dealing with neocon idiots on AIM...

On one of the other forums that I post on, when the little dorks get burned they try to get on AIM and start stuff with me...

hotshot: good evening
me: howdy
hotshot: do you who i am
me: hotshot the one who talks about being a flying semen
hotshot: Cadet hotshot
Liberty Bell Squadron, USNSCC
Bravo Company
Willowgrove NAS JRB
me: where is that?
hotshot: Willowgrove, Pennsylvania
me: i live by ft hood tx
hotshot: ok
hotshot: yet you are very much opposed to the military
me: no i am not opposed to the military
me: just the neocon trash at the pentagon running it
hotshot: are you opposed to me
me: well pentagon nsc and white house
hotshot: so is that a yes or no
me: why would i be
hotshot: because i am a big supporter of our amred forces, am a member of our armed forces, and hope to join our armed forces as ano adult
hotshot: an*
me: i am a big supporter of the military
me: but think that people like cheney wolfowitz and their friends are screwing it up
me: and using it haphazardly
hotshot: well it doesn't seem like that in your post
hotshot: posts*
me: instead of defending america
me: the military is being used for imperial and zionist purposes
hotshot: well you always seem to bash on the armed forces and stuff like that in my posts
me: in fact all threats to america are specifically ignored by those people
hotshot: well, my dad was atf and my grandpa navy, uncle army and i'm going navy
hotshot: I just completed boot camp
hotshot: for the United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps
me: i dunno i really dont like todays navy
me: with what those guys at the top are doing
me: especially in the explicit goal to make the army irrelevant
me: and the idea that they think that you can win all wars with bombers and cruise missles
hotshot: i'm gonna be in navy intel
me: i just hope that your ship doesnt end up like another famous navy intel ship
hotshot: which one
me: uss liberty
hotshot: i c
me: president and sec of defense recalled all attempts to reinforce it
me: so that the idf could blow it up
hotshot: well i'll honestly tell yea if my country called and i went to fight and i was killed in fighting that would be ok for me
hotshot: . I DON'T WANA DIE
hotshot: but if my country called i would defend our freedoms
me: what do you mean defending our freedoms?
me: american military has had little to do with defending america or its freedoms for a long time
hotshot: on like kOREA , wORLD wAR 2, vIETNAM
hotshot: i would fight in actions like those
me: korea had nothing to do with defending america
me: world war 2 sorta did, it could have been avoided but oh well
me: and vietnam had even less than korea did
me: once japan attacked it became defending america
hotshot: you might think that i'm some redneck stupid person but im pretty smart and If my commander and chief orders me to war i go
me: just don't fool yourself into the defending america sh*t
me: when most of the time you won't be
me: take iraq as example, that had nothing to do with defending america, either time
hotshot: tell me do you know who said this???
"I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."
hotshot: you seem pretty smart
me: i'd give my life to defend my country
me: but that day would probiably never come
hotshot: who said that famous quote
me: i don't remember
hotshot: Nathan Hale
hotshot: that quote is what i believe
me: then why not defend your country
me: and not spread american imperalism
me: or defend zionism
hotshot: defending your country sometimes includes paying the ultimate sacriface
me: but how are you going to defend your country?
hotshot: i''m the kind of person who if a corpman would run out underfire to save a shipmates life
me: by going to place like iraq and shooting missles at people who are of no threat to america?
hotshot: i would risk my life to protect our freedoms, other people's freedoms, and my shipmates
hotshot: Saddam was murderous pig who derserved to die
me: murdersous?
hotshot: i have no sympathy for him or his government
hotshot: do oyu know how many of his own people he killed
hotshot: thousands
hotshot: 10s of thousands
me: america encouraged a rebellion
me: those people were in armed conflict to overthrow the government
me: but hey if a few hundred thousand people stood up and tried to throw off the american govt
hotshot: he bathed people in acid, ripped out fingers, killed inocent women and children
me: you would not attack them
hotshot: they would be htrown in jail
hotshot: not tortured or murdered
me: kind of hard to jail people with aks
hotshot: correct
hotshot: but
me: when bush called for open rebellion in 1991
me: the kurds and shi'ites went along with it
hotshot: the incoent killings of women and children and unarmed people
hotshot: is what saddam did
hotshot: don't you feel for the americans who died over there
hotshot: trying to help the iraqi people
me: what innocent women and children
me: they weren't trying to help the iraqi people
hotshot: they were helping by eliminating the saddam government
hotshot: don't you feel for OUR dead soldiers
me: i am sad that they got sent into another war for imperialist goals
me: that they weren't given the chance to defend america
hotshot: they did
hotshot: 58,000 men and women died during the vietnam war
me: which had nothing to do with defending america
hotshot: 8,000 marines were killed at Iwo Jima an Island nearly a mile and a half wide
hotshot: 2,453 men and women killed at peral harbor
me: they didn't need to die
hotshot: but they did for your freedoms
me: the 58k that died in vietnam did not do anything for my freedoms
me: american involvement in ww2 should have been avoided
hotshot: 1,078,162 american soldiers died during ww2
hotshot: 157,000 americans died in korea
me: and korea had nothing to do with defending america or american freedoms
hotshot: yers
hotshot: we defended another countries freedoms
hotshot: that how great we are
hotshot: you could not possibly image the carinage my grandfather and so many other american solders saw during the wars
me: why not defend america?
me: then again you probiably would have supported manifest destiny
me: and the hostile takeover of hawaii
me: and the colonization of guam puerto rico and the phillippene islands
hotshot: these men and women were the men brave enough to charge a machine gun nest to save his fellow soldiers lives, the medic who ran out under fire to save the lives of men he did not know, the pilots who landed at a hot lz to get his men out. the nurse who saved so many lives and thought about the lives she was saving rather than her own
hotshot: the u.s. has given out roughly 3,500 medal of honors since the civil war
me: they still were not saving america
hotshot: the rescipiants of these medals were soldiers who most of the time gave their lives to save their fellow men
me: gave their lives not saving america
hotshot: ran out underfire to drag a wounded man back, jumped on a granade
hotshot: to save his fellow americans
me: who shouldn't have been there in the first place
hotshot: THESE MEN and WOMEN deserve to live here more than most americans who live here today
hotshot: My grandpa vol. because he wanted to serve his country
hotshot: I'm gonna vol.
me: why because they helped expand the american imperialist agenda
hotshot: beacuse I got the BALLS to stand up when good people are need
hotshot: needed**
me: why not try to defend america
hotshot: I am
me: instead of being a pawn used in imperialist wars
me: and wars of agression and conquest
hotshot: nope
hotshot: i vol.
me: so instead of defending america you wish to invade random countries so america can expand its impire?
hotshot: beacuse believe that what i am doing is good
hotshot: nope
hotshot: you just don't have the balls to stand up and fight
me: so invading random countries so that america can have more hegemony is good?
hotshot: if some country invaded us and your family was indanger oyu still wouldn't fight
me: i already said that i'd defend the country
hotshot: I hope to someday have the priviallage of serving with The finist people in the world
me: my home is being invaded every day
me: and what does the us military do about it
hotshot: by what

me: go bomb iraq
me: instead of defending america
hotshot: "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and success of liberty."
John F. Kennedy

me: if they gave any kind of care about america, then they would amend posse cometitus and defend america
hotshot: "We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand, and of overwhelming power on the other."- George C. Marshall, Chief of Staff
me: by liberty i guess you mean democratically using your freedom to leave america and being invaded for it
hotshot: "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guarantee of peace."
Theodore Roosevelt

me: happened in the phillippenes in 1899 and in the csa in 1861
hotshot: "Let your plans be dark and as impenetratable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt." Sun Tzu - (The art of War)
me: the same theodore roosevelt who pushed the colonization of puerto rico guam and the phillippene islands?
hotshot: "To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace."
-George Washington, speech (first annual address to Congress, 1790.

me: being prepared for war and randomly invading countries to expand your impire are two differant things
hotshot: we are at war
hotshot: not preparing for it
me: yes expanding the american impire
hotshot: "Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency; we are winning."
Colonel David M. Shoup, USMC, Tarawa, 21 November 1943.

me: something that washington would have been disgusted by
hotshot: the battle for tarawa claimed 5,435 american lives
hotshot: the island as about a 1/5 mile long
me: you still aren't defending america
hotshot: i am
hotshot: you aren't
me: bombing iraq is not defending america
me: spreading imperialism is not defending america
hotshot: bombing saddam
hotshot: not the people of iraqi
hotshot: "Cry 'Havoc' and let slip the dogs of War."
- William Shakespeare ("Julius Caesar"

me: still not defending america
me: just bombing a secularist who was at war with groups such as al queda
hotshot: "Goddam it, you'll never get the Purple Heart hiding in a foxhole! Follow me!"
Captain Henry P. "Jim" Crowe, USMC, Guadalcanal, 13 January 1943.

hotshot: you like saddam???
me: now america is going to have to deal with the groups such as al queda that saddam had to deal with for decades
hotshot: he supported them
hotshot: do oyu like saddam
me: saddam was a secularist
me: do you know what that word means?
hotshot: yes
hotshot: i'm in 9th grade
me: then what does it mean
hotshot: 'Any man who may be asked?What he did to make his life worthwhile?Can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction. "I served in the United States Navy"
President John F. Kennedy

me: what is a secularist
hotshot: this what i'll say after my time in the navy
hotshot: i served our country with pride
me: stop with random quotes
me: and answre some questions
hotshot: and whatever you say can't take that away
me: what is a secularist
me: answer
hotshot: alright
hotshot: The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs.


me: yes
me: and saddam opposed groups who tried to turn iraq into a theoracy
me: such as al queda
hotshot: he still supported terror groups which fought against us
me: and the shi'ite groups in the south who now are protesting about turning iraq into a country just like iran
me: name a group that saddam supported that fought america
me: please name these groups which saddam supported
me: that fought america
hotshot: for gods sake i don't
hotshot: thats classified CIA stuff
me: bullsh*t
hotshot: nope
hotshot: true
me: the only group that saddam supported was islamic jihad
hotshot: do you burn american flags at protests
me: and they fought to kick the idf out of palestine
hotshot: do you burn american flags at protests???
hotshot: do you
hotshot: well???
me: the group that was being used in the reasons to go to war was asnar al-islam or something like that
hotshot: do you burn american flags at protests??
hotshot: do you
me: which had bases in northern iraq supported by kurdish rebels and had links to al queda
me: no
hotshot: good
hotshot: because that just makes me sick
me: why
me: you still support the invasion of random countries
me: to expand imperialist desires
me: instead of auctually defending america
me: you disgrace the constitution and declaration of independance far more than any of them do
hotshot: because of all the americans who diedto protect our country
me: you are an idiot
hotshot: those hippy f*ckfaces don't
hotshot: deserve to even be in this country
me: vietnam didn't defend america
me: korea wasn't about defending america
me: ww1 wasn't about defending america
hotshot: it defend other weaker countries
me: la gurrea de invasion yanqui wasn't defending america
me: the war of northern agression wasn't defending america
hotshot: we help our allies
me: no you just expand your empire
hotshot: if you friend was getting the sh*t kicke dout of him would you help him
hotshot: i guess not
me: depends what he did
me: if he was being stupid probiably not
hotshot: bully
me: bully?
hotshot: just likes to pick on him because he is smaller
me: you are the one invading random countries just because you can
me: you mean like america invading iraq just because they were smaller
hotshot: you know go help out at a vfw or american legion
hotshot: those men and women deserve to be here
hotshot: you don't
me: you don't even know what you are talking about
hotshot: because you think all the americans who have died for this country died for nothing
me: they didn't die for america
hotshot: they died for each other
hotshot: they did die for america
hotshot: and if i have to, i will
hotshot: i don't want to
me: invading random little countries is not defending america
hotshot: when the bullets started flying they fought for each other
hotshot: like brothers
hotshot: Col. Hal Moore
hotshot: Good day
hotshot: i have nothing more to say to people like you
me: go defend america

 

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you could have just said that you and the other guy disagreed, you know.
you just wasted like 5 minutes of my life, that i will never get back.

 

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neocons are a tricky kind of stupid, right up there with zionists but not quite as foul as liberals

 

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Whenever you contact military men like that who think we hate our military all because we hate our leaders, just show them this quote:

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger

Maybe they'll finally learn the difference.

- N

 

military members =/= neocons

 

lol, military members=neocons, I hope that i'm right in thinking your joking.

 

Protip- no one reads aim logs longer than 10 lines.

 

Ahh look at that ignorant liberal idiots trying to talk about stuff they don't know anything about...

 

um, just because some kid fresh out of high school signs up to the army so he can go to college doesnt mean he is a neocon.
"neocon" is a political affiliation.
for a bit of clarity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon

in short, political affiliations have nothing to do with whether someone is in the military or not. thats just dumb.

 

The dumbshit is a neocon but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is going to attempt to plague our military...

Has more to do with its imperialistic tendancies than the fact that it wants to be in the military.

 

you have no common sense, angrybellsprout.

you should be thankful for EVERY person who joins your nation's military. they are offering themselves to serve YOU in the long run.

imperialism is another subject altogether.
we were talking about neocons, remember?

 

No I shouldn't be thankful for every person in the military.

There are some really sick bastards in the military. Thankfully they seem to be a small minority, but they still exist.

Then again why do I have the feeling that you didn't even read the conversation?

The military has been abused for years, it isn't used to serve the American people, but to serve the neocon agenda. Sure there are a lot of good people in there who do want to serve the American people, but they never get the chance to do so.

 

i am probably the only person that DID read that long, drawn out conversation.

 

They are slightly less annoying than idiots on message boards who think posting protracted chat logs of inane conversations is tantamount to a worthwhile contribution.

 

If you read the conversation then why do you play as if you can't figure out the difference between the two?

 

Well I never want to talk to you on AIM

 

Why?

Just don't be a complete idiot like that guy was...

 

just because someone disagrees with you, doesnt mean they are a complete idiot.

 

Why do you keep claiming that you read the transcript, when it is obvious that you didn't?

That guy was a complete idiot.

 

sure did.
i allow other folks to have opinions that differ from mine.
thats the difference between us, angrybellsprout.

at any rate, this thread is wildly annoying.