty with lovingkindness... your Real-Self is perfect. All your imperfections are in your ego. So, Silence your ego and listen to You. Listen to your Heart. With practice, your Real-Self will even speak with you when you don't expect.
Only the awakened ones will survive. Listen to your Real-Self is everything you need to do to wake up.
Blessings and Good Luck,
Nelson
good night............................................. .......
Banshee
02-17-02, 06:10 PM
*Where was Atlantis? And Lemuria?*
Some dates refer to off the coast near Mexico. Other dates refer to off the coast near India. The last seems more logical to me, for the knowledge which is left behind and found, speaks of India as the country with the richest Mystical background, so to say.
There is a lot in the culture of India which refers to extraterestrial interferences in the past. Do a search on the internet if you want to find all the information and old 'stories' of India.
Am to lazy to look it up right now.:)
The Mayan calender speaks of the year 2012, the calender we are used to, speaks of the year 2013. This is because the Mayans based their calender on the Moon. The calender we use is based on the Sun's rotation...
If Mayans based on lunar calender then 2012 should be 676032 days that is equivalent to 1852 years on a 365 day per year basis and not 2013.
As I have posted before, there is a story in India about people colonizing this planet from the binary star system of Mizar (part of the big dipper). 10,000 years is a long time for stuff to happen there including war and antimatter bombs. If there are any remnants of the colonization elsewhere, they would be just beginning to send probes out. We will soon know the truth. And truth may be stranger than fiction....
Congratulations,
"you can never disprove anything"
One can easily disprove your generality by pointing out that Science is atypically capacious in its successes because it, amongst all other pursuits of learnedness, disproves things at every step.
Truthseeker,
What your inner-voice is telling you? Stop thinking...
You mean, everyone should get a lobotomy and leave their lives to their lower brain functions which evolution itself tells us are mostly inadequate to the task of us being fully human?
All your imperfections are in your ego. So, Silence your ego and listen to You.
Ego is self. If you silence self who is left to listen?
Banshee,
The calender we use is based on the Sun's rotation...
No, it is based on Earth's revolution around the sun and human preference.
What else have you gotten wrong? Oh, yeah -- this Atlantis stuff is better suited to the Psuedo-science forum.
Banshee
02-17-02, 10:08 PM
I did some research of the Mayans and their calendar. I was wrong in the former post...
The Mayan timekeeping system is so radically different than the European Gregorian calendar that they cannot be compared as systems but can only be correlated. This means that we can "calibrate" the years of the two calendars with a key astronomical event that was recorded on both calendars. Until 1991 no single astronomical event had been recorded on both calendars that could be compared, so the dates for the calendars were a matter of scholarly theory.
The calendar was destroyed in 1520 soon after the European arrived in Mexico in order to "drive the devil" out of the people and was no longer used, so the opportunity to find a correlation date disappeared in 1520. The July 11, 1991 solar eclipse was the first date that had been preserved in a prophecy since Eric Thompson proved that the Maya knew astronomy in the 1950's. Prior to Eric Thompson's work, Euro-American scholars commonly taught that Native Americans did not know astronomy.
Since the date of the July 11, 1991 solar eclipse was accurately recorded by the Maya centuries ago, it is the first date that can be used to correlate the Mayan long count and the Gregorian calendar. The Mayan long count is a finite count with a discrete beginning and ending, and the main problem has been identifying what year the beginning correlates with the Gregorian calendar. It is not believed that John Major Jenkins addressed the accuracy of the July 11, 1991 solar eclipse in his theory about the Mayan long count beginning in 3114BCE due to the astronomical dating method. Again, the differences between the astronomical and historical dates are a problem inherent in the Euro-American count rather than the Mayan count.
Enthusiasts for the 3114BCE beginning of the Mayan long count never seem to reconcile the accuracy of the July 11, 1991 solar eclipse prediction. The Maya's prediction of the accurate date for this eclipse was a stunning accomplishment considering that European astronomers did not know that the solar year was really about 365.25 days in 1520 when they arrived in Mexico. There's a point when the obvious facts must be reconciled with theory, and the July 11, 1991 solar eclipse is one of those points.
MAYAN COUNT RECORDS MILLIONS OF YEARS
Dates millions of years in the past are recorded in Mesoamerica, which means that the long count is just the most recent cycle. That the Mayan long count began in 3113BC indicates that this was the first year of the most recent count, and 3114BC would be the last year of the previous count.
Thus, 3114BCE was the end of a cycle and 3113BCE was the beginning of a new cycle. December 22, 2011 could be considered the commencement of the last phase of the Mayan long count with a December 21, 2012 completion. As the codex used in Guatemala indicates how cycles were observed by the Maya. This codex instructed that a count begin with the July 11, 1991 solar eclipse before observing the first full moon after the first anniversary of the eclipse.
Euro-American concepts of time and astronomy cannot be used to interpret the Native American timekeeping system. The two systems represent radically different viewpoints of perception, or paradigms.
Has nothing to do with the subject, just some information in which I was wrong in the first place...;)
TruthSeeker
02-17-02, 10:35 PM
kmguru,
As I have posted before, there is a story in India about people colonizing this planet from the binary star system of Mizar (part of the big dipper). 10,000 years is a long time for stuff to happen there including war and antimatter bombs. If there are any remnants of the colonization elsewhere, they would be just beginning to send probes out. We will soon know the truth. And truth may be stranger than fiction....
Very Advanced Civilizations can't cope with war. If they are really advanced enough even to travel faster than light, using other dimensions, they surely don't have wars for a looooong time. Otherwise they would have exploded themselves into pieces in OUR stage of evolution... and we know that they passed through our stage of evolution because they arrived here at Earth.
The Truth is allways stranger than fiction... can you imagine atoms? The Truth is pretty weird... :p and you don't know what I thing about it... than you would see that is REALLY weird!!! :p
Mr. G,
You mean, everyone should get a lobotomy and leave their lives to their lower brain functions which evolution itself tells us are mostly inadequate to the task of us being fully human?
Sort of... :D
No... it's not what I meant. I meant that we should sometimes stop our lifes, relax, be in communion with Nature... and know ourselves better by shuting our brain of sometimes... just for some minutes...
Ego is self. If you silence self who is left to listen?
Answer: You... :D
What else have you gotten wrong? Oh, yeah -- this Atlantis stuff is better suited to the Psuedo-science forum.
I will answer this one for Banshee...
Why do you think you have more right to judge people than anyone else? Who do you think you are? We are all sometimes wrong, sometimes right. We all have 50% to get right and 50% to get wrong...
Accept your imperfections... and find peace in Yourself... ;)
Blessings,
Nelson
Why do you think you have more right to judge people than anyone else?
I do not think I have more right to judge than anyone else. I think I have as much right to judge as anyone else. As I think anyone has the right to judge as much as me.
I support judging.
I abhore the silly notion that judging is not the universal right of everyone except those entities deemed specially suited to judge the rest of us without first having been democratically elected to the task.
Who do you think you are?
I am my own person. I do not require the permission of others to be what I choose.
Who are you? Judge? ;)
"Ego is self. If you silence self who is left to listen? Answer: You...
I am unduly flattered that you think I would care to listen in. ;) :p
TruthSeeker
02-17-02, 11:03 PM
Mr. G,
I abhore the silly notion that judging is not the universal right of everyone except those entities deemed specially suited to judge the rest of us without first having been democratically elected to the task.
I completely agree with you. :)
Who are you? Judge?
Answer:
I am my own person. I do not require the permission of others to be what I choose.
Take care ;)
Many Blessings,
Nelson
Normally, I would expect my words to be thrown back at me as if they were original thoughts only if I was yelling them across the Grand Canyon.
The Grand Canyon has no brain.
What's your excuse? :p
Going back to the topic, just because technology advances to FTL drive or dimensional drive or whatever does not mean people would have evolved that fast. At our present rate, and comparing the teaching of Jesus some 2000 years ago, if you were born in 2 AD, you would think, 2000 years in to the future, there would be no war, oppression etc.
Unless there is a worldwide genetic manipulation, our specis would not change much for the next 2000 years. There is nothing in our gene that will prevent war, murder or mayham. We control it via education and nurture. Take both away, we are back to the savage beast. So, just technology advancement does not co-relate with anti-war.
TruthSeeker
02-18-02, 03:09 PM
Mr. G,
I used your own words to explain myself just because you can't disagree with them unless you disagree with yourself... :D
And it's funny to... :p
Kmguru,
"Going back to the topic, just because technology advances to FTL drive or dimensional drive or whatever does not mean people would have evolved that fast. At our present rate, and comparing the teaching of Jesus some 2000 years ago, if you were born in 2 AD, you would think, 2000 years in to the future, there would be no war, oppression etc."
As I was saying... if a civilization can survive our present stage of evolution without destroy itself, it won't have more wars and this kind of stuff because it would become CIVILIZED. We are not civilized yet... unless this word means the opposite I think it means...
Blessings,
Nelson
...I used your own words to explain myself just because you can't disagree with them...
True. Except that every so often in retrospect I wonder why I said certain things -- a form of disagreement with myself. ;)
It is at such times that I must learn to be more mechanical and less spontaneous (precisely what the world would like but won't likely get) :) .
So, anyway...
At the end of the last ice age, some 11,000 years ago, the ocean surface was approximately 300 feet lower than it is today.
It should come as no surprise to anyone that once high-and-dry encampments, villages and cities -- in the ancient, diminuative sense of city -- should from time to time be found as we explore the now submerged continental shelfs of the various continents.
And it remains no surprise that some amongst us will see them as certain proof that fables really can evolve beyond their literary genre.
:rolleyes:
:)
300 feet can expose a large body of land mass. Since the rich people live on the coast there should be all kinds of jewels and stuff to be found. May be we shall know what the life is like then....
Originally posted by Avatar
good night............................................. .......
huhauaahahahhaahhahahahahhahahahhaahahahhaaaaaaaaa aa...
:p:p:p:p:D:D
cool thing after a looong time...
bye!
The Metatron
04-04-02, 01:06 PM
Mabey its the remnents of the Rama empire and inside we will find the remains of a Vimana or some other lost technology?
I wish...Vimanas will not be sitting around to be covered by water....They and their pilots will be heading out to higher grounds. But if they find some advanced objects...that would be the day...
I said Krishna's Dwarka because this was the city established by Lord Krishna himself and it went under immense floods.Rumors say that Krishna knew about the floods and therefore prepared a big a boat which was shown path by a Vimana towards a safer destination.the Vimana was Bought by Krishna himself for the direction getting...
bye!
The Metatron
04-04-02, 02:51 PM
I read that they could not only fly but could travel submerged in water. If this is true mabey one was left behind in the mass exodus of the city and since they were waterproof it is still perserved or enough of it left to be studied. Most liklely not but its fun to speculate
Original post said: <b>"The remains of a huge underwater city off the western coast of India may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history. It's believed that the area was submerged when ice caps melted at the end of the last ice age, 9-10,000 years ago.</b>
I love this subject for two reasons: the first one is because the original post by banshee was intended to give a support to the present global warming folly of "future sea levels rising". The second reason is because I like very much everything about Vimanas and ancient history of India, (flying "chariots of fire" shooting each orher with lasers and destroying islands and cities on the sky". Although I am supposed to be a scientific minded person, I will leave room for credibility to these mythological stories, as I am a firm believer there were ancient civilizations that have disappeared thousand and even millions of years ago.
Let's see the sea livel rise first: for a sea level rise of catastrophic proportions, we must have water added to the oceans. Where does the water come from? We must understand that 97 percent of the water on Earth is in the oceans already. If one wishes to raise the sea levels, a termendous amount of water must be found and put into the ocean. It is generally <b>assumed</b> that the largest potential source of water to raise the sea levels is glacial ice. Most climate models today, however, <b>foresee increased precipitation</b>. If that were to happen, there is a good chance that sea levels <B>will drop</b> as much as 2 feet (60 cm) in the next century.
The melting of North Pole ice will not affect the sea levels, as it is <B>floating ice</B> (if you press me for the technical reasons I will post them here; I don't do it now for the sake of brevity). But, fear not: after analyzing 27,000 temperatrue readings, Professor Johnatan Kahl (look for him in Google.com) found a statistical significante ternd in <b>the opposite direction</B> -- today the Arctic is collong. Both the Greenland and Antarctica ice caps have been growing in recent years. The top of an ice shelf is cold (about -50°C) and dry. Even the if the air temperature rose, say 6°C to 7°C, the ice cap would still have a temperature of -46°C, and the Ice Sheet would remain solid. The air temperature above the ice sheet must reach 1°C before ice would begin to melt, and it would take more than 5,000 years to melt the ice cap --if global warming could cause the temperature to rise that much (the rise predicted is only 2 to 4°C, so we have about 43°C to go before reaching the 1°C, the ice melting point).
It is generally accepted that the rise of sea levels in postglacial time requird melting of ice a rate of 5,000 km3 for 7,000 years. (D.Y. Donovan and E.J.W. Jones, 1979, Royal Society London, Vol. 136, No. 187, p. 192). So the sea level rise is a slow matter, and couldn't be the cause for the covering of the ancient submerged ruins in India. The cause most probably be attribute to seismic events, sinking of the area --as it has happened before, ie: Atlantis or Lemuria, etc).
But there is another subject: In a graph by F.P. Sheperd and J.R. Curray, 1967, <i>"Carbon-14 Determination of Sea Level Changes in Stable Areas"</i>, Progress in Oceanography, Vol. 4, (Oxford: Pergamon), p. 283, (see graph below) we can see that, at the supposed time of this lost city (8,000 to 10,000 years ago) the sea levels were about 10 meters lower than today, rising to about -2m by the year 5,000 before today. As these ruins are 120 feet under the water (that is 40 meters below the surface), the city should be much older (from about 16,000 years to 25,000 years old). Why?
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Because the study shows that the sea levels have been pretty much steady along the history of the Earth planet for the last 150,000 years, but for two occasions: the sea levels began decreasing from 110,000 years ago from 0 level to about minus 120 meters (360 feet) by 54,000 years ago. Then the sea level began to rise again up to about minus10 meters by 30,000 years before now. Then again, the levels went down to another minus 110 meters by 20,000 years ago. Finally, the sea level started to grow for the last time until present levels --<b>zero level</b>. The graph show that levels today are the same as those of 180,000 years ago, and have never been higher than today.
Where did all that water go when the levels went down to minus 120 meters? If we take a look at graphs of the geological past, we could see that there was an interglacial (warm) period by 200,000 years ago (roughly from 205,000 to 180,000 years ago, when temperaturs rose to 16°C. From there, they went down by 6°C to 7°C until another interglacial came by about 135,000 years ago (the Eemian) that lasted for about 10,000 years. It cooled again 7°C until about 12,000 years ago, when the present Holocene interglacial began to raise temperatures. We crossed the barrier of zero change by 10,500 years ago. According to Milantkovitch, we are due 500 years into a New Ice Age.
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Why the sea levels (right after the Eemian) went down, up, and down again during a very cold time: 6 to 7°C lower than today? What caused the lowering and growing of sea levels during a cold period? Has anyone any explanation for this? Although I would love it, no extraterrestrials interventions, please.
Excuse me, but I will throw in a new piece of this puzzle: during the last 100 million years, global mean surface temperatures and CO2 concentrations have been systematically decreasing. 50 million years ago, CO2 levels (2,000 ppm) were almost 6 times higher than today, but mean global temperatures <B>were barely 1,5°C higher than today.</B> Why it did not happen an out of control Greenhouse effect and boiling temperatures? During the Ordovician period, when CO2 contents were <b>16 times higher</b> than today, the temperatures in the tropics didn't increase, and in the higher latitudes there was happening the Gondwanan glaciation! (C.J. Yapp and H. Poths, 1992, Nature, vol, 355, pp. 342-344).
I guess you have a lot to analyze and think. Go to work. But the lost city of India was not covered by raising sea levels because the dates don't fit. But now that I gave it a second thought, pehaps I could be mistaken. Who knows...
Banshee
04-05-02, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Edufer
*I love this subject for two reasons: the first one is because the original post by banshee was intended to give a support to the present global warming folly of "future sea levels rising".*
:bugeye: May I ask how you come to the idea that the original post has anything to do with Global Warming?:bugeye:
Time to take off your eye-shields Edufer. This subject has nothing, repeat: NOTHING! to do with Global Warming and/or your so called "future sea levels rising".
I advice you to re-read the article and get rid of your tunnel vision...
(apologies to the other posters here for being off-topic, I'll be back some later)
I wonder sea level rise and fall could be attributed to major meteor impact with a few million megaton energy release if it impacted on water....just a thought...
Oh! I love Indian mythology too. One says we came from the binary star system called Mizar (part of big dipper, I think). Somebody needs to focus a listening device to see if anybody still there....
Kmguru, the impact of meteors could be an appealing idea that deserves more research. Elaborating on that, I think the effects on sea levels could be enormous (huge tsunamis, etc), but those effects would be on a much shorter time scale, perhaps from months to some years, maybe not more than 10. The rise of the sea levels recorded in the studies I mentioned, lasted for many thousands of years.
Moreover, asteroids big enough to make such big effects (lowering sea levels globally by 120 meters must have left a signal clarly visible (as the one that impacted on the Gulf of Mexico, blamed for dinosaurs extinction), as the oceans floor has been mapped and there seems to be no signs of such gigantic impacts. But, as always, there are many things we don't know yet, so the idea is still valid.
I'll try to post some more on Indian mythology, the Vedas, Vimanas, the heroes and villains, and their cities suspended in the sky (in orbit?). It fascinates me how these things have been kept on record for more than 8,000 years!
By the way, when I "previwed" my post, the graphs came on screen perfectly, but right now, they don't show anymore, so I thinl there must be a problem with the "freeserver.com" server. In any case, I am giving the links to the graphs so could see them directly (in case you couldn't see them)
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Thanks you for not letting me show graphs to my friends!
I call this "private bureaucracy".
No, I can not see the picture file. May be the solution is to first delete from your earlier post (edit) and then copy from the location and upload to sciforums or drop it in a free webpage service or your own homepage and then link them...
120 feet water volume is a lot of water - if made into ice and stacked in polar region, the height may be astronomical. If that volume is spread on the entire landmass, it will rise up to say 360 feet. I am not sure about that idea...
120 feet water volume is a lot of water
Yeah! But much more water are 120 meters (660 feet), the figure given by the studies.
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Originally posted by Edufer
Yeah! But much more water are 120 meters (660 feet), the figure given by the studies.
I mixed up the feet with meters. Sorry for the confusion. No wonder Mars lander got mixed up with the same unit.
If we lost 660 feet of water and put them on land in ice form - that is about 2200 feet of ice on the enitre continents for over 10,000 years. Is that possible?
Originally posted by Avatar
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It should work now. It lacked the "dot" between "8k" and "com":
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Originally posted by kmguru
If we lost 660 feet of water and put them on land in ice form - that is about 2200 feet of ice on the enitre continents for over 10,000 years. Is that possible?
Yes, consider the ice sheet covering Canada and mosrts of the USA and Europe during the last ice age was about 2.000 meters high (about 6,000 feet). That's also the thickness of the ice sheets covering Antarctica today.
Another matter that reamins as a miystery: Where did all that water come when Noha's Flood happend. It did come down as rains, so...
But the chronicles of the Big Flood might be related to local flooding in the region of Casmehre and India (ot the Near East region). although we consider these chronicles (in the Mahabharata and other indian mythological chronicles, the Bible, etc.) as fables or legends, the legends always have a truthful basis. That permitted H. Shcliemann to discover the ruins of Troy back in the 1800s, in a place all other archaeologists said it couldn't be, because Troy was a fable by Homer).
That ought to teach us a lesson about legends. (Gilgamesh, the four Vedas (Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Atharva Veda, and Yadjur Veda), the Ramayana, and the Avesta of the parsi people in Persia. But, of course, the archaeological establishment is still shunning at these chronicles... because they speak about "flying machines", "cities in orbit", "death rays", atomic power", etc., "gods from outer space", "sons of the gods", "giants" and all sort of fantastic things.
Here are some items to consider:
In the year 2880, there will be a major asteroid heading our way. Which means another change in earth climate. If we can not divert the rock, then ice age perhaps...
Next, if sometime far past, they did have flying machines capable of interstellar drive, then they may have gone to other planets. If the technology was at our level, then they perished with the iceage - if that lasts a few thousand years.
Even the NORAD bunker with people in it will not last a thousand years. That is why, a self-sustaining space station may be a good idea to survive. Besides, the ice age may not happen over night, so who ever left in certain areas might migrate to oasis areas and hunker down there - like small islands where temperature can return to above freezing in equatorial areas. May be the Indians ran to Sri Lanka and Indonesia, Malyasia area.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1923000/1923794.stm
That is in another location apart from the north-west coast. I have always maintained that perhaps we had a major civilization before the Ice Age. Now we may be able to prove it. The other part is, a lot of interesting history will start showing up from India and China because of continuous human civilization in that part of the world for many thousand years.
India has three civilizations living side by side. The Aryans, The Dravidians, and the aborigins. Just a speculation is that, before the ice age, the Dravidians had the primary city civilization. Who knows, may be the aboriginals had their time long before the Dravidians - which could put them 40,000 BC.
Very interesting indeed.
Scientists now want to explore the possibility that the city was submerged following the last Ice Age.
tallest
04-23-02, 09:32 AM
Great! yet another reason to reassess our view of the history of civilisation!
Graham Hancock's credibility has take a pounding since his 'Heaven's Mirror'(?) series was screened in the UK and, to be fair, he does have a tendency to come across in an 'I'm right, you're all wrong' kind of way. That said, these anomalies (Cambay, Yonaguni, the pyramids (everywhere), old batteries, medical instruments, vimanas etc etc) are numerous enough to justify a lot of investigation.
Only by teaching our children the full range of what is known (rather than the outdated theories of the start of last century) will enough minds be stimulated and curiosities piqued to enable some significant progress to be made in our development. When I was at school, relativity and quantum theory went unmentioned and evolution was presented as a crackpot theory.
Tell everybody everything, and see what we can come up with.
One world, one day..........
The Internet compresses time....the time required for people to read a new idea and to pass it on...
Hopefully, if everyone starts talking about it all over the planet, serious people will have the incentive to dig what happened for the last 250 million years. It is time to x-engineer Archeology.
Here's something interesting...
Those Triassic age utensils that i talked about will now be under display in Istanbul.
I"ll post the photographs of something very conclusive i have from 4000 B.C.its a man(not exactly,he's strangely garbed) on a space shuttle with a flexible space suit of some kind.
Quatzicoatl and Viracoca are also shown with some kind of a space suit.(GODS OF Maya)
also,
cave paintings in le isaeh France are about 20,000 B.C. of age.they show distinct saucers taking catlle in with arrows pointing towards cattle...20,000 years before Christ.imagine.
descriptions in Ramayana,Mahabharata point towards the Vimana references...etc
there's some connection out there.
thanks for your time.
bye!
The Metatron
04-26-02, 04:50 PM
Zion I agree there is actually physical evidence to prove civilization is older than once thought. That in mind who knows how advanced these civs might have been.
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