Ban Proud Muslim? [Archive]

Arditezza

05-17-04, 10:20 AM

Is he not entitled to his opinion that the Holocaust was a hoax? I don't agree with him in the slightest, but we have people here expressing all sorts of conspiracy theories that may or may not be true. The fact remains that no one has solid numbers on the Holocaust, so it leaves it open to a lot of people for interpretation. He didn't say, "I hate Jews." he called the Holocaust, a Holohoax.

You have a racist, sexist, foul-mouthed moderator who you still think should be a moderator and yet you want to ban a member for stating his opinion on history? Do you realize how backwards that is, or is it just me? You can't support it in a moderator, and chastise a member for it. What forum rule did he break? What did he do specifically that deserves your moral outrage? How is that different from people debunking other points in history, or mocking the Vietnam war?

If you want to be offended about the portrayal of the Holocaust, try the PETA site; Holocaust on Your Plate. (http://www.masskilling.com/)

spuriousmonkey

05-17-04, 10:30 AM

Maybe the people who want PM out, also have a problem with xev?

http://sciforums.*******************/pm_spuriousmonkey.gif

Arditezza

05-17-04, 11:08 AM

Maybe the people who want PM out, also have a problem with xev?

I don't think either of them should be banned, but I do think Xev has no place as a moderator.

Baal Zebul

05-17-04, 12:30 PM

Why not merely vote ban (or not) and then don't have a discussion long inaccurate discussion about it.

BTW, down with freedom of speech !!! :)

CounslerCoffee

05-17-04, 03:01 PM

>> Fucking muslims.

And this from a moderator. I say CC is not suitable to be a moderator... he is religiously biased... SHAMEFUL attitude.

aHe/she ought to be impartial.

Thumbs down.

So wait, Brian Foley can say "Fucking Americans" and call us wankers? So I'm not allowed to say "fucking Muslims"? Well, fucking Muslims. My fucking fault I offended some rag-head. I'm sorry that I offended your double standard.

Call me a fucking American, or a wanker, and you're going to hear the words “fucking Muslim” and rag-head used in a sentence.

And the racist comment. Damn, I am racist. I'm so racist that I've even defended PM in the past and voted against things like this.

Baal Zebul

05-17-04, 04:28 PM

And this from a moderator. I say CC is not suitable to be a moderator... he is religiously biased... SHAMEFUL attitude.

aHe/she ought to be impartial.

So, he can't say anything whilst you get to speak your shit?
So what if he has a different religion ...
It is people like you that forge this shity society. "Ohh, he is a muslim. Lets give him all the money in the world so that he does not call us a racist" and "Ohh, he is gay. Lets give him a house." and last but not least "i think i broke a nail"

Get your act together Zarkov. Special treatment? The only special treatment i can think of is to the worse and not for the better. The world should be ruled by the elite and not the other way around.
Call me a racist too if you want to. I for one would prefer a country like USA rather than a country where they live in clay houses.

Lemming3k

05-17-04, 04:52 PM

It would help if you made sense. And please don't bandy the 'I am an Australian' around so much. You're giving the rest of us who happen to be Australian on here a bad name.
Has anyone here threatened your world and your children
Why is an ozzy worried about a threat to his children, apparently not enough children are being born in oz so they are gonna get paid 1000 dollars for every child they have, why worry?

Lemming3k

05-17-04, 04:56 PM

On the subject of ban PM why does everyone keep bringing it up? Leave him here he's a laugh, we get to see all the rubbish he posts this way, i think its better to leave him be, he doesnt hurt anyone but himself with his posts.

Rappaccini

05-17-04, 05:02 PM

He is not a "laugh" for everyone. He is highly offensive to many.

Arditezza

05-17-04, 05:09 PM

He is not a "laugh" for everyone. He is highly offensive to many.

Funny, you defended Xev for doing the exact same thing.

I don't see how Xev's beliefs, be they objectionable or not, relate to her current capacity.
She does her job.

Rappaccini

05-17-04, 05:28 PM

PM's beliefs are irrelevant. His mode of expressing those beliefs is offensive.

PM is uncreative, a broken record. What's worse, almost all his threads are variations on the "my god's better than yours" theme, usually featuring nothing but a cut and pasted article and a link.

Xev is typically playful and taken too seriously by many.

PM is never playful and never taken seriously enough.

Besides, Xev does her job as moderator, as I stated.
This is a different case. PM is not a moderator and basically does nothing productive on this site.

Arditezza

05-17-04, 05:49 PM

While you see her as playful, many people see her as extremely offensive. Why is it okay for one person and not another? Xev is even an admitted racist.

Is he still not entitled to his own opinion? Is he hurting anyone? I'll even use the same idiotic argument others have used in the Xev thread. If you are so easily offended by words on an internet site, then you are too sensitive and need to grow up, and toughen up and get over it.

Rappaccini

05-17-04, 05:57 PM

Racism? The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others (Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist))?

So what?

She admitted it.

PM doesn't admit anything. He shoves whatever he believes down everybody's throat, frequently using a multicolored menagerie of propagandist links.

I guess this is a question of who is more offensive to whom.
Well, then it's up to the voters to decide.

Tiassa

05-17-04, 06:20 PM

So is this the way it's going to go around SFOG? Just beg and whine and moan over and over and over again until you win one?

I'm very proud of this topic and its supporters. You've managed to go lower than my expectations of human beings generally allows. I hadn't actually thought that possible, since online argumentation is one of the benchmarks of that boundary. But ... live and learn.

James R

05-17-04, 07:45 PM

Proud Syrian was a different member.

I don't think so.

Brian Foley

05-18-04, 01:04 AM

Numbnuts, this is not an Australian forum.
Funny this is a dead give away .
sciforums is managed by David Watanabe in Melbourne, Aus

CounslerCoffee

05-18-04, 01:08 AM

Brian, this forum is run by a Canadian living in Australia. I've been a member for a while, and Porfiry (The owner of this board) used to live in Canada. Porf is in Melbourne for university, soon he will return to the beautiful city of Vancouver Canada.

path

05-18-04, 09:36 AM

Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum and these wankers are turning this into their own propaganda forum .
Thank god you don't try and do the same ;)

spuriousmonkey

05-18-04, 09:42 AM

Ah...I see that you want to keep PM around for amusement value. Or is it because it shows the potential true face of islam?

Arditezza

05-18-04, 10:04 AM

I want to keep him around because he hasn't broken forum rules, and because he only offended some people with his words. (the same people in some cases that say that you shouldn't be hurt by words in the Xev thread) He still has a right to his opinion, and it's not an opinion that is radical in any way because there are lots of others that hold the same opinion. This ban thread is the same as the last, and obviously brought about by someone who just can't let it go. How many ban PM threads have there been?

Why is PM being held to a different standard than the rest of the posters? I think it's because he represents something you people don't like... a differing opinion and is unafraid of showing it.

spuriousmonkey

05-18-04, 10:08 AM

uh no...don't flatter him so much please. A different opinion...he parrots other peoples opinions from muslim websites. That is all he does.

There are already plenty muslim propaganda forums and websites.

If you are so interested in that, just go there.

Arditezza

05-18-04, 10:24 AM

I never stated that I was interested in it, and I never stated that his opinion was original. I just stated that it was different than most people's on these forums.

In fact, I disagree with most of what he says, but that has no bearing on his right to say it. Why do others here have the right to state their opinions (right or wrong, original or copied) and PM does not?

spuriousmonkey

05-18-04, 12:51 PM

Why do others here have the right to state their opinions (right or wrong, original or copied) and PM does not?

Nobody has the right to post here whatever they want.

Arditezza

05-18-04, 01:15 PM

No. But what rules has he broken?

And, I'd like to know from the moderators how many of his posts have to be deleted or edited. How much time is spent moderating PM. If it's a lot, then I'd support banning him.

path

05-18-04, 01:31 PM

PM does more to drag islam into the mud than any 10 anti islamists could ever do :D

spuriousmonkey

05-18-04, 01:40 PM

I have an economical reason for porfiry to ban PM actually.

Because of the all these muslim propaganda threads all the google adverts are other muslim propaganda pages.

But who will click on those?

PM alreay has them bookmarked.

slotty

05-18-04, 01:46 PM

his ranting makes me laugh.i voted no.its only a forum,if you don`t like his posts don`t read them.mind you PM,i think you need to have a great big sh@t,maybe that will stop it coming out of your mouth so much!

Spyke

05-18-04, 02:31 PM

No. Because my vote makes it a tie again.

Hathor

05-18-04, 04:56 PM

flouting the rules is not necessary as a reason when it is hatred that motivates the proponents of this ban thread.

rappacini is probably the sickest individual i had the misfortune to come across on this board.

Rappaccini

05-18-04, 05:34 PM

Is probably?

You're not certain, doctor?

Hathor

05-18-04, 06:02 PM

i have but encountered a minute fraction of posters here. however if you are willing to vouch for yourself as the sickest, i will be happy to take your word for it.

you obvious hypocrisy which arditezza points out so clearly disgusts me. you are sick AND sad.

ElectricFetus

05-18-04, 06:06 PM

Once we have these anti-propaganda rules, then would PM be in violation of the rules enough to banish him?

Rappaccini

05-18-04, 09:35 PM

however if you are willing to vouch for yourself as the sickest, i will be happy to take your word for it.

Of course... if...

Have I yet done so?

I have not yet given my word on this or anything at all, agree?

Do you want to hear about my childhood now? Maybe you can diagnose me.

you obvious hypocrisy which arditezza points out so clearly disgusts me.

Well, I've already given a response to that, and, as you did not addess it, I'll respectfully ignore your assertion.

EDIT:

Once we have these anti-propaganda rules, then would PM be in violation of the rules...

That would be ex post facto, though.

He'd have to continue doing it.

Hathor

05-18-04, 10:22 PM

Of course... if...

Have I yet done so?

I have not yet given my word on this or anything at all, agree?

that is a rather pathetic attempt at assertiveness. you pretend conflict where there is none.
allow me to coerce you in kind. it will serve as an illustration on just how ridiculous that bit is.

1+1=2
CAN WE AGREE ON THAT?

do you get it, imbecile? i never asserted that you have done anything and neither have you asserted that the numbers do not add up to 2

it is a fantasy that exists only in your head.

Do you want to hear about my childhood now? Maybe you can diagnose me.

very impressive! a comeback that has me postively reeling.
however mr rappacini, there is a wealth of material in this thread i prefer to focus on (and really more relevant AND much more fun). you can hang on to your bedwetting and stinky diapers for the time being

Well, I've already given a response to that, and, as you did not addess it, I'll respectfully ignore your assertion.

you mean where you make bogus distinctions between the two? xev admits, pm does not? thus, a ban is in order? very well. i had not expected you to be a masochist. but if it is pain you seek, i shall address the unaddressed. soon.

filter

05-18-04, 10:35 PM

I think that Proud Muslim is a genius! Long Live Allah!!

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Rappaccini

05-18-04, 11:03 PM

that is a rather pathetic attempt at assertiveness. you pretend conflict where there is none.
allow me to coerce you in kind. it will serve as an illustration on just how ridiculous that bit is.

1+1=2
CAN WE AGREE ON THAT?

do you get it, imbecile? i never asserted that you have done anything and neither have you asserted that the numbers do not add up to 2

it is a fantasy that exists only in your head.

I was simply commenting. Might as well make small talk, see?

You read way to deeply into things. Maybe you should quit being so uptight.

It's kind of weird.

however mr rappacini, there is a wealth of material in this thread i prefer to focus on (and really more relevant AND much more fun).

Where?

you can hang on to your bedwetting and stinky diapers for the time being

Are you trying to irritate me or what?

I'll play doctor now:

Since your first post in this thread, I think, you've attacked me.

Overly aggressive, don't you suppose?

Tell me about your childhood.

Tell me, when you played carnival games, did you never get the prize?
How did that make you feel?
Sad? Angry?

Look.

http://www.restassured.com/images/inkblot.gif

What do you see here?

A dog?

Your mother?

Does it seem frightening or appealing to you?

Ah, time's up.
My receptionist will give you the bill.

i shall address the unaddressed. soon.

That's OK, buddyroo.

EDIT:

... and if you don't (if, mind you), it'll be OK too.

Hathor

05-18-04, 11:46 PM

So wait, Brian Foley can say "Fucking Americans" and call us wankers? So I'm not allowed to say "fucking Muslims"? Well, fucking Muslims. My fucking fault I offended some rag-head. I'm sorry that I offended your double standard.

Call me a fucking American, or a wanker, and you're going to hear the words “fucking Muslim” and rag-head used in a sentence.

does this "wanker" even understand what it is to be a moderator? what is with the moderation in this site? here you have a moderator openly advocating flame wars and nobody blinks an eye?

utterly astounding!

if the tos is violated, do an edit, give a warning etc. do NOT make matters worse.
do NOT stoop to the level of the infractor. do NOT be divisive in your moderation.

i recommend this moderator be relieved from his duties. he is clearly unfit.

Hathor

05-18-04, 11:47 PM

how does one go about creating a poll? is there a faq?

filter

05-19-04, 12:31 AM

Oh Shit! I forgot...

I think that Proud Muslim is a genius! Long Live Allah!!

That`s better. :D

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Dr Lou Natic

05-19-04, 01:20 AM

Fucking hell, I'm so disappointed in everyone, i thought finally the dirtbag would be removed, didn't you read my 'its not funny to vote no' speach? Jesus fucking christ. I guess we'll just have to make another one.

CounslerCoffee

05-19-04, 01:29 AM

Dr Lou, you changed my mind. I don't know if that counts or not.

Dr Lou Natic

05-19-04, 01:35 AM

It should be taken into consideration that the people who voted yes really really want him gone while many of the people who voted no are just like "let him stay :p I'm in a good mood today lol" :mad:
Surely their votes should be wrapped around a large stone and thrown back at their skulls, cracking them on impact, its just common sense.

invert_nexus

05-19-04, 01:46 AM

I'm abstaining because I don't think it's right to start ban polls over and over again until you get the result you want. It's debatable about how one would work this. If a member wins out in a ban poll, but continues to break rules, it's conceivable to be able to start a new poll based on the new infractions (and the new infractions only). But, I don't have a strong feeling on this either way, so I'll just bow out.

I really wish that Proud Muslim would get his act together; but, realistically, he most likely won't.

CounslerCoffee

05-19-04, 03:36 AM

does this "wanker" even understand what it is to be a moderator? what is with the moderation in this site? here you have a moderator openly advocating flame wars and nobody blinks an eye?

Yes, I understand what it is to be a moderator. Flame wars? No. A sarcastic comment? Yes.

utterly astounding!

Worse has been said (It's a holohoax!).

do NOT stoop to the level of the infractor. do NOT be divisive in your moderation.

I'm not.

i recommend this moderator be relieved from his duties. he is clearly unfit.

You've been here for three days and you've already got everything figured out, don't you? You don't know how I moderate my section. You don't even know how to post a poll. You probably don't even know what forums I moderate. And you want me gone?

Something is wrong with the picture when someone can say "Fucking Americans" and I can't say "Fucking Muslims" right back. Right now, in this forum; I am not a mod. But when I step into Scifi, World Events, or Politics, I throw that mod hat on and I do my job. I do it in a non-bias format too.

Your inability to see past your own double standard has me baffled. "He can't say that, but I can!"

alain

05-19-04, 03:46 AM

"Fucking Americans this is an Australian forum"

theres a difference between Americans and Australians now???

im with you coffee. i got nothing agaisnt MOST muslims, (as in, theres one that i dont like), but if that guy can be racist then you can be religionist - or wateva its called

CounslerCoffee

05-19-04, 03:50 AM

im with you coffee. i got nothing agaisnt MOST muslims, (as in, theres one that i dont like), but if that guy can be racist then you can be religionist - or wateva its called

I'm glad you understand, Alain. However, I'm not a racist (PM is an anti-semite, though). I don't really care that he's Muslim, or from Syria, or if Brian Foley is from bumfuck nowhere. If he can say "Fucking Americans" and call us "Wankers" then I can say "Fucking Muslims" and "Rag-head".

Thank you for understanding.

Baal Zebul

05-19-04, 07:25 AM

i do not have anything against any group, i have something against individuals. That is not racism. However, i do believe that induviduals from the arab world and eastern europe are a greater source of bad things in this world than induviduals from Etc USA or Sweden as me. That is atleast how it is in Sweden, can't speak for the rest of the world.

spuriousmonkey

05-19-04, 07:27 AM

That is atleast how it is in Sweden, can't speak for the rest of the world.

I have never felt as safe before in my life as I feel in Finland.

Zarkov

05-19-04, 03:36 PM

>> Something is wrong with the picture when someone can say "Fucking Americans" and I can't say "Fucking Muslims" right back.

Wow sophist logic here....

(a) an American, Australian is a term for a group of people living in a country... no religion here... it is an objective statement
(b) Muslim is a religious term and IMO it is a subjective statement that can and is by LAW assumed to be an extremely offensive comment.

You wish to sell apples as oranges ? the law will haul you up.

Please CC as a moderator do not become and arms merchant and sell nukes as pea shooters......

Remember each poster has a style, let their style flow,,,, who is mature enough here to be tolerant and actually interact in a meaningful way.

Religion is an act of faith..... people just believe......and kill for their fantasy..... but can you or I stop that...

YES we can, science is reality education.... listen and present data, and slowly modify opinion, after all your opinion is within your power.....

>> I have never felt as safe before in my life as I feel in Finland.

LOL, the northern hemisphere is almost atomspherically isolated from the southern hemisphere...... if a fart occurs up there you will smell it.... whereas in Tasmania we maintain the cleanest air in the world. :)

Zarkov

05-19-04, 03:40 PM

>> Worse has been said (It's a holohoax!).

This is a testable statement, fact or fiction, there is nothing offensive about fact.

Einstein was a hoax,,, see the pattern?

Avatar

05-19-04, 03:45 PM

holohoax? :rolleyes: big deal...

Baal Zebul

05-19-04, 04:51 PM

Einstein was a hoax,,, see the pattern?

Yes, but Einstein was smart.

Shmoo

05-19-04, 07:35 PM

I'm sick and tired of PM's antics. I go to school and some shithead purposely comes up to me because I'm Jewish and starts prattling on about Hitler being great (because his ethnic cleansing led to the creation of Israel). Some kid threw a piece of dirty cloth on my head and said "Wear it! You're Jewish!"

So when I come on these forums and see someone like PM saying the Holocaust was a hoax, it just sends me over the edge. My whole father's side of the family was wiped out, and I know this has nothing to do with PM as a poster, but I just wanted to express the distress this person causes me. I left for months because I didn't want to be in a forum where behaviour like PM's is encouraged.

Much like the shitheads I know personally, he isn't even provoked, he's not defending his own religion, he's simply attacking another. It's malicious and disgusting. Ban him for no other reason than he's the biggest fucking idiot I have ever seen.

eddymrsci

05-19-04, 08:28 PM

What?! that is outrageous! I can't believe this kind of extreme racism and discrimination is happening in our modern society! I personally have never seen such rudeness and ignorance in my area before. I am sorry to hear that you have gone through this kind of experience, and I am sorry to hear about the history of your family. Personally, I strongly oppose any racist remarks and discrimination, and am against the belief that one religion is better than another. Don't worry about PM, he likes to defend his religion by offending others. that's just him, he's hypocritical. He asks for respect but gives none to others.
As for banning PM, I voted yes, but I dont really care now, he is indeed kind of an amusement for us because of his "unique" perspectives. He's a "star" in here.:p:D

filter

05-19-04, 09:27 PM

If he can say "Fucking Americans" and call us "Wankers" then I can say "Fucking Muslims" and "Rag-head".

Anybody else recognise this line from preschool? LOL. You can do what you want; its more what you ought to do that is important. :bugeye:

Sheesh.

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p.s. Hello again Lou. Long time no see mate. Still spouting your kerazee shit? :D

wazdakka

05-19-04, 09:28 PM

Don't Ban the muslim, jeezuz. I mean do we talk about birds in here? Thats fucked up, The day i see this, is the day cows can fly.

b.s

spuriousmonkey

05-20-04, 01:29 AM

from the rules:

2) Votes from members with less than 10 posts will be ignored with the intent of limiting cheating.

I counted at least one offender: Wasdakka. I didn't check the rest. How real is the poll at the moment or did it turn into a 'get a friend to register and vote for you' competition?

CounslerCoffee

05-20-04, 01:40 AM

I noticed a few people (Slotty) who voted against banning PM, and slotty has under 10 votes. I believe that it should be raised to 250, or even 500 posts to vote. And filter has 16 posts. How can someone be objective about this whole thing if they've only been for a few days and barely participate in anything?

Brian Foley

05-20-04, 02:57 AM

does this "wanker" even understand what it is to be a moderator? what is with the moderation in this site? here you have a moderator openly advocating flame wars and nobody blinks an eye?

utterly astounding!

if the tos is violated, do an edit, give a warning etc. do NOT make matters worse.
do NOT stoop to the level of the infractor. do NOT be divisive in your moderation.

This poll is only been done because of racism towards this particular posters Arab origins .

i recommend this moderator be relieved from his duties. he is clearly unfit.

Im with you .

Avatar

05-20-04, 03:03 AM

I didn't know arabs were a race.

edit: oh and I remind again the moderators to not count my vote.
I was bored to death and had nothing better to do when I voted.
I think that PM should stay. He's harmless

whitewolf

05-20-04, 07:01 AM

The term Arab nations was coined by Saddam Hussein in order to unite all who would be consicered Arabs to support him. Just like Jews were again considered as a single nation because of Hitler (this part I'm not sure of, but they thought of themselves as parts of nations with which they lived up until this point).

airavata

05-20-04, 08:41 AM

It's an online forum.
PM may be an extremist with a distorted perception of reality but that's no excuse to shut him down.
Not planning on quitting till you get him banned?

slotty

05-20-04, 08:46 AM

coffee,i have been visiting this site for about a year,i am a registered user,and i belive this allows me to take part in all areas of this forum.how would you feel if the same was said to you ,that you are irrelevant just by the the number of posts you make.remember,you started here with zip posts once!i find sciforums one of the best sites on the net,so allow me to be myself here,if i wish to post i will.if i don`t i won`t .

slotty

05-20-04, 08:47 AM

just to make it to ten posts....!!

c20H25N3o

05-20-04, 09:03 AM

I havnt been here long enough so no voting for me but ....

i cant help but feel that a lot of you would be much more bored if PM wasnt around whether you get wound up or not.
Ive seen boards remove supposed trouble makers before and those boards end up becoming a bit boring to be honest. I think you would enjoy the discussion so much more if they did not degenerate into personal attacks.
I am sure PM would be happy to discuss all angles and opinions peacefully if they do not contain hatred and bigotry.
Just my observation.

wesmorris

05-20-04, 09:20 AM

what's funny is that some morons associate the desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim. LOL. as if that has shit to do with that.

i don't see people rallying to ban the other muslims on the board. perhaps it's that he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

his only saving grace is that he's occasionally charming (a smidge at least).

i say it isn't worth it, but that's just my opinion.

seems to me though, that extremists in any part of life tend to do exactly what PM does, all the time. they latch onto their cause so much that if you insult them, it must be because of their cause, and not just that they're an asshat to begin with.

maybe even, and this is gonna sound crazy... maybe even it's that they latch onto their belief so hard because they're an asshat. there's no defense for being a piece of shit like that, so they use their adopted cause to weild off attacks, stating that the attacker (or defender, depending on how you look at it) is simply "a hater" of their cause, when in fact, their cause has shit to do with anything excepting of how they make that cause look bad.

goddamn i hate those people.

BigBlueHead

05-20-04, 09:52 AM

goddamn i hate those people

Anti-asshat-ist!

I voted that PM should be banned because I believe that he is contributing to the heat-death of sciforums.

"Yeah, that's entropy, man." - Flanders

spuriousmonkey

05-20-04, 10:01 AM

goddamn wesmorris...

I like that post.

Hathor

05-20-04, 11:27 AM

wesmorris

what's funny is that some morons associate the desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim. LOL. as if that has shit to do with that.

do you claim to be aware of the pro ban individual's motivations and desires? if so, how? all i see is an individual propounding his point of view. the points could be refuted. case then would be closed. attempting to ban as a result of these views implies an agenda which could include as a reason, his religion and race.

i think it would be prudent not to divine another's motivation. of course perhaps you are psychic. perhaps again you could simply be a racist white pig dying to put the sandniggers in their place

i don't see people rallying to ban the other muslims on the board. perhaps it's that he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

do the other muslims make similar political statements? are they involved activists as proud muslim appears to be? if so, who?

seems to me though, that extremists in any part of life tend to do exactly what PM does, all the time. they latch onto their cause so much that if you insult them, it must be because of their cause, and not just that they're an asshat to begin with.

i understand and agree with this. it is know as the politics of victimhood and the adoption of this as a political strategy is ultimately self defeating. there are short term rewards though. what is exploited in this system are feelings of guilt, shame and political correctness.

when proud muslim expects a condemnation from the respondants to his "kill al muslims" thread, all he is doing is settling for empty rhetoric.

this is the same thing that was offered to him by his leaders when they use anti west slogans in order to placate and distract the masses from their injustices and abuses. it is how dictators stay in power.

this is what they are used to. arabs are complete and utter sheep. i recommend to proud muslim...enough of the rhetoric. bring me back the head of a white infidel pig. post the picture here. then i know you are worthy. kick off the revolution and please..slaughter en masse.

spuriousmonkey

05-20-04, 11:35 AM

i think you are giving PM too much credit. He is just an asshole with a fondness of quoting muslim propaganda threads.

He is an empty shell.

Baal Zebul

05-20-04, 11:35 AM

the society as i want it is further away because of people like PM. That is my reason.
wesmorris, your post was very accurate actually but with one modification.

I do not mind muslims. I have many of them in my class and we get along just fine. laughing, working together, you name it.
But however they do not say that they are proud to be muslims and they do not claim politically incorrect things. I voted to ban him because he was proud to be a part of a particular group.
After all i could say that i was a "Proud Aryan" but i don't. See what i mean?

To me the arab world have inherited the third reich.

wesmorris

05-20-04, 12:06 PM

do you claim to be aware of the pro ban individual's motivations and desires? if so, how?

It appears to you that I'm speaking for someone other than myself?

all i see is an individual propounding his point of view.

Then maybe you're blind?

the points could be refuted. case then would be closed.

LOL. Yeah that works with someone like him. Did you not read my objection? Here it is again for you:

he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

You see, that is the sign of someone with whom debate, let alone a basic, human discussion is completely impossible.

That's what I see.

(EDIT: Note that I might suggest the possibility that regardless of the specifics of the objections of the inviduals suggesting his ban, the points above are likely the root of the objections. People have a tendency to put things in their own terms you know. IOW, people have layers on top of this root complaint. They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless)

attempting to ban as a result of these views implies an agenda which could include as a reason, his religion and race.

Oh? Perhaps you've "divined" this agenda? How so? Of course an honest "this guy is a useless jerk" can't be that simple eh? It's got to be about race or religion? Well, it will be if you insist it is... but only to you.

i think it would be prudent not to divine another's motivation.
But yet you apparenetly indulge anyway. how consistent.

perhaps again you could simply be a racist white pig dying to put the sandniggers in their place.
Do you have evidence to support that? Perhaps you shouldn't divine other peoples motivations? :rolleyes:

i don't see people rallying to ban the other muslims on the board. perhaps it's that he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

do the other muslims make similar political statements? are they involved activists as proud muslim appears to be? if so, who?

Flores comes to mind.

there are short term rewards though. what is exploited in this system are feelings of guilt, shame and political correctness.
Indeed, a completely dishonest, disgusting exploitation. I don't think people who habitually utilize those tactics should be tolerated on a discussion board.

when proud muslim expects a condemnation from the respondants to his "kill al muslims" thread, all he is doing is settling for empty rhetoric.

Do you think he'd be outraged if someone said "kill all jews"? Perhaps we should refrain from divining his answer?

kick off the revolution and please..slaughter en masse.

*shrug*

A little late don't you think?

Dreamwalker

05-20-04, 01:08 PM

I voted "yes" because I no longer can stand the behaviour of PM. As people said before, his post are somewhat annoying, consisting of various quotes from religious texts and a lot of propaganda.
I do not have a problem with his religion or his "cause" or whatever, but I got a problem with his behaviour.

I would also echo what wesmorris wrote.

Hathor

05-20-04, 03:43 PM

WESMORRIS

It appears to you that I'm speaking for someone other than myself?

yes. when you write... "what's funny is that some morons associate the desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim." you are asserting that this is not the case. you are asserting that the ban votes has nothing to do with religion.
i now ask you again, how do you know this? did the pro ban folks explicitly indicate to you that religion was not a consideration? if so, do you accept their explanations without question? you expect that thier prejudices will be aired out in the open?

what naivety

to further clarify; if you speak for yourself, you would write..."what's funny is that some morons associate MY desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim."

however what we have is; "what's funny is that some morons associate THE desire to ban him with the fact that he is muslim."+

the desire to ban is present in the 20 individuals that cast the 20 votes to ban him. you presume to speak for them. you presume to know their intent. you DEVINE their motivations by stating that, for them, religion is NOT a possible source of discrimination. those that do so are "morons"

Then maybe you're blind?

in that case whose views is he propounding? if they were originally another's, what prevents the muslim from adopting them as his own? why should this be an issue in the first place?

LOL. Yeah that works with someone like him. Did you not read my objection? Here it is again for you:

allow me to introduce a word of advice

Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?

one could further report posts and allow the moderator some latitude in handling the situation. overreacting and calling for bans make one very suspect imo. i would imagine emotional issues to be at the cause of these ban threads. hatred and variations therof thus fits as a possible (and probable) explanation.

he's obnoxious, annoying, stupid and entirely free of logical thought?

the solution in this case is at your end. to blame your mental instability on another individual's posting style and content is a copout. even if the muslim departs, rest assured there always will be others to take his place. thus i think it would be far more effective to simply disengage from that which disturbs your fragile sense of equanamity.

therapy is also an option

You see, that is the sign of someone with whom debate, let alone a basic, human discussion is completely impossible.

again, it is amazing that you seek to converse with one that you hold in such contempt. can you not see where the problem lies? chasing after a utopian like environment is unrealistic and is doomed to failure. you are practically guaranteed constant strife. in light of this, i suspect it is individuals like the muslim that justify your mode of existence on this board. perhaps even in real life too.

you NEED to hate.

That's what I see.

then maybe you are blind.

Oh? Perhaps you've "divined" this agenda? How so? Of course an honest "this guy is a useless jerk" can't be that simple eh?

it almost never is that simple. an individual's status, when compressed in the manner you demonstrate, always begs the question...WHY? a dynamic then has to be taken into account, not only do i have to consider the muslim, i have to also consider YOU! so ....from your "piece of shit" response to my "off with all their heads" remark that occured in another thread, i suspect you are a patriot (perhaps a wannabe soldier), a definite redneck.

i can now deduce the source of your discomfort with the muslim

look ma! no hands, no hands!
no divination required either

But yet you apparenetly indulge anyway. how consistent.

point out again what i have divined and i will attempt to explain simple logic

Do you have evidence to support that? Perhaps you shouldn't divine other peoples motivations

what part of a tentative,"you could be" do you not understand? can you distinguish between that and a definitive,"you are"?

Do you think he'd be outraged if someone said "kill all jews"? Perhaps we should refrain from divining his answer?

complete non sequiter. i dare you to integrate this with the quote utilized

A little late don't you think

i am not sure, i actually envision the eventual fall of monarchs and dictators. (and that definitely includes your kind, white pig!)

Hathor

05-20-04, 03:58 PM

WESMORRIS

(EDIT: Note that I might suggest the possibility that regardless of the specifics of the objections of the inviduals suggesting his ban, the points above are likely the root of the objections. People have a tendency to put things in their own terms you know. IOW, people have layers on top of this root complaint. They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless)

so the imbecile once again engages in another self serving spin
so the imbecile acknowledges that religion may be a factor in a ban vote
so the imbecile once again states that his reasons, termed as the "root complaint" are also, thier reasons.

ommmmmm! om shivaaaaaa!
i divine that.."They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless"

ommm! 50 shekels for his omnipotence pleeze!

wesmorris

05-20-04, 03:59 PM

White pig eh?

And you say it's ME that needs to hate?

LOL.

You're a joke.

Baal Zebul

05-20-04, 04:01 PM

Hathor, do you have a problem with white people?

wesmorris

05-20-04, 04:13 PM

Spurious:

Obviously since I find PM to be a useless bastard, I want to force you to feel the same way and it's all because I NEED to hate because I'm a white pig who hates arabs and muslims.

Don't you know anything? Sheez.

spuriousmonkey

05-20-04, 04:23 PM

wesmorris

05-20-04, 04:30 PM

oh ok...so i actually like the guy?

oh wait I forgot to divine that.

*curses*

spuriousmonkey

05-20-04, 04:37 PM

But now it is all too late and I am a white racist because of you?

Baal Zebul

05-20-04, 04:41 PM

can't we just ban PM so that the discussion will stop.

don't say that there are more No votes than Yes votes cause i don't want to hear it, i just wan't him banned.

wesmorris

05-20-04, 04:43 PM

But now it is all too late and I am a white racist because of you?

I'm not sure. I think I'm the white racist (pig I mean) and you are just a pawn in my evil plan, a "sheep" if you will. Maybe it's the other way around.

My divination unit is malfunctioning.

spuriousmonkey

05-20-04, 04:46 PM

As soon as this thread is closed I will start a poll on:

'should PM be more tightly moderated'

because I am a white racist sheep.

Rappaccini

05-20-04, 05:35 PM

This poll is only been done because of racism towards this particular posters Arab origins.

Wrong, buddy.

This poll is because he's an unoriginal, spam-spewing "asshat," as Wes put it.

invert_nexus

05-20-04, 06:33 PM

So, Wes, how's the kingdom coming along. Downtrodden any peasants lately? We white pigs sure have it nice, eh? A kingdom for every white pig...

Hathor

05-20-04, 07:17 PM

Hathor, do you have a problem with white people?

just the burnin', lootin', rapin' torturing, murdering and invading kind
yep! those kinda white pigs and their supporters

i hope you do not hold that against me

Downtrodden any peasants lately?

keep with the times, kid. the question is..posed with any arab corpses today?

http://truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.abu-g.052004a_sm.jpg

or perhaps...tortured any arabs today?

http://truthout.org/imgs.art_01/3.abu-g.051705_sm.jpg

ahh, these playful americans

filter

05-20-04, 08:44 PM

...And filter has 16 posts.

17. And counting. :cool:

What's the matter coffee, finding it difficult to stomach disagreement? I couldn't give a flying shite whether my vote is counted or not, except that under sciforum's own rubric it states clearly that 10 posts is adequate to participate in a vote. Basically I called you out for behaving like a brattish infant...your reaction was interesting. Pulling authority by flashing your post numbers. How vulgar. :eek:

I read some of PillockMuslim's more 'out there' posts and still think that he should stay. Freedom of speech (IMO) includes freedom to say things that people do not like to hear. It includes saying things you all won't agree with. It includes spouting revolting invective and parading lies as truth (PM's speciality it seems). Get over it. Grow up. Yadda.

f

CounslerCoffee

05-20-04, 09:38 PM

What's the matter coffee, finding it difficult to stomach disagreement?

I have a life. Oh, and I'm right. 20 other people believe that as well.

Spurious, he's already 'tightly moderated'. I have him on my watch list, same goes for other members.

wesmorris

05-20-04, 10:29 PM

So, Wes, how's the kingdom coming along. Downtrodden any peasants lately? We white pigs sure have it nice, eh? A kingdom for every white pig...

Well I kick every peasant I can, you know, because they're all arabs er I mean muslims (what's the difference eh?). It's the need to hate that fuels me. I mean people come up to me and they're all like "hey asshat, why did you kick that peasant". Then I kick them and remind them "hey man, gotta hate sumthin." Then I shrug and walk away to kick some more stuff.

Someday, if I get to really really hating good, I'll start calling them sand-niggers and maybe even brutally saw off their heads. Because that's what civilized haters do apparently.

*rolls tape*

*slides you some pigskin* (handjive I mean)

:rolleyes:

It's hard to believe that one's perspective on this issue could be so skewed as to draw from this that I hate muslims or arabs. As a matter of fact it kind of fits the bill of my post from earlier that spurious said he enjoyed. I wonder what my friend Nowaff would say to this proposition. Hmmm. I haven't seen him since he moved to Virginia so I guess I'll let it go. Oh hey maybe I'll ask Adaya at work (he's black) if I hate muslims (he's also muslim). I probably have both of them fooled into thinking I like them. It's all a ruse you know. I .... must ........ hate... argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*HATES*

That's better.

Hathor however, is not stupid, so it looks like I'll need a new theory to explain his behavior. My initial assessment is fundamental clash of perspective but I dunno. I haven't dealt with him much so I have little evidence but his grotesque display here to go on.

wesmorris

05-20-04, 10:45 PM

Oh and Hathor, I really don't see a problem with the first pic besides poor taste.

Soldiers kill their enemy. When they do, it pleases them because they have fulfilled their function. I wish this weren't necessary, but culture clash is a hardcore bitch. I'm actually glad we have a president that is trying his damndest to make sure that bitch doesn't rag all over the continental US. It's gonna be ugly somewhere for sure. When it's down to the point that one of us has to go (and I don't mean muslims, or arabs, I mean alkaida types or their replacements or wannabes, I hope they all die before they get a chance to hurt anyone else - it sure is a bitch that people have to die in an attempt to ensure that more people don't die, but then again - life isn't fair and the dead have no complaints), it's better you than me unless you're my family.

I think the second pic though - if it isn't staged (who knows) - is kind of disgusting. I wonder if it's the distortion of war, a jacked up military culture from that distortion, or just some evil bitches or what. What a mess. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that I'll never know the real truth.

Hathor

05-21-04, 12:19 AM

how nice, mr morris. i see you are back
i was wondering how long you were going to act out with the theatrics and tantrums.

in anycase, perhaps you shall have more opportunities to do more of the same because it appears your political naivety coincides with that of joe blow.
i have always wondered if people are really that stupid or could it be a subtle defence mechanism employed by one's mind to preserve sanity. perhaps it is a bit of both.

rather than go into this in any detail, let me just say that president bush confessed there is no evidence to link 9/11 with iraq. however 70% of the public, even now, believes his earlier assertion, that there was a link, as accurate.

why the inability to acknowledge your president now? is it because you will have to come to the realization that you slaughtered these people for nothing?

osama is regrouping in afganistan due to bush's tactical error in shifting the war into iraq

sorry, mr patriot, but your president is NOT looking out for you

as for the pics... your "poor taste" translates to a man beaten to death by american investigators. open a newspaper and get informed.

The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that I'll never know the real truth.

that is only because you will refuse to acknowledge it. i doubt if you can do otherwise.

CounslerCoffee

05-21-04, 12:39 AM

that is only because you will refuse to acknowledge it. i doubt if you can do otherwise

Wesmorris is way, way, way, way, way more subjective than you. He won't accept everything the Republican party throws at him, and he won't accept everything the liberals throw at him; he picks what he believes to be the most logical choice (And I often agree with him).

Don't believe everything you read. But better yet, don't believe everything your party spouts at you.

spuriousmonkey

05-21-04, 01:35 AM

Spurious, he's already 'tightly moderated'. I have him on my watch list, same goes for other members.

I was wondering why he is is almost acceptable nowadays.

everneo

05-21-04, 02:25 AM

I was wondering why he is is almost acceptable nowadays.

because he is the chief entertainer and official clown here.

spuriousmonkey

05-21-04, 02:28 AM

I take my statement back btw...I saw him again today unmoderated.

Zarkov

05-21-04, 02:52 AM

Can this thread be locked and such polls banned....

I am afraid the level of general metal poi-soning in the society is showing its ugly head, there is no rationality here, so goodnight!!!!!!!!

Porfiry

05-21-04, 03:51 AM

I think the second pic though - if it isn't staged (who knows) - is kind of disgusting. I wonder if it's the distortion of war, a jacked up military culture from that distortion, or just some evil bitches or what. What a mess. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that I'll never know the real truth.

Could we please refrain from taking this thread tangential? This is purely about PM.

The Flemster

05-21-04, 06:29 AM

I can't stand the lunatic, or any of his aliases/cronies. I disagree with everything he's ever said.
However, I thought this site was a champion of free speech. If so, you can't allow him to be banned for expressing his opinions, no matter how fucked-up they are.

I for one say let the lunatic stay. He makes me laugh so hard I sometimes choke on my bacon sandwiches and drop my Muslim porn mags!

The Flemster.

Bells

05-21-04, 06:42 AM

I for one say let the lunatic stay. He makes me laugh so hard I sometimes choke on my bacon sandwiches and drop my Muslim porn mags!

Oh there's a nice, feral mental picture you've given us now Flem.:p

:eek:

The Flemster

05-21-04, 07:31 AM

Oh there's a nice, feral mental picture you've given us now Flem.:p

:eek:

Oddly enough, the picture I was looking at in this month's edition of 'Crouching Muslim, Shitty Bucket' was indeed feral and mental!

The Flemster.
:D

Bells

05-21-04, 07:42 AM

Thanks for sharing Flem. Nice to know that some (ie you:p ) people will read just about anything while sitting on the porcelain throne nowdays.;)

:eek:

Hathor

05-21-04, 03:15 PM

Wesmorris is way, way, way, way, way more subjective than you. He won't accept everything the Republican party throws at him, and he won't accept everything the liberals throw at him; he picks what he believes to be the most logical choice (And I often agree with him).

Don't believe everything you read. But better yet, don't believe everything your party spouts at you.

i resent your attempt to instigate a flame war between mr morris and i.
however, oh moderetard, i will gladly accept your assessment on his subjectivity being superior to mine

with friends like these, who needs enemies? :rolleyes:

CounslerCoffee

05-21-04, 03:36 PM

Oh, so instead of me complimenting Wesmorris (Which is what I was doing); you decide that it's me instigating a flame war? You're paranoid, just like PM.

wesmorris

05-21-04, 03:48 PM

thanks for your kind words CC.

what i don't get is why PM's apologists aren't outraged that some of the "don't ban him" votes... were touted as based in the fact that he's looked at as a clown. shouldn't you be pissed about that? shouldn't you demand that they take back their votes? i mean, isn't humiliation torture? eh?

Hathor

05-21-04, 04:11 PM

perhaps if i may be bold enough to venture a guess as to why the outrage is not present? yes?

it is because we embrace the notion of free speech and the 1st amendment
it is because we are not control freaks
it is because we are not the thought police
it is because facist practices and ideology are the very antithesis of what we stand for

finally, it is also because we are not JACKBOOTED NAZI PIGS!

is that satisfactory, mr wes "subjective" morris?

wesmorris

05-21-04, 04:19 PM

as long as you're not divining stuff right?

yeah I suppose your answer is satisfactory, thank you. i smell some kind of hypocracy in there but I can't figure it out at the moment so maybe I'm wrong.

yours truly,

white pig.

Arditezza

05-21-04, 04:28 PM

i mean, isn't humiliation torture? eh?

If humiliation were torture, you'd be long dead by now.

CC: And I agree with your statement about wesmorris being subjective, if you follow the word subjective with the word ignorant. Have you read some of his posts recently? He's full of strawmen and irrelevant arguements. Not to mention he's been baiting lots of people as of late.

If we can ban people for being insolent and against the norm, but not breaking the rules... can we ban people for painful stupidity?

Hathor

05-21-04, 04:44 PM

WESMORRIS

...some of the "don't ban him" votes... were touted as based in the fact that he's looked at as a clown.

which posters are these? list them please (thanks). while i respect their right to air their feelings and viewpoints, i have no doubt it would be easy to ridicule them in turn

lets take a look at a "dont ban" voter - THE FLEMSTER

he likes the muslim's entertainment value. however the reason for the "dont ban vote" was...

However, I thought this site was a champion of free speech. If so, you can't allow him to be banned for expressing his opinions, no matter how fucked-up they are.

Proud Flemster.

astounding bit of respect for the 1st amendment considering the guy also wants to......

Islam is pure evil.
And all those morons with silly beards and underwear on their heads that follow it are the scum of the Earth. (In my opinion).

Kill 'em all!

Proud Flemster.

obviously he wants to do more than just laugh at the muslim. even though i would like to stab and saw the flemster, he is a far better american that you are. a real patriot. he is not one to whore the bill of rights at the first sign of trouble like some would do.

i mean, isn't humiliation torture? eh?

your efforts at sarcasm are rather unsophisticated. perhaps a little more time spent would yield that which could be classified as "biting!"

Hathor

05-21-04, 05:14 PM

WESMORRIS
as long as you're not divining stuff right?

i asked you previously to indicate specifically what it is i divined. you still have not done so.

point out again what i have divined and i will attempt to explain simple logic

it is you that makes the assumptions in here, mr wes morris. not i.

They may not state the root specifically, but it's there nonetheless)

do not be dishonest please. you will not be afforded the relatively pleasant reception again if you persist.

i smell some kind of hypocracy in there but I can't figure it out at the moment so maybe I'm wrong.

hopefully you will refrain from outright fabrications. however, sniff away mr wes "bloodhound" morris.

wesmorris

05-21-04, 05:16 PM

which posters are these? list them please (thanks).
You're welcome:

lemming3k
everneo
eddymrsci
path
flemster

Path didn't say it explicitely so maybe he shouldn't be on the list for sure. It seemed it was his direct implication.

while i respect their right to air their feelings and viewpoints, i have no doubt it would be easy to ridicule them in turn
as you wish eh?

lets take a look at a "dont ban" voter - THE FLEMSTER
why?

he likes the muslim's entertainment value. however the reason for the "dont ban vote" was...

"However, I thought this site was a champion of free speech. If so, you can't allow him to be banned for expressing his opinions, no matter how fucked-up they are.

I for one say let the lunatic stay. He makes me laugh so hard I sometimes choke on my bacon sandwiches and drop my Muslim porn mags!"

Looks to me like he provided at least two reasons.

astounding bit of respect for the 1st amendment considering the guy also wants to......
I'm not here to defend his words. When I made my statement regarding the lack of outrage, it seemed to me that there is inconsistency or hypocracy associate with it. I still suspect something but haven't figured out what made me consider that yet and as I said, I might have been wrong.

obviously he wants to do more than just laugh at the muslim.
*shrug*

even though i would like to stab and saw the flemster,
Ick.

he is a far better american that you are. a real patriot.
Hey you acted a while ago like you had no taste for non-sequiters.

he is not one to whore the bill of rights at the first sign of trouble like some would do.
Ah, like who? What does that have to do with anything? Make sense damn you.

your efforts at sarcasm are rather unsophisticated.

Actually, that isn't sarcasm. Is a snide reminder of someone being a hypocrite sarcasm? I thought humiliation was supposed to be torture. Isn't that what everyone is bitching about? I'm not necessarily saying it isn't either. I'm somewhat undecided on the issue. Sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on whose perspective you're taking. Thanks for playing though! Hey do you think it's even less sophisticated to mistake a real comment for sarcasm?

Ah, that's where I thought I saw hypocracy, that some should bitch about the prisoners suffering humiliation yet take it from people who look at PM as a joke... because they supported his continued tenure here. A little inconsistent? There's certainly a difference between the types of humiliation, yet it's still humiliation... so where's the outrage? Oh, I see... as long as you get what you want a little humiliation is okay eh? Right.

perhaps a little more time spent would yield that which could be classified as "biting!"
*shrug* Thanks for nothing?

Have a fun time with all that stabbing and such.

wesmorris

05-21-04, 05:31 PM

*sigh*

WESMORRIS
as long as you're not divining stuff right?

i asked you previously to indicate specifically what it is i divined. you still have not done so.
You said:

"it is because we embrace the notion of free speech and the 1st amendment
it is because we are not control freaks
it is because we are not the thought police
it is because facist practices and ideology are the very antithesis of what we stand for"
You did present it as a hypothesis, so you weren't "divining stuff" right (noting the term "we" in your words)? You were just suggesting that you might be able to divine stuff while trying to pretend that's not what you're doing right? :rolleyes:

it is you that makes the assumptions in here, mr wes morris. not i.
You make no assumptions? Are you so sure? You're quick to point the finger it seems.

do not be dishonest please.
do not accuse me of dishonesty please.

you will not be afforded the relatively pleasant reception again if you persist.
likewise.

hopefully you will refrain from outright fabrications.
Yes, I will.

however, sniff away mr wes "bloodhound" morris.

LOL. So you accuse me of lame sarcasm when it wasn't sarcasm and then use lame sarcasm. Yes you're making no assumptions at all I can tell (you see, THAT is lame sarcasm, I recognize it clearly, I don't feel like the investment really to make it BITE. Perhaps I don't desire the taste that might follow that bite).

SwedishFish

05-21-04, 05:43 PM

i had no idea you could see who voted for what. anyway i'll tell you i voted no. i generally vote no on banning people because i think it will sort itself out. they should be able to say what they want but the rest of us either don't have to listen or the members can regulate each other. banning should be reserved for spammers.

Hathor

05-21-04, 07:11 PM

WESMORRIS

Ah, that's where I thought I saw hypocracy, that some should bitch about the prisoners suffering humiliation yet take it from people who look at PM as a joke... because they supported his continued tenure here. A little inconsistent? There's certainly a difference between the types of humiliation, yet it's still humiliation... so where's the outrage? Oh, I see... as long as you get what you want a little humiliation is okay eh? Right.

you compare these instances of the muslim's alleged "humiliation" at the hands of a bunch of disembodied internet users to the actual events that took place in abu ghraib?

i bet proudmuslim is writhing in pain! (as far as i can tell, he appears to hold up his end fairly well)

here is a caption for the 2nd picture where a nazi sits on an arab

the technique employed here is called 'chest compression". it is extremely painful and the victim is brought to a point where breathing practically comes to a halt. witness the obvious pain on the man's face

what really is the kicker is that...

poster x comments: proudmuslim is a joke
average poster reaction: umm, ok.
wesmorris's reaction: this is outrageous. how can you let stand, this humiliation of the muslim? do something! why the hypocrisy?

thus i think you bait.

so if i call you a fucknut, i am actually humiliating you? do you feel humiliated?

anyway.....

i think the concept of sarcasm eludes you.
i can tell further rebuttals will result in a never ending series of compressed and rather bogus retorts on your part, so...until next time, mr morris.

wesmorris

05-21-04, 10:19 PM

you compare these instances of the muslim's alleged "humiliation" at the hands of a bunch of disembodied internet users to the actual events that took place in abu ghraib?

Is it humiliation? If so, the comparison is valid. If not, then it isn't.

i bet proudmuslim is writhing in pain! (as far as i can tell, he appears to hold up his end fairly well)
He seems to be actually. The pain of a completely stunted mind.

here is a caption for the 2nd picture where a nazi sits on an arab
the technique employed here is called 'chest compression". it is extremely painful and the victim is brought to a point where breathing practically comes to a halt. witness the obvious pain on the man's face

*shrug*

It would probably be better if people weren't treated that way. I'm a moron though, and I don't take those pictures at face value. Obviously, that might be wholly mistaken... but I was in the military for four years and it simply doesn't fit. Maybe it's a new army now, but don't you think that in the context of the people in those picture, they must make sense? I need to know the context before making a judgement - and all information coming to me regarding said context has been through the ringers of a number of competing agendas, so I basically feel that I have zero to go on. I think some of them might have been deliberately staged for use in psyops. That simply makes sense, because it provides a context that explains the behavior. It's also quite possible that command and control totally broke down and people were running amok, all wigged from being in Iraq for so long and feeling powerful because they had all these prisoners - who to them were killing their friends - at their whim. I dunno, and doubt if I ever will. Maybe I guess.

I'm sure you can just write it off as denial or what did you say?... "compressed and rather bogus". Then you'll take comfort in being able to ignore such inane tripe in the future.
what really is the kicker is that...

poster x comments: proudmuslim is a joke
average poster reaction: umm, ok.
wesmorris's reaction: this is outrageous. how can you let stand, this humiliation of the muslim? do something! why the hypocrisy?

So you miss the point. I'll clarify.

If they are both humiliation, then there is inconsistency. Why? Because if you think it's not okay to humiliate someone to get what you need from them, then how can you allow that here? Are you arguing that the difference is that the guy in that picture is in pain and as such the comparison is completely invalid? It's okay if PM's buffoonery is accepted because he's a completely joke - as long as you vote to let him stay? Is that not endorsing humliation as long as you get what you want?

thus i think you bait.
*shrug* as you wish.

so if i call you a fucknut, i am actually humiliating you? do you feel humiliated?
no, but I might if it was in the context of banning me for being a useless asshat.

anyway.....

i think the concept of sarcasm eludes you.
lol? oh? based on what evidence?

i can tell further rebuttals will result in a never ending series of compressed and rather bogus retorts on your part, so...until next time, mr morris.

yeah i noticed you glossed over every point i made except the one you though you could exploit. is that honest? does that show good faith on your part? i suppose that is exectping to much. it must have been because my retorts were rather compressed and/or bogus? thank goodness you're an advocate of free speech, or were you just hypothesizing that you are?

Rappaccini

05-22-04, 03:01 AM

If humiliation were torture, you'd be long dead by now.

Were you going for cleverness there?

I think you messed up... torture doesn't necessarily kill people.
I suppose it wouldn't, normally.

your efforts at sarcasm are rather unsophisticated.

Your efforts at writing are "rather unsophisticated".

Besides, since when does sarcasm have to be sophisticated in order to be "'biting,'" since you were awarded Syntactical Grand Pombah status?

hopefully you will refrain from outright fabrications. however, sniff away mr wes "bloodhound" morris.

Bloodhound... as in a wilful, paranoid, and plaintive nitpicker, a fault-finder?

You've the balls to desribe another that way just after mentioning "JACKBOOTED NAZI PIGS"?

We white pigs had better cross the creek before old Mister "'bloodhound'" Hathor scents our plan for sciforums censure and domination!

I hear he's got some nose for fascists, and that means trouble!

This is a testable statement, fact or fiction, there is nothing offensive about fact.

Want to bet?

Why don't you consider BigD's 100 Facts?

water

05-22-04, 05:21 AM

What is the real issue here?

I don't like Proud Muslim much myself, but I don't think he should be banned.

I think we now have the opportunity to teach him something, to make him aware of his mistakes -- this of course only if we
a) really wish to change him and think that we ought to change him,
and
b) see ourselves as competent to do that.

I can't help but to find both a and b questionable.

But, from my experience with him, there is a simple and valid issue one can propose to him, and this is where PM seems to freeze: I asked him "What have *you* *done* to convince me that your religion is the right one, as you claim that it is?" He didn't reply.

There obvioulsy is a way to get to him, there is something where his propaganda doesn't work anymore.

Regardless of his methods of communication: we can take a Gandhi-like approach to him, and then see what happens.
But in order to do that we have to keep him, not ban him.

alain

05-22-04, 08:13 AM

hehe, "moderetard" i get it

just think, if we all put our intelligence into helping people, instead of thinking up amusing insults, maybe the world would be better

spuriousmonkey

05-22-04, 08:36 AM

The fact is that he pisses people off. I know of several people feel that the 'sciforum experience' is lessened by his presence.

He pushes other sciforumers away, and we are not talking about people we gladly see going.

That is reason enough for me to see him go, or else he should be under strict moderation. In fact he should set a shining example of good behaviour for the next three months or so in a row before he should be permitted to cross the line again. Because let's face it. He crossed the line more times than anyone else on this forum.

Hathor

05-22-04, 09:32 AM

RAPPACINI

your responses indicate a lack of reading skills. they are disjointed and irrelevant to the points you chose to address.

however..

We white pigs had better cross the creek before old Mister "'bloodhound'" Hathor scents our plan for sciforums censure and domination!

SkinWalker was the recipient of numerous fradulent votes from Rappaccini, hence the winner of this election is Stryderunknown.

the plan has already been "scented" out. you discredit the "our". i am however more than willing to treat ALL of you as dishonest and hate filled trolls.

- Any attempt to circumvent the rules (eg. by opening multiple accounts) will result in all votes by the user being invalidated and the user will be considered for banning.

pack your bags, lil' bitch

Hathor

05-22-04, 10:10 AM

WESMORRIS

yeah i noticed you glossed over every point i made except the one you though you could exploit. is that honest? does that show good faith on your part? i suppose that is exectping to much. it must have been because my retorts were rather compressed and/or bogus? thank goodness you're an advocate of free speech, or were you just hypothesizing that you are?

if you need clarification, ask. insist, be specific. i will respond. and yes, you did make quite a few points that cannot be refuted. i am however not convinced of either relevence or applicabiIlty

neither are you by the looks of the quotes below

* I still suspect something but haven't figured out what made me consider that yet and as I said, I might have been wrong.

*I'm not necessarily saying it isn't either. I'm somewhat undecided on the issue. Sometimes yes, sometimes no depending on whose perspective you're taking.

unfortunately for you, you tire of being accomadating and decide to take a stand

Ah, that's where I thought I saw hypocracy, that some should bitch about the prisoners suffering humiliation yet take it from people who look at PM as a joke... because they supported his continued tenure here. A little inconsistent? There's certainly a difference between the types of humiliation, yet it's still humiliation... so where's the outrage?

now everything is in black and white and thats too bad. absolutism is a very big stick and there are very few of us that cannot be hurt by it.

in anycase, i already offered up some guesses as to why the condemnation is not there. here are a few more

*effective utilization of time and resources. ie: maximum bang for the buck.
*nitpicking is distasteful
*the muslim is really a freak (an outlook that i am flirting with)
*hypocrisy

addressing the last point....it is a possibility but until you are willing to make the investment to actually investigate the alleged hypocrite's posting history and dig out the inconsistencies, it is rather small minded and seemingly vengeful to merely accuse on the basis that it is possible.

this hypocrisy is a non issue.
you also sound like the muslim when you demand condemnation. i believe we discussed the politics of victimhood, yes?

Walker

05-22-04, 10:48 AM

I believe CCs comment was rhetorical...reread the quote he responded to.

Anyway, I think PM exists here just to incite and inflame. I remember higher ups saying that people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community were not welcome on sciforums.

PM doesn't contribute. Debate is contribution, true...bludgeoning is not. PM does the latter.

wesmorris

05-22-04, 11:25 AM

unfortunately for you, you tire of being accomadating and decide to take a stand

That wasn't "taking a stand". That was 'oh yeah, i remember now'. I had to get back down the same train of thought to remember what the hell I'd been thinking, and the preceding sentences reminded me well enough to regurgitate the basis of reasoning.

now everything is in black and white and thats too bad. absolutism is a very big stick and there are very few of us that cannot be hurt by it.
I don't think establishing accurate conceptual relationships is "absolutism". I don't agree that I've painted the issue in black and white at all, but merely pointed out inconsistent thinking based on the subjectivity of your perspective. I do believe the fact is that regarless of one's affiliation, they will likely, almost surely skew their input to justify it.

in anycase, i already offered up some guesses as to why the condemnation is not there. here are a few more

*effective utilization of time and resources. ie: maximum bang for the buck.
*nitpicking is distasteful
*the muslim is really a freak (an outlook that i am flirting with)
*hypocrisy

addressing the last point....it is a possibility but until you are willing to make the investment to actually investigate the alleged hypocrite's posting history and dig out the inconsistencies, it is rather small minded and seemingly vengeful to merely accuse on the basis that it is possible.
Actually I think it serves as a decent example of the human tendency I explained above with the simple exposure of the inconsistency... however I have to say, it was just a passing thought which at the time I deemed worthy of comment. While "small minded and vengeful" seem to actually strengthen the point, I don't care to make a huge issue of it. I do appreciate what appears to be an honest effort to dissect it from your perspective.

this hypocrisy is a non issue.
I think it's a valid example as I mentioned, but not so much to argue further on that point, I'll agree.

you also sound like the muslim when you demand condemnation.
I didn't demand it, I simply expect it if the ideology is consistent.

i believe we discussed the politics of victimhood, yes?
Indeed. If you read something I wrote and think I'm playing the victim, you read it wrong or I failed to get across my point. I am no victim. I despise the thought. In fact, I take responsibility for everything I'm involved with. That would be overwhelming if I weren't somewhat irresponsible and emotionally capable of accepting a certain amount of irresponsibility.

Arditezza

05-22-04, 11:30 AM

If you cut the people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community, you'd lose half your posters. There are a lot of people in this foum, and in this thread especially that do nothing at this point but incite and inflame. There are moderators at this point that rarely have anything positive to add, but love to incite and inflame. You see, there comes a time in a forums life where you either have to do a huge amount of mass bannings to clean it up or just keep letting it get out of hand until you can't control anything anymore. This forum has been riding the thin red line for a long time. When someone really starts caring a great deal again things could get better.

Logically Unsound

05-22-04, 11:32 AM

surely if he causes enough heat to make people moan about him for like a zillion threads then ban the guy.
of course, if the forums ever have a dull moment then you can have him to piss a load of people off.

c20H25N3o

05-22-04, 11:36 AM

Rappaccini

05-22-04, 10:56 PM

RAPPACINI
your responses indicate a lack of reading skills. they are disjointed and irrelevant to the points you chose to address.

Demonstrate it.

I could, if you wished me to, run through your posts and highlight every writing-related error committed.
Can you do the same in the case of my reading?

the plan has already been "scented" out.

Yikes... you actually believe there's a secret plan to censor and dominate SF?

This forum has been riding the thin red line for a long time.

Do you know how often posters have stated that?

The we're on the verge of oblivion, guys number is quite old.

Why should it be any truer now than it was whenever some surly halfwit like crazymikey wrote it?

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 01:48 AM

If you cut the people who have nothing positive to contribute to the community, you'd lose half your posters.

Is there really a problem with that?

And we are not talking about all, we are talking about the person who excells the most on sciforums in not contributing anything positive to sciforums.

In fact we are probably (in my humble opinion) talking about a person who contributes in the most negative manner to sciforums of all members. People got banned for less.

alain

05-23-04, 02:07 AM

hey, whoever has the power to do it, could you change my vote from yes to no please

i suddenly remembered all that crap about free speach

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 02:12 AM

reminder for alain:

There is no free speech on sciforums.

edit - see for instance:

13. Freedom of speech You are free to post or not to post on sciforums. However, posting here is a privilege, not a right. As such, by posting you agree to abide by the forum rules. Yes, this restricts your freedom of speech to a certain extent. If you cannot accept the restrictions which are in place, our advice is to find an alternative forum which suits you better, or start your own site.

He does not abide the rules too often.

water

05-23-04, 03:55 AM

Spuriousmonkey,

13. Freedom of speech You are free to post or not to post on sciforums. However, posting here is a privilege, not a right. As such, by posting you agree to abide by the forum rules. Yes, this restricts your freedom of speech to a certain extent. If you cannot accept the restrictions which are in place, our advice is to find an alternative forum which suits you better, or start your own site.

Thanks for bringing this up! This is a good point for clarifying the argument.

Well, then it is rule #13 that Proud Muslim should be confronted with. I highlighted the part I find most important.

As patient and understanding as I am trying to be, with his actions, PM has shown that he doesn't consider posting here a privilege.

So I suggest an open letter to him, and giving him an ultimatum.

If he doesn't abide, then ban him.

alain

05-23-04, 04:37 AM

i was more saying that i couldnt morally take away his free speach, and still expect to keep my own, even if the rules are against him, if porfiry wants him out then porfiry will block him, and i wont think bad of him for doing it- its his website, but im not going to actively try to take away someones free speech

water

05-23-04, 04:47 AM

Actually, as most recent events show, the man has his own forum -- I have received this private message from him

Dear friend:

I am writing to you to tell you about my another forum, you can join us there as well:

http://forum.jamaat.net

The above forum is desigend for Muslim - Christian debate and there is also a space for atheists and those of other religions.

You are very welcome to join.

And I have read some of the recent things he has written -- saying that he intends to stay here, "to expose the liars".

And, from past posts, I know that I am one of these "hypocrites" and "liars" -- and now he has the nerve to invite me to his forum site! This is a condescence that I am not willing to put up with.

I say ban him, I voted "yes."

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 05:44 AM

Dear All:

It is all amusing and funny to see how weak some people are, how powerless and logicless some people are:

Starting a thread denying the existence of Jesus (pbuh ) is OK, no problem with that !!

Starting a thread mocking and denying prophet Muhammad (pbuh ) is ok, no problem with that !!

Starting many threads denying and mocking the existence of GOD HIMSELF is ok, no problem with that !!

However, starting a thread questioning ( not even denying ) the holocaust becomes unforgivable sin and an invitation for hate !!! one need to ask what kind of HYPOCRISY is this ??

When I complained to the owner of this forum about the anti muslim hate and bigotry, he replied by stating that this is FREE SPEECH, so, why cant I enjoy the same FREE SPEECH in questioning the holocaust ????

Your attitude toward Muslims here on sciforums is sadly the general attitude prevailing in the west nowadays:

Bias Against Muslims Up 70%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61488-2004May2.html

Boston Radio Host says Kill All Muslims

http://www.cair-net.org/asp/article.asp?id=166&page=AA

slandering and ranting islamophobic remarks is ok, it is free speech, but when muslims try to hit back, it becomes hate and fanaticism !!! :mad:

If you dont like my posts, dont bother reading them, dont even respond to them, the fact that you are reading them and responding to them means you dont like what you read and resent the fact that I am PROUD MUSLIM ! this only shows your hidden bigotry and islamophobia.

How many times you will try to ban me ?? dont you realize that I have my own joint forum now ( thanks to those who tried to ban me the first time, I realized it is important to have my own jointforum with the help of another muslim who suffers the same hate and abuse from non muslims like yourselves) !

Dont you realize I am going to build a special website about the '' holohoax '' debating and exposing this lie about the 6 million jew died there ?? you see, dont ever try to suffocate my rights to express my views freely, this will only make me more determined and more eager to spread my views.

Why you all got so mad when I questioned the ( holohoax ) ? I did not even deny it, I was questioning the figures, dont I have the right to do that ? dont I have the right to call it the HOLOHOAX ??? why it is ok for you to question the existence of Jesus or Muhammad and even deny the existene of God but not ok for me to even question the holohoax ???? this is sickning hypocrisy.

''All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.''
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

Dr Lou Natic

05-23-04, 05:59 AM

It is all amusing and funny to mock the owner of this forum
I am PROUD MUSLIM !

I have my joint
I realized it is important to suffocate you all

ahem ^
Everyone who voted no I want you to have a good hard look at that post and then have a good hard look in the mirror, and then come back to this post, and bring a little hand mirror with you so you can alternate between looking at pm's post and yourself back and forwards.
When you stop weeping, private message porfiry and ask if you can change your vote to 'yes' in a last ditch effort to save your soul.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 06:43 AM

what a liar !! you quoted what I said and then changed some words in my sentences to suit your bigotry !!!

I hope people will check exactly what I said and look carefuly for what others quote out of my posts.

alain

05-23-04, 06:54 AM

"dont I have the right to call it the HOLOHOAX ???"

only if everyone on the website is fine with it, which they arent

(and if you had the right to call it the holohoax, others would have the right to call you whateva they wanted)

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 08:46 AM

analysis:

Unless you are a complete illiterate you should know that calling the holocaust a hoax means that you deny its existence or importance. Hoax is not a neutral word. The holocaust is an historical fact.

It is possible to deny the existence of god. See the vast literature on the subject.

www.dictionary.com
hoax P Pronunciation Key (hks)
n.
1. An act intended to deceive or trick.
2. Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means

Bells

05-23-04, 08:57 AM

OK! We all know that PM has issues with Jews. And that's his issue. But what PM has failed to realise is that by calling it a 'holohoax' he is not merely denying/questioning the number of Jews slaughtered there and insulting their sad fate. He is also insulting the memories of the millions of non-Jews who were also exterminated. This is obscene. Actually no. He is obscene. He has fails to realise that there may be members here who's families were in the concentration camps. So he expects everyone to sit by and say nothing when he sullies the memory of the millions who died in those camps, by referring to it as a 'holohoax'?

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 09:16 AM

So denying GOD himself is ok, but refering to a LIE as holohoax is not ok, what a bunch of hypocrites ? :rolleyes:

My reference to the holohoax is only limited to the Jewish holohoax, not other holocausts, I do acknowledge the sufferings of millions of non jews at the hands of the nazis, I feel sorry for them and I honour them in my prayers, but I dont see MEMORIAL MUSUEMS FOR THEM !! WHY?? why only memorials for the jews ???? hypocrites.

so again, the 6 million jewish figure is HOAX, LIE and will take some years before peolpe start to find out about this lie, but we are determind to pursue the truth.

Bells

05-23-04, 09:20 AM

Ermm I have a quick question to the mods.

I didn't know that the person in question of the ban (in this case PM) was allowed to vote for himself and to vote to keep himself in (so to speak)? I thought these polls were meant to be for other members to vote in?

LMAO! I'm sorry but even if he is allowed to vote for himself in the poll, I can't believe he actually voted for himself... PMSL! This is the first time I've ever seen the debated about member vote for himself in a ban poll.... wipes tears of laughter from eyes... Ah that's a classic... :D

Hathor

05-23-04, 09:31 AM

ahem ^
Everyone who voted no I want you to have a good hard look at that post and then have a good hard look in the mirror, and then come back to this post, and bring a little hand mirror with you so you can alternate between looking at pm's post and yourself back and forwards.
When you stop weeping, private message porfiry and ask if you can change your vote to 'yes' in a last ditch effort to save your soul.

i will consider it if you provide the link to the quote. can you deliver?

Bells

05-23-04, 09:35 AM

So denying GOD himself is ok, but refering to a LIE as holohoax is not ok, what a bunch of hypocrites ? :rolleyes:

Just because YOU and your little neo nazi friends have referred to it as a lie does not make it a lie.

My reference to the holohoax is only limited to the Jewish holohoax, not other holocausts, I do acknowledge the sufferings of millions of non jews at the hands of the nazis, I feel sorry for them and I honour them in my prayers, but I dont see MEMORIAL MUSUEMS FOR THEM !! WHY?? why only memorials for the jews ???? hypocrites.
You've never been to a holocaust memorial have you? I've been to several and every single one of them pay their respects to both the Jewish and Non-Jewish victims. I even been to Jewish holocaust museums and half of their displays and stories were from and about the victims who weren't Jewish. You are the only one here who is denying every single victim of the Nazis the respect they deserve for their suffering. I'm going to ask you a question PM, what if it were 6 million Muslims who'd been killed at the hands of the Nazis. How would you feel to hear anyone say that it was a hoax? You'd feel insulted wouldn't you? And rightly so. What we ask is that you offer the Jewish and Non-Jewish victims of the holocaust the same deferrence you'd expect everyone else to rightly give any Muslim victims of such atrocities. Instead of calling it a hoax, have some respect for their pain and suffering. Have some compassion, for God's sake. And you call yourself a Muslim? Your behaviour on this matter has only shown me how un-Muslim you can be.

so again, the 6 million jewish figure is HOAX, LIE and will take some years before peolpe start to find out about this lie, but we are determind to pursue the truth.
So you're joining hands with your little neo-nazi buddies huh? Should we be expecting you to start burning some crosses on people's lawns soon? Maybe start bashing some poor Jewish woman walking down the street on her way to temple? You are angry at the hate that people have shown towards your religion. But look at the hate you show, and to the memories of millions of people who have been killed by others who believe just as you do. You are aware that the nazis deemed the deaths to be a lie too don't you? Hate to think how you will be judged when your time comes PM.

Hathor

05-23-04, 10:14 AM

Demonstrate it.

I could, if you wished me to, run through your posts and highlight every writing-related error committed.
Can you do the same in the case of my reading?

Yikes... you actually believe there's a secret plan to censor and dominate SF?

sure. please pay attention.
it has already been established that you stuffed the ballot box with fictitious votes.

SkinWalker was the recipient of numerous fradulent votes from Rappaccini, hence the winner of this election is Stryderunknown.

when a certain amount of policy is enacted through proposals introduced and voted upon in this forum, we all expect and insist that each individual gets only one vote.

you subverted that process by duplicitiously creating multiple accounts and using them to mirror your own particular vote. can you now understand that you, are in a better position over others, to influence the vote to one of your liking? it will be your agenda that will be enacted through the voting process.

of course, you are well aware of what you have done.

now. lil' bitch, can you see how you can "dominate" sciforums by your underhanded and devious schemes? did you not "plan" stuff the ballot box with fraudulent votes?

politics is a passionate affair. in real life, if you were caught commiting the same crime by the masses, you would probably be beaten to death.

however this is sciforums, nobody even blinked an eye at your conduct, you are still here posting. rest assured lil' bitch, i would love to stab and saw, a snake such as yourself.

ok. i wish you would highlight "writing-related error committed"
correct my spelling, syntax and grammar. it is what small minded people do.

as you can see, you write without considering the implications of your statements. i liken it to the arsonist that comes back to the scene of the crime.
you mention your crime in your post. you flaunt it, wondering if someone will catch on.

i could go on, for instance, the bloodhound and smalltalk bit. yet it is tedious to teach lil' bitches how to think.

i leave you now, to wallow in your putrid and defective mind

invert_nexus

05-23-04, 10:32 AM

politics is a passionate affair. in real life, if you were caught commiting the same crime by the masses, you would probably be beaten to death.

damn, harsh country you live in. In civilized countries they just generally jeer and taunt. It's a political death not a real one. Where do you live?

I must have missed that post by Porfiry, is that true Rap? What about the extreme consequences of voter fraud mentioned in the rules? Maybe Rap actually confessed to Porf about it? Just wanted to make CrazyMikey sweat a little?

Edit: Yup, there it is, last post. I lost interest in the thread before the end.

Hathor

05-23-04, 10:47 AM

Hathor

05-23-04, 10:50 AM

INVERT_NEXUS

you just got raped up the ass by the lil'bitch and you adopt an apologist stance?
you must like it.

Bells

05-23-04, 10:51 AM

if i were a palestinian, a rerun of the holocaust would be eminently desirable.
i hope you do not hold that against me. it's just that having my kids murdered, house bulldozed and property expropriated is rather traumatic.

when fighting for survival, it is wise, not to turn the other cheek
That's the thing though. You would not expect or want anyone to deny that it was happening now. Nor would you want people in the future to call such despicable actions to be a hoax.

Rappaccini

05-23-04, 10:57 AM

it has already been established that you stuffed the ballot box with fictitious votes.
What does that have to do with my reading? What does that have to do with this thread?

of course, you are well aware of what you have done.
That's right, and it was well worth it to see crazymikey go off the handle.

can you see how you can "dominate" sciforums by your underhanded and devious schemes?
No, I wasn't trying to dominate anything. I was provoking crazymikey. The victory of stryder was a forgone conclusion.

Boy, you're uptight... maybe you only skimmed that analysis I provided earlier. I suggest you read it carefully and then cogitate in it... even more carefully. :rolleyes:

if you were caught commiting the same crime by the masses, you would probably be beaten to death.
In what country is that, Liberia... or ancient Rome?

i would love to stab and saw, a snake such as yourself.

Yikes, again...
correct my spelling, syntax and grammar. it is what small minded people do.
Obviously, you know they're there; I won't bother.

you mention your crime in your post. you flaunt it, wondering if someone will catch on.
Catch on to what? Where did I mention it?
i leave you now, to wallow in your putrid and defective mind

Thanks, doc. I'll go and wallow now... in the bay... over the water... on a ski.

Bya, buddy.

Hathor

05-23-04, 11:14 AM

dear lord
i will offer you a lifetime of abject servitude if you get jaws to chew the lil' bitch up.
he is in the bay... over the water... on a ski.
thank you and amen.

Bells

05-23-04, 11:16 AM

Charming.:eek:

It's been a while since I heard the phrase 'raped up the arse' in here... lol.. ;)

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 11:19 AM

MEMORIAL MUSUEMS[/B] FOR THEM !! WHY?? why only memorials for the jews ???? hypocrites.

That is indeed a lie, but one emanating from you.

so again, the 6 million jewish figure is HOAX, LIE and will take some years before peolpe start to find out about this lie, but we are determind to pursue the truth.

I think you were warned about talking about this sensitive subject in this manner. Two threads were closed because of this. One would expect that a civil person would learn from this, but you are apparently not civil. You are a vicious hatemonger.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 12:04 PM

So questioning the holoHOAX becomes HATE while denying God is FREE CHOICE !!! what a bunch of cheap hypocrites !!

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 12:06 PM

So questioning the holoHOAX becomes HATE while denying God is FREE CHOICE !!! what a bunch of cheap hypocrites !!

You are not questioning the holocaust. You are calling it a hoax.

Go to your own forum if you don't like it here.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 12:10 PM

I am calling the 6 million figure a HOAX, got it ?

Persol

05-23-04, 12:12 PM

That would be nice if you had anything to back it up with.

In the meantime I'm going to call you a doche bag. Luckily the proof for that is already public knowledge.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 12:20 PM

The proof was presented in the 2 threads discussing the issue, I am banned from presenting them again at the request of the moderator, the 2 threads were quickly closed ! I am wondering if the evidence that the 6 million figure is HOAX is weak evidence, why the 2 threads were quickly closed ?

I will be very happy to give you the evidence in private message if you want, as I said, the moderator asked me NOT to post the evidence again.

Bells

05-23-04, 12:21 PM

I am calling the 6 million figure a HOAX, got it ?
James is right. You are a bigot. And you're also a hater of the worse kind. Salaud!

As a moderator, I am supposed to remain above the fray to some extent. However, in this instance, I would like to say that I find holocaust denial a particularly distasteful form of bigotry.

Proud_Muslim: you may take this as a warning. Further unsupported threads or posts on this topic may result in your temporary or permanent banning.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=36495&page=3

Logically Unsound

05-23-04, 12:22 PM

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 12:23 PM

And yet again you start another holocaust thread inside another thread.

Bells

05-23-04, 12:28 PM

And yet again you start another holocaust thread inside another thread.
It is unfortunately a continuation of a distasteful topic all for self justification. I feel sick for even having replied to it all yet again.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 12:30 PM

ive got a feeling (from what ive read in this post)
that your post was closed cause to be frank your practically insulting all those dead by dismissing that they even died.
i would be grateful if you could PM me the evidence/link so i can see what all this stuff is about.

I think you did not really understand what is going on, I am not denying the holocaust, I am disputing the 6 million jewish figure, I am calling this a HOLOHOAX, I will send you the evidence right away.

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 12:31 PM

He calls the difference between 5.6 and 6.1 million a hoax.

Did you need a PM for that?

Logically Unsound

05-23-04, 12:33 PM

no, i understand he thinks the holocauses numbers are wrong. but i would like to know what evidence/'evidence' he has to support such a ridiculous and terrible claim.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 12:39 PM

I am just wondering why I am not allowed to post the evidence here in public so that people can see it and judge by themselves ?? :rolleyes:

Bells

05-23-04, 12:44 PM

awww poor baby... stopped from spouting even more hate..

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 12:53 PM

I am just wondering why I am not allowed to post the evidence here in public so that people can see it and judge by themselves ?? :rolleyes:

You already posted your crap and threads got closed. Why bother to do it again. Because you want to antagonize people? Because you want to sow hatred?

Persol

05-23-04, 12:59 PM

I am just wondering why I am not allowed to post the evidence here in public so that people can see it and judge by themselves ?? :rolleyes:Because you didn't have much in the way of evidence. If it makes you feel any better we'll all concede that it was only 5 million. The number is secondary.

Your 70% bigotry number is also slightly wrong (unless they asked everyone). May I now call you a muslim-hoax?

Halcyon

05-23-04, 01:00 PM

I am just wondering why I am not allowed to post the evidence here in public so that people can see it and judge by themselves ??

Opinion=proof?

Creating a discussion around a certain idea and supporting a viewpoint with evidence is one thing, forcibly shoving ideas down other people's throat, spouting propaganda, and cluttering up an otherwise decent forum where constructive discussion used to take place before it's members were turned off and turned away by the voracious hatemongering is an entirely different thing.

Vote=yes.

airavata

05-23-04, 01:00 PM

As far as I can see, PM is questioning the NUMBER OF JEWS that were killed during the holocaust. He isn't denying the holocaust ever took place.

Logically Unsound

05-23-04, 01:03 PM

yes, we all know that, but its still a pretty big claim if your going to deny that 500000 people were killed in camps etc

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 01:27 PM

As far as I can see, PM is questioning the NUMBER OF JEWS that were killed during the holocaust. He isn't denying the holocaust ever took place.

EXACTLY !! and they call that HATE !! go figure !!! :rolleyes:

Persol

05-23-04, 01:29 PM

Ok muslim-hate-hoax... please support your 70% number.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 01:30 PM

Anyway, I am very glad to offer the evidence that the 6 million figure is HOAX to anyone who wishes in private message.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 01:31 PM

yes, we all know that, but its still a pretty big claim if your going to deny that 500000 people were killed in camps etc

And let us suppose that someone denied that the holocaust ever happened ( I am not denying it ), so what ?? why is it ok to deny GOD HIMSELF but not ok to deny the holocaust ?? what kind of hypocrisy is that ??? :bugeye:

And why questioning historical event such as the holocaust is HATE while questioning other historical events such as Pearl Harbour is not HATE ???

BLATANT HYPOCRISY.

airavata

05-23-04, 01:34 PM

His opinion on the number of people that were killed may be completely wrong but what's your problem?

Arditezza

05-23-04, 01:37 PM

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Come on guys... how far are you going to stretch to get him banned?

Here's another;

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spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 01:39 PM

You are out of line here. A holocaust doesn't stop to be a holocause because you are too hate-filled to accept that Jews were systematically terminated by a horrible regime. A regime that used propaganda in a very similar manner as you are doing. 5 or 6 million it doesn't matter. 1 million would already have been a holocaust. 500.000 also. You don't even realize what was so special about the holocaust.

You are a sick, no wait, a very sick person to call the holocaust a holohoax.

as posted before by me:
Extent of the Holocaust The exact number of people killed by the Nazi regime is still subject to further research. Recently declassified British and Soviet documents have indicated the total may be somewhat higher than previously believed. However, the following estimates are considered to be highly reliable.
5.6?6.1 million Jews
3.5?6 million Slavic civilians 2.5?4 million POWs
1?1.5 million political dissidents
200 000?800 000 Roma & Sinti
200 000?300 000 handicapped
10 000?250 000 homosexuals
2 000 Jehovah's Witnesses

jadedflower

05-23-04, 01:43 PM

Arditezza

05-23-04, 01:46 PM

And one from the No's side;

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This one's only post has been in this thread. If you people are going to try to throw votes, at least attempt to make it a bit less obvious.

There is also another in the No's and another in the Yes's who should be discounted, but they also have posts unrelated to this one and on other subjects so I think they may have voted not knowing the rules.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 01:57 PM

even if it is a hoax... what exactally do you wish to achieve by posting endless comments relating to it, in one of hundreds of forums online?
Really... even if it is; there is nothing no one can ever do about it.
Wouldn't it be better to move on?

I agree, the issue would have been over if the moderator did not close my thread about the issue in history section, the fact that my rights to discuss such historical event has been confiscated is outrageous.

another point, the victims of this terrible tragedy are the same people who are using this 6 million figure to justify their barbaric sadistic terrorism against my people in Palestine.

Proud_Muslim

05-23-04, 02:00 PM

And one from the No's side;

This one's only post has been in this thread. If you people are going to try to throw votes, at least attempt to make it a bit less obvious.

There is also another in the No's and another in the Yes's who should be discounted, but they also have posts unrelated to this one and on other subjects so I think they may have voted not knowing the rules.

Thank you for showing the FRAUD those haters are using to get me banned, I suggest prof ban those who are using multiple nicknames to vote NO.

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 02:00 PM

I agree, the issue would have been over if the moderator did not close my thread about the issue in history section, the fact that my rights to discuss such historical event has been confiscated is outrageous.

another point, the victims of this terrible tragedy are the same people who are using this 6 million figure to justify their barbaric sadistic terrorism against my people in Palestine.

Uh...are you for real? Can someone stop this madness?

jadedflower

05-23-04, 02:03 PM

Hmm...

Well, having nothing against Jew in particular, I fucking hate Sharon and what he's doing to Palestine. So in what relates to that; you have my sympathy.

Whether the Hollocaust was real, I neither know nor care, for whatever the truth may be, it's done it's damage already. So perhaps your effort would be wasted in matters regarding the holocaust, and productive (so long as plageurism is not included) in any discussion regarding the conflict in Palestine.

Either way; this is not the place in which to discuss this.

Good day.

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 02:07 PM

There is also another in the No's and another in the Yes's who should be discounted, but they also have posts unrelated to this one and on other subjects so I think they may have voted not knowing the rules.

There are actually 3 invalid Nos.

wazdakka, spike and drumass666.

Arditezza

05-23-04, 02:14 PM

There are actually 3 invalid Nos.

wazdakka, spike and drumass666.

There is one Spyke in the No's and he's got 709 posts. Not sure where you saw the name spike. And drumass666 was the other no I was speaking of, but he has other posts in other forums not relating to these ones, so that is the one I was counting as possibly not knowing the rules. There is another just like that in the Yes's who is possibly unaware of the voting rules.

spuriousmonkey

05-23-04, 02:16 PM

haha...i'm such an idiot...

sorry spyke.

water

05-23-04, 02:38 PM

Prud Muslim,

1.

My reference to the holohoax is only limited to the Jewish holohoax, not other holocausts, I do acknowledge the sufferings of millions of non jews at the hands of the nazis, I feel sorry for them and I honour them in my prayers, but I dont see MEMORIAL MUSUEMS FOR THEM !! WHY?? why only memorials for the jews ???? hypocrites.

In my little European town in Slovenia, there are 2400 people. We have *two* monuments in the memory of WW1 and WW2, and several memorial plates on houses, and other marks -- like an unexploded granate.
And it is just for the simple people who died in the war. Not even Jewish were they.

2.
And let us suppose that someone denied that the holocaust ever happened ( I am not denying it ), so what ?? why is it ok to deny GOD HIMSELF but not ok to deny the holocaust ?? what kind of hypocrisy is that ???

And why questioning historical event such as the holocaust is HATE while questioning other historical events such as Pearl Harbour is not HATE ???

BLATANT HYPOCRISY.

First of all, *Who* is denying God?

Secondly, if you call us liars and hypocrites, I ask you this:

WHAT HAVE *YOU* *DONE* TO MAKE US BECOME TRUE?

You come here, call us liars and hypocrites -- and yet you expect us to listen to you?

If you were really so interested into us learning the Truth, then you would do something that we may come closer to it.
How can you expect us to take you seriously when you spit at us the way you do?
How can you expect us to listen to you when you spit at us the way you do?

Hathor

05-23-04, 02:49 PM

Charming.:eek:

do you think i was too harsh on the boy or was it merely the vulgarity you were commenting on?

Hathor

05-23-04, 03:04 PM

q - how can we keep the proudmuslim out of sciforums?
a - host the trashcan on another site

Logically Unsound

05-23-04, 03:09 PM

q- we cant
a- he can still post here.

weebee

05-23-04, 03:41 PM

Meanwhile, Justice Minister Tommy Lapid touched off a scandal when he condemned Operation Rainbow, indirectly linking the destruction of Palestinian homes in Rafah to the Nazi killing of Jews during the Holocaust.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040523/323/eub1h.html

me thinks proud Muslim should do the Palestinian cause a favour and shut up. (If I tell someone to shut up will I be banned?…if so I’ll rephrase that to Proud Muslim should think before he types..)

invert_nexus

05-23-04, 07:02 PM

you just got raped up the ass by the lil'bitch and you adopt an apologist stance?
you must like it.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm assuming that the lil bitch in question is Rappacini. Right? Exactly how did he rape me up the ass? Are you referring to the voter fraud? Frankly, I don't consider that as anything to do with me. I have never posted in Pseudoscience, in fact I've only been in there once or twice to laugh at the people inside. I don't care who becomes moderator. I do find it odd, as I stated before, that the extreme measures for fraud were not taken, seeing as how Porfiry was obviously aware of it. Apologist stance? I'm just guessing as to reasons is all. It completely fits Rap's character, as I've seen it, to do the thing just to make Crazymikey sweat. I assume that since Porfiry didn't ban him, then it wasn't really fraud, I assume that Rap didn't try to hide it from Porfiry. If not, no skin off my nose. If I determine that this site is run in a way I don't like, there's the exit.

invert_nexus

05-23-04, 07:06 PM

John,

Sounds like you're ready to strap on the suicide bomber vest and do your duty. Please hurry.

Shmoo

05-23-04, 10:21 PM

John cracks me up.
CounslerCoffee's behaviour is fairly disconcerting considering his position on these forums.

Bells

05-23-04, 10:39 PM

do you think i was too harsh on the boy or was it merely the vulgarity you were commenting on?
A tad harsh. You're making yourself sound as though you're one of the US soldiers working in the prisons in Iraq.

This one's only post has been in this thread. If you people are going to try to throw votes, at least attempt to make it a bit less obvious.
Excuse me? Both sides to this argument have a similar phenomenon, where some members have probably signed in with different names to vote, or they've gotten their friends and family to join to vote. But I'm sure Porf can find out who signed in with different names. So before you start throwing stones at the other side, remember that the NO vote also has some dubious votes.

I agree, the issue would have been over if the moderator did not close my thread about the issue in history section, the fact that my rights to discuss such historical event has been confiscated is outrageous.
You insult the dead memories of millions of people by calling their pain and death a hoax and you're suprised that you're stopped from discussing the issue? And you ignore the warning and keep on discussing it? How would you feel if someone turned to you and told you that the plight of the Palestinians was a hoax?

Tell me, when you start ranting, do you hear an echo in your head? Christ you're disgusting PM. Vile creature.

And now onto John_Angry
You are proof of why insane asylums should not allow patients to access the internet.

Rappaccini

05-23-04, 10:45 PM

dear lord
i will offer you a lifetime of abject servitude if you get jaws...

thank you and amen.

I'm still alive!

Rappaccini: 1
God: 0

Bells

05-23-04, 10:52 PM

Well something must have scared the shit out of you out there in Jaws country... Scared you so much you turned into Wes.:eek:

Just kidding.. :p

Rappaccini

05-23-04, 11:00 PM

Oh... my... God!

You're right!

I'm Wes! Holy Crap!

airavata

05-24-04, 12:09 AM

PM doesn't deny the holocaust ever took place. He merely questions the accuracy of the 6 million figure. He can present completely bogus evidence and he can be delusional. SO WHAT?

CounslerCoffee

05-24-04, 12:18 AM

airavata, the way I read it was that PM said that it's a holohoax: a vast conspiracy to make us sympathize with the Jews. He even said that he believes it never happened and that it's a holohoax.

airavata

05-24-04, 12:21 AM

Well, a few pages back he says that he's only objecting to the number of jews killed. Holocaust - holohoax; can't interfere with his phraseology can we?

Bells

05-24-04, 12:24 AM

It's more the fact that he doesn't deny that it happened to non-Jews, just to the Jews. Therefore by PM's reasoning, the Jews who died in the camps should not be pitied for their fate because they apparently lied. Go figure. By calling it a holohoax, he has denied the existence of the holocaust. For many here who's family may have been in the camps, it is an insult. But most importantly, his attitude is an insult to the millions who did perish.

CounslerCoffee

05-24-04, 12:24 AM

I see what he said and that's what he said. Now, if he meant something different, he still shouldn't of said it like that. He obviously should of put words in there.

airavata

05-24-04, 12:27 AM

Halcyon

05-24-04, 12:28 AM

Airavata;
I was refering specifically to the Jewish HOLOHOAX not to other real HOLOCAUSTS such as the Russian one or the Polish one. I think that statement pretty much sums it up. The rest about only objecting to the numbers, well, backpedalling, bait and switch, whatever.

airavata

05-24-04, 12:29 AM

Well, this thread's been quite entertaining.

Bells

05-24-04, 12:31 AM

Well, a few pages back he says that he's only objecting to the number of jews killed. Holocaust - holohoax; can't interfere with his phraseology can we?
Do you not see the double standard there? I understand that PM has a problem with Jews. But to call it a holohoax? I've asked him several times how he would respond if it were Muslims and not Jews who'd been slaughtered by the Nazis and someone called it a hoax. He still has not replied, because he knows that he'd be angry if such a statement were made. He knows he'd consider it to be hateful.

PM's attitude is that because they were Jews, therefore not as many died. He's letting his hate for the Jews cloud any rational thoughts he may have on the matter. But what he continuously fails to realise is that by calling it a holohoax, he is calling the whole holocaust a hoax. Did you even read the arguments he'd put forth in the history forum and the religious forum? There's no word in any vocabulary to describe what he's been saying.

Shmoo

05-24-04, 12:34 AM

PM seems to be back-pedaling on things he said in an earlier thread.
He has refrained from acknowledging statements such as these:

the jews use this mythical figure to sacre the west and keep milking them !!

...of course I do have my utmost respect for those died during the nazi era, but I have no respect for JEWISH LIARS who want to make money out of the suffering of millions of NON JEWS

These are accusations, not questions. He is obviously not questioning how many Jews died in the Holocaust at all, because he already firmly believes Jews are deceiving the public.

He is straight out lying about his intentions.

CounslerCoffee

05-24-04, 12:34 AM

Airavate:

He is a member of this community, and as a member I think we have the right to dispute the content of this website and those who reside within it. Would you support someone posting racist material? Would you support someone who posts hardcore porn? No, because you care about the content of this website and the members who reside in it. This is Porfiry's community first, but secondly it belongs to the members. We vote, we discuss, and we decide.

Bells

05-24-04, 12:37 AM

And I mean attitude in the sense of the way he portrays himself on here. He abuses people for questioning Islam or for criticising Islam, but then he comes out with a statement like that? That's what I mean by his attitude. He accuses everyone else of being a hater, but he is the biggest hater out of all of us. And then he tries to justify it by saying that it is his right to question the figures. Well if that's his argument, then he should have no problem with anyone questioning or denying the plight of Muslims around the world. And the way he's carried on, I can bet you that is exactly what will happen.

Brian Foley

05-24-04, 01:35 AM

Proud_Muslim

05-24-04, 02:20 AM

Bells : His attitude? His attitude can be anything he chooses it to be. Who're you to impose your will on him and control his opinion and check his output here on Sci? Granted it may not be particularly logical, but why's everyone so concerned with what PM thinks about the holocaust.

Because they were breast fed this LIE since an early age, the outrageous thing is that these HYPOCRITES dont mind discussing whether jesus existed or not, dont mind discussing whether muhmmad existed or not, but they shout HATE when you try to discuss( not even deny ), just discuss the HOLOHOAX !!

Pathetic !!

Proud_Muslim

05-24-04, 02:31 AM

PM seems to be back-pedaling on things he said in an earlier thread.
He has refrained from acknowledging statements such as these:
These are accusations, not questions. He is obviously not questioning how many Jews died in the Holocaust at all, because he already firmly believes Jews are deceiving the public.

He is straight out lying about his intentions.

What a bunch of lies !!

I do confirm that Jews DID die at the hands of the nazis AS WELL AS other non jews, I DONT believe the figure is 6 million Jew, it is a JEWISH LIE, JEWISH HOAX to decieve the west and keep milking them money and compensations !!

Hell ! Germany until this very day pays those zionist killers who are now residing on my land in Palestine and Syria ''compensations'' in forms of NUCLEAR SUBMARINES and WEAPONS to kill more of my people !! do I have sympathy for these killers ? NOOO, let them go to hell.

Why those same jews dont pay compensations for my people for the HOLOCAUST the jews committed against my people ?? why ? why this SILENCE on the jewish crimes ? why it is ok for the jews to kill and steal our land and be forgiven because there were the victims of the HOLOHOAX ?

ARE THE JEWS UNTOUCHABLE ? ARE THEY HOLY ? ARE THEY ABOVE CRITICISM ???

THE ARABS AND THE MUSLIMS ARE SICK AND TIRED FROM THIS BLATANT HYPOCRISY AND EMOTIONAL MILKING OF WORLD OPINION, OUR LAND IS STOLEN BY THE SAME VICTIMS, IN FACT, MANY OF THOSE SO CALLED HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS ARE NOW RESIDING OVER MY LAND, MY HOME IN PALESTINE AND SYRIA !!! :mad:

Why we should pay for a crime committed by the Europeans ?

Look and compare:

http://www.iap.org/jewspal.htm

Proud_Muslim

05-24-04, 02:40 AM

@Proud Muslim
Don’t let anyone on this forum intimidate you , you have every right to express yourself they way wish . Continue to post as you do and as often as possible you are a resident of the mid-east and your input is needed here . Syria your homeland borders Israel and will possibly be Americas next target . I value your input , heres wishing Iraq will be Americas coffin .

Thank you Brian !! it is amazing reading all this HYPOCRISY from those brain washed dummies here on sciforums, hundreds of thousands of my own people ( INCLUDING MY OWN UNCLE AND ALL HIS FAMILY ) have been killed by those nazi jews and yet not a single word of condemnation from those hypocrites, they only bring up the HOLOHOAX as a stick to silence you.

My uncle and his entire family were killed by the same survivors of the holocaust, who remember them ? who remember the hundreds of thousands of palestineans slaughtered at the hands of those JEWISH NAZIS ???

My uncle and his family were living in Lebanon during the jewish israeli invasion of lebanon in 1982 which resulted in the death of 17,000 INNOCENT ARAB and Muslims ! they bombed his home tearing everyone inside to pieces.!!

Do I have any sympathy for these nazi jews and their '' HOAX'' stories about the HOLOHOAX ?? May god anger fall over those real nazis.

here is some pictures:

http://www.iap.org/massacres.htm

We will never forget.

alain

05-24-04, 03:10 AM

"JEWISH NAZIS"
WTF - oxymoron

"nazi jews"
WTF - oxymoron - again

"May god anger fall over those real nazis."
God will hate who God wants to hate, God is not a weapon for you to use

"were killed by the same survivors of the holocaust"
no they werent. unless your family was killed by 80 year olds, do some maths.

"Do I have any sympathy for these nazi jews and their '' HOAX'' stories about the HOLOHOAX ??"
saying the word holohoax is disrespectful to the families of Jews who died in the holcaust, from this point on, im reporting EVERY post that calls it the holohoax

PS im sorry that this happened, but you cant blame an entire religion for the actions of a few people

Bells

05-24-04, 03:16 AM

"Do I have any sympathy for these nazi jews and their '' HOAX'' stories about the HOLOHOAX ??"
saying the word holohoax is disrespectful to the families of Jews who died in the holcaust, from this point on, im reporting EVERY post that calls it the holohoax

Well said. It's disrespectul to the millions of Jews who were slaughtered and it is also disrespectful to the millions of non-Jews who were killed as well.

alain

05-24-04, 03:37 AM

"and it is also disrespectful to the millions of non-Jews who were killed as well."

oh yeah, sorry for forgetting that, bells, thanks for reminding me

Proud_Muslim

05-24-04, 03:50 AM

"JEWISH NAZIS"
WTF - oxymoron

"nazi jews"
WTF - oxymoron - again

Not according to this:

http://www.iap.org/jewspal.htm

"May god anger fall over those real nazis."
God will hate who God wants to hate, God is not a weapon for you to use

Sure, I was making supplication if you know what supplication is !! :rolleyes:

"were killed by the same survivors of the holocaust"
no they werent. unless your family was killed by 80 year olds, do some maths.

Ok, so in 1982, the holohoax survivors were at their 80s, right ? now, we are in 2004 which means they are well above 100 year old !! I cant believe how long these so called ' survivors ' live !! :rolleyes:

"Do I have any sympathy for these nazi jews and their '' HOAX'' stories about the HOLOHOAX ??"
saying the word holohoax is disrespectful to the families of Jews who died in the holcaust, from this point on, im reporting EVERY post that calls it the holohoax

HOLOHOAX !! happy !! it was a HOLOHOAX , I can use whatever word I want, who the hell are you or anyone else to tell me what should I use ????

How pathetic ! you describe using this word as disrepectful ! but yet I did not see any RESPECT for the hundreds of thousands of PALESTINEANS Massacred by the jews !!! You guys are bunch of hypocrites.

PS im sorry that this happened, but you cant blame an entire religion for the actions of a few people

It was not the action of few jews, it was the action of the entire jewish state.

http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org

Zarkov

05-24-04, 04:01 AM

>> he firmly believes Jews are deceiving the public.

So do I.

>> ? why this SILENCE on the jewish crimes ? why it is ok for the jews to kill and steal our land and be forgiven because there were the victims of the HOLOHOAX ?

I agree.

There is far more to this (conspiracy) IMO, that what we (the stupid public) are led to believe.

I think to believe the propaganda that has developed since the first world war is paramount to subserviance and eternal slavery by those that have no intrinsic interest in you oryour children as such.

All life is ONE organism, to defer our right to exist free, to think what we will, and to reap the fruit of our labours, is to sell our children very very short.........

Proud Muslim, be patient, the posters on this and most other forums are filled to the eyeballs with (the powers that be's) propaganda.

Power to the common people, destruction to the money lords.

alain

05-24-04, 04:02 AM

"Ok, so in 1982, the holohoax survivors were at their 80s, right ? now, we are in 2004 which means they are well above 100 year old !! I cant believe how long these so called ' survivors ' live !!"

run that one by me again please, if they were alive during the haulocoast they gotta be pretty old now (that last post in being reported for using the word holohoax... again)

"I can use whatever word I want, who the hell are you or anyone else to tell me what should I use ????"

who am i? im one of few people on sciforums that dont hate you, if you have the right to use the word holohoax, i have the right to call you/muslims whatever i want, savvy?

"It was not the action of few jews, it was the action of the entire jewish state."
sorry, i dont believe anything published on the internet that is about religion, too much bias

"Sure, I was making supplication if you know what supplication is !!"
i know what a supplication is, and i know that what you said sounded more like an order

Proud_Muslim

05-24-04, 04:25 AM

[QUOTE=Zarkov]>> he firmly believes Jews are deceiving the public.

So do I.

Thank you.

>> ? why this SILENCE on the jewish crimes ? why it is ok for the jews to kill and steal our land and be forgiven because there were the victims of the HOLOHOAX ?

I agree.

Thank you.

There is far more to this (conspiracy) IMO, that what we (the stupid public) are led to believe.

I think to believe the propaganda that has developed since the first world war is paramount to subserviance and eternal slavery by those that have no intrinsic interest in you oryour children as such.

Well said, not only that, they make even discussing the subject something UNTOUCHABLE !! WHY ???

They even ridiculed a FAMOUS jewish writer who dared to stand up and expose the HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY !

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/id44.htm

All life is ONE organism, to defer our right to exist free, to think what we will, and to reap the fruit of our labours, is to sell our children very very short.........

VERY WISE.

Proud Muslim, be patient, the posters on this and most other forums are filled to the eyeballs with (the powers that be's) propaganda.

I am patient, I am facing barrage of abuse, insults and personal attacks but I will NEVER give up.

they tried to ban me before, this is their second attempt, but they will never ban my right to expose their LIES.

Power to the common people, destruction to the money lords.

And everyone know who are the money lords of our world !

Bells

05-24-04, 04:27 AM

Oh dear lord! This is turning into a crackpot convention. :eek:

Proud_Muslim

05-24-04, 04:29 AM

"Ok, so in 1982, the holohoax survivors were at their 80s, right ? now, we are in 2004 which means they are well above 100 year old !! I cant believe how long these so called ' survivors ' live !!"

run that one by me again please, if they were alive during the haulocoast they gotta be pretty old now (that last post in being reported for using the word holohoax... again)

Ok, here it is again : HOLOHOAX !! now go and report it for the third time, I dont give a shit ! I am practicing my right to say whatever I want.

"I can use whatever word I want, who the hell are you or anyone else to tell me what should I use ????"

who am i? im one of few people on sciforums that dont hate you, if you have the right to use the word holohoax, i have the right to call you/muslims whatever i want, savvy?

Well, Muslims were called many names already here on sciforums, why no one talk about that ????

"It was not the action of few jews, it was the action of the entire jewish state."
sorry, i dont believe anything published on the internet that is about religion, too much bias

http://www.israel-state-terrorism.com is not about religion, it is about Jewish terrorism against my people.

"Sure, I was making supplication if you know what supplication is !!"
i know what a supplication is, and i know that what you said sounded more like an order

I dont think using the word ''MAY'' indicates an order !!