This is why paying tax's is necessary

Who ever said anything was for free ? Well ! All that money from those TAX CUTS had to come from somewhere and it is at the expense of your infrastructure .

That is where those TAX CUTS for the filthy rich have taken America straight too the 3rd world .

 

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^^the one good thing about bush's election^^

 

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.....I just can't figure out why so many folks are willing to die to come to this "crumbling" nation........if only we didn't have to spend all this money to keep people OUT! Must be something in other nations' water.........

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I'm curious ....should the FEDERAL government pay for fixing state and county roads and bridges? Isn't that the role of state and county taxes? And water supply systems? I think that also comes under state and county authority. So what does FEDERAL taxes have to do with all of it??

The "power grid"? Isn't that private industry? And if so, what the hell is the federal government sticking their noses into it for? Are we leaning THAT heavily towards socialism these days????

And what, pray tell, does the FEDERAL government have to do with how many hours people spend on the road versus time with families?? Is being stuck in rush-hour traffic somehow the responsibility of the FEDERAL government.

Socialism? I think that's what this post is all about ...not taxes or tax cuts. It seems that you just want more and more socialism in this country. And I hope that doesn't happen in my lifetime.

Baron Max

 

Immigrants from the Third World that is , not from economically advanced nations of Westrn Europe and Japan .

 

Under a socialist system you would not pay any taxes that ought to appeal to you .

 

Federal taxes fix only the Interstate System. The IS was mandated under Eisenhower to permit rapid transportation of ICBMs around the country in the fifties so the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics wouldn't dare attack Australia. Responsibility for maintenance went along with that.

State highways are the responsibility of the states, county roads of the counties, and city streets of the cities.

Remember when a grid breakdown propagated through stations in Quebec? There's a national interest there. People are going to pay anyway, through user fees and rates and through local, state and Federal taxes. Because it's so big, and made up of so many different private grids, it's in the best interest to provide national standards and co-ordination.

You're right. There's a time, place and occasion for Federal involvement. But they don't need to wipe our noses for us. Brian thinks the People's Democratic Republic of Australia should hold the hankie for all Aussies - at least he claims to be Australian.

 

There goes English grammar again. Please translate that, Brian. Does it mean:

Under a socialist system you would not pay any taxes. That ought to appeal to you .​

If so, where would the expense to pay for your dream of free medical care, education, food, clothing, housing, transportation, etc., come from? Oh yes, and someone to hold the hankie!

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Fuck............

Simple all infrastructural industries such as the Post Office , Electricity , Telecommunications , Road an Rail etc would be nationalized and revenue from these industries would fund free health care and education and affordable housing . Like what we in Australia used too have in the 1950's to the 1970s .

 

Tryt to explain that to the average ignorant American.....

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This is why democracy doesn't work, people cannot make decissions if they don't have a clue about the consequences of those decisions. Most people are completely economically illeterate. For instance, minimum wage is often thought to be something positive, while it actually increases unemployment.

 

If that system was so great, why'd ya' get rid of it?

Baron Max

 

Oh, sure they can! Lots of us "average, ignorant Americans" do it every single day, day in, day out. Of course we can make decisions.

And just so you know, America is NOT a democracy ...it's a representative democracy. I.e., we make "average, ignorant" decisions and elect politicians to make all those big, important, world-shattering decisions for us. In that way we can complain and bitch and moan and pretend that we had nothing to do with the results of those decisions!

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Baron Max

 

Well, don't forget you have a whole lot of direct democracy going on as well....
Not to mention that electing Bush is as ignorant as approving a bill for shaving the heads of all immigrants.....

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Well, yes, but not for us "average, ignorant" Americans ....if I read you meaning correctly, of course.

Well, that's your judgement, isn't it? Isn't it obvious to you that the majority of American voters saw things a bit differently to your judgement? So who's "right"?

Baron Max

 

We never had any choice in 1983 the Hawke Labour goverment came to power and instituted these freemarket reforms . Australians were told this was the best way and like sheep they followed . Same as Reagan in 1981 and Tatcher in 1979 compare creditor nation America 1960 with debt ridden America 2005 its as easy as that .

 

Dont you worry we in Australia have our fair share of the more than gullible .

Its actually a plutocracy we live in , a true democracy the political parties would be accountable to the people insted under this plutocratic set up its the privately run central banks which they answer too .

Ronald Reagan was also on a speaking trip to Japan the audience of media were orderd not ask any questions on economics . Yet reading some of the clowns on this forum who back Reaganism they argue he was an economic genius .

Or how the goverment juggles and distorts the true unemployment figures .

 

While everyone is sort of correct, even the original report that started this thread, The USA is still close to front runner in most respects. We and most of the world are practicing brinkmanship, so disaster may occur soon. We should not be surprised that people are anxious to come to the USA from third world contries, but not from contries about as good as the USA in most respects.
While Socialism produces short term advantages for the poor, incompetent, disabled, unethical etc, it produces evolution in reverse for most humans. In my opinion most of the so called progress has been in spite of Socialism and (USA type) Liberal ideas.
Support Libertarian = liberty = freedom = lots less government = abolish the income tax and replace it with nothing. Make government function on much less money. We can safely elect 70% Libertarian candidates with almost no down side for reasonably competent and honorable humans in my opinion. I conceed that we need to shift from big to village and neighborhood and limit the wealth and power of the obscenely rich. The medium rich are causing few problems and they are likely essential to society Neil

 

You don't get this, eh?
Direct democracy means that you vote directly on a new law. In some states in the US, you can actually come up with a completely stupid law, and if you have enough signatures, you pass it. That is what I was talking about.

Oh.... the good olde ad populum fallacy.......

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Yes, that's quite true. The media makes it worse. Well, here, CanWest owns most of the media, and everything is obviously distorted to suit to the Liberal's point of view. Yuck... The price of sovereignty is very high.....

Nice to see a class analyst around.....

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Hehehe...
Well.... economy is something tricky... There are a lot of variables that you always need to take into consideration, not to mention that you often need to compare everything in order to make sense of the information and try to find the true causes of a certain problem.

I think we need a more straightforward model of economics........

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Yes, indeed. I'm doing a research for political science class and it is just a pain.... In the Liberal's website, the unemployment was 6.1%, but the opposing party said that it actually is 8.5%. That is, not considering underemployment and those who gave up on finding work.

It's a pain to find reliable information. In one had we have those rich clowns controlling the media, and on the other hand we also have conspiracy theorists and people that are just not good enough at analizing the whole picture. It's hard........!

 

A smaller government would be helpfull, but the issue is more complex than this. Would you like a profit-driven educational institution teaching your kids?