Britain's population reaches sixty million

The Gloucester Citizen has reported today that baby Declan, born in the Gloucestershire Royal Hospital, may be Britain's sixty millionth citizen. I copy below the letter I have just sent to the editor. Your comments would be very welcome!
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The news that the UK's population has reached sixty million should alarm us all. The population reached fifty million rather more than fifty years ago when I was a schoolboy. In those days, we felt ourselves to inhabit rather a crowded island. We were very aware of our inability to feed ourselves, and memories were fresh of the toll in lives paid by our merchant seamen in bringing enough grain, meat, dairy products, tea, sugar and other comestibles across treacherous seas to sustain a meagre wartime diet. In the late forties and fifties, everyone understood the urgency for British industry to earn export dollars so that we could afford to import the necessities of life.

At least in those days we were largely self-sufficient in energy through the efforts of our miners. We enjoy a similar self-sufficiency today thanks to our offshore oil and gas, but that – as we know – is beginning to change, and it is happening at a time of surging demand for products that are halfway towards their eventual exhaustion.

Not only do we face an urgent need to raise our exports to pay for increasingly expensive imported oil and gas, but we also begin to foresee the end of cheap and plentiful food imports. As well as providing the energy source for heating and electricity generation, and petroleum for transport, oil and gas support the production of nitrate fertilisers, which increase crop yields by up to forty percent. A doubling or trebling of nitrate prices must either diminish food production or increase the cost of production, or both.

Most dangerous of all, we must compete in future with China, India, and other rising nations to bid for the food exports of the diminishing handful of countries that continue to produce exportable surpluses as their own populations rise. We have surrendered much of our manufacturing capacity to nations where wage costs are much lower, but where will Britain stand as these same nations learn to produce the aircraft engines, the pharmaceuticals, and the other high tech products that guarantee us our present high standard of living? Who, in the long run, would back British scientists, engineers, and designers against their Chinese counterparts as our universities abandon hard science for soft options?

As the peoples of the world grow more equal in their technologies and skills, the rich and poor nations will be those with and without the natural resources equal to the needs of their populations. Those that must import both food and fuel will be the poorest. A nation of sixty million with the wherewithal to nourish and sustain thirty million faces famine.

If there is a solution, the first step must be to get a grip on some basic strategic realities and abandon a fifty-year accretion of sublime complacency.

 

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I agree that western countries will suffer energy and food shortages in the future, unless they can supply them locally. However, reducing birth or immigrant rate invites another kind of crisis. An aging population with few replacing them will place a greater burden on the young, less growth in science and technology, and a diminished labor force with economic collapse as a result.

 

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How on Earth, literally, do you fit them all in? I mean, it was crowded when I was born there in 1953--but Jesus, 60 million?

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high rise tower blocks is how,


make some ghetto/slummy areas with tons of cheap high rise housing pack everybody close together, and you have london,


about 15% of that population proably lives down my street, im joking but seriously for its size london has a hell of alot of people living here, i would estimate about 10 million just in london city alone, and i think we have more than 60 million here, about 20 million must be refugees that are not on the books, illegal immigrants, i dont care who comes in this country though, land is just land it belongs to nobody, but there are alot of illegal immigrants here in london, and i bet there not counted on the list,



peace.

 

Humanity as a whole is growing out of control. Time to cut back.

 

yeah i agree,

what do you suggest, mass genoside hitler style? or a more of a bush approach?

peace.

 

I suggest an end to food and international aid, a lack of international unions and an end to immigration. I would also probably like the execution of all really stupid or slimy people. Not sure genocide would be effective.

 

England with a land area of 94,399 sq. miles is considered overpopulated at a population of 65,589,407 people.
At a population of 65,589,407 there is a area of 40,000 sq. ft. per person (200sq.ft. X 200 sq. ft.= 40,000 sq.ft. Individual effect area of earth to human and formation of self adaption).
This is more than enough land area to supply the food resources of england, given a food consumption of vegitation.
The figures define that there shoud be 50,000 people per 72 sq. miles.

A high population density is 50,000 people per 1 sq mile, which is the minium area to sustain that population. It is also the highest form of human organization, the peak of human effective organization and specialization, we see near examples of this organization in the cities of today.
At this level of organization the the country of england could support 4,719,950,000 people. In general this type of population density can not be accomplished due to the physcological development of current humans. as proven with lab animals there is a physcological break down of a given percentage of the population when this population density occurs, abnormal behavior becomes exsposed revealing the mental weakness of individuals.
To some this type of population density seems unthinkable but it is this same population denstiy rate that will be required for space travel in the future. So then a nation such as england or japan could prove to be well on the way to developing the type of tough minds that will prove to endure the rigures of space travel, they may be come the best astronaut faring groups. So in the end result this development of population density may prove to be a benifit to the contiuned existance of the human race, a point of brain evolution/ specialization in human perfomance for our planet.


DwayneD.L.Rabon

 

Alternatively you could sent 30 million Brits to live in Australia--I'm sure the Australians would be glad to have you--all the better for their white Oz policy.

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England (as opposed to the UK) has a land area of just over 50,000 square miles and a population of just over 50 million. The proportion of land in Scotland and Wales suitable for agricultural production is much lower than in England.

Be absolutely assured of this fact. The island of Great Britain was a long way short of being able to feed itself during WWII despite desperate measures in bringing available land under cultivation. Germany sought to starve Britain into submission by submarine warfare against food convoys.

Since then, Britain's population has increased by one-third and a lot more land is under concrete. There have been big gains in crop yields, but Britain could still be starved into submission by an enemy.

Of course, I didn't want to be gloomy in my outlook by mentioning that a five meter rise in sea level due to global warming would inundate fifty percent of England's Grade 1 agricultural land . . . so that's actually just about fifteen million people who could be comfortably sustained.

 

Sounds like you think Brits are white! Australia would get "dirtier" not whiter.
Are you sure there's enough water for another 30m Aussies?

 

What is their White Oz Policy?


DwayneD.L.Rabon

 

Well I am not familuar with the condtion of crop land in england, but i have seen several documentaries that describe a hard pan type soil in some areas: makeing the UK/england self sustaining may take a major effort, as with most things of importance requires labors effort to get yeild.
The figues i gave would require the production of 4 to 6 pounds of food yeild per sq. ft. England may have to change dietary habits, and or choice of staple.

Restructureing may mean a change in certain customs, but it seems that england is technologically developed enough, to handle its maufacturing of essential textiles.
Assumably recycleing of product and high durable quality of proudct is the main key sustaining england under self.

Some socialist policy may be nessacary, for the stablization of the standard living/ quality of life.

However i assume that the climate of england may effect the rate of food production, and thats probably the second concern in a algriculture resturcureing to that of soil condtioning. Under any event as england reaches its mark for overpopulation it will now half to take this specialization of certain areas quite seriously, weather that means climate endureing stain crops, or larger scale goverment issued tractors, farming machines...
The land is there, now what is it going to take is what should be the focus.

Even so it will exist to be a condtion of the world that, england shall recive support form the world, "lend me some sugar after all i am your neighbor" , i suppose though the world in this time of mass communication got of on the wrong foot with the damaging embargo against Iraq whcih effected the population rather than the ruling party, and then the circumstances of ignoring starvation ect.... in other parts of the world. I suppose as well that these issues are on the United Nations table, getting things done with the benfit of the population in mind seems to take some work for some reason?


DwayneD.L.Rabon

 

If all posters in this thread would care to check their facts, then report back with corrections to the plethora of mind numbing errors, then it might be worth my while to return to discuss the topic with you all. Otherwise I suggest you stew in your diluted potage of myth, cliche, misinterpretation, misdirection, error, omission and lies. Have a nice day.

 

Well, Rabon, I see your facts and figures are just as wrong as ever. Right along with your faulty degerated reasoning ability.

Seems you can't even find the correct number for the land area of England. Shame. It available all over the Internet.

Or did your non-existent high-ranking military teachers not even know the difference between England and the U.K?

I was actually hoping that you had gone into some sort of self-imposed exile. This place has been much better without you.

 

Well, I'll add one to that number later on this year.

 

Well I guess that island country of the north east shore of france is still having internal problems about what to call its land mass. never did understand altogeather the dislike those island people have for each other.

England 50,516 sq. miles
Wales 8,017 sq. miles
Scotland 30,414 sq. miles
Northern Ireland 5,452 sq. miles
Ireland 27,136 sq, miles

For those people who need to see the different regions of england,UK


As for Ophilte and light why do you even bother to post, nothing to do today, here lets write insults on the form since you lack the intell to carry a conversation with me, what lesson shall i teach you this time. light it seems that you have been running around the boards making a good insult of the list of members, your misery with life shows can seem to figure out how to rule it or even controll your self it seems.

DwayneD.L.Rabon

 

Rabon, for a self-proclaimed genius, you are just as dumb as you ever were. The United Kingdom has absolutely no problem in determining what it consists of.

Correction - you've never once taught me a single thing. All your maniacal mumblings about polar shifts, extinctions and the like are just as much garbage now as they were then. You do know a very little bit but it's a long way from what you claim to know and understand.

If you'll look at your last sentence again I believe even you will find it looks like something structured by an idiot. Much of it doesn't even make sense the way you wrote it. Pitiful.

As to my life - ha! I'm actually one of the happiest and most contented people around. It's just that I throughly enjoy shoving stuff back into the face of such stupid idiots as yourself and a few others here. It's really quite a bit of fun!

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(But I'm sorry - with your mental condition being what it is you couldn't possibly understand what real fun is like.)

 

If that means you are about to become a parent, congratulations. If it means you are moving here, welcome.

 

What is their White Oz Policy?


DwayneD.L.Rabon