Assumption that Progression=Superiority?

I've noticed in my short time here at SciForums that most of the users here post under the premise that progression=superiority. I saw it in the "Black People are Inferior to White People" thread, where several people posted that the blacks had just as long as whites to invent things but they never did. Therefore, whites were the superior race.

That's just one example, but has anyone else even noticed this?

AmishRakeFight

 

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ye--ES i have. throw in their 'IQ test' thang too. which 'proves' black people aren't as inteliigent as the 'whites' that propaganderize this

the whole very IDEA of 'progrsssion' is a myth,and is backed up by the oppresive materialist philosophy these pepleadhere to. many no even REALIZINGit.

but it also is in patriarchal dogma from long long back. the idea of 'perfection'. of the invidual becoming a 'god'. so for example in nazi myth we have te idea of 'root races' and how superior tey are. of course they are light skinned

so we have tis indctrination coverd in various interlocking myths

but look round what this precious fukin progress is ACTAULLY DOING , to Nature, other species and individuals and communities

i'm not saying we muctn'y apply practical knowledge. BUT it is now coming from extremely dangerous premise that Nature is a dead thing and simply commodity of CERTAin human elites purposes

 

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oh, we are NOT 'survival-obsessed'--millions franitically rushin round like rats on treadmil. leading meaningless lives of drudgery, and all 'LEEEsure' time manipulated by big entertainment plc.....you see this as progress. as 'superior' do you
and you also don't beieve we are 'illness ridden' a ulure that makes even children not fittin into achool a fukin 'disease'..?? heard of 'ADHD'??? etcetera. me tinks you paint a FAR to romantic vision of the modern present

 

I certainly would NOT apply such a thing to racial issues!!

But the general statement - progress is superior - is very true. Progress is superior to stagnation. And if progress isn't made, that's the very definition of stagnation.

I believe people will take your question in different ways, since it will depend on their mindset. Myself and Duendy are perfect examples of that. She thinks that ALL progress is evil and we should go back to living in caves after first destroying all science, business and government.

 

i think what he was trying to say is that, in general, humans have a much better chance of individual survival because of the progression of society and of our understanding of the world around us.

 

Light is an eeediot.

and so predictable. EVERYtime a mscientist-type (someone who follows materialist ideology) defends agaionst dissent--against their PURPOSE-of PROGRESSION, the term 'CAVES' gets mentioned haha..its true. every single one of em has said exacltly same over the time i've been here

NO. i am not saying we coulod stagnate. obviously i am not. i am stating that ature and universe ARE creative. that rea;ity is sentient. ok? if someting is conscios it's not dead, it's creative

but lt us nderstand the materiliast philosophy brielfy fora mo. it believes Natureis its COMMODITY. to exploit. what you think th current crisis wees all in is about? it is the mindset that beliefves one can have unlimited resources on a planet with FINITE resources. it is all take take take. ost Indigenous peoples didn't have tis attitude at all. they cared for those to come! not just beliving in grabbing now cause when yer dead yer dead. like pobably Light nd co believe. orrr Light, whddya say. you going to heaven or what?...hah. see YOUUU in hell!

 

Nope, I'm not going there. But there are a couple of others here that I will ask to say "hello" to you when you/they arrive.

 

Why is progress superior? what about stagnation makes it bad?

 

Personally, I like computers, programming, Internet etc. none of which were around a century ago. On the other hand I spend far too much time procrastinating with this wonderful technology, so there are tradeoffs...

Sometimes it almost seems like it's nothing but a matter of scale. Specialisation allows far more people to live in a small area, with technology helping to produce food, clothes, etc. for everyone. Similar advances allow huge numbers of people to be wiped out in war, where before this was a slower process.

 

because progress means constant change, constant updating, constantly modifying whatever you have to modify so that it is more efficient, so that you can do more. being able to do more means that you have a larger effect on the world around you. having a large effect on your environment means you effect a large amount of other people's lives (for better or for worse). because there is always something or someone to compete against, or that you have to overcome, there is always going to be the need to make things more efficient. without progress, we leave ourselves more open to possible loss or extinction.

 

Amish....

I take it, from your nickname, that you sympathise with the Luddite movement? That you oppose advancement as science and society at large understands it?

Much as I despise a great deal of what happens nowadays that did not happen in MY childhood, I am forced to concede that the quality of life my children (to be) will likely be FAR greater than my own.

We live in chaging times. The key is to be ahead of that change curve, not behind it.

Unforseen problems have a habit of generating unforseen solutions.

Jaybee.

 

and why is all that changing better? all that effort?

What is the end game here? Are we hoping to keep this going forever? Where will the constant work take us in the long term?

 

If you win, you are superior, in some way. This is true by definition.

 

It takes constant work to stay where you are, too. I.e., alive - requires food, shelter, etc. Moving forward is what humans are good at. Would you want scientists to be bored?

 

Excellent post, Fraggle.

Regardless of nationality (Duendy is British and I rather doubt she went far in school at all), there are still ignorant people in this world that take ALL of our progress for granted.

Those like Duendy absolutely love to point to anything negative they can find simply because they can use it to blame their own miserable conditions on. Conditions of their very own making.

For what it's worth, I still believe she was diagnosed with a mental condition and rebelled against help from her family and the medical profession. It's very common for people like her to claim it's everyone else's fault and that there is nothing wrong with them. Deluded, paranoid and stupid - all in one basket. And it's difficult to pity them because they have such sour personalities.

 

It's been a full three-score plus for me also, Fraggle, and I'm equally aware of the things you've listed.

Yes, that sort of change IS both drastic and scary. My only real complaint with the individual you were responding to is that she refuses any and all help. Also, many of those people are still able to look around them and see what goes on in the lives of others and compare it to their own. She refuses that as well.

Once someone has reached that point, there's absolutely nothing to be done but avoid them. They make everyone who comes in contact with them sorry that they ever did. Isolation is actually a benefit to them and it stops them from "infecting" and "affecting" others with their personal brand of ugliness.