Death/Hell/Sleep Paralysis/Dream Sage…

[Fathoms]

Not a single day goes by without my thoughts wandering into the dark murky subject of dying. Well, in an everyday sense its less like thoughts and more like feeling; a feeling of ominous terror and complete vulnerability that swells churns, confuses. It's like clockwork, it usually doesn't get any further than awe mixed with nausea and emptiness. This is the same reaction my mind body has when thinking about a universe where nothing exists. Non-existence is unfathomable… This usually happens at nighttime, bedtime or in the morning, especially during or following an episode of sleep paralysis. Of course, contemplating infinities is an unequivocal mindfuck as well. Really, being conscious for an unbounded eternity is insane. It would drive a person insane. Then of course I can always remind myself that I don't have to think in these terms; especially because I believe God to be neither temporal nor spatial.

Several instances of sleep paralysis this morning in which I 'felt' hell (You have to have experienced SP numerous times to know what I mean by this). In SP a person still in a half dream state so their higher consciousness is not traumatized or disturbed by Sleep Paralysis but rather annoyed and fascinated at the same time. Which is why in a lucid dream this morning I was granted something in which I'd ambiguously requested for in recent days… A dream Sage!

I can only recollect two of the major question/answer conversations in my dream. The Sage wasn't present physically but in my head, we communicated telepathically.

[Keep in mind that in a dream state anything is believable even to a lucid being because they are seemingly not bound in anyway to the physical or literal nature of the waking state…]

<I>I ask him something about my numb senses. I'm near a set of rails wondering why the world isn't more realistic and vivid, (and he inserts a revelation into my cranium) I realize the world is perfectly pristine and real, it is I who need to be more receptive and vivid. The refining of my perceptions is just that. Perception is perception, it is a separate thing all together from the environment in a dreaming or waking state. Which in a way disagrees with general relativity by agreeing with it.</I>

<I>I ask him if I really wanted to…could I fly? He explains that if I really understood things I wouldn't need a body (which he never had since my first revelation). His point being flesh and blood deceive the mind into thinking in all the wrong terms. Or rather, we allow ourselves to be deceived</I>

These are quite literal and simple answers for a dream… Recently I'd re-expressed my interest in questioning dream characters about small and big things, and paying mind to the purpose and meaning of dreams. I believe this dream guide is a direct result of this request.

<I> I remember asking my dream sage why he would cause me a taste of hell (SP) just before bringing me these teasing revelations. I almost feel I shouldn't trust him but I do anyway. He is the dream itself.</I>

He didn't' give me the answer to this comment literally and I don't feel I should elaborate here…

In future dreams I plan to explore death more closely and figure out exactly why the point of death is death, and what it really means. This is all from an experiential level. I'm still unable to perturb away my reluctant belief that once my heart stops beating and my brain is deprived of oxygen that I will cease to exist in any self-aware state. I have my own opinions on the neurological/scientific demystifying summery of consciousness but this fact doesn't not justify filling in the discrepancies and variables with infinities. Lucid Dreaming is proving to be a unique and exciting means to explore these panoramic thoughts on an microcosmic scale. Though there is no guarantee I won't be told exactly what it is I want to hear.

(Tommorow I will transcribe the entire dream that inspired this thread and post it here)

[caonight]

Wow, I haven't been able to lucid dream as of yet, but the more I hear, the more intrigued I get, which is perhaps part of my reason for some of my current thoughts and actions. Most of the time my dreams tend to beguile me, almost as if they are against me. Some of the things you said relate very well to the way I fell although I don't even know if I have ever had sleep paralysis. I suppose one would know if they did. I sometimes think I might have it for a few waking moments, however it merely gives me a taste of things and fades. I do enjoy some of the answers your sage gave you. They do make sense in many ways, some might say that the "sage" avoids your questions with different answers. However I don't see why anyone would say that unless they were just skeptics trying to use anything they could to rationalize and debunk your statements to make themselves feel better and secure. I personally believe that your sage might actually just be your very own consciousness speaking to you in an un-perverted un-bias form. What I mean by that is your perception (along with everyone else's for the most part) is crippled due to the restraints put on it from your physical body and society focus on "the restraints" your body imposes on you. So it's a catch 22. Unless you have a lucid dream state in which your body no longer imposes on you, and you only have to deal with the imprint of society and "the rational" thought process they use, which gives you a way of escape. This hole or escape allows your conscious mind or "cosmic body" to manifest itself. My only word of advice (although since I haven't experienced lucid or SP) is you must have total faith in your sage or conscious mind. Your body is just another vehicle. You can take advantage of it and the experience of having one while the body lives, or you can pass it up. I don't think one or the other is more beneficial, just different to each other. Well have happy dreaming, please post more if ya can.

/peace

[Banshee]

Feelings of death are mostly a sign there will be changes in your life. One way or another. For good or for bad, there will be some drastic changes.:) Guess you figured that out yourself by now, for I am pretty late at the Forums and replying here.

Humans always think the feeling of death in their lives will bring misery. It is not so. Most of the times it is a sign of change. In your way of living, in your way of understanding yourself and/or other humans. I wonder, what has changed in your life Fathoms?
Do you want to tell some more about it? How are you feeling now? Your Sage, or Inner 'Voice' explained it rather well.

Death is a Natural happening. Like the Seasons (that is to say as we know them now). Like humans.:) You start as a newborn baby, you grow up to learn, you grow old with wisdom (at least, that is the purpose) and in the end you'll die. To go back to the Cosmos and start all over again.

Never heard the riddle: What has 4 legs in the morning, 2 in the afternoon and 3 in the evening? - A human being: 4 as a baby, just started to crawl, 2 as an adult and 3 as an old human, walking with a stick.;)

Talk to you later...

[Mr. G]

Not a single day goes by without my thoughts wandering into the dark murky subject of dying.

Your self-respect is at risk by not doing it right the first time.

:rolleyes:

[MuliBoy]

During a vision quest I "died" several times in one night.
It was the most intense and scary thing I ever experienced.
Reaching the boundaries of existance and feeling ones entire being desintigrate. Buddhists call this the lesser lights to my knowledge.
Another seeker I know has had this experience and also felt the same after effects that I felt:
The belief that one had travelled as far as one can. The belief that one has grasped the inner meaning of reality. That nirvana is in the non-existance on the other side of the boundary.

That is bull and serves to give up on life itself. The lesser lights say that non-existance is better than existance since it takes no effort.
To be or not to be... The desintigration process tells you you are tired and old. Time to unplug and cease. You have the choice.

My beloved lady and lifepartner witnessed me emerge from the vision with darkness in my eyes. She said I was scaring her and I got upset because she could not grasp what I had seen. The rest I had been longing for all my life. I could see that I could turn off myself and forever leave this maddening dance of life for good. I remember clearly the feeling of freedom and her fear of it.
The vision is a real killer, but I think it is a essential part of progress in ones spiritual growth. Only when one has seen the absolute option, on or off, one can choose to exist in freedom instead of under the illusion that on has to.

The thing one misses is that life is not a chore. Sure, it might seem like it is, but that is when one forgets to see the beauty and joy of being. It is all complete and a game to take pride in. One keeps on asking why, instead of asking why not, and looses oneself in the details when there is such wonder in the whole of the tapestry.

Life is art, and one has the right and ability to make fine and joyous art :)

Note: I am not talking about death of the body, but the end of existance on all planes. The soul saying thanks and goodbye and disappearing in a puff of etheral smoke.

[caonight]

Wow, I dunno how many of the other threads of mine some have watched or participated in, but you speak very close to what I see and believe. It seems that so many people however are hung up on life, not that it isn't something beautiful, but that they fear death so much, they fail to see the beauty in it as well. I feel that regardless if you die naturally or by other means, it is just another part of life, the whole cycle of things. Weather it's you who stops your life or another. I don't fear death, and I don't necessarily seek it. Although in many cases, some being way more obvious than others, I do every day. I wish for death like I wish for life because they are both seem to exist within each other. We live to die, but to die is to live. This is purely from my own experiences and probably seems rather obvious and rudimentary to those individuals that are more experienced than I, but we all come down a path learning many of the same things. I seem to have had significantly less experience than MuliBoy or Banshee, or many of the others. I do however find that through my own experiences I have been able to understand quite a lot from what little I have experienced so far. Nothing has felt greater than thinking of an idea or belief, and then later reading or hearing something and finding out that great philosophers and minds have had the same thoughts, and even wrote books around the subjects. It defiantly leads one to believe they are on the right track.... I hope this thread keeps going, because I am sure all of us could learn quite a lot from it. ;)

[Bobby Lee]

I have experianced sleep, or dream Paralyisis many times. It sucks! Its like being a observer in your own saga? THe other form I have experianced is brought on by some unknown, in as much as it plays like a movie and you have no choice but to watch!
Interesting, but I have not a clue to the why for? Somethings I dont want to know, but its like not having a choice but to observe it when it comes.

Any explainations for these two phenoms..?


bjl

[Pollux V]

I believe dream paralysis is caused by the brain wanting to keep your body safe by keeping your body paralyzed while experiencing a dream, to prevent you from running into a wall or something.

I've lucid-dreampt a few times. I haven't for awhile, but let me tell anyone who hasn't done it yet: IT'S AWSOME!!

I don't think a universal definition of dreams can be made, nothing in your dreams is symbolic to you the same way it is to the person next to you. A wild orgy could mean happiness to you and perverted-ness to the person next to you. Therefore death could mean anything or nothing.

[MuliBoy]

Agree. Read a dream symbolism book, and while some imagery can have quite common meanings, it is impossible to write a guidebook for dreams.
Always had a deep fondness for dreaming. Earlier in life i preferred it to "real"life. Both are important, and being receptive to what dreams tell you is a great way to improve your awake self :)

[kinamic]

I know this is bad, but many times I have wished for death, for someone to pull out a gun and shoot me in a restaurant or something. I know I have to wait my turn, but it's so intriguing to me. I want to know what's out there. I envy all of you who have had lucid dreams. I have been trying for one, but nothing has helped me so far. I agree about dreams, there is no handbook for them, they are different for every individual. Keep sharing your experiences everyone, this is interesting.

[Banshee]

Yeah, guess it stays arractive to play with the tought of being killed or just to die. Don't have that specific with death though.

It intrigues me more to go into Black Holes, to show there is more to it then scientists think, or disappear in the Bermuda Triangle and find out what is there. And I am always fascinated by blenders and that kind of things, to put my hands in it and see what will happen.

Intrigued by 'darkness', or curiosity?:rolleyes: And you are right, there is no 'book' for dream explanation. Best you can do is look at your daily life and what affect your dream(s) have there. Though death is a sign of change, I stay with that. I died (and was killed) several times in dreams and OBE's, all that times, my life changed afterwards, a lot. Not always for the better...:(

[MuliBoy]

Nothing strange in that. I think it´s much more common than ppl care to mention. Been there too. But I also think deathwishes also are a manifestation of fear of life.
It used to be for me anyway. Life and especially society didn´t make much sense to me.

I´m much better now (or much worse according to some) :D

Everyday is a good day to live or die :)

[IAskWhy]

Well, I do fear death. I have experienced sleep paralysis since being a teenager. In recent weeks, they have become much more real and I am waking up nearly choked to death. They have also gone from lasting minutes, to now lasting close to an hour. Of course, the terrifying dreams always come with the paralysis. Last night, something interesting happened. My daughter heard me moaning, and I was almost audible. I was begging for the paralysis to stop, not for the horrible dream to end. She called my name and shook me, she says, for about 45 seconds. I heard her voice, but could only moan as a response. When I woke up, and we discussed what happened, I found my self pinching my arms as if to check if this was just the start of another strange dream. The paralysis is worsening with every episode. So, I ask why? Any thoughts, help, or other similar stories, even, would be much appreciated.

[cosmictraveler]

Talk about resurrecting the dead, this post was stopped back in 2002 and you have revived it all on your own.:shrug:

[darksidZz]

During a vision quest I "died" several times in one night.
It was the most intense and scary thing I ever experienced.[/I]

Without requoting all that above let me just say I too experienced something like this, I had fallen asleep thinking of something and then began to feel hot, I noticed orange all around me in a fizzle like sensation. I saw nothing but floated through it. I was very content, then I suddenly felt a strange sensation, it was like my entire personality was dissolving.... I felt as if my mind were becoming empty. I can't tell you but during this I had great fear, only later to be told that during these experiences it is not we that die but our egos.

So in essence my ego was dying in this dream-like plane, although I have no idea where it was this place certainly wasn't a dream in that sense. It was a long, long time ago too and I've never had anything similar occur, but since that time I'd been changed and I don't know if it's good or bad.

[John99]

Well, I do fear death. I have experienced sleep paralysis since being a teenager. In recent weeks, they have become much more real and I am waking up nearly choked to death. They have also gone from lasting minutes, to now lasting close to an hour. Of course, the terrifying dreams always come with the paralysis. Last night, something interesting happened. My daughter heard me moaning, and I was almost audible. I was begging for the paralysis to stop, not for the horrible dream to end. She called my name and shook me, she says, for about 45 seconds. I heard her voice, but could only moan as a response. When I woke up, and we discussed what happened, I found my self pinching my arms as if to check if this was just the start of another strange dream. The paralysis is worsening with every episode. So, I ask why? Any thoughts, help, or other similar stories, even, would be much appreciated.

You can induce them yourself by thinking about it and psyching yourself out to have them and complete silence is major factor. Leaving a radio on and a small light and you will never have another one.

In the long run i found out how to bring them on and how to eliminate them pretty much entirely.

Also stress is a factor but the main thing is they are very normal and the physical aspect is just part of the brain and other organs not in complete cooperation or synchronization.

There you have it. Try my methods and report back.

No charge.

Update:

As far as radio or other sound emitting devices it needs to beo of peole conversing, as in news etc.

[Stryder]

Well, I do fear death. I have experienced sleep paralysis since being a teenager. In recent weeks, they have become much more real and I am waking up nearly choked to death. They have also gone from lasting minutes, to now lasting close to an hour. Of course, the terrifying dreams always come with the paralysis. Last night, something interesting happened. My daughter heard me moaning, and I was almost audible. I was begging for the paralysis to stop, not for the horrible dream to end. She called my name and shook me, she says, for about 45 seconds. I heard her voice, but could only moan as a response. When I woke up, and we discussed what happened, I found my self pinching my arms as if to check if this was just the start of another strange dream. The paralysis is worsening with every episode. So, I ask why? Any thoughts, help, or other similar stories, even, would be much appreciated.

If you are really suffering for it you are best of talking to a doctor about it. sleep paralysis is the bodies natural way to make sure you don't thrash around in your sleep. What goes on is the motor function sections of your brain basically go dormant while you sleep. Those that suffer from waking up and still paralysed will find it un-nerving, there are likely a number of neurological ailments that could be responsible, if it's truly that bad I would inquire about getting a CAT scan done. I'm not of course saying this because there is something to be alarmed about, but it's just a way to rule out some of the possible things that could prolong the paralysis.

Obviously a doctor will ask questions like: Do you smoke, Drink or take any form of Drugs? (prescribed or non-prescribed. You should even mention if you are a coffee drinker) Do you go to sleep at a set time each night? Do you fall asleep easily or do you suffer a form of insomnia? (Spending hours up and about to wear yourself out enough to sleep.)

Outside of Neurology there is questions like "Have you ever suffered a neck injury or Whiplash?", as sleeping with a pillow that's too high could cause your neck to be at an odd angle (You could try sleeping with less pillows or no pillows to see if this helps any.)

Like I suggested though this is something you'd have to consult a doctor about as some of them might know of sleep labs that they can send you to where they study and know of various ailments that people suffer during sleep.

[Crunchy Cat]

Well, I do fear death. I have experienced sleep paralysis since being a teenager. In recent weeks, they have become much more real and I am waking up nearly choked to death. They have also gone from lasting minutes, to now lasting close to an hour. Of course, the terrifying dreams always come with the paralysis. Last night, something interesting happened. My daughter heard me moaning, and I was almost audible. I was begging for the paralysis to stop, not for the horrible dream to end. She called my name and shook me, she says, for about 45 seconds. I heard her voice, but could only moan as a response. When I woke up, and we discussed what happened, I found my self pinching my arms as if to check if this was just the start of another strange dream. The paralysis is worsening with every episode. So, I ask why? Any thoughts, help, or other similar stories, even, would be much appreciated.

That's not normal sleep paralysis behavior. See a doctor as it may be a symptom of a underlying neurological issue.

[Stryder]

That's not normal sleep paralysis behavior. See a doctor as it may be a symptom of a underlying neurological issue.

Meh! Thats definitely the concise way of what I was trying to say hehe.

[Cordelia_2_PNIsuiter]

"an unequivocal mindfuck"

Please see sleep lab studies and research the extint to which they are suddenly being utilized by neurologists who would likely refer you to a psychiatrist were you to mention your experience. There is always the alternate or contributory diagnosis of psychosomatic illness.

Learn about the current level of neuroscience and brain imaging. Lucid dreaming is natural, as is the hypnogogic (I believe that was the previous medical term for waking without the ability to move following a dream state.) My own were previously experienced as the "dark man" about to enter my home and my need to wake and protect myself, but upon waking, I would find myself unable to move. That is the "psyche" or the unconscious telling us that we have unresolved issues, threats, or fears which we are attempting to suppress on the conscious level.

The experience you have related in the initial post as your most current level of experience during sleep paralysis, presents in a manner consistent with my own current inability to dream and allow the unconscious levels of the brain to process during natural REM. I do not dream, rather I experience fabrications of dream states that suggest virtual states of experience, and as a result I do not experience REM nor do I wake "refreshed" or feeling the natural result of having experienced a state of "restful" sleep. 8 hours or more...no sense of having "rested".

[Stryder]

"an unequivocal mindfuck"

Please see sleep lab studies and research the extint to which they are suddenly being utilized by neurologists who would likely refer you to a psychiatrist were you to mention your experience. There is always the alternate or contributory diagnosis of psychosomatic illness.

Learn about the current level of neuroscience and brain imaging. Lucid dreaming is natural, as is the hypnogogic (I believe that was the previous medical term for waking without the ability to move following a dream state.) My own were previously experienced as the "dark man" about to enter my home and my need to wake and protect myself, but upon waking, I would find myself unable to move. That is the "psyche" or the unconscious telling us that we have unresolved issues, threats, or fears which we are attempting to suppress on the conscious level.

The experience you have related in the initial post as your most current level of experience during sleep paralysis, presents in a manner consistent with my own current inability to dream and allow the unconscious levels of the brain to process during natural REM. I do not dream, rather I experience fabrications of dream states that suggest virtual states of experience, and as a result I do not experience REM nor do I wake "refreshed" or feeling the natural result of having experienced a state of "restful" sleep. 8 hours or more...no sense of having "rested".

There is a slight difference between a persons belief system and scientific rationality. There is a very high change that the person concerning themselves with sleep paralysis really does need to check into it further through equipment and testing that can only be provided by real doctors.

I don't want to propagate a source of worry to them or make it seem worse than it is, but it could be a number of worrying things ranging from a genetic disorder right through to tumours or it could be something as trivial as drinking too much caffeine during the day, however that's the problem with online diagnosis or theorum's in regards to effects.

For them to rule out the "Worst case scenarios" it requires true diagnosis, not just someone stating that "Lucid dreaming" is natural or what ways to achieve better control over how you influence such a state.

[Cordelia_2_PNIsuiter]

This is not a belief system that I am suggesting. Unfortunately, and rather, it is based on scientific fact. If the individual who started this thread is experiencing such extreme states of paralysis following waking from sleep, then I am merely suggesting that this individual be cautious in their choice of physician and educate their self on the growing abundance of sleep lab studies use by neuroscience for research purposes.

I give as example the use of sleep lab studies in Texas, by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice law enforcement entities, to determine whether the conditions of parole or probation are being met by an offender based on the results of their brains' sleep wave analysis.

You have experience in posting arguments and refutable evidence that far surpasses anything that I am capable of. However, you, yourself avoided the suggestion and accompanying responsibility of research into current scientific and other interest levels into the beneficial knowledge to be gleaned from the dream state/sleep state of an individual, non-acquiesent(sp?) mind.

(Sorry, I am only able to access the Internet on a friend's computer, which is a Mac, and I am use to an IBM. Also, as a result I have not quite figured out the spell check feature on this machine.)

[Cordelia_2_PNIsuiter]

Stryder, After reconsideration, I am almost tempted to seduce you and as your moderator name suggests , stride you and give you an American "mindfuck", based simply on the numbers "on your posts belt" and your seductive avatar.

However, the reality between what an avatar represents and what can factually back it up is up to the author of representation.

Yes, I am challenging you.

[Stryder]

This is not a belief system that I am suggesting. Unfortunately, and rather, it is based on scientific fact. If the individual who started this thread is experiencing such extreme states of paralysis following waking from sleep, then I am merely suggesting that this individual be cautious in their choice of physician and educate their self on the growing abundance of sleep lab studies use by neuroscience for research purposes.

I give as example the use of sleep lab studies in Texas, by the Texas Department of Criminal Justice law enforcement entities, to determine whether the conditions of parole or probation are being met by an offender based on the results of their brains' sleep wave analysis.

You have experience in posting arguments and refutable evidence that far surpasses anything that I am capable of. However, you, yourself avoided the suggestion and accompanying responsibility of research into current scientific and other interest levels into the beneficial knowledge to be gleaned from the dream state/sleep state of an individual, non-acquiesent(sp?) mind.

(Sorry, I am only able to access the Internet on a friend's computer, which is a Mac, and I am use to an IBM. Also, as a result I have not quite figured out the spell check feature on this machine.)

Perhaps I misinterpreted what you were trying to suggest. This forum occasionally is filled by people that are only too happy to believe in the occult. The problem with belief however is it has no substance to it's foundations, while Scientific study can start with a theory, usually the intention is to build up reasoning based upon proof. Proof that can be reiterate through similar experiments to generate similar (if not the same) outcomes.

I guess I should of stated that the person should really go to a doctor to seek a "Referral" to a specialist, that's the only way to elevate talking to quacks.

I can understand where the poster was coming from though as to be honest I find sleep un-nerving. After all when you sleep you are at your most vulnerable and psychologically some people can manifest their own fears of that vulnerability into sleep paralysis (Namely waking early because of their underlying subconscious fears and being greeted by paralysis)

These fears can be greatly increased through either real or psychological events;

In my case I once had a Burglar standing at the food of my bed on waking (He didn't realise I was still in bed, so I think I gave him the squit's when I sat bolt upright as he scrammed very quickly.)

I'm sure there is some documentation located somewhere on the creation of "hypnotic suggestion" which happens to be applied during sleep, the problem is that usually those that do that sort of research are the Military so their papers aren't usually accessible.

[Stryder]

Stryder, After reconsideration, I am almost tempted to seduce you and as your moderator name suggests , stride you and give you an American "mindfuck", based simply on the numbers "on your posts belt" and your seductive avatar.

However, the reality between what an avatar represents and what can factually back it up is up to the author of representation.

Yes, I am challenging you.

Tempting, however the avatar and visard is down to the forum more than choice. The avatar is of course the suited man from Halflife that always appears at the most inopportune moments, resemblant to a "Man in Black". For years the posters of this and the Pseudoscience subforum have suffered the delusion that Moderators and Administrators alike have been there to silence their beliefs or hide information that is prevalent to disclosure in some way. The reality is usually that their theory's lack any substance in both reasoning and proof and they pull that the "powers that be work for the government" as some sort of strawman argument for not getting what they want.

As for the Statement "Excuse them, I'm a Moderator". Some posters in the past have played up on this forum just because they don't see eye to eye with how they have been moderated. Rather than complain through the proper channels, they tended to create threads to express their opinions which in turn got them banned. So I guess you could say that my statement is a simplification of "Excuse the number of hate threads, people getting themselves banned and trolling, It's because I'm a moderator and they are acting up."

So hopefully that will clear that up, Unless of course you are after "[more...]"

[John99]

perhaps you should have Cordelia send you her pic first.

[Stryder]

Come on John, you really think I'm going to use the forums for a dating site? Looking at the success of some of the members here in regards to their own objects of affection, I think I'd rather just maintain being a poster. (Not referring to Dark or Draqon at all)

Incidentally we are going miles off topic now.

[cosmictraveler]

I would rather have one rose and a kind word
from a friend while I'm here
than a whole truck load when I'm gone.

[Stryder]

I would rather have one rose and a kind word
from a friend while I'm here
than a whole truck load when I'm gone.

Depends if that one rose happens to be from the delivery vehicle that runs you over :shrug:, although that would kind of cover the whole truck load as well.

(^ I really, really, really think the Topic is somewhere further up! ^)

[cosmictraveler]

Depends if that one rose happens to be from the delivery vehicle that runs you over , although that would kind of cover the whole truck load as well.


:roflmao::xctd::scratchin:

[Cordelia_2_PNIsuiter]

"For years the posters of this and the Pseudoscience subforum have suffered the delusion that Moderators and Administrators alike have been there to silence their beliefs or hide information that is prevalent to disclosure in some way. The reality is usually that their theory's lack any substance in both reasoning and proof and they pull that the "powers that be work for the government" as some sort of strawman argument for not getting what they want." - Stryder

First, I apologize to the originator of this thread for diverting readers from the original topic starting the thread. Within my local acquaintances there is a saying, "Don't drink and dial." I have a new saying for myself, "Don't drink and post."

However, I would like to learn what information, precisely, is required by Stryder to discredit his/her claim of what I have asserted to be a theory lacking any substance in both reasoning and proof. Also, I would like to know what evidence you have in any of my own personal postings to assert that I believe the moderator conspiracy theory that the "powers that be work for the government"?

Finally, the last thing that I was looking for last night was a "strawman".

[Cordelia_2_PNIsuiter]

PNI = Psychoneuroimmunology,

The quiet here is overwhelming. But I have become accustomed to silence where answers are plausibly refused.

To the originating author of this post I want only to empress on you the responsibility to think for yourself. This includes those individuals, especially in areas of "parasychology" or for those who have experienced the gift of any paranormal experience. The spiritual impression is subtle, soft, and not impinging as I have known it or even read, unless you are a destined saint or a second Messiah. However, I recognize that my spiritual communication is singular and not something that I have the ability to judge against another individual's spiritual experiences.

The question for the originator of this thread is whether you have previous spiritual or paranormal experiences to compare these communications to, and/or to truly consider, based on experience, were these communications spiritual or induced synthetically?

If you are not sure, or even if you are, I still suggest that you educate yourself on sleep lab studies and the variety of interested parties currently engaging in such studies.

[Diode-Man]

Meditate and see yourself remaining calm the next time you have sleep paralysis. Just recognize that the unexpected feelings you are having is dymethyltryptamine ( DMT/spirit molecule ) being released from your pineal gland. Some consider it as merely a molecule, others consider it as a "spirit substance."

If you can remain calm during sleep paralysis then you have discovered one of the best lucidity openings in the dream world, you have a chance to take full control of the dreaming situation in full lucidity! Have sex with Britney Spears, or go fly to Everest! Its good times.

[Oli]

The question for the originator of this thread is whether you have previous spiritual or paranormal experiences to compare these communications to, and/or to truly consider, based on experience, were these communications spiritual or induced synthetically?
Um, "spiritual or paranormal experiences"?
"spiritual communications"
WTF?

[John99]

i had the coolest dreams last night. one was so frightening that it woke me up. it involved ghosts who walked by me and one women was kind of pretty but had black circles around her eyes and wlaked by me straing at me. then when i went to touch her she shrunk down to like around five inches.

then i woke up. there is much more but it is too frightening to rehash.

the second one was where i was playing a form of tennis or something similar but only the rackets were made of closth with no handles and i had to eat (for some reason) a pice of the racket. which was no racket because the ball can go right through it.

so someone hands me a pice of paper to use as a racket. the kind of paer with chemicals on it like this smelly old bill papers. when i ate it it was horrible. i spit up but the spit was a mixture of foam and saliva. i woke up spitting on my pillow and all over.