are we already there?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Mahaintex, Dec 16, 2005.

  1. Mahaintex Registered Senior Member

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    I'm interested in your takes on this.
     
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  5. Mahaintex Registered Senior Member

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    sorry...working on it
     
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  7. Mahaintex Registered Senior Member

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  8. te jen Registered Senior Member

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    The person who made the comparisons had to stretch things pretty far in most of the examples. As I have said on other threads, communism is not a tenable way of life for humans. It stifles the natural drive for creativity and acquisitveness, and the totalitarian techniques required to enforce it wipes out any benefits on the plus side of the ledger.

    That the United States appears to have some governmental attributes reminiscent of communist thought is the result of faulty logic. To take just one example:

    "8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft."

    Women have been in the workplace since long before the 1920s. In any event, I think that when women entered the workforce in massive numbers in the late fifties and early sixties (voluntarily, for the mopst part) it created a labor glut, driving down real wages. The follow-on effects of globalization wrecked the United States' manufacturing capacity, which further changed the market to one of low-wage service jobs. Now both spouses have to work to make ends meet. If this had been the goal of the U.S. government, then they went about it in an extremely clumsy way.

    The writer suggests that the ERA mandated women to work. The ERA simply stated that "Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.". It didn't get ratified, so toss out that argument.

    The writer also cites a host of other laws and social structures without bothering to explain how they might fit the thesis - this is because any argument that could be made could be shot down easily. It is more effective to just allude to them than to be specific.

    This is a poorly thought-out argument with an almost total lack of convincing evidence or logic.
     
  9. loki_ghost Registered Senior Member

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    ''nothing changes'', ''everything is different''. ''we'' stay the same.

    regards,

    loki
     
  10. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    We are very far from communism, so was the USSR, by the way. Under Bush, we are seeing increased privitization of the army and prison system, and decreased regulation of corporations. What is similar is the destruction of civil liberties, secret prisons with no due process under law, no balance of power. This all resembles fascism, not communism.
     
  11. Mahaintex Registered Senior Member

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    i have yet to see anyone tackle the planks one by one....really interested to see the debate taken seriously
     

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