Conspiracy to deprive Hamas of power: US, Israel in talks for re-election

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    NEW YORK, Feb 14: The United States and Israel are discussing ways to destabilize the Palestinian government so that newly elected Hamas officials will fail and elections will be called again, the New York Times said on Monday quoting Israeli officials and Western diplomats.

    The intention is to starve the Palestinian Authority of money and international connections to the point where, some months from now, its president, Mahmoud Abbas is compelled to call a new election. The hope is that Palestinians will be so unhappy with life under Hamas that they will return to office a reformed and chastened Fatah movement, the newspaper said.

    The report which was posted on the newspaper’s website immediately elicited strong response from Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri who while condemning US and Israeli interference said: “The United States, which claims herself to be the mother of democracy, must respect the election results and the will of the Palestinian people,” Hamas spokesman Mushir al-Masri said.

    http://www.dawn.com/2006/02/15/top10.htm
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure why we should give them any money.
     
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  5. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    They threatened to kill any norweigans they found last week. Should we keep sending them aid?
     
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  7. Dil_420 Banned Banned

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    how is asking for money? they don´t want ur money!
    they just want to do the work people have elected them for!
     
  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Currently, the Palestinians are the largest per capita recipients of foreign aid worldwide and, with a shattered economy, are completely dependent on external support to meet basic needs. That's what this issue is about: US and European countries withholding financial aid.

    (Since the signing of the Oslo Accord in 1993, the U.S. government has committed more than $1.8 billion in economic assistance to the Palestinians.)
     
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  9. Sock puppet path GRRRRRRRRRRRR Valued Senior Member

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    So why did you post an article claiming there is a conspiracy to deprive them of money if as you say, "they don't want our money "? I don't think hamas has any idea how much aid palestinians receive or how much it costs to administer a government
     
  10. Dil_420 Banned Banned

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    idiot it´s not about the money they us & others want them removed from the goverment.
    they wanna do some so there can be elections again!
    that is totaly not the american or eruo way of life! total bullshit, that´s wat it is!
    Israeli controled dogs!!
     
  11. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Wrong on almost all points. First, it's not a conspiracy, it's a plan. And there are good reasons for the plan - Hamas is fixated on violence and will never allow peace to happen.

    The money is just a tool to force them to give up their violent stand OR else loose their governing position. The powers that control that money would much rather they change their ways than their governing party. It's all just that simple.
     
  12. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    I think its very hypocritical for the US, EU, Israel and the UN to exert pressure on Hamas after Hamas won fairly in an election. The West says they promote democracy, however when the results do not go their way, they go back on this and try to put someone who is subservient to them in their place.

    Why do you think Hamas became elected? It was obviously for what they stood for. The Palestinians have finally got a party that represents them. Instead of condemning Hamas for violence, why doesnt the West condemn Israel for its half a century worth of violence over the Palestinan people?

    Hamas says they are ready for peace provided Israel withdraw to its official 1967 borders, but Israel continues to illegally occupy the Palestinian territories and build more settlements while the West turns a blind eye? How can there be peace from Hamas if Israel keeps taking their land and murdering their people?
     
  13. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Tell me this: in a struggle like that, exactly who decides - and on what basis - which piece of land "belongs" to whom?
     
  14. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Israel is an illegitimate entity based on the principal that since the ancestors of the dispersed Jewish people thousands of years ago lived on the land, it infact belongs to them. Ignoring the basic fact that the Jewish people in fact were not the first people to live on that land. The modern Palestinians are made up of various tribes which have a much older right of inhabitance to the land, many of them from Jews who converted to Islam. The descendants of the disciples of Holy Prophet Jesus (peace be to him) even live among the Palestinians. The fact that the Jews claim this land is similar to if the Moors claimed the right to rule the Spanish on this same principle. It's worse crime however is the deliberate persecution and murder of the native Palestinians to oust them out of their land. In fact, the nation of Israel formed due to the bombing and organized killing and relocation of the Palestinian population. The same way was the legitimate aspiration of the Native Americans denied to them, and the right of the Aborigines, and also the South Africans (the reason for the South African Freedom Struugle).

    "If we take the magnitude of the injustice done to the Palestinians by the State of Israel, there is a basis for comparison with apartheid."- Alon Liel, former Israeli Ambassador to South Africa

    "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." (Ariel Sharon as the Israeli Foreign Minister addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.)

    Palestine Declaration of Independence (15 November 1988) states: "... Despite the historical injustice inflicted on the Palestinian Arab people resulting in their dispersion and depriving them of their right to self-determination, following upon U.N. General Assembly Resolution 181 (1947), which partitioned Palestine into two states, one Arab, one Jewish, yet it is this Resolution that still provides those conditions of international legitimacy that ensure the right of the Palestinian Arab people to sovereignty

    By stages, the occupation of Palestine and parts of other Arab territories by Israeli forces, the willed dispossession and expulsion from their ancestral homes of the majority of Palestine's civilian inhabitants, was achieved by organized terror; those Palestinians who remained, as a vestige subjugated in its homeland, were persecuted and forced to endure the destruction of their national life.

    Thus were principles of international legitimacy violated. Thus were the Charter of the United Nations and its Resolutions disfigured, for they had recognized the Palestinian Arab people's national rights, including the right of Return, the right to independence, the right to sovereignty over territory and homeland... "

    For more information visit:

    http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

    http://www.hcef.org/hcef/index.cfm

    http://stopthewall.org/index.shtml
     
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    u fucking idiot .....and ur telling me i´m worng!!
    there is no reason....Hamas is democratic elected government! what do u westen call it...free democracy!!
    thegoverment of US is fixated on violence...they fucking brought down the WTC in there owen land!

    how dare u justify one mans action and call the others for terrorist! ignorant pig!

    u wanna see the real terrorist:

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  16. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    I thought democracies required things like constitutions in line with international human rights. Elections are only the start.

    edit: apparently that's called liberal democracy. Still, illiberal democracy is not exactly 'free' democracy.
     
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    I can truthfully say that I don't mind disappointing you - you're the real idiot. And fairly illiterate, too. Generally just plain dumb. Why don't you crawl back under the rock where you came from and leave all the normal people alone?
     
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    hmmm normal
    only time will show
     
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    If you consider yourself normal (intelligence-wise, even if you don't know the major religion of India), then answer this one simple question for me:

    Will the Hamas fixation on violence lead to peace?
     
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    Hamas isn't fixated on violence, Hamas is fixated on resistance. There is a major difference between the two. Resistance is a response to oppression.

    Hamas has vowed that they will not abandon their goal of resistance until Israel withdraws from the Palestinian land they have colonized in 1967. I don't believe that is a ridiculous demand.

    Hamas has for a year already honored a peace with Israel, even though Israel has assassinated Palestinian political opponents with missile attacks during this period. One-sided peace never works.
     
  21. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Their charter is more extreme than that.

     
  22. Dil_420 Banned Banned

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    it´s there land....they got every right to say all this!
    u 30,000 andmore jews live in Iran and many more places!
    they live free and in peace!
    the jews took the land behave of there religion!! or would u ppl call that lie too?
     
  23. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    Really? And I thought you were against hate speech after what you said about the cartoons...
     

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