Pluto

[mstarry]

A planet or no?
I have found this debate ineresting, there is so much information out there!

[mathman]

A planet is an astronomical object so defined by astronomers. Whether or not Pluto is one depends on what the definition is.

[URI]

It would appear that Pluto and Charion are lost moons of Neptune.

Neptune and Pluto are within the same gravity wave node
and evidence is that Pluto et al orbits within and without the orbit of Neptune

They both have a quantum number of 17

Pluto would have a quantum number of 18 if it was a planet........ and be a lot further away from the Sun.

Warning
[not established thought]

[orcot]

What do you mean with quantum numbre?
Anyway a planet is defiant as a celestial body of a relative large size orbiting the sun, that doesn't shine out of hisself.

This isn't a really a good definition. So you can argue it's status.

By the way it's verry unlickly that pluto was ever a moon of neptune. Because basicly pluto is yust a oort cloud object (this means their are many more).
And it's even possible that Neptunes largest moon Triton is a captured oort cloud object

[Boris2]

>>>>What do you mean with quantum numbre?

http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/elements_as_atoms/quantum_numbers.html

[URI]

All the planets form an energy series
N / pi^2n

where n is the quantum number and N is the wave number
Mercury N = (3/2)*pi and n = 9
Neptune N = pi and n = 17

[mathman]

http://www.nineplanets.org/kboc.html

It's not the Oort cloud, it is the Kuiper belt. Look at the above website for discussion of both.

[Facial]

Holy crap. Where's Lucas???

[Lucas]

I'm pulling my hair out reading the posts of URI
Evidently planets don't have quantum numbers, and I can't make out what is the meaning of "Neptune and Pluto are within the same gravity wave node"

URI: try not to state such outlandish affirmations, or at least ,do inform that this is your personal theory, not mainstream facts. Thanks

[URI]

personal analysis.

I won't post any more here

bye

[Xylene]

Pluto--along with the small moons that are orbiting large planets--will have tidal bulges set into their icy crusts. High Tide Mountains.

[orcot]

Will Pluto have tidal bulges afther being in a tidal lock for so long?

[leopold99]

A planet or no?
I have found this debate ineresting, there is so much information out there!
pluto is classified as a planet.

[Ophiolite]

Currently.

[Mr Anonymous]

pluto is classified as a planet.

Not to mention a tediously awful Disney cartoon character - why the hell would a mouse have a dog for a friend anyway?! :mad:

[blobrana]

“Frost has been seen vaporising on Pluto for the first time, though the pictures of it were taken in the 1930s, soon after the dwarf planet was discovered.
A team led by Bradley Schaefer from Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge measured Pluto's brightness on 32 photographic plates taken at US observatories in 1933 and 1934. Using modern techniques, the team was able to measure Pluto's brightness far more accurately than at the time.”

Read more (http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19826575.800?DCMP=NLC-nletter&nsref=mg19826575.800)


Title: Pluto's Light Curve in 1933-1934
Authors: Bradley E. Schaefer, Marc W. Buie, Luke Timothy Smith

We are reporting on a new accurate photographic light curve of Pluto for 1933-1934 when the heliocentric distance was 40 AU. We used 43 B-band and V-band images of Pluto on 32 plates taken on 15 nights from 19 March 1933 to 10 March 1934. Most of these plates were taken with the Mount Wilson 60" and 100" telescopes, but 7 of the plates (now at the Harvard College Observatory) were taken with the 12" and 16" Metcalf doublets at Oak Ridge...

Read more (http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0805/0805.2097.pdf) (642kb, PDF)

[Forceman]

Pluto is currently considered a planetestimal and therefore is no longer a planet. It is probably a kuiper belt object aquired by the gravitational field of the sun. I find the following pattern quite odd: the arrangement of the planets(including pluto before its dismissal) from mercury to pluto includes: rocky,rocky,rocky,rocky,gas,gas,gas,gas, and then rocky. It is most probable that the next planet should have been a gas giant, but a kuiper belt object was pulled into the sun's gravitational field-my theory that either the nebula mass was dispersed from our proto solar system or it was depleted in the formation of the solar system.

[blobrana]

"Pluto's dazzling red stands in sharp contrast to the greys of its three moons Hydra, Nix and Charon. The moons' similarity was thought to be because the trio were created at the same time from the same material in a massive smash in the early solar system.
Now Alan Stern at the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, Texas, has another idea: two of the moons, Nix and Hydra, are spray-painting Pluto and Charon with their dust."

Read more (http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19826594.900-do-pluto-and-its-moons-feature-cosmic-graffiti.html)

[draqon]

I call it an asteroid. Scientist call it a planetoid.

[MacGyver1968]

I call it a dog from Disney. :)

[ElectricFetus]

I hate the astronomers new termonology, leave it to astronomers to come up with really awful unexciting names! "Black holes" and "white dwarfs", come on! Now "Quasar" was an exception. Now this "Dwarf planet" term, fuck that! I want a single word name along the lines of asteroid, comet, planet, etc, I don't know I'm bad with names too, they should get a team of marketers fluent in latin to come up with something really snazy!

[draqon]

planetoid is one name...frenzy gal

[ElectricFetus]

planetoid is one name...frenzy gal

yeah but it is not official... micropenis.

[Prince_James]

I call this thread aggregious thread necromancy.

Look at the God damn fucking dates, people.

[draqon]

yeah but it is not official... micropenis.

I never said anything about the girth.

[Janus58]

I hate the astronomers new termonology, leave it to astronomers to come up with really awful unexciting names! "Black holes" and "white dwarfs", come on! Now "Quasar" was an exception. Now this "Dwarf planet" term, fuck that! I want a single word name along the lines of asteroid, comet, planet, etc, I don't know I'm bad with names too, they should get a team of marketers fluent in latin to come up with something really snazy!

Astronomical names have always been simply descriptive. Comet and planet are ancient and just translate to "hairy star" and "wanderer". This literally what they where called originally.
Asteroid means "star like". (because to the telescopes of the time they simply appeared as points of light).
Quasar is a contraction of Quasi-stellar object. Again, a descriptive term.

Astronomy calls them as they sees them. If you don't like it, too bad. Maybe you can wait around until English becomes an ancient language and Black Holes have become "blakols" and Dwarf Planets have become "Dwaplans"

[draqon]

Astronomy calls them as they sees them. If you don't like it, too bad. Maybe you can wait around until English becomes an ancient language and Black Holes have become "blakols" and Dwarf Planets have become "Dwaplans"

The language of future will be math ... and than there will be no language at all in the end.

[eburacum45]

Pluto, as mentioned above, is currently classified as a dwarf planet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet
there are only three recognised members of that class at the moment, the others being Ceres and Eris. But this will probably change as more bodies are discovered.

[Prince_James]

I should also like to note that the definition of "planet" is utterly without merit. Lumping in the terrestial and jovian planets are absurd. They are hardly at all the same type of thing. Pluto and Ceres are closer to Earth and Mars in terms of composition than Jupiter and Saturn. We should therefore recognize them as planets.

[DeepThought]

The language of future will be math ... and than there will be no language at all in the end.


As it was in the beginning, so it shall be in the end.

Time and space make all the difference.

Who wants to conquer a hill?

[synthesizer-patel]

I should also like to note that the definition of "planet" is utterly without merit. Lumping in the terrestial and jovian planets are absurd. They are hardly at all the same type of thing. Pluto and Ceres are closer to Earth and Mars in terms of composition than Jupiter and Saturn. We should therefore recognize them as planets.

I know what you mean - however composition alone shouldn't be the decider - apparently Titan is one of the most earth-like bodies in the solar system for example. So orbit is clearly part of the classification in some way - which tends to rule Pluto out again of course :confused:

[synthesizer-patel]

BTW - this thread reminded me of one by one of the most notorious fundie creationist loonies on the web - her name is Carico and here's the quote on her misunderstanding over Pluto no longer being classisifed as a planet - its hilarious:


So now that Pluto is considered a star, not a planet, where does its light come from? Did it suddenly burst into flames and generate its own light? No, it didn't. It's light is the same light that is reflected off Mars. So the claims by scientists that stars generate their own light is sheer nonsense. It's as much speculation as speculating on how many stars there are in the universe.


the full thread is here:

http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?p=918644&mode=linear#post918644

:roflmao:

[ElectricFetus]

Astronomical names have always been simply descriptive. Comet and planet are ancient and just translate to "hairy star" and "wanderer". This literally what they where called originally.
Asteroid means "star like". (because to the telescopes of the time they simply appeared as points of light).
Quasar is a contraction of Quasi-stellar object. Again, a descriptive term.

Astronomy calls them as they sees them. If you don't like it, too bad. Maybe you can wait around until English becomes an ancient language and Black Holes have become "blakols" and Dwarf Planets have become "Dwaplans"

So? All the names for Dinosaurs are simple descriptions too, but see paleontologists got a system: use a dead language! They did not wait for the language to mutate like your proposing. This way few can track what the annoyingly simply meaning is and the name instead invokes an emotional meaning. Astronomers should have kept the same procedure.

[phlogistician]

BTW - this thread reminded me of one by one of the most notorious fundie creationist loonies on the web - her name is Carico and here's the quote on her misunderstanding over Pluto no longer being classisifed as a planet - its hilarious:



the full thread is here:

http://www.christiandiscussionforums.org/v/showthread.php?p=918644&mode=linear#post918644

:roflmao:


Dude, that's some funny shit, and that 'Carico' is incredibly dumb. It amazes me that someone that stupid can work a computer.

She refers to 'evolutionists' too, obviously too dumb to separate cosmology, abiogenesis and evolution, the sign of a true fundie idiot.

I see she got herself suspended/banned, ... what was that for?

[synthesizer-patel]

Dude, that's some funny shit, and that 'Carico' is incredibly dumb. It amazes me that someone that stupid can work a computer.

She refers to 'evolutionists' too, obviously too dumb to separate cosmology, abiogenesis and evolution, the sign of a true fundie idiot.

I see she got herself suspended/banned, ... what was that for?

Dunno I was never a member of the site for long - too many nutters - Carico had already been banned when I arrived, but I came across several of her whackier posts.

You can look up a list of them on the Fundies say the darndest things website

(www.fstdt.com)

http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/search.aspx

[phlogistician]

Dunno I was never a member of the site for long - too many nutters - Carico had already been banned when I arrived, but I came across several of her whackier posts.

You can look up a list of them on the Fundies say the darndest things website

(www.fstdt.com)

http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/search.aspx


Hoo boy, you know, I'm glad she got banned, 'cos that site could have ended up being a huge timesink!

Ta for the fundies link,... a quick search shows what a total loon she really was.

[Janus58]

So? All the names for Dinosaurs are simple descriptions too, but see paleontologists got a system: use a dead language! They did not wait for the language to mutate like your proposing. This way few can track what the annoyingly simply meaning is and the name instead invokes an emotional meaning. Astronomers should have kept the same procedure.

What purpse would it be to call a "white dwarf" a niveusparvusastrum or a black hole a nigercavus? (BTW the term collapsar (Collapsed star) was originally coined for Black holes, it just never got widespread acceptance.)


Astronomers do have a system. For instance, red dwarf is just a common usage name for a MV star. (spectral class M, luminousity class V)

[ElectricFetus]

What purpse would it be to call a "white dwarf" a niveusparvusastrum or a black hole a nigercavus? (BTW the term collapsar (Collapsed star) was originally coined for Black holes, it just never got widespread acceptance.)


Astronomers do have a system. For instance, red dwarf is just a common usage name for a MV star. (spectral class M, luminousity class V)

I'm aware of this, my point is astronomer's system of common terminology could be a lot more creative, aesthetically pleasing and language preference neutral, if you disagree then you likely know little on how to appeal to the very public that might be funding you. As for you suggested names seriously try harder, don't just directly translate a crapy english name into a crapy latin name, start by thinking of a new name in latin!