PROOF of MARTIAN CIVILIZATION

[extrasense]

A "brick" object was discovered on Mars,
with size about 120x120x20 mm.

What are the chances that such an object was formed by coincidence? They are far less than for 10 lottery drawings in a row, to produce the same numbers.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PROOF:

1. Chances of a naturally produced rock of about 10x10x3 mm being a rectungular shape, are less than 1/10, we know it from observtions on the Earth and of Mars pictures.
It is a rule of statistical physics, that
p(V2) = p(V1)**(V2/V1)

in out case V2/V1= (120*120*20)/(10*10*3) = 956
p(V2)=<1.0e-956

Let us say that every pixel on the 1000000 of Mars pictures could be a rock; it gives N=1.0e+12 rocks

Expected number of rectangular rocks of volume V2 then would be N*p(V2) = 1.0e-944

What it means is that if it were a coincidentally formed rock, then to get the picture of a brick that we have, we would need to photograph Mars about /google in power ten/ years in a row, which is still about /google in power ten/ times longer than our universe has existed!
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http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/spirit/pancam/2005-02-14/2P161074019EFFA300P2519L7M1.JPG

Brick is on the upper left.

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[phlogistician]

Looks more like a discarded cigarette packet to me, ....

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What are the chances that such an object was formed by coincidence?
We have a big big big universe, chances of something happening are big big big. ;)

[extrasense]

Looks more like a discarded cigarette packet to me, .... Was it rover smoking something?

[spuriousmonkey]

I'd say it is a can of mackerel on tomatosauce.

[extrasense]

We have a big big big universe, chances of something happening are big big big. ;) What a mistake: The Universe is pretty small

[spuriousmonkey]

Aliens were on earth too. They left a face of an old man facing towards space.

http://www.judnick.com/images/RI_NaragansettPier_OldMansFaceNPRI-100_small.JPG

what are the odds of that?

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What a mistake: The Universe is pretty small
Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the drug store, but that's just peanuts to space.
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[spuriousmonkey]

Wait a sec. Owner of brick found on mars.

http://www.meteorlab.com/METEORLAB2001dev/labphoto/Field2.jpg

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MY ALL TIME FAVOURITE ALIEN!!
http://ptsg.eecs.berkeley.edu/~peterm/gifs/martian.gif

[Gondolin]

Are you sure its a brick.... you sure it isnt nothing?

[Communist Hamster]

Great, but where are the other bricks? Did this happen?

Martian 1: Look at our mighty civilisation!
Martian 2: We have created the ultimate object... A brick!
Martian 1: Wow, to even think that we could create this single brick...
Martian 2: Yeah, It's a big improvement over all these other mysterious hunks of rock we cut into interesting shapes.
Martian 1: And that giant face pointing up. What a waste of Gxalzors.
Martian 2: Hey, let's all die out conveniently leaving NO TRACE of our civilisation except some mysteriously shaped rocks.

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What's a gxalzor? :confused:

[extrasense]

More than one brick was pictured by rover on that day

[spidergoat]

What about quartz crystals? They fracture into almost perfect geometric shapes, does that mean they are artificial?

[Ophiolite]

Extrasense, it seems you need some extra tuition in geology, logic and statistics.
{I'll forego mentioning your spelling of googol, as I don't want to offend.}

[spidergoat]

If you want to get excited about life on Mars, read this:

---A leading European Space Agency scientist says he has found a gas in the Martian atmosphere that he believes can only be explained by the presence of life. But the few researchers who have been privy to the facts say that such a conclusion is premature.---

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7014

[extrasense]

What about quartz crystals? They fracture into almost perfect geometric shapes, does that mean they are artificial?

That means that they are not random rocks, but crystals. This brick is not a crystal.

Crystals like this need a lot of water under high pressure to grow.

Even more importently, they still follow the size disribution that everything in the nature has, exp -E/kT.
This means that we would have observed a lot more smaller crystalls than big ones - and we did not observe them at all.

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[extrasense]

Extrasense, it seems you need some extra tuition in geology, logic and statistics... Well, I am already MS in the Theoretical Physics...
Could it be some sort of substitute credentials?

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[extrasense]

If you want to get excited about life on Mars, read this:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7014

The so called science has totally degenerated, and is lying through its teeth together with the so called media.


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[spidergoat]

The brick may not be one crystal, but I'm willing to bet it could have a microcrystalline structure, which would lend itself to fracturing in somewhat geometrical shapes. I have often found, while walking along a streambed, rocks that resemble squares or rectangles, sometimes spheres.

If the martian rock was a brick, where are the other bricks? You can't make much with one brick.

[Communist Hamster]

It was the high pinnacle of martian achivement!

[extrasense]

If the martian rock was a brick, where are the other bricks? You can't make much with one brick.
Did not I have mentioned, that second brick was photographed same day by the same rover?
It has been...

[geodesic]

That object is too hard to be a brick. Sandstorms on the Martian surface would have worn the sharp edges down if it was. And any civilization that uses bricks hard enough to last as long as you are suggesting relatively undamaged would not have disappeared except for a single 'brick'.

[spidergoat]

wow, two bricks? Man, that's almost the Great Wall of Mars.

[extrasense]

..any civilization that uses bricks hard enough to last as long as you are suggesting relatively undamaged would not have disappeared except for a single 'brick'.

I has not disappeared at all. Look at my website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/extrasense

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[extrasense]

wow, two bricks? Man, that's almost the Great Wall of Mars. a cornerstone it is

[Ophiolite]

Well, I am already MS in the Theoretical Physics...
Could it be some sort of substitute credentials?

Without meaning to be too unkind, does MS stand for Missing Something?

[extrasense]

Without meaning to be too unkind, does MS stand for Missing Something? Be my guest. In your case you might be right

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[btimsah]

Extrasense, nice image.

You can tell that you're image is anomalous in that they cannot offer any actual suggestions as to what it is. Well, okay a few did, yay for them. But many others just ridiculed you're suggestion that it's a in the shape of a perfect brick, without any substance.

They will never welcome such an image, and will always debunk it.

I am not sure if you know but space.com is reporting that NASA scientists claim there's evidence for current life on Mars and have submitted it for peer review. http://www.space.com/ The headliner..

[btimsah]

Although, I'm still not sure why the Labled Release experiment by Gill Levin is not being mentioned. In my mind he's the FIRST person responsible for discovering life on Mars. It will be interesting to see what happens with that. Because if the NASA scientists are correct, then so was Levin and NASA WAS EITHER LYING OR IGNORANT. Which answer do we want?

[extrasense]

NASA scientists claim there's evidence for current life on Mars and have submitted it for peer review. http://www.space.com/
I must say that it was not me who discovered the brick. I had recognized its special importance although, and produced the proof.

These are trying to play dirty tricks: an Italian has made noises about that stuff, so the pseudosience nutcakes of ours are trying to steal his discovery if any.
Do you believe that such an article would be in peer review for more than half a year? My articles about the Life and Civilization on Mars were "reviewed" and rejected in two weeks!

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[Ophiolite]

I've posted this before -

I believe there is a reasonable chance that the Viking landers in 1976 detected life. For those of you unfamiliar with this possibility, here is a good starting place:
http://www.biospherics.com/mars/
This is an extract from the site:
In 1997, Biospherics' President and CEO,
Dr. Gilbert V. Levin, announced his new conclusion that his 1976 Viking Labeled Release (LR) life detection experiment found living microorganisms in the soil of Mars.
Objective application of the scientific process to 21 years of continued research and to new developments on Mars and Earth forced this conclusion. Of all the many hypotheses offered over the years to explain the LR Mars results, the only possibility fitting all the relevant data is that microbial life exists in the top layer of the Martian surface.

However, btimsah, there is a large difference between microbial life and entities capable of producing bricks. In the case of the Earth the difference is about three billion years.

[extrasense]

---three billion years.---

What about this pyramid from Mars, dear doubting Thomas?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mycommon/2005-02-06-2N160995620EFFA300P1821R0M1-greg.jpg

The time has run on Mars too, has not it?

PS. It is a 3D image, so use your 3D glasses, please.

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ah, a computer edited 3d image!! A pyramid!! Yes, of course. :D
p.s. from what shithole do I get 3d glasses anyways?

[Ophiolite]

I'm still trying to figure out how a two dimensional character, with a one dimensional idea, came up with a three dimensional image. (Is he stringing us along?)

[extrasense]

. from what ... do I get 3d glasses anyways?

You can get them for $3 from
http://www.timstradingpost.com/google

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[geodesic]

I has not disappeared at all. Look at my website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/extrasenseWell, I had a look at your site, and you do have rather a large number of pictures of the Martian desert, but I failed to spot any civilization, or relics thereof. As for your suggestion of brontosauri on Mars...

[Ophiolite]

Well, extrasense, I too have visited your website. As a gesture of comradeship I would be happy to correct the many spelling errors on the site.... I presume wherever you acquired your degree took only a passing interest in accurate English.
I am not flaming you, I just find such a dense jungle of mistakes abhorrent and would feel better if they were corrected.

[btimsah]

:rolleyes:

[suzukisfrog]

so martians are my daddy? far out. :eek:

[extrasense]

so martians are my daddy? far out. :eek:
are not we all related - regardles it being far out?

[extrasense]

.. I would be happy to correct the many spelling errors on the site....

Thanks. It would be nice of you to do so.
Did you like the Martian girl?

[extrasense]

Well, I had a look at your site,.. but I failed to spot any civilization, or relics thereof. As for your suggestion of brontosauri on Mars...
Have not you notice the concrete work? The angle on it is 90 degrees.
Did you notice that the Martian wears a suit, and Martian girl a head jewelry?

I have a lot of pictures that prove the life and civilization, but are not on the website/yet/

What about a perfect pyramid? Would it convince you? A coin? The ptroglyphs?

By the way, you need 3D glasses to really make a judgement, please get them soon.

ES

[btimsah]

Have not you notice the concrete work? The angle on it is 90 degrees.
Did you notice that the Martian wears a suit, and Martian girl a head jewelry?

I have a lot of pictures that prove the life and civilization, but are not on the website/yet/

What about a perfect pyramid? Would it convince you? A coin? The ptroglyphs?

By the way, you need 3D glasses to really make a judgement, please get them soon.

ES

Extrasense, if you post those images they will demand that the images be moved to the pseudoscience section. Then the pseudoscience section will lock you're thread because "the debate will never end".

Their goal is to end all discussion of this topic. That's why they engage you at all. They hate "bad science" and see this as that and will continually seek to destroy it! lol Just a warning! :)

[extrasense]

--- to end all discussion ---
Anti-scientific and pseudo-scientific bunch is firmly in control.

Quantum-computing, Global-warming, etc.

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How is quantum computing related to global warming, to martian civilization?

[extrasense]

Quantum computing is a malignant pseudoscience.
So is fossil fuel pollution caused global warming.
So is NASA planetology pseudoscience.
So is Marxist pseudo-theory.
etc, etc, etc

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I think you have had too much weed.

[vslayer]

has anyone thought tha maybe it was just a fragment of metamorphic rock, similar to slate

[(Q)]

No bricks here. :)