Poll on 'Abortion = ??' [Just Curious]

[jadedflower]

Please don't use this thread to debate about Abortion.

I'm just wondering how many people in here think that it is morally wrong.

It's an anon poll... so feel free to stand up and be counted :)

[Dreamwalker]

I don´t give a fuck.

[jadedflower]

interesting choice of words.

[Lemming3k]

I cant vote since i think people have a right to choose, but its not just the womans right, it takes two to make a baby and it shouldnt be up to one person alone if it has a chance to live or not, since they both have to live with that decision.

[jadedflower]

just vote for right; imagine it's a single mother or something.

[Logically Unsound]

i say right, but that doesnt mean i think that they dont have a choice, and that the father doesnt have a say in it as well.
both should have a part in the discussion, but im not having a discusion about it because of the long thread about it already in action....

[jadedflower]

two votes.... only two...
*sigh*

[Logically Unsound]

why dont you vote?


and the point has been quite pushed in the arbortion thread......

[jadedflower]

I don't want arguments pro/against... I just wanna know the # of ppl on each side.

[Logically Unsound]

well if you were bored you could got hrough ALLLLLL the threads in the world and count them....................................

[jadedflower]

a whole 4 votes *sigh*

[Dreamwalker]

Yeah, and me the only one who doesn´t care. :cool:

[CounslerCoffee]

I believe it is a Moral/Religious Issue, and is WRONG

[Thor]

I think the woman has the right to choose and religious/moral people shouldn't impose their beliefs on others.

[jadedflower]

whee... 6 voters =P

[spuriousmonkey]

The poll is biased.

It can be a moral issue and still be viewed as right.

[Dr Lou Natic]

Yeah i was going to say its biased, the options should have been;
* for
* against
* don't care

Not that I really want to discuss the issue but the whole "woman has a right to choose" argument has always confused me. I don't think thats the issue at all. I am definately for abortions but not because women want them. I'd prefer if they were used as a punishment for women who wanted a child but were forbidden to have one by the dr lou natic regime.

[Dreamwalker]

Go ahead, I don´t care :D

After all, I am not a woman. So go and punish the dumb bitches.
All hail Dr Lou Natic.

[Porfiry]

I believe the woman has a right to chose; I say RIGHT

Just because one believes that the woman has the right to choose does not mean one believes abortion is right. I support the right of choice, but I'm morally ambivalent on the actual activity.

[CounslerCoffee]

I support the right of choice, but I'm morally ambiguous on the actual activity.

I agree with this statement. I believe abortion to be wrong, morally and ethically. I think it's the woman’s right to choose if she’s going to hell or not.

[jadedflower]

>Just because one believes that the woman has the right to choose does not mean
>one believes abortion is right.

Hmm... I don't understand. How can you believe the woman has a right to chose, and then if she choses to abort you condemn her?

I'm not entierly against abortion, what disgusts me is the people who do it twice, three times, four... the woman on TV a few nights ago who'd have 11 abortions........!!!!!

[Lemming3k]

Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times or more and shes just plain stupid.

[Dreamwalker]

Isn´t it cheaper to use contraceptives?

[spidergoat]

That is an interesting thought lemming3k, perhaps one abortion is acceptable, but two or three should result in escalating fines, to be used by the gov. for educational puposes, after all, it should be a last resort.

[Lemming3k]

it should be a last resort.
Indeed, the choice should be there but it shouldnt be used as a primary method to stop being stuck with a kid, the problem is accidents can happen more than once, even when protection is used, perhaps if the women is on the pill then more than once might be accepted as another accident.
Isn´t it cheaper to use contraceptives?
Hugely cheaper.

[water]

Just because one believes that the woman has the right to choose does not mean one believes abortion is right. I support the right of choice, but I'm morally ambivalent on the actual activity.

I too agree with this statement.


This may sound a bit twisted, but I think that the actual question when it comes to abortion is this: Should a woman, when she gets pregnant, first think of abortion or not?

Have people honestly answer this question -- and it may shed some light on the issue.

[greywolf]

i dont think the thought is as bad or as "contraversial" as the action. I'm pretty sure tons of people think of it but not everyone does it.

[StarOfEight]

Isn´t it cheaper to use contraceptives?

Yep, but the same people who want Roe vs. Wade overturned tend to be the same people opposed to the use of any other form of contraceptive.

[Sher_Punjabi]

if you bring a child into this world without the mother's love, the child is just as good as dead

what life does the child have if the mother has no feelings for its well being?

and Dreamwalker

simple yet cold hearted

[spuriousmonkey]

Who cares about a few fetuses when every year thousands of people die in car accidents (well, it is actually more than a few thousand but I forgot the exact number. It is a lot though).

Why isn't it immoral to drive a car. Don't tell me that cars don't kill. Statistics say they do. Hence no car related death can really be an 'accident'. You choose to enter the car knowing that cars kill thousands of people each year.

And these people are actually people. There is no controversy on their nature as people as there might be with a fetus.

To put things in perspective. Cars are not against religious doctrine although they are great killers and hence they are not morally wrong.

[water]

Once talking about abortion, one ought to consider that sex is originally there to make babies. If you decide to have sex, accept that you can get pregnant.

If you want sex, but not have a baby, accept that you maybe will have to have an abortion.

This talk about whether the feuts is a person or not is total BS, trying to find some sort of justification for abortion.

While the real justification for abortion is this:

"I want to have sex, but I don't want to have a baby. I use birth control, but if I will get pregnant, I will have an abortion."

Now how many of those who whine about whether the fetus is a person or not are actually having the guts to say that?!

[Dreamwalker]

if you bring a child into this world without the mother's love, the child is just as good as dead

what life does the child have if the mother has no feelings for its well being?

and Dreamwalker

simple yet cold hearted


cold hearted? Mmh, I would rather say it is a matter of perspective.
For me, a human is not worth more than a fish or a chicken. All are
animals. I don´t see a difference between killing a fetus or cooking the
eggs of fish or chicken for food.
It´s not really cold-hearted, I am indifferent.

[Lemming3k]

if you bring a child into this world without the mother's love, the child is just as good as dead
what life does the child have if the mother has no feelings for its well being?
I think this about sums it up, you shouldnt bring a child into the world you dont want, and there are plenty of children already out there waiting to be adopted or living on the streets so wheres the justification in adding to that number of people?
But we are all digressing the 1st post of this topic did say this was a poll not a debate on the subject.

[spuriousmonkey]

I thought this was a discussion forum.

[Lemming3k]

It is, but there are a few other threads for this debate and i think the idea was this is purely a poll for somebodies curiosity.

[spuriousmonkey]

You can't really expect to wave a bone in front of a dog and not expect it to lunch at it.

[Lemming3k]

I didnt start the poll, im already debating in another thread i was just pointing it out.

[jadedflower]

shh.... it's a debating forum, not a fighting forum.

I think Spurious' comment about the cars was interesting; but the usual argument is that if you die, it was an act of God. If you kill, you go against God.

[Dreamwalker]

But you can kill with a car.

[jadedflower]

Well... hmm.... eer.... well... I don't believe in God so ask someone who does :p

[Dreamwalker]

Better not, I hate to listen to their sermons and prayers.

[jadedflower]

ah, but Gospel is nice :p

[Logically Unsound]

i believe in god *sings harmoniously*
the answer id that the person who is driving the car does not kill, since the devil takes over the car, killing the person.
therefore the death was an 'act of god' (actually an act of the devil) and the person driving was not at fault.

[Kunax]

Image : doopy looking dude standing with a flower like jadedflowers new daisy logo, the flower slowly fading true all the colors of the rainbow, while he sings harmoniously "I belive in god".

... hmm it's not so funny in letters, gues you have to think in pictures.

[Logically Unsound]

Huh? Wha? etc.
i dont believe in god, i was lying in fact.

[Kunax]

I think you are lying now, You are that special little boy the catolic priests like best, and dont you like that to :).

is dont the correct word?, fells wrong.

[Logically Unsound]

ok you got me.. i am actually a 30 year old preist who lives in a small villiage in england. i spend all day collecting stamps and preparing the next sermon, except at night when i come here to be heavily sarcastic, make stupid points and secretly insult people who are to stupid to understand whats really going on, what is really, what is really going wrong.
yes it is the right word, as is this:
I DONT BELIEVE IN GOD.
most people shout it, so it might feel more right if i did it too.

[Kunax]

I think you at least have to say it in bolded caps, you know, just to make sure. And while you do that I will go back to the images in my mind, that has nothing to do with scifourms or its members.

Thanks for the correction.

[GuessWho]

A woman might have the right regarding her own body but I do not think she has the right regarding the body of the unborn baby. I should be easy to guess how I voted.

[jadedflower]

Btw; my flower ain't no daisy :D

[Logically Unsound]

no, daisies arent green..... are they?
its a sunflower aint it.

the flashing makes it hard to tell...

[jadedflower]

nope; neither. And I dyed it green, innit?: :p Meeh.. I'll change it when I can be bothered to.


Now back on track with abortion convo please.

[Logically Unsound]

i thought you said at the beginning you didnt want a debate, just voting.

HAHAHA i have foiled you.

[Logically Unsound]

btw..... ok then, is it a poppy?

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[jadedflower]

Freak!

and no, not a poppy either.

[Logically Unsound]

what makes me a freak?
errrrr marigold?

[jadedflower]

gaaah. Stop it!

[Logically Unsound]

What.
1010101010101010

[Kunax]

is it a Margorit, ok bad joke away :), but it looks so familiar.

edit: Is it from a plant you can make a hot drink of, to get better when you are cold

[jadedflower]

dunno.

But where is the joke?? Margorit?

[Logically Unsound]

?????????????????? im an imbecile, i dont get it.
?the hawian jumanga frog-eating plant?


btw, on course with this discussion i think everythings been covered. people have different views, noone can do anything about it, until the next generation comes to power, and then whoevers in charge can brainwash the NEXT generation into believing ONLY ONE view, then it will be settled, and probably not before.....

[Kunax]

nvm, simple referances to other threads nothing else.

kamille

[Logically Unsound]

what does nvm mean? is that another of those netspeak new-fangled whatchermejigs.

[Kunax]

its pretty old, means "never mind"

[jadedflower]

noooo! Explain joke!

[Logically Unsound]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i understand now. very drool.

[SaddamnYouALL!]

I think abortion should be legalized immediately, maybe we can stop the birth of the next Justin Timberlake or Nelly or Ronald Reagan.

[Logically Unsound]

or we could accidentally halt the second (or third, i dont know) coming of Jesus with one abortion. LOL i bet wed feel stupid when we met god.

"hello god"
"wheres jesus, havent seen him lately"
"o sorry, we accidentally killed him, whoopsidaisy"
"agafhskhgshkdhkjar;oihjaoinharharoho DIE"

[Kunax]

There is no escape i guess, but its not really a joke and as i said its bad


is it a Margorit, ok bad joke away , but it looks so familiar.


You said it was not a Daisy, so I ask if it was a Margorit, which is Daisy in Danish.
The name of the flower also has another meaning, for atleast 1 of us.

This is getting worse by the minut :)...

what do you understand Logically?

[jadedflower]

.........another meaning???
I'm scared because that's my name!!

[Logically Unsound]

huh, i thought your name was margarida. soorryy for misps[elling.
i dont understand late at night.

it is dire.

[Kunax]

Margarida, Daisy, Margorit same thing does not matter, it was a simple game of word, was it realy that poorly made, guess my english is worst then i thought.

And yes the "other thing" was your name, which I did not want to post here, for the simple fact, you might not have wanted that, not that its hard to learn.

btw: many european words a simula, just start guessing and you will proberly be right.

[Logically Unsound]

howd do you know my name. i dont know what s going on anymore.

[Kunax]

Logically Unsound, that post was ofcause meant for jadedflower, and i do not know you name unless its the same a jadedflower.

[Logically Unsound]

errrrr it really isnt. i couldnt tell who you were speaking too. etc.

[Cob Nut]

The foetus is a person too - and I believe that the foetus should have every bit as much right to choose as the mother.

[mojojyo]

Not hell, exactly... but still, i feel the woman has the rights to decide whether to carry or chuck the baby out. Cuz hey men out there, you wouldnt know how it feels not to see your feet when u cant even bend down (that is if you dont have a beer belly!)