View Full Version : Impeach Xev? Serious Poll!
ElectricFetus
04-29-04, 01:21 PM
Due to problems interpreting the last poll I'm making a new one with well defined questions and specific answers. Please close the last poll, all that can be agreed on there is that the majority of us think Xev is a eccentric, not if she should remain a moderator or not.
I hereby declare my wishes that Xev remain a moderator. I find her to be as mentally stable as anyone else and have no current issues with her.
Fin~
Dreamwalker
04-29-04, 02:48 PM
I echo this sentiment.
crazymikey
04-29-04, 03:16 PM
Ok, for the next and final one: I hope everyone votes :)
I do not think Xev is a suitable moderator, on the grounds:
1: 55 people in the last poll do not consider her to be a "good member" more than half the active members.
2: She is proud of being a racist and justifies it by "freedom of speech"
3: She does not set a good example to others, and nor seems to be sensible(e.g. "I find this sexually gratifying")
4: Moderating forums is quite a trivial job, and I should know, as I've had 4 moderately sized forums of my own.
Therefore, considering that such a large number of members do not seem to particularly like her, and considering moderating forums, is quite trivial. I see no reason why she should be a moderator, which will only spite quite a large proportion of active members.
Vote: Please Remove Her.
I vote for closing this thread and temp banning the creator and anyone voting yes.
then i vote for a "raves and rants" subforum where everybody can bitch to there hearts contents, no mods, anything goes, only rule:"if you enter be prepared to accept the punches".
"55 people in the last poll do not consider her to be a "good member" more than half the active members."
I don't know where you got that figure from mikey. You must've looked at the Currently Active Users thng at the bottom of the homepage. I shall respond assuming this. The Currently Active Users are the number of members on this site at any one time.
"She is proud of being a racist and justifies it by "freedom of speech"
I'm proud of being an athiest and I often put down religious types. This IS freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak your mind. Its our right to as human beings. We think for a reason.
"Moderating forums is quite a trivial job, and I should know, as I've had 4 moderately sized forums of my own."
As do I. And I think moderating Philosophy is a very tough area to moderate. You get the serious types and you get the extremists. Her moderating job is far from trivial.
"I vote for closing this thread and temp banning the creator and anyone voting yes."
The creator only made this thread because of various complaints. It is not a direct assault towards Xev personally. It is a thread to find out whether people seriously want Xev out as a moderator.
I hope my reply has helped clear a few things up and I still stand by Xev in this one.
crazymikey
04-29-04, 06:38 PM
I don't know where you got that figure from mikey. You must've looked at the Currently Active Users thng at the bottom of the homepage. I shall respond assuming this. The Currently Active Users are the number of members on this site at any one time.
Thank you for that explanation, although you assumed wrong. I am using the data from the previous poll: which is 55 people who do not consider her to be a good person or a nut(34 + 21) of which 34 want her removed. When I say active members, I mean those who post her regularily, not the members online at the moment :D
Seriously, 55 members is a lot, and losing her, is not even a slightest loss, and moderating forums is not as hard as it claimed here. I would personally have removed her if I was an admin. Knowing that 55 members disapprove of her.
I'm proud of being an athiest and I often put down religious types. This IS freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak your mind. Its our right to as human beings. We think for a reason.
I am an atheist, and consider religions to be quite primitive, but recognise their importance in our evolution.
Racism however is something much more different:
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Do I really have to tell you how condemnable racism is? You would be hard-pressed to justify racism anywhere. It's the type of hate that leads to genocides, mindless hate and terrorist acts.
Moderating forums is quite a trivial job, and I should know, as I've had 4 moderately sized forums of my own."
Sorry Thor, I do not buy that. I think theres a lot of others here who can do the job. It's not leading a country; it just cleaning it up. I personally think Xev makes it more dirty, by openly supporting racism, and saying things like, "I find it sexually gratifying" to her impeachment threads. It clearly shows how much disrespect she has for others.
These are just some reasons, I think people should take into consideration, before they vote "No" :)
ElectricFetus
04-29-04, 07:24 PM
Kunax,
Just for your information I voted "no".
Xev is an eccentric, sadistic and even evil bitch at time, but I have not seen her
1. Abusing her powers as moderator
2. Being a asshole while using her moderating powers
Xev temperament seems to be variable and does not seem to affect her volunteer work as moderator.
Those like crazymikey still do not get it. *sigh*
crazymikey
04-29-04, 09:21 PM
Get what Absane?
It's evident from this reply, that "I still don't get it" ;)
Porfiry
04-30-04, 12:21 AM
I again repeat that Xev retains the full confidence of the administration.
James R
04-30-04, 01:46 AM
...and the support of the other moderators, I would think.
CounslerCoffee
04-30-04, 01:47 AM
You would be correct, James. I vote NO.
*Sniffles*
Y'all like me?
"Xev is an eccentric, sadistic and even evil bitch at time"
*Blushes*
Oh, you shouldn't have.
James R
04-30-04, 03:41 AM
We support you as a moderator, Xev. That doesn't mean we like you! :)
(Just kidding.)
lol WCF someone "needs" to be banned, and since you startet this thread, why not ban you :).
or ban by post number, ban the user with post number 11 in this thread
Why ban the guy who is only trying to gather opinions??
And it looks like Xev has a big undergroundfan base. Excellent.
Y'all like me? No.
But that's a separate issue, don't you think?
Whether or not I like you has little, if anything to do with your suitability as a moderator. You may be a spiteful, racist (expletive) but, as has been pointed out, it doesn't seem to get in the way of your moderation. To that end, be whatever you are. No law says I have to like it.
There is no reason to dump you as a moderator, and several good reasons to keep you around. It's an easy decision regardless of what I think of the rest of you.
ElectricFetus
04-30-04, 09:16 AM
Xev,
This is not politics here (thank god!) dislikeing you is not reason for impeachment, nor is likeing you reason for you to stay. You do your job well and that’s all the matters. Your views, opinions and mannerisms are separate from your work as moderator. By the way thanks for bribing me with your sexually powers. http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/sm/sm006.gif http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/sm/sm010.gif
Rappaccini
04-30-04, 09:50 PM
I don't see how Xev's beliefs, be they objectionable or not, relate to her current capacity.
She does her job.
Besides, certainly, she is the philosophical superior of most, if not all, of Sciforums; if the shoe fits...
airavata
05-01-04, 07:25 AM
If she has the support of the administration here on Sci, what's the point of this thread?
Shut this thread, ban wellcooked for his insolence and rule Sci like the dictatorship it is.
ElectricFetus
05-01-04, 10:59 PM
airavata,
how about instead I just smack you upside the head, with a giant spike and impale you to a wall? You can be suffice for are forum god! http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/Metzel/metzel006.gif
dictatorship we maybe but we have a very lax and nice dictator (at least while he’s not angry)
airavata
05-02-04, 12:41 AM
I was being serious. I like the dictatorship on Sci.
You can be suffice for are forum god
What the hell are you trying to say? Run your stuff through a grammar check if need be.
2inquisitive
05-02-04, 12:59 AM
"You can be the sacrifice for our forum god." I, too, once questioned WellCooked about
his misuse of a word, but I didn't realize he was not a native English speaker at the
time. A delayed apology for that, WellCooked.
Rappaccini
05-02-04, 01:10 AM
He speaks emoticon-ese, normally.
ElectricFetus
05-02-04, 01:58 AM
sorry my fingers are not full form! http://forums.guru3d.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_double_fingers.gif
Porfiry
05-02-04, 01:34 PM
Wow, it's like Pidgin English. Impressive.
Stryder
05-02-04, 01:45 PM
I although I don't agree with some of Xev's views, I see most of her sentiments that people tend to complain about as being a netiquette character of her creation.
The entire reason why she problem says things that some of you lot dislike is down to the number of males on the internet that think its a ground for trying to get porn from.
Her harsh attitude is probably just to get you dogs to lay down. WOOF! WOOF!
Although Xev is a self confessed Racist, I don't exactly see her spreading website addresses of the new dawn of the third Reicht, or perpetuating the downfall of one race over the superiority of another.
laughing weasel
05-02-04, 03:46 PM
Are we asking weather we like her or if we think that she should be allowed to do her job until she is proven to be doing poorly at it? Leave the kid alone until she does something to some ones post which is unwarranted. We all have unpopular opinions on some issues. You should not punish some one for bad thoughts.
Dreamwalker
05-02-04, 03:50 PM
I think Xev is ok. Don´t know why you dislike her so much. Ah, but most of you have been here longer than me, perhaps you are right.
But for now, Xev has my support.
lostminotaur
05-04-04, 07:08 AM
xev is a great mod.. she stays
Although I consider Xev to be a complete self centered bitch who's only success in life was to rant and complain about the smallest shit in the world, I think she should stay, I mean comeon, its not her fault Menopause started right?
Really, she's the perfect example of how not to respond to posts if you want to say something intelligent or civilized, therefore we must keep her as a reversive rolemodel to keep things on these forums in order.
Arditezza
05-04-04, 02:58 PM
My objection to Xev is that she will continually ad hom people with one and two line posts, and then scold you in another thread for exactly the same thing saying that it's not a chat room. As a moderator, she should not make different rules for herself while enforcing rules on others. It sets a bad example and it's hypocritical. I do think that when she edits a post, it should state that she herself has edited it no matter what the case. We should know when people have been edited by a moderator that has shown poor judgement and immaturity. Despite the fact that I think Xev is extremely intelligent, I find that she is a poor moderator at best for all the reasons I just stated. Her presence there is one of the sole reasons that the posts there are not as intelligent, or in-depth as some of the other forums on this site. When people are repeatedly held to different standards than the moderators and are edited/deleted when and egoist sees fit without connotation of the fact that they were edited or why... it does defeat the purpose of having an open forum.
Most of the very intelligent people simply don't post there because there is no point in arguing with the retards that stay under the radar in that forum and don't challenge Xev. Because of Xev's attitude and actions, that forum in particular has been a haven for morons and retards despite Xev's intentions that it become more intelligent. Good debates go horrible wrong because of people who are protected under your "free speech" stuff and Xev seems to have it out for the more intelligent of the people with her abrasiveness. The only ones who stay are the ones with enough "balls" to put up with Xev... that's not right. So now you have a bunch of Egoists, and a bunch of idiots all duking it out thinking they all know philosophy.
paulsamuel
05-04-04, 04:01 PM
I wouldn't agree that Xev does her job at all, let alone does her job well. Perhaps I am wrongly assuming what a moderator does here. As moderator is defined, she certainly is not doing her job. Her comments are inflammatory, not moderating. Perhaps we can list, or itemize, the duties of a moderator, then evaluate Xev based upon what she does relative to what she's supposed to do.
ElectricFetus
05-04-04, 04:41 PM
... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?
Arditezza
05-04-04, 04:56 PM
... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34594&page=3&pp=20
Note the end of the conversation, where she threw a few ad homs at me in particular, in a chatty and fairly catty sort of way. Then note this;
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34869&page=3&pp=20
On the same day barely an hour later, in another thread where she reminds people that it's not a chat room.
It's this kind of hypocracy that I am speaking of. I think her ad homs in most of her posts shouldn't be hard to find, and her immaturity is pretty prevalant as well. Humiliating people is not a good way to moderate.
paulsamuel
05-04-04, 05:06 PM
... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?
some examples
Padma:
Hush now, having a womb less fertile than the Sahara is no reason to barge in.
Now, if someone were to "barge in" to you, would he get friction burns on his penis? Or do barren women produce as much lubricant as us fertile ones do?
You lying fucking cumbucket, I did not say any such thing. I gave a snide expose of what motivates a pencil-dicked moron like you to make such assertions............You pathetic cunt, I haven't even been arguing the existence/nonexistence of race.
Try fucking a real woman - you won't take rejection as badly when it comes from the cyber ones. ;)
cunt:
ElectricFetus
05-04-04, 07:12 PM
those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?
Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.
paulsamuel
05-04-04, 07:52 PM
those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?
Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.
my point is that these are not moderating statements
moderators should moderate, not inflame
if he wants to be inflammatory, let him do it as a member, so i can ignore him, not as a moderator
no one is arguing whether he is right or not. the question is, should he remain moderator based on performance? i say no.
again, being a moderator here may be different than the rest of the world. so i repeat my previous suggestion; list the duties of a moderator and evaluate xev on the basis of what he's supposed to do as a moderator and compare that to what he actually does in the moderator position.
Arditezza
05-04-04, 08:11 PM
those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?
Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.
So you think humiliating people on a regular basis is a good way to moderate? That humiliating people repeatedly, isn't an abuse of power? There are people that refuse to post in her forum from fear of attack. People don't like to be repeatedly insulted, especially by a person that is supposed to be in charge.
ElectricFetus
05-04-04, 08:42 PM
No I just haven't seen Xev abusing her powers as a moderator, I don't care if she’s a shit or not.
Oh and by the way Xev got 26 votes out of the 50 minimum required votes, which means that she has won.
Arditezza
05-04-04, 08:58 PM
No I just haven't seen Xev abusing her powers as a moderator, I don't care if she’s a shit or not.
Oh and by the way Xev got 26 votes out of the 50 minimum required votes, which means that she has won.
The proposal must have a minimum of 50 votes to pass or fail, but the poll is open until the 20th of May. Until the poll closes, we will not know the outcome.
cosmictraveler
05-04-04, 09:25 PM
Moderators come in many shape, sizes, philosophies and other characteristics. Many people are wanting to say what they want and are "moderated" from not saying whatever pisses off some moderators. I've heard from many types, Xev is just another type of mod that you must learn her ways. Because she cusses or prevents people from writing something she feels isn't in good taste is the same with ALL moderators. Some take advantage of their positions and misuse their power however I don't see that as yet with Xev, a little uppity but not a dictator at least for the present time.
ElectricFetus
05-04-04, 10:39 PM
Arditezza,
Hum I did not think of it that way, oh well let the roasting continue to the 20th!
Well seeing that more people chose no shows that Xev has indeed won.
As for you little concern with her, she does not abuse her power at all. She is very bitchy but never steps out of the line of her moderation requirements. I do have one problem with her other than her PMS and its the fact that she tends to cause threads to go off topic which is a violation isn't it?
thefountainhed
05-05-04, 11:23 AM
Porfiry:
From the other thread that was closed before I saw your response:
because she provided me with convincing evidence? How is that "inexplicable"?
How can she provide you convincing evidence? In what ways did the posts that addressed her position attack her when after I reposted one of deleted posts, she responded to it and did not delete? she acted in haste and deleted posts from both Spookz and I that did not insult her position, but rather battered it. This is abuse, and I for one would like to know how she furnished the proof that would have you believe that she did not abuse her moderator powers.
jadedflower
05-05-04, 06:40 PM
it would be hell if there was a draw in the poll...
paulsamuel
05-06-04, 06:26 AM
we really need to get xev out of moderator status, at least so we can use the ignore feature on him.
i really think we need to do this
loudmouth idiots are ok as long as we can ignore them when we want, but to have one forced upon us is unacceptable
SwedishFish
05-06-04, 10:10 AM
the ignore feature is pretty stupid in the first place. my own internal computer does a fabulous job of ignoring people. maybe it's a cliche, but if someone or a post bothers you, don't read it ! she's never bothered me, mostly because i don't pay that much attention to her or most other posters. every forum needs a...let's say "outspoken"..person around to shake things up.
James R
05-06-04, 10:41 AM
paulsamuel:
Xev is not a "him".
SwedishFish
05-06-04, 10:55 AM
makes no difference what her pronoun is. this is a computer.
Arditezza
05-06-04, 11:19 AM
I dunno, I liken Xev to the schoolyard bully. And Porfiry as the Principal who's letting the bully run the playground at recess. Problem with that is that you intimidate and humiliate the other kids into not playing in your yard, and your fellow troublemakers and bullies stay around. I don't think that should be the intention of a forum, and I don't think it's okay for the person in charge of the rules to be breaking them and being extremely abusive to people (not abusing powers, just abusing posters).
I don't care about Xev's opinions, and I don't care about Xev. What I do care about are the converstations and debates that are prevented in that forum because of the bad attitude and horrible demeanor of the moderator there. I am by no means saying that it should be wine and roses, but it should be a place where every starts on equal footing and isn't going to get rotten eggs thrown at them for even having a thought on anything.
Oh, and now that there is a rants forum, who's going to throw 80% of Xev's posts in there for being off-topic ad hom's against others?
SwedishFish
05-06-04, 01:29 PM
i'm not sure someone with so few posts has license to insult the board's owner. stick around for a while. you'll quickly see this is a exceptionally well run board.
Arditezza
05-06-04, 02:12 PM
i'm not sure someone with so few posts has license to insult the board's owner. stick around for a while. you'll quickly see this is a exceptionally well run board.
I don't doubt that, and I wasn't insulting Porfiry. I was comapring him to a Principal of a school full of children (which most of us are)
These are fine forums, or I wouldn't want them to be better at all. I want things to change because I DO care, not because I'm just being a jerk. I am unwilling to accept the bad, when there better examples and better moderators
paulsamuel
05-06-04, 03:37 PM
paulsamuel:
Xev is not a "him".
how do you know?
ElectricFetus
05-06-04, 03:40 PM
Xev claims to be a she, but in truth we should call Xev a “it” in fact we should call everyone here “it” because we have no proof of the sex of anyone.
paulsamuel
05-06-04, 03:59 PM
Xev claims to be a she, but in truth we should call Xev a “it” in fact we should call everyone here “it” because we have no proof of the sex of anyone.
i agree. but it would mislead all of us into thinking that we are responding and corresponding with a username, not a person.
GuessWho
05-06-04, 04:24 PM
From reading this thread, I can see that Xev has written some bad things against some people but then these some people might have done something to deserve something? A moderator should be moderate but it does not mean a moderator must be moderate. Xev being a racist gave me a strong temptation to vote yes but I was able to calm myself down and remind myself that she does have her freedom of speech. Without seeing any evidence that she abuses her power as a moderator, I voted no.
paulsamuel
05-06-04, 08:43 PM
From reading this thread, I can see that Xev has written some bad things against some people but then these some people might have done something to deserve something? A moderator should be moderate but it does not mean a moderator must be moderate. Xev being a racist gave me a strong temptation to vote yes but I was able to calm myself down and remind myself that she does have her freedom of speech. Without seeing any evidence that she abuses her power as a moderator, I voted no.
you've already voted and made up your mind, so i'm not writing this to convince you, but perhaps other readers might want an alternative view.
Which is;
as you said a moderator should be moderate, and by your admission, xev is not doing what he should as a moderator.
xev certainly does have the right of freedom of speech, but he has responsibilities as a moderator. if he wants to exercise his full freedom of speech he should do it as a member not as moderator. no one is trying to silence him.
what would you need to see from xev to convince you that he is abusing his powers as moderator? is there anything? cause I might be able to find it and perhaps convince a potential voter.
Rappaccini
05-06-04, 10:27 PM
Do you think you're making a point by writing he?
ElectricFetus
05-06-04, 10:36 PM
at least say s/he for Xev case, please. its piss some are our members off... they must have a little sand in their vaginas. :D
James R
05-07-04, 11:20 AM
Textual analysis, paulsamuel. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And, let's face it, why lie?
paulsamuel
05-07-04, 08:12 PM
Textual analysis, paulsamuel. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. And, let's face it, why lie?
Jeez, I don't know, I'm no psychologist. But not too long ago on this forum, there was someone searching urgently for contact email or something declaring it was a emergency, but it turned out it was the same guy (he was pretending to be someone else searching for himself). There are lots of freaks out there.
James R
05-08-04, 01:36 AM
You're right about that, paulsamuel. I have come across some disturbed people on the internet.
how do you know?
Because I fuck his brains out every night.
i agree. but it would mislead all of us into thinking that we are responding and corresponding with a username, not a person.
But we are responding and corresponding with a username. None of you are actual people - you're just toys, the best of you are intelligent puppeteers.
paulsamuel
05-08-04, 02:46 AM
Because I fuck his brains out every night.
But we are responding and corresponding with a username. None of you are actual people - you're just toys, the best of you are intelligent puppeteers.
just lovely!
you may think you're clever and funny, but I would think you would consider this matter, i.e. a vote on your impeachment as a moderator, a bit more seriously; and the vote thus far is very close. I know that this is not a binding vote, but there is a reason behind it, and that is because so many users complain of you.
Of course they complain of me - I'm profane and supercilious.
Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it.
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now.
Have I mentioned that I'm an evil Nazi racist who eats the flesh of unbaptized babies?
But you are toys, a bunch of unknown teddy bears hammering away at some stupid keyboard, toys.
Ah yet another ban Xev thread. The place where we see the insulted and the bown nosers wishing to avoid future insults congregate.
Lets face it, Xev is a pain in the arse. She's crude, rude and prone to philosophical rantings, but I admit it, at times she's amusing. But does that mean that her behaviour stops her from moderating? From what I've seen in my time on this forum, the answer is no. To assume that because she's a moderator, she should therefore not be granted any so called freedom of speech is ridiculous. If you don't like what she writes, then don't read it. It's simple and easy. She runs her forum well and apart from a few incidents in there, we get our say. She rectifies the mistakes that she makes in her forum. When she participates in other forums on this site, she is just a mere member like the rest of us. We all abuse each other and we all call each other names on the forums on this site, why can't she do the same when she's not moderating? If any of you were ever made a moderator on this site, would you refrain from participating in another forum (where you are not a moderator) and calling others a dickhead? Somehow I doubt it.
From what I've seen, moderators are supposed to maintain their forum and prevent members from behaving like baboons in a cage. But when they are participating in other forums, they are just like the rest of us and should be allowed to throw shit at others between the cage bars like the rest of us do (as far as the rules apply :p). I was not aware that moderators had to adhere to some moral code in all forums aside from their own. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any moderators because I don't think anyone would volunteer. Those of you who think that moderators should be moral role models to the rest of us need to get out a bit more. If you're looking to unknown faceless individuals as a role model, then you have some deep seated issues that needs to be addressed. No offence to any of the mods on here but I for one do not consider any of you to be role models. This is not summer camp where we all play and have camp counsellors to keep us in line and to have as role models.
Sure many in here dislike Xev, but that is not reason enough to remove her as a moderator.
Have I mentioned that I'm an evil Nazi racist who eats the flesh of unbaptized babies?
We really don't need to hear about your sexual escapades.
paulsamuel
05-08-04, 04:48 AM
I strongly disagree with your opinion.
Xev, as a member, is tolerable, ignorable and entitled to her freedom of speech.
As a moderator, she has a job and a responsibility to members and the forum as a whole.
This type of response,
"Of course they complain of me - I'm profane and supercilious.
Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it.
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now, "
undermines the hard work other moderators do, and the most diffcult work of Porfiry in building and maintaining this forum. It's unacceptable for a moderator, and she should be summarily dismissed.
James R
05-08-04, 06:44 AM
Because I fuck his brains out every night.
Shhh! Don't tell them that!
Dreamwalker
05-08-04, 06:59 AM
Too late James :D
Originally posted by paulsamuel:
This type of response, ? Originally Posted by Xev "Of course they complain of me - I'm profane and supercilious. Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started? I love it. I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now, " ? undermines the hard work other moderators do, and the most diffcult work of Porfiry in building and maintaining this forum. It's unacceptable for a moderator, and she should be summarily dismissed. Today 10:02 AM
But she did not answer as a moderator, did she?
She answers as a memeber. Everybody has the right of free speech, even a moderator, just because she got a job to do does not mean that she should refrain from stating her opinions. As long as her opinions do not interfere with her moderating, I seriously do not care what she says.
paulsamuel
05-08-04, 07:34 AM
Too late James :D
Originally posted by paulsamuel:
But she did not answer as a moderator, did she?
She answers as a memeber. Everybody has the right of free speech, even a moderator, just because she got a job to do does not mean that she should refrain from stating her opinions. As long as her opinions do not interfere with her moderating, I seriously do not care what she says.
again, i strongly disagree.
he obviously has no concern for his duties and no regard for the forum
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now,
why is he even a moderator?? he doesn't care at all. one would think that a moderator has some vested interest in making the forum a better place to be in. he has no regard for that whatever.
i say dump him
I strongly disagree with your opinion.
Xev, as a member, is tolerable, ignorable and entitled to her freedom of speech.
As a moderator, she has a job and a responsibility to members and the forum as a whole.
This type of response,
undermines the hard work other moderators do, and the most diffcult work of Porfiry in building and maintaining this forum. It's unacceptable for a moderator, and she should be summarily dismissed.
Don't you mean that as a moderator she should not speak unless spoken to and she should always be nice and polite? Are all the moderators nice and polite on here? I've looked at some of the responses by moderators in this site and nice and polite is not how I'd describe them. She does not have a responsibility to the members on this site. Please tell me Paul, in your opinion, what resposibility does she have to the members? She is not a parental figure standing on the sidelines watching to make sure no one gets hurt. She is not someone that members are meant to be looking up to. As a moderator, her role is to ensure that the members play by the rules set for that particular forum, in her case, the Philosophy forum. She does not have a job, she is not payed for being a moderator. You fail to realise that when she is in the Philosophy forum, she is a moderator. When she participates in the Human Sciences forum, she is a member, therefore she has the freedom of speech that other members have. Within her own forum where she moderates, she must ensure that the rules she's set down aren't broken and that the discussions continue on a philosophical level.
The other moderators don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. So why do you? After all, if, as you say, their work was being undermined, don't you think they'd have said something about it? You are just upset because she disagrees with you in regards to the 'race' issue and because she calls you paula.
As for your example of why she should be 'summarily dismissed' (that had me laughing so hard I snorted)... why? Did she make that statement as a moderator or as a member? Since she is not a moderator in this particular forum, it would mean that she is here as a member.
Rappaccini
05-08-04, 01:00 PM
why is he even a moderator?? he doesn't care at all. one would think that a moderator has some vested interest in making the forum a better place to be in. he has no regard for that whatever.
i say dump him
Again, do you think you're making a point by writing he?
It just makes you look stubborn.
paulsamuel
05-08-04, 03:01 PM
Don't you mean that as a moderator she should not speak unless spoken to and she should always be nice and polite? Are all the moderators nice and polite on here?
Where would you get that idea from what I've written? I've never even accused Xev of being impolite.
She does not have a responsibility to the members on this site. Please tell me Paul, in your opinion, what resposibility does she have to the members?
Since he sought, then accepted, the position of moderator, his duty and responsibility is to moderate. This is a service both to members of the forum, but also to those responsible for maintaining the forum. By accepting the moderator position, he took on these responsibilities. If he doesn't want them, then he should resign.
She is not a parental figure standing on the sidelines watching to make sure no one gets hurt. She is not someone that members are meant to be looking up to. As a moderator, her role is to ensure that the members play by the rules set for that particular forum, in her case, the Philosophy forum.
Your statements are contradictory. To a certain extent, and by your own admission, he is a "parental figure" with responsibilities, i.e. "to ensure that the members play by the rules." Your statements are contradictory.
She does not have a job, she is not payed for being a moderator.
That is irrelevant. One doesn't need to be paid to have responsibilities to a position, e.g. little league coaches, well really any volunteer position. If one is not capable of handling the responsibilities, one does not and should not accept the position, whether that position was sought or thrust upon one.
You fail to realise that when she is in the Philosophy forum, she is a moderator. When she participates in the Human Sciences forum, she is a member, therefore she has the freedom of speech that other members have. Within her own forum where she moderates, she must ensure that the rules she's set down aren't broken and that the discussions continue on a philosophical level.
I do not fail to realise that. I happen to disagree on 2 points. First, that his behavior is any different in the forum in which he "moderates," (and I'm using that term loosely). Second, that the behavioral constraints of moderators are lifted when moderators leave their forum.
The other moderators don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. So why do you? After all, if, as you say, their work was being undermined, don't you think they'd have said something about it?
I'm not sure why you think that other moderators don't have a problem with him. I'm not convinced that's true. I was asked to come here by a moderator, to submit my views.
As for your example of why she should be 'summarily dismissed' (that had me laughing so hard I snorted)... why? Did she make that statement as a moderator or as a member? Since she is not a moderator in this particular forum, it would mean that she is here as a member.
That statement of his I quoted was an indication of how little he cares about SciForums and its members and what little regard he has for the position of moderator, in the very subforum where his fate on SciForums could be decided. So, it's obvious he doesn't take it seriously and is thumbing his nose at the other moderators, Porfiry, and all of us. That ought to give you such a big laugh that milk will come out of your nose.
Rappaccini:
Again, do you think you're making a point by writing he?
'Cause he wants to suck my dick while I slap him around with a copy of "The Bell Curve".
Who's daddy's little slut, paula?
jadedflower
05-08-04, 06:19 PM
i can't wait until this poll closes and the thread is locked and over with...
perhaps Xev is a shemale, nasty
ElectricFetus
05-08-04, 06:40 PM
The Bells Curve... I did not know Paula gets turned on by works of fiction? :D
Where would you get that idea from what I've written? I've never even accused Xev of being impolite.
So you say dear child, but from where I'm sitting and reading your posts in here, it is well implied.
Since he sought, then accepted, the position of moderator, his duty and responsibility is to moderate. This is a service both to members of the forum, but also to those responsible for maintaining the forum. By accepting the moderator position, he took on these responsibilities. If he doesn't want them, then he should resign.
I have to ask you something paul. Are you physically incapable of typing the word 'she'? And just my opinion, but you're taking this place a tad too seriously. Xev does moderate. In her forum. When she participates in other forums, she does not moderate. Do you get it now? Has it sunk in? She only moderates on one forum on this site. When she's posting in other forums, she's just a member like you. What is it with you paul? Are you hankering to become a moderator or something? Trying to tell the big boss of how you would do the job or how the job should be done? Sheesh let it go.
Your statements are contradictory. To a certain extent, and by your own admission, he is a "parental figure" with responsibilities, i.e. "to ensure that the members play by the rules." Your statements are contradictory.
Yes... it's always fun until someone loses an eye. She is not a parental figure. She's a moderator. She ensures that the threads in her forum stay on track and aren't sidelined. That's not a responsibility unless she makes it one. It's just how she may prefer to maintain her forum. Or she may wish to just let it all go and let the threads go in whatever direction it goes in. You do realise that she does have a life outside of this don't you? Well one would hope she does. But that aside, the only responsibility Xev should have is to herself. Not to some unknown ninny's on the internet.
That is irrelevant. One doesn't need to be paid to have responsibilities to a position, e.g. little league coaches, well really any volunteer position. If one is not capable of handling the responsibilities, one does not and should not accept the position, whether that position was sought or thrust upon one.
She's not a parental figure paul. She's not someone anyone would look up to on here. Tell me something, where you work, do you view your supervisor or superior as a parental figure? Xev's responsibility if you wish to call it that is to run her forum as she chooses. She moderates. Maybe not to your liking, but she does moderate. The other moderators who have commented in this thread have stated that they don't have a problem with the way she moderates, so why are you still going on about it? So what's your problem? She's not moderating enough? She's mean to you and calls you paula? She dares say the word 'race' in your presence? Grow up and find something more worthwhile to whine about. 'Little league coach'... heh.. do you want her to take you for ice-cream after each of your little discussions?
I do not fail to realise that. I happen to disagree on 2 points. First, that his behavior is any different in the forum in which he "moderates," (and I'm using that term loosely). Second, that the behavioral constraints of moderators are lifted when moderators leave their forum.
Again... it's 'her'. And lordy, if it were up to you moderators would not be allowed to have an opinion and would always agree with all that everyone says. Would you be typing in here if she supported your stance on whether 'race' exists or not?
I'm not sure why you think that other moderators don't have a problem with him. I'm not convinced that's true. I was asked to come here by a moderator, to submit my views.
Let me guess. You were whining like an old woman about how Xev spoke to you and they told you that if you have a complaint that you should post it in this particular forum. That's not asking you to come here to submit your views paul, it's more along the lines of trying to be polite in telling you to quit whining and leave them alone. The moderators on here have stated that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Her personality is not in question here but how she moderates and they've stated on the first pages of this thread that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Again I ask why do you have a problem with it? You hankering to take on the job yourself if you manage to push her out?
That statement of his I quoted was an indication of how little he cares about SciForums and its members and what little regard he has for the position of moderator, in the very subforum where his fate on SciForums could be decided. So, it's obvious he doesn't take it seriously and is thumbing his nose at the other moderators, Porfiry, and all of us. That ought to give you such a big laugh that milk will come out of your nose.
So if I told you that you whine like a bitch in heat I would be showing little regard for this forum? Or would I just be putting forth an opinion? How should she behave so that she shows that she cares about SF and its members? Should she behave like you do? Ah yes, but you're a mere member so that would mean that she must somehow act better than you do, in this case meaning whine less. Give me a break paul. Did you expect her to come forth and fight for her honour? Heh... I can only speak for myself but all I'm doing is laughing... at you actually:D... Get a life paul. The other moderators don't have a problem with her moderating style and nor does porf. So all this bitching from you is only working at relieving my boredom at the moment. And lastly, it's 'she'. Can you type 'she'? Or is this some inane way of trying to get back at her for calling you paula? ;)
paulsamuel
05-11-04, 05:59 AM
another example of xev's intellectual repertoire:
in a response to spuriousmonkey
It would be best if you went back to rubbing your tiny cock between your greasy palms while grunting over the underwear models in department store circulators, no?
spuriousmonkey
05-11-04, 06:12 AM
That is how she is. Most people would jump on that one, but I know her broken record.
To be honest I provoked her slightly here and started using her own words to annoy her, but in my defense that was only after I honestly asked what a 'perameter' was since she used the word twice in one post. She suggested that I use a dictionary. Of course then she claimed that my only argument was to point out typos. No my dear Xev, I thought that maybe perameter was an actual word and just wanted to be sure.
But of course at this point I don't bother having a serious exchange with her since the only thing she does is try to irritate you. I can do the same of course. But I try to refrain from obvious profanities, which are too easy, and will scare off other sciforum members, as they have done in the past.
Should a moderator use these kind of retorts?
I guess some people might think they are funny.
Other peope will find them abusive.
I wouldn't give a shit normally, except that she is a moderator. And I think I might see a pattern here. Every time her position is under fire she calms down a bit with the insults.
But of course this all is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. And xev might come in here now and comment on the size of my penis.
paulsamuel
05-11-04, 06:16 AM
That is how she is. Most people would jump on that one, but I know her broken record.
To be honest I provoked her slightly here and started using her own words to annoy her, but in my defense that was only after I honestly asked what a 'perameter' was since she used the word twice in one post. She suggested that I use a dictionary. Of course then she claimed that my only argument was to point out typos. No my dear Xev, I thought that maybe perameter was an actual word and just wanted to be sure.
But of course at this point I don't bother having a serious exchange with her since the only thing she does is try to irritate you. I can do the same of course. But I try to refrain from obvious profanities, which are too easy, and will scare off other sciforum members, as they have done in the past.
Should a moderator use these kind of retorts?
I guess some people might think they are funny.
Other peope will find them abusive.
I wouldn't give a shit normally, except that she is a moderator. And I think I might see a pattern here. Every time her position is under fire she calms down a bit with the insults.
But of course this all is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. And xev might come in here now and comment on the size of my penis.
well, people who come here, and want to form an opinion on the question at hand, might want a sampling of xev, which i'll be happy to provide.
spuriousmonkey
05-11-04, 06:18 AM
That shouldn't be too difficult.
paulsamuel
05-11-04, 07:10 AM
So you say dear child, but from where I'm sitting and reading your posts in here, it is well implied.
I have to ask you something paul. Are you physically incapable of typing the word 'she'? And just my opinion, but you're taking this place a tad too seriously. Xev does moderate. In her forum. When she participates in other forums, she does not moderate. Do you get it now? Has it sunk in? She only moderates on one forum on this site. When she's posting in other forums, she's just a member like you. What is it with you paul? Are you hankering to become a moderator or something? Trying to tell the big boss of how you would do the job or how the job should be done? Sheesh let it go.
Yes... it's always fun until someone loses an eye. She is not a parental figure. She's a moderator. She ensures that the threads in her forum stay on track and aren't sidelined. That's not a responsibility unless she makes it one. It's just how she may prefer to maintain her forum. Or she may wish to just let it all go and let the threads go in whatever direction it goes in. You do realise that she does have a life outside of this don't you? Well one would hope she does. But that aside, the only responsibility Xev should have is to herself. Not to some unknown ninny's on the internet.
She's not a parental figure paul. She's not someone anyone would look up to on here. Tell me something, where you work, do you view your supervisor or superior as a parental figure? Xev's responsibility if you wish to call it that is to run her forum as she chooses. She moderates. Maybe not to your liking, but she does moderate. The other moderators who have commented in this thread have stated that they don't have a problem with the way she moderates, so why are you still going on about it? So what's your problem? She's not moderating enough? She's mean to you and calls you paula? She dares say the word 'race' in your presence? Grow up and find something more worthwhile to whine about. 'Little league coach'... heh.. do you want her to take you for ice-cream after each of your little discussions?
Again... it's 'her'. And lordy, if it were up to you moderators would not be allowed to have an opinion and would always agree with all that everyone says. Would you be typing in here if she supported your stance on whether 'race' exists or not?
Let me guess. You were whining like an old woman about how Xev spoke to you and they told you that if you have a complaint that you should post it in this particular forum. That's not asking you to come here to submit your views paul, it's more along the lines of trying to be polite in telling you to quit whining and leave them alone. The moderators on here have stated that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Her personality is not in question here but how she moderates and they've stated on the first pages of this thread that they don't have a problem with how she moderates. Again I ask why do you have a problem with it? You hankering to take on the job yourself if you manage to push her out?
So if I told you that you whine like a bitch in heat I would be showing little regard for this forum? Or would I just be putting forth an opinion? How should she behave so that she shows that she cares about SF and its members? Should she behave like you do? Ah yes, but you're a mere member so that would mean that she must somehow act better than you do, in this case meaning whine less. Give me a break paul. Did you expect her to come forth and fight for her honour? Heh... I can only speak for myself but all I'm doing is laughing... at you actually:D... Get a life paul. The other moderators don't have a problem with her moderating style and nor does porf. So all this bitching from you is only working at relieving my boredom at the moment. And lastly, it's 'she'. Can you type 'she'? Or is this some inane way of trying to get back at her for calling you paula? ;)
your post boils down to four points
1) "Xev moderates." You fail to qualify that statement, and I don't blame you.
2) "Xev's not a parental figure." We've addressed that in a previous post and you even contradicted yourself after you wrote it.
3) "Xev has no responsibility as a moderator except to herself." I disagree with you on this point, but there's no way for me to know because I don't know the duties of a moderator in this forum. If there are no duties, then you're right, Xev has no responsibilities. But then why have moderators? I suspect there are some duties that Xev is responsible for.
4) "The other moderators have no problem with the way she moderates." You may be right, but I don't see how you could know this. I suspect you're just guessing based on the fact that she hasn't been tossed yet. I think I was contacted for a reason, and maybe some moderators are fed up. I'm just guessing too, but I admit it.
The rest of your post is bullshit; irrelevant personal attacks on me. I won't comment on those.
well, people who come here, and want to form an opinion on the question at hand, might want a sampling of xev, which i'll be happy to provide.
I'm sure most people would have their own experiences and own opinions. Most of us have had a run in with the person in question. Myself included. Do I like her? Personally no I don't. She knows that and I am well aware that the feeling is mutual. But then I don't know her, so who really knows what she's like when she's not typing. But then, I don't really like many people on here so who really cares? A point to note is that she's always been as she is now. Does anyone have any recollection of Xev being sweet and nice? I certainly don't. She was made a moderator with the other members having full knowledge of her persona. I have seen so many of these 'ban Xev' threads that they've become tedious. But the question about banning her here is not one based on personality. It's based on her ability to moderate and the manner in which she moderates the philosophy forum.
"The other moderators have no problem with the way she moderates." You may be right, but I don't see how you could know this. I suspect you're just guessing based on the fact that she hasn't been tossed yet. I think I was contacted for a reason, and maybe some moderators are fed up. I'm just guessing too, but I admit it.
You think you were contacted for a reason? This is becoming like the X-Files with you as Mulder. Do you put an X on your computer screen and the informant contacts you with the info? :p... ok jokes aside...
From Porf on page 1 of this thread:
I again repeat that Xev retains the full confidence of the administration.
From James on the same page of this thread, following on from Porf's comments:
...and the support of the other moderators, I would think.
From Coffee following James' comment on the same page:
You would be correct, James. I vote NO.
Again from James on page 1:
We support you as a moderator, Xev. That doesn't mean we like you!
(Just kidding.)
And then we have Tiassa's comment (which had me laughing by the way):
Whether or not I like you has little, if anything to do with your suitability as a moderator. You may be a spiteful, racist (expletive) but, as has been pointed out, it doesn't seem to get in the way of your moderation. To that end, be whatever you are. No law says I have to like it.
There is no reason to dump you as a moderator, and several good reasons to keep you around. It's an easy decision regardless of what I think of the rest of you.
Now Paul, you were contacted by a moderator because of why?... They seem to want to keep her around. From the replies on page one of this thread, they don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. That's how I know this, or would hazard a guess from those replies...
The rest of your post is bullshit; irrelevant personal attacks on me. I won't comment on those.
Like many in here, I specialise in typing bullshit :D. Don't you feel as though you're in good company? ;)
You are upset that she's made fun of you. You have your reasons to be. But does the fact that she's known to insult people make her a bad moderator? We all participate in trading insults in here, why shouldn't she? Just because she's a moderator doesn't mean that she's not allowed to say what she thinks. I'm going to ask you this again Paul. If she agreed with you on the 'race' issue, would you be posting as you have in here?
paulsamuel
05-11-04, 03:39 PM
I'm sure most people would have their own experiences and own opinions. Most of us have had a run in with the person in question. Myself included. Do I like her? Personally no I don't. She knows that and I am well aware that the feeling is mutual. But then I don't know her, so who really knows what she's like when she's not typing. But then, I don't really like many people on here so who really cares? A point to note is that she's always been as she is now. Does anyone have any recollection of Xev being sweet and nice? I certainly don't. She was made a moderator with the other members having full knowledge of her persona. I have seen so many of these 'ban Xev' threads that they've become tedious. But the question about banning her here is not one based on personality. It's based on her ability to moderate and the manner in which she moderates the philosophy forum.
No one is trying to ban Xev. The question is an opinion poll on whether Xev should continue to moderate. You know that. Xev doesn't even want to moderate.
You think you were contacted for a reason? This is becoming like the X-Files with you as Mulder. Do you put an X on your computer screen and the informant contacts you with the info? :p... ok jokes aside...
Whether you believe that a moderator contacted me or not is independent of the fact. It's also irrelevant to the thread, but you asked me why I was here, and I told you. There's probably no need to keep bringing it up, as I'm never gonna make you believe (mostly because I don't care if you believe or not) and you're never gonna change the fact that it happened.
From Porf on page 1 of this thread:
From James on the same page of this thread, following on from Porf's comments:
From Coffee following James' comment on the same page:
Again from James on page 1:
And then we have Tiassa's comment (which had me laughing by the way):
Now Paul, you were contacted by a moderator because of why?... They seem to want to keep her around. From the replies on page one of this thread, they don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates. That's how I know this, or would hazard a guess from those replies...
So, what you meant to say was that some moderators don't have a problem with her. OK. I never argued against that.
You are upset that she's made fun of you. You have your reasons to be. But does the fact that she's known to insult people make her a bad moderator? We all participate in trading insults in here, why shouldn't she? Just because she's a moderator doesn't mean that she's not allowed to say what she thinks. I'm going to ask you this again Paul. If she agreed with you on the 'race' issue, would you be posting as you have in here?
I didn't start this poll/thread. I didn't even know it existed until it was pointed out to me (by the moderator you don't believe exists).
I don't care that she is insulting me. I don't give a crap. I never responded even once to her insults. The only thing I responded to was her vulgarity and only to point out how disgusting it is.
I don't care if she agrees with me or not. A lot of people don't agree with me and I don't start banning polls or threads.
The question remains upon which this poll was started and upon which I expressed my opinion. You have every right to disagree.
ElectricFetus
05-11-04, 06:11 PM
I don't care that she is insulting me. I don't give a crap. I never responded even once to her insults. The only thing I responded to was her vulgarity and only to point out how disgusting it is.
So basically your saying you have no reason to bannish her? I mean we pretty well covered that Xev writing style and her moderating abilities are two separate things. So what is your reasoning again?
paulsamuel
05-11-04, 07:36 PM
So basically your saying you have no reason to bannish her? I mean we pretty well covered that Xev writing style and her moderating abilities are two separate things. So what is your reasoning again?
There is no banning here as I understand it. Just removing her from moderating. I wouldn't vote to ban Xev.
I've already addressed my reasons, and I suggest you go back to review my posts. There's no need to reiterate I think. I will continue to post xev examples as they appear for edification purposes.
ElectricFetus
05-11-04, 09:07 PM
Sorry for the mis-wording, all this talk of banishing people has me confused. Could you state your reasoning again because I thought many of us already cover how her eccentric attitude is separate from her job as moderator.
paulsamuel
05-12-04, 01:14 AM
Sorry for the mis-wording, all this talk of banishing people has me confused. Could you state your reasoning again because I thought many of us already cover how her eccentric attitude is separate from her job as moderator.
05-04-04, 10:01 AM
I wouldn't agree that Xev does her job at all, let alone does her job well. Perhaps I am wrongly assuming what a moderator does here. As moderator is defined, she certainly is not doing her job. Her comments are inflammatory, not moderating. Perhaps we can list, or itemize, the duties of a moderator, then evaluate Xev based upon what she does relative to what she's supposed to do.
05-04-04, 11:06 AM
“ Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
... or perhaps specific examples of her failings?
”
some examples
“ Originally Posted by Xev
Padma:
Hush now, having a womb less fertile than the Sahara is no reason to barge in.
Now, if someone were to "barge in" to you, would he get friction burns on his penis? Or do barren women produce as much lubricant as us fertile ones do?
”
“ Originally Posted by Xev
You lying fucking cumbucket, I did not say any such thing. I gave a snide expose of what motivates a pencil-dicked moron like you to make such assertions............You pathetic cunt, I haven't even been arguing the existence/nonexistence of race.
”
“ Originally Posted by Xev
Try fucking a real woman - you won't take rejection as badly when it comes from the cyber ones.
”
“ Originally Posted by Xev
cunt:"
05-04-04, 01:52 PM
“ Originally Posted by WellCookedFetus
those are quite funny but do you have examples of her abusing her power?
Hypocrisy is not a crime, accusing someone of being wrong because of it is a ad hominem in its self.
”
my point is that these are not moderating statements
moderators should moderate, not inflame
if he wants to be inflammatory, let him do it as a member, so i can ignore him, not as a moderator
no one is arguing whether he is right or not. the question is, should he remain moderator based on performance? i say no.
again, being a moderator here may be different than the rest of the world. so i repeat my previous suggestion; list the duties of a moderator and evaluate xev on the basis of what he's supposed to do as a moderator and compare that to what he actually does in the moderator position.
These examples reflect my opinion well.
ElectricFetus
05-12-04, 08:06 AM
ya ya ah ya we went over that about her behavior being separate from her moderating position.
SwedishFish
05-12-04, 01:33 PM
good god! if you don't stop quoting entire bodies of text, i'm going to start a poll to ban you. it is against the rules (that little link at the top of the screen you conveniently missed).
jadedflower
05-12-04, 04:46 PM
i hope this doesn't tie. It's getting so annoying... can't you open minded people cope with her? I mean; is she that much of a problem? so you don't agree with her... big deal! You can't shut up everyone you don't agree with. I'm with an>droid.v2 - just ignore it if your eyes are too sensitive.
Oh, but I back Padma up.
ElectricFetus
05-12-04, 05:32 PM
an>roid.v2,
ah sorry about that I was talikg into paulsamuel and her reply to me jsut above yours.
spuriousmonkey
05-14-04, 04:54 AM
I'm with an>droid.v2 - just ignore it if your eyes are too sensitive.
.
I think his point was that you can't ignore her because she is a moderator.
Porfiry
05-14-04, 11:30 AM
Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?
I have this hightech wheel on my mouse allowing my to quickly scroll past anything, its truely amazing.
ElectricFetus
05-14-04, 12:04 PM
My mouse has two "high tech" wheels :p I can scroll away from something vertically or horizontally!
Arditezza
05-14-04, 03:48 PM
Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?
What if Xev's post does contain a warning or suggestion from a moderator standpoint. We would miss it because we have been told to skip over her posts because we can't put her on ignore. Do you see the circular logic there?
Point is that Xev is abusive to people. She doesn't care that she is, and revels in. She should not be in a greater position to humiliate people (she can't be ignored, and yet she should be listened to as a moderator) and have the acceptance of the owner of the board as condoned actions. It's still not acceptable to treat people like crap, and be in charge of them as well.
ElectricFetus
05-14-04, 04:45 PM
You would miss any important or enlightening message if you put her on ignore just the same if you skipped over her.
How does Xev treat anyone like crap this is the fucking internet, we are all safe and snug typing way and someone spews profanity at you, did that hurt you? Was that anywhere nears as threatening as having that done to you in person? Just sit back and go with it, have fun this is not reality.
paulsamuel
05-14-04, 06:03 PM
You would miss any important or enlightening message if you put her on ignore just the same if you skipped over her.
You would NOT if she were not moderator.
Good point, thanks Arditezza. I hate those smug posts, thinking themselves so clever, yet containing no thought.
SwedishFish
05-14-04, 06:22 PM
the fetus is right. i'm sitting all secure behind my computer screen. how can anyone possibly abuse me from the other side of it? they can't...
sargentlard
05-14-04, 06:28 PM
My mouse has two "high tech" wheels :p I can scroll away from something vertically or horizontally!
Mine has one and it does the function of your two....take that turkey.
P.S...this thread is intensly retarded....how about actually doing something Sci related instead of follwing worthless pursuits. She will not be booted....no matter what anyone says.
PORFIRY to XEV
"You are doing a superb job. You are a strong moderator, and our forum owes you a debt of gratitude."
*parody of bush lauding rummy
PORFIRY to XEV
"You are doing a superb job. You are a strong moderator, and our forum owes you a debt of gratitude."
*parody of bush lauding rummy
There's yet more irony in that this one is more true than what its satirizing :p
the fetus is right. i'm sitting all secure behind my computer screen. how can anyone possibly abuse me from the other side of it? they can't...
strange. you discount the fact that the written word can have an emotional impact? i think wellcookedfetus is merely posturing and is in denial.
the old adage..."sticks and.....words can never hurt me" seems to have emanated from an individual suffering from mental and emotional retardation
*it would be wise not to place too much trust on this so called "security" behind one's computer
Arditezza
05-14-04, 07:38 PM
How does Xev treat anyone like crap this is the fucking internet, we are all safe and snug typing way and someone spews profanity at you, did that hurt you? Was that anywhere nears as threatening as having that done to you in person? Just sit back and go with it, have fun this is not reality.
I know some people forget this, but there are people typing in what's on the "fucking internet" and someone (not me mind you as I think she's as full of shit as she is smart) would take her insults personally. Some people aren't "safe and secure" and since it is a real person insulting them on a forum where we DO talk about real life... then those people are being literally abused. Being tough-skinned is not a percursor to being smart, and there are tons of sensitive people out there that could add greatly to the conversations here but don't want to be berated and humiliated by one of it's moderators.
It's not like this is a place where people come to just "have fun". We come to stimulate our minds with debates and discussions, not poke fun at others and act immature and stupid.
Of course I may be wrong, and the original intention of this forum was to turn away people who think in favor of the "reality tv" crowd we have now that loves to rip the crap out of each other and watch others do the same.
ElectricFetus
05-14-04, 09:16 PM
Well then some people have security problems is they feel threaten by talking to people on the net. I don't usually go to philosophy sub-forum so I have very little experience in Xev ruining debates with her fowl mouth, But I would love toe see a study on how much she actually effects debates with her insulting.
Well then some people have security problems is they feel threaten by talking to people on the net. I don't usually go to philosophy sub-forum so I have very little experience in Xev ruining debates with her fowl mouth, But I would love toe see a study on how much she actually effects debates with her insulting.
You wont need a study. You could just ask me or look back at what she has written me. She is a real nut-job...and I guess I am too. However, it doesn't feel very good when you can't ignore her and you have to see what she writes. For some reason my eyes go directly to her posts out of fear that she may be chipping away at me behind my back. Fuck it if you think I'm insecure, maybe I am, but I am also a human being with real feelings.
Peace. :)
Bubblecar
05-15-04, 02:47 AM
I don't know much about Xev except for the fact that she did a lot of "cussing" in the Gay Rights thread. The use of inflammatory language of that kind should disqualify one from the role of moderator, in my opinion.
From the replies on page one of this thread, they don't appear to have a problem with how she moderates.
expand please. why should they anyway? do you think the mods moderate each other like they do to the community? where would their bone of contention be?
But does the fact that she's known to insult people make her a bad moderator? We all participate in trading insults in here, why shouldn't she? Just because she's a moderator doesn't mean that she's not allowed to say what she thinks.
higher standards for higher ups. your thoughts?
expand please. why should they anyway? do you think the mods moderate each other like they do to the community? where would their bone of contention be?
I would have assumed that it was self explanatory. And I have no thoughts on why they should. I don't care if they moderate each other or not. They appear to not have a problem with how she moderates. I'm sure if they did, they'd say something. None of them appear to be scared of saying what they think. As for their bone of contention. I'm sure they are more than able to find it on their own and not have everyone else tell them what their bone of contention should be. If you want to know if they moderate each other, ask the mods or Porf.
higher standards for higher ups. your thoughts?
Isn't that the same everywhere though? Does this happen in SF? I wouldn't know and nor would I really care actually. Why don't you ask a moderator and find out?
moementum7
05-15-04, 02:04 PM
This is a very difficult decision,.......hmm?
Maybe some nude pics of Xez would help me come to a firm decision.
No, I'm serious.
And maybe some of Goofy, and if counsellor drops a few pounds, you too. ;)
bells
pardon. it appeared that you were quite opinionated and passionate on this topic considering the several, lengthy posts you made in this thread. i assumed you had more to contribute
I wouldn't know and nor would I really care actually
that is too bad. can you not see the inherent hypocrisy of indulging in conduct unbecoming and then expecting others not to do so? how can one ask that a certain decorum be maintained in a particular forum and then go on to flout said decorum in others. that is indicative of a fundamental disrespect towards the forum as a whole and nimbyism at its worst
your expectations of a schizoid role that a mod is called on to play (member/mod) is naive. a mod's input and influence will always carry more weight than a mere member anywhere in the forum. at best there is blurring of roles...authority can be applied indirectly
Why don't you ask a moderator and find out?
well moderators? do you all aspire to a higher standard of conduct that the average member? have there ever been an instance in which xev had been at the receiving end of a mod action? has there been any criticisms of her conduct? however, judging by the outpouring of support by the establishment, i suspect that politics dictates a kneejerk reaction of mutual backscratching and a circling of wagons which is of course, (if i may dare say) a fairly typical, animal like response.
I would have assumed that it was self explanatory.
how so?
I was not aware that moderators had to adhere to some moral code in all forums aside from their own. If that was the case, there wouldn't be any moderators because I don't think anyone would volunteer
that is a sad indictment of the members. i do not buy it
on a side note, racial separatism as espoused by this "exemplary" member/moderator, has in its origins, notions of purity. implicit in that notion are the categories of subhumans. that in turn give rise to.......
http://www.asianjoke.com/pix/images/laundryman.gif
ahh so! velly velly clean
freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism nor does it mean acceptance.
sargentlard
05-15-04, 03:33 PM
I don't know much about Xev except for the fact that she did a lot of "cussing" in the Gay Rights thread. The use of inflammatory language of that kind should disqualify one from the role of moderator, in my opinion.
Ummm why? Bad poo poo words scare us people?
Why isn't this thread closed?
Prove where she has fucked up as a mod and then start a new thread which has validity. If she hurt anyones feelings then thats another story...frankly you are a sad person then if she did.
Simply booting off a person from their job, which they obviously do right just because she uses less than friendly language is retarded....
ElectricFetus
05-15-04, 03:35 PM
Yes I been asking for that evidence for some time. But I don't think anyone is listening.
sargentlard
05-15-04, 03:38 PM
Yes I been asking for that evidence for some time. But I don't think anyone is listening.
There isn't any. The argument is all based on the fact she is assertive with her words. Its sickening to pay so much attention to one user for being rapacious with her words. Grow up.
ElectricFetus
05-15-04, 03:41 PM
Yes but when there have been told that her wording should have no effect they don't see that, their hurt, her fowl mouth hurt their fragile little psyches. :D
CHESTER'S JOB INTERVIEW
"now chester, i am offering you this job on the condition that you keep your hands off my kids. what you do outside my house is not my concern. deal?"
"yezzz! (slobber drool glee)"
CHESTER'S PERFORMANCE REVIEW
"You have done a superb job. You are a strong nanny, and our family owes you a debt of gratitude."
"tankzz! (slobber drool glee)"
it is lack of foresight and abundance of stupidity that prevents one from acknowledging the potential liability. indulging in the very behaviour that one is supposed to be moderating results in moral bankruptcy.
in the end what is left is neither reason nor respect, just a big stick with which one enforces compliance.
*attitudes like this is what fuels america's zeal, fervor and fanaticism
*usa usa
SARGENTLARD
is this what you characterize as "assertive"?
“Originally Posted by Xev
Padma:
Hush now, having a womb less fertile than the Sahara is no reason to barge in.
Now, if someone were to "barge in" to you, would he get friction burns on his penis? Or do barren women produce as much lubricant as us fertile ones do?
”
“Originally Posted by Xev
You lying fucking cumbucket, I did not say any such thing. I gave a snide expose of what motivates a pencil-dicked moron like you to make such assertions............You pathetic cunt, I haven't even been arguing the existence/nonexistence of race.
”
“Originally Posted by Xev
Try fucking a real woman - you won't take rejection as badly when it comes from the cyber ones.
”
“ Originally Posted by Xev
cunt:"
quotes from here (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=35496&page=5&pp=20)
regardless of its inappropriateness , your attempt to mischaracterize and soft pedal what is obviously very harsh and obscene language is far more distasteful than the words themselves. your bias is apparent and that is what is really sickening
eddymrsci
05-16-04, 01:50 AM
wooo, the votes are now dead even
eddymrsci
05-16-04, 01:53 AM
I am kinda new here, I am not exactly sure what's going on or who Xev is, but s/he sure likes to use profanity, from what I have seen and heard
Rappaccini
05-16-04, 02:22 AM
This is ridiculous.
People, this is Xev. :mad:
She's as much a part of sciforums as... well... peace and love, right?
Who can possibly replace her?
spuriousmonkey
05-16-04, 02:30 AM
Are you telling me that nobody else on this forum is capable of being a moderator in the philosophy subforum?
moementum7
05-16-04, 02:39 AM
Show me some nude pics Spurious and you got my vote Monkeyboy! ;) :D
O.K., By a popular vote in my personal messages, I have received a total of 2045 requests to moderate, I am truly grateful to all my fans out there but I must decline.
And yeah, after a year or so you get used to Xez.
I have one serious question, does Xez WANT to still be a moderator or is she doing it still because it's what she was doing yesterday.
If she WANTS to moderate, Shes got my vote.
paulsamuel
05-16-04, 03:03 AM
I have one serious question, does Xez WANT to still be a moderator or is she doing it still because it's what she was doing yesterday.
If she WANTS to moderate, Shes got my vote.
According to this Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it. I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now.It appears she doesn't care one way or the other.
paulsamuel
05-16-04, 03:13 AM
Yes I been asking for that evidence for some time. But I don't think anyone is listening.
Hey, YOU are the one that started this thread. YOU are the one soliciting opinions on Xev. These opinions have been given. It's YOUR problem if you don't like what you hear. What, you think you were gonna get a glowing affirmation justifying Xev's behaviour, and it backfired???
ElectricFetus
05-16-04, 10:28 AM
Not at all paulsamuel, I wanted to see what the people wanted based on previous threads, I did not know if it would be positive or negative I wanted to find out.
Then again, being Slavs they were of superiour breed than most.
it is sad to see you sell this esteemed moderator short. that alleged quote hardly does her justice and is not indicative of her "social attitude"
in order to be fair, i present another snippet....
....And? The Russians are East Slavs, probably the most pure sub-race of the Slavs. The West Slavs mixed with the Alpines and the South Slavs are the niggers of the Slavic race.
.....that presents a sophisticated and erudite expansion of the original.
Rappaccini
05-16-04, 12:02 PM
Are you telling me that nobody else on this forum is capable of being a moderator in the philosophy subforum?
Not exactly... I just can't see anyone else doing the same job.
It'll be creepy.
ElectricFetus
05-16-04, 12:49 PM
Ya who ever else gets the philosophy forum job will be boring to the max compare to Xev!
spuriousmonkey
05-16-04, 12:53 PM
Give the position to Dr Lou.
I can assure you that it will be a lot more interesting than with Xev.
ElectricFetus
05-16-04, 12:54 PM
no crazymike would be even more interesting! :D
Arditezza
05-16-04, 01:10 PM
Boring maybe, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone less civil.
eddymrsci
05-16-04, 01:14 PM
yeah what happened to crazymike? what's with all this "crazymike banned" business?
pardon. it appeared that you were quite opinionated and passionate on this topic considering the several, lengthy posts you made in this thread. i assumed you had more to contribute
Hmmm was I? Never assume Hathor. The fact of the matter is that I find the whole topic to be amusing. What we have here is not a discussion of Xev's ability to moderate. Instead we are having discussions about her personality. We have the haters and the abused coming out of the woodwork to put their own knife in and we have the brown nosers trying to grovel in the hope that she will mark their name down and take pity on them in the future. I, like many on here, have been confronted by the Xev and let me tell you, it was hilarious. Whether I, or anyone else, likes her is not the issue. Does she moderate in her forum? Yes she does. Does she moderate well enough in her forum, many here would probably say yes. I have to ask, if we get rid of Xev, who would take on the philosophy forum? Who here knows enough about philosophy to do the job?
As to the way she moderates. She is fairly fair in the way she moderates and when she's been found to not be fair, she receives complaints and she has been known to correct her mistakes. After all, that is the issue at hand is it not?
that is too bad. can you not see the inherent hypocrisy of indulging in conduct unbecoming and then expecting others not to do so? how can one ask that a certain decorum be maintained in a particular forum and then go on to flout said decorum in others. that is indicative of a fundamental disrespect towards the forum as a whole and nimbyism at its worst
your expectations of a schizoid role that a mod is called on to play (member/mod) is naive. a mod's input and influence will always carry more weight than a mere member anywhere in the forum. at best there is blurring of roles...authority can be applied indirectly
I've been reading through this and many other similar threads for a while now and it is always a recurring theme. Xev was mean to me and she swears a lot, so she should not be allowed to moderate... she's not respectful, she's rude, she's racist, blah blah blah... If she's mean to you, be mean back. If she swears at you and calls you the names she's known to call people, be bigger and be polite back (will probably drive her up the wall). If you cannot help yourself and must read her posts, don't take what she says so seriously. I cannot understand how or why people feel so insulted at being called names on the internet. This thread is no longer about her moderation style. It's become a free for all because Xev is mean... boohoofreakinhoo. The answer is simple. Just don't read her threads if you're the sensitive type.
Authority can always be applied indirectly by anyone. Not just the moderators. Personally, I treat the moderators as I treat any other member in here. At times I am respectful and other times I am not. It usually depends on my particular mood at the time and the topic of the thread and what has been said. The way I see it, most on here are the same. I have seen many a flame war between moderators and also between members and moderators. The roles are always blurred in here because those who moderate do not post only in their particular forum. Instead they roam free like the rest of us and participate in trading insults like the rest of us. Should we put the moderators in a position where we are meant to bow to them out of respect and agree with everything they say? I know if that were the case, I would not be here.
on a side note, racial separatism as espoused by this "exemplary" member/moderator, has in its origins, notions of purity. implicit in that notion are the categories of subhumans. that in turn give rise to.......
Xev thinks everyone else is subhuman, whether you agree with her or not. Most, thankfully, don't agree with her. That makes this forum more interesting to read. Do I believe in the notion of keeping the races pure? Well seeing that I'm of mixed race myself, I'd be damning my ancestors if I said yes. I happen to like my 'velly velly' unclean ancestry. It has helped ensure that inbreeding was kept to a minimum. ;)
freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism nor does it mean acceptance.
You're correct. So why don't people just tell her what they think of her? Instead of these ban threads where it's done in a round about way, why don't people just tell her to her face, so to speak? Everyone expects her to accept them and when she doesn't, you come crying to mama (or papa as porf, I take it, is male). She probably faces criticisms daily from many members and when she criticises back, we see the crying.
As I said: I don't give a shit about her status here -- but she chose the wrong guy to make a fool of.
How on earth did I do that?
Oh, were you referring to this:
Warning: courtship of the deranged following (sorry Bells)
Origionally posted by an.droid:
Yeah, cool. I'm like, naked too. Feels... so... uninhibiting. Hence the following...
(in reference to an old nite club in seedy Montreal that Wonderboy is crapping about as if... he were soooooo cooooool... still.)
“
I once did, many years ago.
”
He once did. Many years ago.
“
I recall
”
He recalled.
“
the black walls and concrete seating.
”
The place has changed from twenty years ago!
“
Cold and full of multicolored hair, black pants and military boots, it was.
”
Yeah -- twenty years ago, honey. That was during the punk/alternative heyday -- the rebels that have given you a cause today to act like something out of Herman Hesse wearing a Rambo bandana. But... and I mean this in the most friendly manner, if twenty years ago is any indication of what your 1985 pict reveals, as found on your webpage, then I can very well imagine the oscillating vibes that occurred between a crowd of dark rebels and a square-head wearing plaid. BTW, Costa, why not confirm directly as you did for your earlier picts (me-me-me) that Dim and Costa is Dim and Me? At first I thought Dim and Costa were just family. You have changed, my dear, from 1985! What happened?
“
I think things must have changed since then.
”
Uhn, yes, in a nutshell. BUT, why do you think Les Foufounes survived twenty full years? Montreal made it happen. We made it happen. Not you.
“
A cousin of a cousin, who had the naïve stupidity to think he’ll make it big in the music industry, was
playing there at the time.
”
Obviously you were a discouraging influence. A dark shadow haunting a cousin of a cousin's 'ideals'. Too decadent for your military taste, huhn? What is it you like saying about nobility? Something about not being there but trying to get there. Again, obviously, every definition of honour you bestow upon human nature goes no further than your own back door, up your hole. Oh right, you are "the universe becoming aware of itself!" Give me a fuckin' break...
“
But you can only live in the west-island, although you seem the type to hang around the ‘Main’ with all its
artsy-fartsy shops and hippy/homo nuances.
”
Why 'only' on the West Island? Different class? Different lineage? Different race? Different... influence? There are many things I don't find noble in a human being -- and you've presented a bushel of them already in these past few days -- but one thing that truly exposes you, Wanderer, is how you so conveniently ignore information if that same information might serve as a bridge, a reconciliation, a climbing of mountains for another. But no, you will steal that advantage away from them and cut it all up in little pieces just like quaint Vex is fond of doing, and repackaging it all up as 'truth'! But your truth. The truth. God's truth! -- You've forgotten what I wrote to you already, mmmh? Something about needing to be near the airport and watching the planes taking off, and the only reason why I moved here on the West Island? And something about not being into the gay world at all at all. God! I went at length over that one, about not only feeling alienated by the gay world but also disagreeing with it totally. I was being very emphatic! I was being very explicit! I was sharing information. Yet, Wanderer, I've watched you here in these last few days totally mesmerised at how conveniently and deliberately you will twist the truth, just to suit your own selfish purposes. A-MAZE-ING. Totally amazing. Nobility! Gutter majesty, if you ask me. You may think you're being smart in public, but in private, in the quietest of moments when I wrote all that I did to you, I was also being watched... by the greatness of the universe. And that, baby, you cannot, CAN NEVER, re-write! But write all you want here --blah-blah-blah--: cheap SciForum moments is your idea of greatness, isn't it? Warhol's "15-minute claim to fame."
“
The Go-Go Lounge is not bad.
”
Couldn't care less. What ever that is. The last time I went out at a club was like two whole years ago. One of these up-coming days, though, I'm planning on visiting the newest and hottest clubs, like Drugstore's and Stereo's. And dance the last trailing remnants of your horrible being out of my system. Exorism, I think they call it. And what joy that will be! I am of the Dionysian type, recall? Or have you already erased that too out of your stingy memory? Apollo would be sadden. But I don't think Apollo is even aware of your existence. But I'll be sure to whisper all about you in his ear, just for... illustration. I do things when there is purpose. Not when there is a desire for 'control'.
“
But I don’t go out much, the wildlife sickens me. I have to save up energy for a day or two beforehand to
be able to tolerate the hustle-and-bustle of morons trying to get laid and doing ANTHING for it; including selling their dignity.
”
And again, Wanderer reverts to degrading a whole population simply because he doesn't go out much!
“
And strip-joints leave me indifferent. An ass and tits, doing the stripper two- step, only interesting from a
distance for so long before boredom sets in and I start focusing on the patrons and the lust in their disgusting, needy, weak eyes.
”
Oh? I thought you liked Amazon's along the dusty bank of lower St. James' street (far away from Old Montreal). Or are you now trying to get out of it for Vex's sake? The girls at Amazon's website are indeed voluptuous. Not fugly.
Anyhoo-
So you like to 'focus' on the negative -- and even go at lengths to invent it if need be. Strip-joints are meant to be lascivious environments, silly you! Why in hell pick on that?
“
But why such animosity towards Xev?
”
None of your goddamn impertinent business.
“
It is with me that you have a problem; for reasons beyond my ability to consider. Sorry for not being gay.
”
You said it, mister. But there's a whole lot more, isn't there, Wanderer? A whole lot more!
Now... go off and play in your mercenary sandbox -- but should you go out in the real world, perhaps you'll deign to find a third pair of sandles imprinted along the beach someday... Blaming Jesus for not being there when you most needed him! Tsk. Tsk. Now, try to imagine how you could be there for anyone! "Actions say more than words," don't they, Wanderer dearest?
After I wrote you my last emails all in one night, and as I bled there hoping for a response from you, and after giving you three choices: to attack me and tell me to fuck off, to ignore me completely, or to write a 'polite' letter... you seemed oblivious and chose to cop out. Blood to blood means nothing to you, Wanderer! Very well, I thought, time will heal everything. But then gendanken wrote a very well-intended message to me -- and in her smart curt way, a whole personality was revealed to me: she cared. And she was being honest. Something you and the vex don't quite know about, do you? How you envie it in others tho'. But I could not leave gendanken's post unanswered. So I replied, TO HER! Not you, you fuckin' son of a bitch!
THEN
you had the audacity to address me! IN PUBLIC! After feigning ignorance to my last private correspondence with you? And then turning around to tell the whole wide world web to leave your god damn fuckin' penis alone?!!?? You foul slime bastard! I was leaving you alone totally 'till then. TOTALLY! But your hostile nature has been resurrected, hasn't it now? You relish in muck. Vermin. And you're posting all over the goddamn place! Odd isn't it, that ugliness stimulates your very nature? Not beauty, you fuckin' hypocrit. "Actions say more than words." And to think how much more, how very much more, you've said to me in public, like a million times more, than the feeble, often three-worded sentences you threw at me in your bifold double- meaning emails! Just leaving me hanging there, right? But never actually coming out with a solid, honest understanding or admittance of an upright position? Never being forthright? Just hinting at a two-way street? Why? Human psychology is soooo difficult for little old sensitive you? That when you find yourself in the leading role, on an one-on-one, you cop out? Like a looser? A pathetic warrior? Where oh where are all your fancy words then, Wanderboy? Or do you actually really need the crowd just to express yourself? How independent and free willed you are!! But what does that say about you, Wanderlust? How you "did it" in public against me when all I wanted from you last week was an understanding in private, and to peacefully depart from you without going insane? What does that say about you, Wanderer? Something smelly, I think. Something really really smelly called being Vexed.
And, to further with your half-baked ridiculous accusations that you've made against me here in public at the good old SciColosseum, allow me to distribute a few crumbs in kind -- after all, this is YOUR thread and you've complained how much no one exposes. Or were you wishing for the real thing? In public? Where you can handle it? Very well. EXPOSURE!
“
Originally Posted by wanda's bar
“
Originally Posted by an.droid
That, my dear man, gave me a hard-on. Do be careful what you say, I mean don't be careful what you say to me.
”
Uh, subject change please.
See, I’m not a homophobe.
”
How sweet. How friendly. How... inviting.
“
Originally Posted by Wanderer
“
Originally Posted by an.droid
I'm glad you understand this so clearly. Yet, I can't seem to rid myself of the feelings I'm experiencing for you. Perhaps I've reached a new level, the reason why the gods have permitted a continuance of this abstraction that is lust, affection and correspondence. Because none of it will, in the end, deminish me -- nor you! As a matter of fact, it feels nice that there is a real guy out there who I care for. Something about reinstating a layer of credibility to a social-reality that had begun to bore me endlessly.
”
You almost make me wish I was gay.
Almost!
”
Oooh. Here's another obscure answer:
“
Originally Posted by Wanderer
“
Originally Posted by an.droid
Or are both jealous of me for winning your affection?
”
You're getting warm.
”
And while I'm at it:
“
Originally Posted by Wanderer
“
Originally Posted by an.droid
However, both can't approach me! Notice that Xev will never respond to me directly but in company of several others?
”
I think she just doesn't ‘get’ you.
We fear what we don't understand or what threatens us.
”
That was said -- allow me to illustrate now -- after he said this:
“
Originally Posted by Wanderer
“
Originally Posted by an.droid
Or, perhaps, they are jealous of both you and me together? (I'm sorry, Wanderer, but that turns me on.)
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Ok you are getting a little too Gay now.
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Notice how lay back he is about my gayness? A little too...? Just a little? Sooo casual. And... inviting. Mother fucker.
And so it continues:
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
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Originally Posted by an.droid
Yet, how can a plain New Yorker writer female (Lucysnow) albeit a very smart New Yorker writer female do what we can't, they ask? So, shortly after an.droid came out of the Dearprudence closet, they found that the new Dearprudence was, why, approachable! Even Wanderer could write at length to him! And now without a hard-on! (Darn).
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Heterosexual all the way...sorry.
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Why not tell me at this point to fuck off? No... he apologizes. How reconciliatory.
And...
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
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Originally Posted by an.droid
And even that Wolf guy noticed drabby old prudence. What gives, what gives??!! Why is Wanderer tolerant towards a faggot anyway, they chew??
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Wanderer isn't as judgmental and cruel as he comes across in this forum. Wanderer always reflects the attitude of his fellow debater. Wanderer has learned to respect and judge humans through their minds and to behave according to how the other behaves towards him.
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So... Wanderer understands me in private but not in public??? Interesting. Interesting.
AND!!!
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
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Originally Posted by an.droid
BUT, Wanderer, it was Wolf who made an uncanny observation to Xev when he pointed out that she was only jealous that it wasn't her who, in regards to my explicit posts, 'broke the barriers'. He indicated you indirectly as being the fountainhead. And that, Wanderer, is when I was hit with a soft snow- fall. From that point on I started to acknowledge what I had been suppressing all along about you: you inspire me. (But now that fountain has shifted into something else and I'm not sure what that something else is... but, as you're fond of saying, it's the next level.)
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I'm glad I inspire.
I don't know how but I'm glad anyways.
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He doesn't know how, but he's glad, after all that gay-speak, he's... glad.
Right.
(Okay -- now I'm on a roll.)
About his recent sweet post to me here; about leaving his penis alone... Soooo -- let us pick that mother fucker apart and deal with it, won't we? Together. At last. Once more. Forever. Then nevermore. Ever. Again.
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Originally Posted by humanoid
Testy, testy; for a robot you sure have a problem with controlling emotion.
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Soo... He can say that, after I told him this??? (sorry -- the dates are too much of a bog for me right now to insert):
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Originally Posted by an.droid,
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Originally Posted by wanderer
But my love for abuse also hints at my appreciation and respect for pain/ suffering.
It keeps me humble, it keeps me fit and it keeps me careful.
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Spoken like a true warrior! You see, Wanderer, that's what I meant when I described myself as being the slave to my master. I didn't mean slave as the Queen meant slave; not as a subservient, scrubbing floors to an ideal! I meant acknowledging the warrior as a lord; allowing the warrior to retain a complete sense of worth and purpose. Never ever to sully his courage, his strength, his agility. I remember having a reverie during the long winter months while being in one of my sci-fi modes. (And from where an.droid got his inception.) I was watching the planes taking-off from my window here. One after the other, although against the evening sky I was watching them as pointed flickers of light sweeping into the darkest of nights (lit up like metropolises, someone aptly described them to me once). And I suddenly envisioned a different scenario. An alien scenario. I felt like a dignitary -- a child sovereign, or something similar -- watching my warriors taking off in their spaceships, into the unknown, and blessing them one after the other as they took off, wishing them godspeed, and injecting them with love and fortitude and goodwill. And it occurred to me then that, as the child sovereign, I was surveying my inter-spacial warrior- pilots as supremely distinguished members of my solar kingdom. "What would my crown be without you, my dearest ones," I softly proclaimed. And it was then that another realization occurred: I considered my warrior fleet as my lovers. I was their master but nothing without them. It was a beautiful reverie...
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How noble of Wanderer not to recall my 'nobleness' by deliberately screwing with a degrading 'robot' an.droid -- because he that is not, can not! Now, had I posted that here, I'm sure it would have floaded endlessly! Oooh, in case you might be curious as to how he responded to that...:
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Originally Posted by wanderer
You have such a creative imagination, so much artistry in your thought.
This is why you feel things so deeply and they affect you so profoundly.
How old are you?
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(I could just sense his imagination all fired up... what does he look like?)
Yet -- he comes back here and says:
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Originally Posted by wanderbitch
Testy, testy; for a robot you sure have a problem with controlling emotion.
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Prick.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
I think you take this place and these people, including me, much too seriously.
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What a farce! What a bloody fuckin' farce! And you, sir, not? Never you? You who PM'ed Fountainhead and gave him your cell number? Just to escalate your argument with him up "the next level?" God. You disgust me. Profoundly.
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Originally Posted by Wandeprick
A hypocrite you say? In what way? Where have I deceived you? Especially you. In comparison to whose honesty do you compare me with? Do I not write what I write?Or are you saying that I’ve plagiarized it? Do I not believe what I say? Or are you saying I just make it up to cause a stir?
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You should -- you almighty master in human nature -- you should know this already and admit to my action as appropriate. I explained it already, here. You're hard of hearing??? Gendanken, recall? I logged back in -- but not because of you -- because of her. In my response to her, how could I not mention you in passing 'cuz you were the theme. As every goddamn thread you spur is about you and nothing else! Interesting how you and Vex are hanging around together like a couple of stray cats. Marking territory. Why, I'm surprised no one brought up the proposition that Vex, being a moderator, is guilty of playing favouritism. The pinched nose school teacher. BUT! As you should have known I was only upset at you, you myopic piece of bleeding shit, and how stupid of you to not realize that because of...
THIS!!!!!!!!!!
From: dgillis@mac.com
Subject: Now I'm self conscious
Date: April 14, 2004 3:25:27am EDT
To: c66c@aol.com
Yes -- I'm overwhlmed with self consciousness. I'm almost feeling fearful. Fearful that I've intruded upon your privacy. It's sheer madness that I can read a different meaning in your words. Madness because I desire it so. So I am perhaps ... coercing ... the situation. My wrong. But... please. I think I could take it. In fact, yes. Yes. I think it would be best. It would be best to tell me to fuck off. Oh! I know what would work! **Dissect** my last letter to you. Show me what foul dirt I am. As you did to Dearprudence. Yes. Yes. That would work. Dear Wanderer. Tell me to fuck off. Please.
Followed by this:
From: dgillis@mac.com
Subject: Or
Date: April 14, 2004 4:15:42am EDT
To: c66c@aol.com
Or... you could simply ignore me. That would be the most painful missive. But clean. Yes. And you wouldn't need to soil your hands.
Okay. (Another deep breath). I must take a grip. This is getting rediculous. I... I wish I could laugh again. I just read your Lost poem. It was very harsh. Did me good, I think. However, I have no idea who you meant should read it. Perhaps me. But I'm not sure when you posted it.
Isn't this pathetic? I'm acting like a jilted lover.
Oh I wish I wasn't inspired by you to do what I ended-up doing... when you were telling fountainpen to move up to the next level. That was the final push I needed. But I see now that it has only led to madness. For both of us. And perhaps for a few others as well. That's another reason why I have always prefered being alone with just one or two friends who also understood that I wasn't social. We kept our distances. But we were quite close. In our sense of recognizing each other to our best potential when we met for chats and coffee and stuff every other week. But, Chantal was my last friend in that regard. Then I made the biggest blunder! I discovered a forum on the internet. No -- it wasn't SciF. It was quite a different sort of sci-fi... it was the real thing. An abductee's forum. And finally, the next biggest mistake I've made was to return as Dearprudence after leaving as demo-. And although an.droid was fun while he lasted, he too turned into mush. I thought the thin metal hide would be sufficient. Anyway.
I'm feeling better now. You see -- you *are* theraputic in a strange sort of way. I will envy the woman who will win your heart. But... at least I will never come to know any of that. So I will just imagine it happened for you. Do you care to live your life henceforth without one single person to share it with? Not even family. No one. Not a single person. No one.
Just think of me as a sort of mechanical monk from outerspace.
Now I'm degrading myself again. But it's not meant as that.
Thanks again for your reply to my thread. It took lots of courage to do what you did. And it was very kind of you. Wanderer -- you may be a warrior, and a wanderer, and bald, but you are definitely a perfect gentleman.
Take care, dear one.
Followed by this:
From: dgillis@mac.com
Subject: Sorry -- One last thing
Date: April 14, 2004 5:11:11am EDT
To: c66c@aol.com
God -- DON'T WORRY! -- this will be the last email tonite! (There, I'm smiling again.)
But -- it also occurs to me that I would prefer (should that be the case because I am still very vague and too wishful about your... intentions and... your sentiments towards me, I mean, I could read secret codes from oddly shaped clouds if I felt like it. ) that if you do wish me to buzz off (I wouldn't be surprised now that I must be your worst nightmare! The Crazy Mechanical Fly From Outer Space!) -- (That too was funny. I should do a poster of that. Starring Wanderer and an insane flying android... I'm not sure what would do it... Oh! An insane flying android double-headed with an equally insane looking dearprudence! Lol.)
I think I'll continue with my rebuttal to gendanken after I send this. That should cheer me up.
Geeze. I almost forgot! No, Wanderer. If there's nothing more to say and you wish me gone for good (I think that would be most healthy), you could either dissect me (best), or ignore me (worst), but... I would rather you not write me a "polite" letter. I think that would be the worst torture of all.
D.
From: dgillis@mac.com
Subject: Wow -- reality check
Date: April 14, 2004 5:59:01am EDT
To: c66c@aol.com
Wanderer -- sorry about this email, but, recall, the unpredictable...
When did you post your Olympus poem? Had it already been there? And why did I just now notice it?
Anyway -- you most certainly led me to reflect. Your words -- your strength -- your nobleness. I am humbled. I see now that I am frivolous. I am so so sorry that I have added to your struggle. I am truly sorry!
But you must forgive me. Because I truly wished and desired for you to reach that peak and from there to ascend to the heavens. Is that what you are? You are climbing to reach the heights? Fighting to reach the heights?
I am humbled -- not embarrassed -- because you've made me feel weak and helpless and ********. And that does seem correct. To you. To the world. But I can never get an answer from the universe when I ask it if it feels the same way towards me as men do. Instead, my attention will be distracted to a birds hum, or a beautiful tree, or a gentle breeze. Or, sometimes there will be a sudden pause in my thoughts, a vacant moment as I wait for... nothing! Then I smile and continue on my way -- my happy way along a celebrated path. It is when I am with humans that that path vanishes. And it is when I am with humans that I am told to look at myself in the mirror only to see a perverted and broken and sullied creature that is suppose to be me. Therefore, I am that in your eyes. So I must be it.
Because of that, well... I can not torture you and distract you on your journey.
I am truly sorry, Wanderer. And even if I could touch you right now, and linger my cheek along your surface, you would still not believe me but degrade me as being soft and weak because of it. But don't get me wrong, Wanderer, I am not criticising you for it. I am merely acknowledging who you are. And I do not wish to weaken you in your resolve, your war, your... nobleness.
But, don't the gods admire gentleness also? To forgive me? For although my knowledge of the gods is not at all learned, I... I seem to recognize them. And... although I may be in the pit of humanity, I am also not... it's all very strange to me. But that too I accept. The strangeness. And sometimes the strangeness lifts... sometimes it folds -- like a flower for the night.
Again, Wanderer. Forgive me!
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Wanderer -- you'll never be Costa to me. I have already named you. You are... 1985.
Child - I did not interfere with your courtship of him. For that you might blame his heterosexuality, not me - for I have no offline relationships with the online.
Ok, now I have a complaint to make. :mad:
Jesus Christ woman! You should not be allowed to post courtships of the deranged without posting a warning to the viewers first.
*Laughs*
Okay, sorry Bells. I changed it.
For the record, I'm of mixed ethnicity myself. I don't believe there's convincing evidence that one of the races is superiour, and my objection to the current "multiculturalist" trend is that heritage loses meaning when it is commercialized in the name of "celebrating diversity".
On the other hand, I've known several white supremicists as complete losers who found their sense of accomplishment by parading the achievements of their ancestors. I feel pride in my heritage as I continue it, not as something I look back upon.
And I have nothing but respect for a Negro, a Native American or Asiatic who acts the same way.
are there not rules against excessive quotations? this is exactly the kind of hypocrisy that this moderator engages in. i dare anyone to post a quote of that length in her forum. you will be admonished and edited.
furthermore, conducting what is obviously a personal vendetta which has no relevance to the issue at hand is outrageous. publicising private email addresses is also dispicable. i recommend deletion of post as offtopic
i believe this is a better example on the utilization of quotes
No woman will ever fuck you no matter how much you beg some internet based skank to do so. Please quit pretending that they will so that you will sooner slide into a suicidal depression, slit your wrists and drown yourself in the blood.
Alternately, since you will never have a chance to use it, you could castrate yourself and shove your cock so far down your throat that you slowly choke to death.
Hmm, this is giving me ideas.
Exterminate the Muslim population in America? Fire up the ovens!
Hathor my dear, if an.droid published his email address, how am I being vindictive in quoting his post? If he did not want the forum to see it, he did not have to post it.
Besides, maybe there are equally psycho homosexuals reading this, and he will find his soulmate. I'm doing a good deed! :D
Anyways, I've never abused my privledge as mod. Certainly I am unpleasant as a member - but so are many others.
ElectricFetus
05-16-04, 02:46 PM
I'm thinking that now that Xev see the poll she starting to get serious, but also I'm thinking what reason do we beleive profiry will go through and impeach Xev if the results say so?
airavata
05-16-04, 02:47 PM
Exactly.
This is pointless.
You panzies stop whining. hathor, robotgirl etc etc.
The fact of the matter is that I find the whole topic to be amusing.
that confession astounds me. you discount the fact that a sizable portion do not want her as moderator. you refuse to see the even the slightest merit in their arguments. it is unfortunate i had wasted my time engaging you in conversation as i can see it is a total waste of time. i am thankful tho you had not adopted the same abusive tone as you did with paulsamuel
What we have here is not a discussion of Xev's ability to moderate. Instead we are having discussions about her personality.
your naivety further astounds. the trend i notice is your prediliction to compartmentalize. your mistake is to project that ability to others
the crux of the matter was best explained by arditezza in an earlier post
an edited version....
*My objection to Xev is that she will continually ad hom people with one and two line posts, and then scold you in another thread for exactly the same thing saying that it's not a chat room. As a moderator, she should not make different rules for herself while enforcing rules on others. It sets a bad example and it's hypocritical.
* When people are repeatedly held to different standards than the moderators and are edited/deleted when and egoist sees fit without connotation of the fact that they were edited or why... it does defeat the purpose of having an open forum.
*Good debates go horrible wrong because of people who are protected under your "free speech" stuff and Xev seems to have it out for the more intelligent of the people with her abrasiveness. The only ones who stay are the ones with enough "balls" to put up with Xev... that's not right. So now you have a bunch of Egoists, and a bunch of idiots all duking it out thinking they all know philosophy.
the philosophy forum appears to have a noticibly lesser quality of discussion than the rest of the forums. it remains in highschool while the rest have graduated
I have to ask, if we get rid of Xev, who would take on the philosophy forum? Who here knows enough about philosophy to do the job?
it is now obvious that you are one of the "brownnosers" as you had so eloquently put it. this is an obvious strawman and rather disingenuous.
the primary duty of a moderator is to enforce compliance with the tos. you are not expected to be qualified in the topics under discussion. it would be a bonus but not expected. (guilty of presumptions but fairly certain of them)
tacking on this added qualification as an obstacle to xevs ouster is an extremely weak and transparent ploy on your part.
btw, what are her qualifications? what are yours that allow you to recognize her abilities?
ElectricFetus
05-16-04, 03:41 PM
Are you implying that a lot of people here want Xev out because they want her job??? If that so I have a long list profanities to spew at them!
I'm thinking that now that Xev see the poll she starting to get serious, but also I'm thinking what reason do we beleive profiry will go through and impeach Xev if the results say so?
Exactly.
This is pointless.
You panzies stop whining. hathor, robotgirl etc etc.
it is the effort that counts. there is always a chance that the vote will be taken into account by the administration. besides, not everyone is apathetic as you two appear to be. there are those that actually stand up and protest percieved injustices :)
* a single soldier brave enough to stand up and point out abuses will bring the current admin in the usa down
*that is why nothing is pointless
If that so I have a long list profanities to spew at them!
"from each according to his abilities" do what you must.
ElectricFetus
05-16-04, 10:17 PM
What the hell has Dr. Frankanferter got to do with all of this???
BELLS
browsing around this forum i find this post from you
Personally I think the ban was unfair. The same rules should to apply to everyone in the same manner, regardless of whether you're a mod or just a mere member. Some mods have been as guilty as the members of flaming, abuse and obscenities. If you punish one, then you should punish all in the same way, regardless of whether they're a mod or member. If you stuff up then you should face the consequence of your actions. If a mod participates in another forum aside from the one they moderate they are but a mere participant, therefore they should come under the same rules that apply to the rest of the members. Turning a blind eye to unfair practices only breeds further contempt. We members are expected to behave, so isn't it only fair that the mods also fall under that same expectation? We're all guilty of flaming and carrying on and I think the banning vote and warnings and sanctions are a great idea. But it would only really work if they applied to everyone in the same way.
Porf we all really like this place and it's proven in the fact that we continually post here. All we're asking is the rules to apply to everyone in the same way. We are all aware that the decision is ultimately yours to make as you were the one to create all this and now get to see it in its madness. But the fact of the matter is that we are all part of that madness.
in light of that, do you still retain confidence in the course of action that you outline below?
You're correct. So why don't people just tell her what they think of her? Instead of these ban threads where it's done in a round about way, why don't people just tell her to her face, so to speak? Everyone expects her to accept them and when she doesn't, you come crying to mama (or papa as porf, I take it, is male). She probably faces criticisms daily from many members and when she criticises back, we see the crying.
a system has been put in place to address grievances. i believe it should be utilized in light of the double standard that you refer to in the earlier quote.
do you feel like commenting or are you still in your "dont care" mode? ;)
that confession astounds me. you discount the fact that a sizable portion do not want her as moderator. you refuse to see the even the slightest merit in their arguments. it is unfortunate i had wasted my time engaging you in conversation as i can see it is a total waste of time. i am thankful tho you had not adopted the same abusive tone as you did with paulsamuel
You feel as though you've wasted your time, yet you continue to reply to what I post? Anywho back to the topic at hand. I haven't discounted the fact that a sizable portion of the members do not want her as a moderator. Nor have I discounted their arguments. What I disagree with is the reason behind their arguments. Am I supposed to support their argument because the majority may feel the way that they do?
And as to my abusive tone. I wasn't aware that I had abused paulsamuel, but thank you for pointing it out to me. :rolleyes: Now I realise that the pain medication had not really dulled my senses as I originally thought.
the philosophy forum appears to have a noticibly lesser quality of discussion than the rest of the forums. it remains in highschool while the rest have graduated
Heh... you're joking right? Could it be that it appears as though it's still in highschool because several of the members who post in there are highschool students wanting clarification, as they do in most other forum in here? The discussions I have taken part in there have not been highschool. You just have to be more selective.
it is now obvious that you are one of the "brownnosers" as you had so eloquently put it. this is an obvious strawman and rather disingenuous.
LOL! That's cute. Please tell me Hathor. How am I a brownnoser? Is it because I don't agree with the reason behind the cause? Is it because I'm going against the status quo in this instance?
the primary duty of a moderator is to enforce compliance with the tos. you are not expected to be qualified in the topics under discussion. it would be a bonus but not expected. (guilty of presumptions but fairly certain of them)
One would expect that the moderator would be able to take part in the discussion. After all, what respect would a member have if the moderator was asked a question and came back with a reply of 'huh?' ?
tacking on this added qualification as an obstacle to xevs ouster is an extremely weak and transparent ploy on your part.
How so? After all, if we are all baying for her blood, it is only natural to ask who would be insane enough to want to replace her as a moderator on the philosophy forum? It's not an added qualification. I'm actually suprised that you'd see it as so.
btw, what are her qualifications? what are yours that allow you to recognize her abilities?
I thought you said that a moderator should not have to be expected to be qualified in the topics of discussion in their forum? If you wish to know what qualifications she may have, ask her. Why ask me? I actually have no idea and nor do I really care. It really is none of my business.
As to my qualifications. I'm a student and I also lecture part time.
Are you implying that a lot of people here want Xev out because they want her job??? If that so I have a long list profanities to spew at them!
No, I asked that question because of the way the discussion in here appeared to be progressing. And I agree with you. Profanity should come forth to members who would want her out for such a reason.
I thought you felt as though you were wasting your time in discussing this with me?
in light of that, do you still retain confidence in the course of action that you outline below?
a system has been put in place to address grievances. i believe it should be utilized in light of the double standard that you refer to in the earlier quote.
do you feel like commenting or are you still in your "dont care" mode? ;)
Actually I'm not in my 'don't care mode' anymore as the pain has come back and the meds are wearing off. When the ban threads first started, it seemed like a good idea. But christ, look at them now. They have multiplied like bacteria. We are now seeing ban threads based on personality dislikes instead of real reasons. I still maintain that a mod should fall under the same rules as a member in this forum.
Some mods have been as guilty as the members of flaming, abuse and obscenities. If you punish one, then you should punish all in the same way, regardless of whether they're a mod or member. If you stuff up then you should face the consequence of your actions. If a mod participates in another forum aside from the one they moderate they are but a mere participant, therefore they should come under the same rules that apply to the rest of the members. Turning a blind eye to unfair practices only breeds further contempt.
I don't believe that I've stated any differently in this thread. I've always maintained that the mods are the same as members when they participate in other forums that they aren't moderating in, and therefore they should have the same rules applied to them. I also believe in equal punishment.
But what I disagree with in this particular thread is that no one has put forth an argument of how Xev does not moderate her forum or how is she unfair in how she moderates. That was the topic of this thread was it not? We are meant to be arguing that she should/should not be impeached as a moderator because of how she moderates.
If she's stuffed up as a member in another forum, then the rules of that forum should apply to her as well as they do to other members. If the other moderators have failed to apply the rules equally, then we should be taking it up with them. Should Xev face action for how she acts in other forums when she's a mere member? Yeah she probably should, as should most of us as well as we are hardly innocent and pure when we post. We hardly always play by the posting rules of the forums. But that was not the question asked in this poll. We were not asked to discuss her personality flaws or her meanness, etc. We are meant to be discussing whether Xev is a capable moderator based on the manner in which she moderates her forum at present. And I think that she is a capable moderator.
airavata
05-17-04, 12:11 AM
it is the effort that counts. there is always a chance that the vote will be taken into account by the administration. besides, not everyone is apathetic as you two appear to be. there are those that actually stand up and protest percieved injustices :)
* a single soldier brave enough to stand up and point out abuses will bring the current admin in the usa down
*that is why nothing is pointless
You internet dwelling caveman. Perceived injuries on the internet? What sort of a whiny bitch are you?
You're either very jobless or very very sad.
Idiot.
Well, we're tied for and against.
I'm off to Europa tomorrow, so have fun licking the wounds my mean ascii inflicted. It's the closest thing to pussy most of you'll come.
Not excluding being a pussy.
Thanks to all my supporters, I love you with all my heart, you can pay my receptionist on the way out and do not attempt to touch the dancers.
You internet dwelling caveman. Perceived injuries on the internet? What sort of a whiny bitch are you?
You're either very jobless or very very sad.
Idiot.
such bravado. i would however advise caution (http://www.adidem.org/articles/DS5.html). restitution could be had if one so desires.
XEV
have a great trip and see you when you get back. btw, do you intend to visit your great slavic homeland ;)
BELLS
You feel as though you've wasted your time, yet you continue to reply to what I post?
it certainly appears that way, does it not? i must confess it is rather mysterious and inexplicable
What I disagree with is the reason behind their arguments. Am I supposed to support their argument because the majority may feel the way that they do?
i would appreciate it if you outline once more, your understanding of "their" reasoning. how do you conclude the majority may or may not, feel a certain way? i can only tell by the votes. is there an informal poll that i am unaware of? and no, you are most certainly free do as you wish. i do not see how you can be constrained to do otherwise
Is it because I'm going against the status quo in this instance?
you appear confused. the moderator in question appears to have the support of the administration. she also has your support. how can you then claim to be "going against the status quo" ?
One would expect that the moderator would be able to take part in the discussion. After all, what respect would a member have if the moderator was asked a question and came back with a reply of 'huh?' ?
pardon. i was not aware of this. so the moderators are singled as a source of information? interesting. i think one would be in greater danger of losing respect by engaging virulent and crude behaviour than the inabilty to give satisfactory answers
How so? After all, if we are all baying for her blood, it is only natural to ask who would be insane enough to want to replace her as a moderator on the philosophy forum? It's not an added qualification. I'm actually suprised that you'd see it as so.
you appear to have adopted a siege mentality and your reasoning is colored by it. how does the current split vote translate into "all baying for blood?" furthermore that is not what you asked. rather it was...Who here knows enough about philosophy to do the job?
I thought you said that a moderator should not have to be expected to be qualified in the topics of discussion in their forum?
indeed i did. what is your point?
If you wish to know what qualifications she may have, ask her. Why ask me?
the following quote indicated an awareness of it.
I have to ask, if we get rid of Xev, who would take on the philosophy forum? Who here knows enough about philosophy to do the job?
must i spell out the logical implications of that quote?
This is the funniest damn thing I've seen since a clubful of Goths on ecstacy.
Ask Lucy: I told her. "I have this desire to seek him out and seduce him."
Lock up your sons!
James R
05-17-04, 02:46 AM
This thread seems to have drifted way off topic.
There are plenty of chat forums on the internet. Perhaps some of you should consider using them instead of unloading your personal grievances and issues here.
Does anybody have anything to say which is relevant to the topic of the thread? If not, perhaps it is time to close the thread.
paulsamuel
05-17-04, 03:04 AM
This thread seems to have drifted way off topic.
There are plenty of chat forums on the internet. Perhaps some of you should consider using them instead of unloading your personal grievances and issues here.
Does anybody have anything to say which is relevant to the topic of the thread? If not, perhaps it is time to close the thread.
I prefer the thread stay open to allow full potential for voter input.
I also think the exchange between android and Xev is very revealing in regards to the issue at hand, not the content of the exchange, but the exchange itself and its tone and timbre.
spuriousmonkey
05-17-04, 03:28 AM
Xev managed to fuck up even this thread.
Well done...
it certainly appears that way, does it not? i must confess it is rather mysterious and inexplicable
Yes. Kind of like scratching at that itch, even through you know that to do so could lead to scarring. Ah but the pleasure of scratching...
i would appreciate it if you outline once more, your understanding of "their" reasoning. how do you conclude the majority may or may not, feel a certain way? i can only tell by the votes. is there an informal poll that i am unaware of? and no, you are most certainly free do as you wish. i do not see how you can be constrained to do otherwise
I meant 'their' as in the fact that so many have posted on here for different reasons. In fact, the majority have posted in the negative because of different reasons. Reasons other than to answer the question posted in this thread. If you read through the whole 8 to 9 pages of the diatribe, you may see what I mean.
you appear confused. the moderator in question appears to have the support of the administration. she also has your support. how can you then claim to be "going against the status quo" ?
Am I confused? Could be yes as the pain medication I've been prescribed has me a tad confused at the moment (hurt my back and now drugged to the sky to stop the screaming pain... I'm even feeling kinda all lovey at the moment.. I love just about everyone at the moment.. :eek: ). But votes aside, the replies in this thread show differently. Many have voiced their opinion of impeaching Xev as a moderator based on personal personality reasons.
pardon. i was not aware of this. so the moderators are singled as a source of information? interesting. i think one would be in greater danger of losing respect by engaging virulent and crude behaviour than the inabilty to give satisfactory answers
No, they are not a single source of information. But one would at least expect that they partake in the discussion within their forum. That they would have enough understanding to even form an opinion.
you appear to have adopted a siege mentality and your reasoning is colored by it. how does the current split vote translate into "all baying for blood?" furthermore that is not what you asked. rather it was...Who here knows enough about philosophy to do the job?
Maybe I've adopted a siege mentality because I've been bed bound for the last week or so. But this whole thread has developed a siege mentality. And yes I did ask the question because as I stated above, one would expect that the person moderating the forum would have at least an understanding. I'm sorry I did not elaborate more clearly. But personally, I think Xev moderates her forum according to the rules. After all, that is the ultimate question posed in this thread isn't it? Does she moderate fairly in her forum? If the answer were no, then I'd agree that she should not be a moderator. But I think she does. That's my personal opinion. Does she participate in her forum, yeah she does. Does she know the material discussed in her forum sufficiently to form an opinion? Yes she does.
And we are all baying for blood. We always do. Reading through this thread and the other ban Xev and the ban other member threads that have been started shows that we have the ability to become rabid animals in the search of more meat. :p
And, while I was at it, why not kill two birds with one stone? Vex and Wannabe: what a pretty useless couple. I will destroy them both. For, if they are diminished in my mind, they are furthermore diminished everywhere. From now on, when I recall the lovely couple, I'll... *smirk*.
Lordy! Andy I have said this to you before. You really should not take this place so seriously.
I feel as though I've blindly stumbled onto the nightmarish set of Dallas... :(
WANDERER
05-17-04, 07:52 AM
This is the funniest damn thing I've seen since a clubful of Goths on ecstacy.
Lock up your sons!
Jeez, that was funny shit, wasn’t it?
One thing about homosexuals, their always fucking hilarious and entertaining.
It's always nice having one around to keep things exciting.
Just when everyone wants to convince me that stereotypes are over-generalizations and don't apply, I find one stereotype that fits so perfectly to the mould. Ironic how the more some try to convince me that they are exceptions and they don't fall into stereotypical behavior the more they do so and the more many try to exclude themselves from general modes of thinking and acting the more they unconsciously do just that.
Patterns people, that is all knowledge is about. Simple patterns in the chaos and the mind the interpreter.
Imagine that, I’m a ‘closet homo’ and I have a son and a wife as well.
News to me and it will come as a crude surprise to my girlfriend. But I guess I’m in denial and that time I fucked that ex-grilfriend of mine, that bitch, without a condom, when I really wanted to fuck her gorgeous brother, must have produced an unwanted offspring. Unfortunately.
My cousin will find it offensive if he heard that someone mistook him for me but he would probably agree that I was kind of gay. I hate that bastard.
Besides I'm much, much more prettier than he will ever be. I thought gays had a good ‘queer eye for the straight guy’, but in this case emotion distracts from simple observations on facial characteristics, seeing similarities where there are none, and from intentions, finding purposes where there are none.
See why intelligence isn’t enough to produce wisdom?
Discipline, courage and stability are just as important. That’s why wisdom is so rare and why seemingly intelligent people fall for stupid concepts like God, idealism or become sniveling, bitches that lash out to anyone that spurns their delusional imaginings and basic animal needs.
I do a very good imitation of a faggot though. Lisp, hip-swing, frantic emotionalism and hand gestures included.
Hey, maybe I AM gay.
BUT......
I have a problem with spreading my ass-cheeks for hard tubular objects to be inserted into my hole and calling that love.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that. :eek:
I think that the next emancipation movement should come from the necrophilia and bestiality community. Corpses need love too and what’s wrong with Rex fucking his master and paying for his free dogfood anyways? It’s all loooooove, baby.
Why shouldn’t someone leave his stiff to his living lover and marrying him, after death?
Who does it hurt when your neighbor tenderizes his Easter bunny rabbit by pounding the shit out of it and filling it with hot cream?
Why should not a woman enjoy the full benefits of society and marriage if she chooses to have a mature adult relationship with her horse?
People equality is our highest right. Don’t deny love to those that have different desires.
That’s prejudice thinking.
You know in reading the v2's post I am reminded of how sad emotional instability, possessiveness, desperation and obsessive bahavior can be. Being gay sounds too unstable.
Have you seen ‘Fatal Attraction’? Scary.
Can you blame me for pulling out of that correspondence so hastily?
This guy reads ‘hidden’ messages in everything, including flying airplanes, and finds subliminal communications in everything. A case of wishful thinking and over-romanticism clouding judgment and producing delusions. Then the typical denial and explanation of hidden rational intention and manipulation to save face and protect intellectual integrity.
Thankfully I'm leaving for Europe in ten days and I’ll be away from this ‘community’ for a full 3-4 months. If he looks up to the sky on that day he'll probably see me heading east and my red tail-lights blinking a farewell. He'll probably read a secret message in that too.
I guess I can fall back into caring about this place in the Fall, when winter looms before me with its long nights and sorrowful cloud covers.
[I]Lucysnow sends her regrads from Cambodia.
Everyone else
On topic:
Xev is a vicious malicious, deranged, racist and prejudiced masochist that has a tendency to make boys infatuated with her and monkeys jump and holler to draw her attentions, and she’s darn sexy to boot [trust me I know], so I think she should be flogged, tar-feathered and allowed to moderate this sorry community of children forever or until she get's tired of it.
It only seems appropriate.
Don’t bother responding to this, I’m not here until further notice.
Have fun dissecting insects and being all too human and have a long, sweaty summer insulting each other and telling yourselves this palce doesn't matter. I'll be on the beach tanning and NOT thinking of you.
Xev has some pretty mean views and often ends up being very harsh, but she doesnt use moderator powers to do this, she will stay as she is unless we ban her, and that would be really unfair
vote NO!
'Like sand through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives....'
Ugh.. can someone please make this soap opera end?
Yea, Um just keep Xev........She brings flavor into the villiage.
spuriousmonkey
05-17-04, 10:54 AM
It is not a ban thread.
oh, sorry. I didnt bother to read all the threads. Sorry.
No, but if you de-moderate me I will throw a tantrum, lie down in the middle of the department store floor and scream "I WANT CANDY!"
Bells:
But I'm carrying your child, how can you say that?
If not, perhaps it is time to close the thread.
this is astounding. is this level of commitment the administration has towards this noble experiment in democracy? is this an indication of the contempt the administration has towards the community?
your facist impulse to shut down this thread is analogous to closing down the polling station and burning the ballot boxes simply because a riot broke out. it very heavy handed and total overkill.
i made a suggestion earlier to delete posts in question as off topic. why do you not think that reasonable? edits are also an option. please consider them.
marching in here with your jackboots and threats puts you in a very bad light. i would be ashamed. but then again, that's just me
i notice paulsamuel's plea towards you. did you like that? would you like the rest of us to beg for the privilege to have our voices heard?
I prefer the thread stay open to allow full potential for voter input.
I also think the exchange between android and Xev is very revealing in regards to the issue at hand, not the content of the exchange, but the exchange itself and its tone and timbre.
you are correct. it appears the moderator has established her own little fiefdom in this forum. it appears that her mo is depraved psychosexual dramas. this is hardly the kind of discussion that is befitting a science forum.
to recap.. we have goths on exctasy, cocks shoved down throats and subhuman niggers
very impressive. xev, i must hand it to you. you play this forum like a pro
But I'm carrying your child, how can you say that?
Looks stunned... funeral music plays in the background...
The child is mine? How can that be? The last time we had sex was a year ago... Unless...
funeral music gets suddenly louder... then cuts out and silence reigns as the scene continues..
...Unless that night of whipping, biting, amputation and sex while hanging from the rafters was not a dream...
silence as the camera pans out and funeral music starts to play gently in the background...
ElectricFetus
05-17-04, 11:24 AM
Just 2 more days and its over.
BigBlueHead
05-17-04, 11:29 AM
Ah, Xev's famous words that can break bones... many's the time that I wished that I was being pelted with sticks and stones, rather than scarred with her bitter invective. I still remember when she called me... an idiot... sniff. I still have the scar, see?
Well, I say her words have harmed enough people! I daresay that hundreds have died, thousands been maimed, by her vicious virtual vitriolic verbosity. What then shall we do about this woman... no, this MENACE?
I say let the punishment fit the crime! Punish Xev for her poignantly punctuated perfidy by making her moderate the Pseudoscience forum! A few months of hearing about Martian Skulls and Imminent Disclosure, and she'll be weeping in the bathroom at Denny's, sawing at her wrists with a moldy radish. Mark my words!
Oh, I know what you are thinking... it's too good for her! But how many of you have walked those dark threads, seeing the cruel sunshine and butterflies that are offered there - the vast interstellar empires, the aliens who "only want to help". To think that the universe would be full of aliens, and that they - unlike us - are cringingly avuncular and concerned for human well-being! One must close one's eyes to keep from going mad.
Consider the horror then... not only to have to read the Pseudoscience forum but also to be responsible for it! It brings to mind an image of having to butcher and stew one's own legs, and then attend upon the table as others eat them.
"Mmmmm, your legs are delicious!"
Ladies and gentlemen, I ask that you consider my proposal.
You wont need a study. You could just ask me or look back at what she has written me. She is a real nut-job...and I guess I am too. However, it doesn't feel very good when you can't ignore her and you have to see what she writes. For some reason my eyes go directly to her posts out of fear that she may be chipping away at me behind my back. Fuck it if you think I'm insecure, maybe I am, but I am also a human being with real feelings.
Peace. :)
this forum is open to all that want to register. you have an microcosm of society that is represented here (or at least the potential for representation)
why is necessary to ride roughshod over those that are of a more sensitive nature? why are their feelings discounted and ignored? we know they exist here and in the outside world. can this forum be openminded enough to provide an atmosphere conducive to the input of that particular segment?
why is there an insistence on the right to act as an thug?
why is there an insistence on the right to act as an punk?
why is there an insistence on the right to act as an complete and utter boor?
jadedflower
05-17-04, 01:06 PM
My. How sumptuously you expose yourself, Vex darling. For a prude American, you sure know how to parade naked. As a moderator, you know nothing of tactfulness. As a moderator, you haven't once attempted diplomacy here and attempted to mediate between the disenchanted. You treat your position here as any commoner would: as a moderator, you're inutile......................[br/]
There is a minimum 10 character limit, why oh WHY isn't there a maximum???
Does anyone actually read these mega-huge-ginormous-whale-posts???
Not to pick on an>roid.v2 specifically...
BigBlueHead
05-17-04, 01:10 PM
Hathor... as someone who adopts the name of an Egyptian cow goddess as their alias, I'm not sure that you should be talking about how we bare our souls to each other; I don't really believe that people here are showing their "true" selves by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean, honestly, you don't go play Everquest and then complain when some 11457th level Mushroom Humper snips your head off with a pair of garden shears, right? (Well, maybe you complain, but it's more like "Bastard!", and not so much like "You don't respect me as a person!") We usually accept that, in situations where we play an alter ego, we shouldn't have nearly as much sensitivity for the feelings of our alter ego as we do for our own. Not the chess piece, not the Dungeons & Dragons character, not the little Monopoly top hat; these things, however much we may like them, are not us.
Now, if you wanted to argue that people don't engage in enough relevant discussion and that the degree of relevant discussion decreases proportional to the increase of insult and invective, that may in fact be so. Often (as I've said before I believe) invective serves as a valuable indication of an impasse in a discussion, and can (for those of you who don't like the punch-ups) indicate a perfect time to leave for greener conversational pastures - all that was to be learned has been.
This isn't necessarily so, and sometimes a few serious shinies can be had by watching some educated bulldogs bang their heads together for a page or two; a violent discussion is still a discussion, and we may either see a new synthesis between the two head-butters, or (more likely) come away with a better understanding of the intellectual division between them, which is still valuable.
The reason why people insist on the right to act as thugs/punks/completes and utters boor, is that sciforums is a social arrangement with relatively few rules that adopts a de facto bottom-up structure. There are moderators and an administrator, but they often leave well enough alone and will not trample someone for using nasty language or stating a strongly worded opinion. The HOPE is that, through discussion, the forums will eventually assume a code of agreed-upon etiquette, a sort of general will, that doesn't require the Word Police running around enforcing.
Then, the engine can keep chugging by itself and we are all happier. Not so?
BigBlueHead
05-17-04, 01:39 PM
PADMA - you are probably not still reading this thread, but if you are, I'd like to help you out a little.
Here is our alphabet: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.
Now, I understand from your previous post that some arrangements of this alphabet cause you pain. This is not unusual; there are many things that cause us pain. In everyday life, we have our bad days when we think that there might be something wrong with us - a casual glance from a stranger might seem to us as a long, horrified stare at some embarrassing feature of our bodies. A conversation that would otherwise be innocuous can feel to you like the other person is consumed with hatred for you. On these days it can be even worse when someone actively expresses malice toward you.
Now, sensitivity is a good trait. It can allow you to see past the regular occurrences of life and perhaps - perhaps - find some larger pattern in another person's behaviour such that they make more sense to you thereafter.
It can also be a bad trait if you permit small actions on the part of other people to have too much weight in your estimation.
When exposed to stimuli, people can become desensitized; this is thought to be a terrible thing, but is actually part of the human condition. Without desensitization to common stimuli, we might never derive their causes, and instead be deluged with our initial sensations for our entire lives. Allow me to illustrate by writing a poem, in which I am mean to you.
PADMA
Padma's breasts/testicles are nothing like a pomello
They are more lumpy and more discoloured.
Be marble white? Why then his/her fangs are yellow,
Are tadpoles smart? Then he/she is a dullard.
I know the noise of shrieking cats quite well
Yet Padma has a more annoying sound
An tho' I've seen some knees that look like hell
A viler pair than his/hers cannot be found.
And though the truth, if told, would e'er worsen,
I still declare that he/she is an icky person.
Did this poem hurt you? Probably not. You are probably blowing a raspberry at the screen as you read this - that would be the appropriate response, I think. I mean, what an opprobriously obtuse collation of tepid insults! (You might think to yourself.)
Now, if it did hurt your feelings, I think that you need some insensitivity training, which I am happy to provide. Three things will help significantly.
First, I would like you to dig up the vilest insults ever directed at you and insult me therewith. My personal classic insult is "dog-raping baby eater", an epithet so ridiculous that people are hard-pressed to even answer it in kind.
Second, next time someone insults you on Sciforums, take a metal ruler and whack yourself in the thumbnail with it, medium hard. See whether the insult hurts more than your thumb.
Third, go to a thread that Xev is posting in and challenge her openly to a flame war. (If you want a warm-up for this exercise, try starting a thread in the Sewage Forum called "All you Bitches can Bite Me".) Remember as you do this that it's not about "being like them", it's about learning to function under pressure. Better yet is if you can totally slap someone down without resorting to the swearing and degrading imagery, but that only really comes naturally once you can read people's mean things about you without turning red or breaking into a sweat.
It is on the day when these things don't hurt you anymore, that you can continue to pursue the things you came here for.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert Heinlein
spuriousmonkey
05-17-04, 02:16 PM
Can't you people get your own thread?
BigBlueHead
05-17-04, 02:41 PM
It's relevant. I'm saying that, if Xev is more than a minor irritation to you, it means you need to change your attitude a little.
spuriousmonkey
05-17-04, 02:42 PM
Do you need a novel to say that if you apparently can also say it in one sentence?
BigBlueHead
05-17-04, 03:06 PM
Gimme a break. I don't think my posts weigh in as the heaviest in this thread...
bigbluehead
Hathor... as someone who adopts the name of an Egyptian cow goddess as their alias, I'm not sure that you should be talking about how we bare our souls to each other; I don't really believe that people here are showing their "true" selves by any stretch of the imagination.
policing my words? my handle impacts my choice of words and subject matter? explain please. where do i talk about a "baring of souls"?
secondly, as with isis, the cow is merely a represention. she is the goddess of love, fertility and festivities
I mean, honestly, you don't go play Everquest and then complain when some 11457th level Mushroom Humper snips your head off with a pair of garden shears, right? (Well, maybe you complain, but it's more like "Bastard!", and not so much like "You don't respect me as a person!") We usually accept that, in situations where we play an alter ego, we shouldn't have nearly as much sensitivity for the feelings of our alter ego as we do for our own. Not the chess piece, not the Dungeons & Dragons character, not the little Monopoly top hat; these things, however much we may like them, are not us.
an inaccurate analogy. a science forum is far more restrictive than the above mentioned virtual worlds. if that kind of predator exists on this board and conducts himself in a manner as described, it is not in the board's interest to allow a continuation of that particular behaviour. i simply cannot see how discussions are furthered by a "snipping of heads"
secondly, on the matter of alter egos....on a bbs, these are known as trolls.
Now, if you wanted to argue that people don't engage in enough relevant discussion and that the degree of relevant discussion decreases proportional to the increase of insult and invective, that may in fact be so.
i am glad we agree then
Often (as I've said before I believe) invective serves as a valuable indication of an impasse in a discussion, and can (for those of you who don't like the punch-ups) indicate a perfect time to leave for greener conversational pastures - all that was to be learned has been.
valuable? maybe perhaps to those participants who have no idea of the subject matter at hand. what cutting edge discussions are carried on here? is it not the case that the impasse probably had been reached by others, perhaps a hundred years ago? and that all one needs is a history lesson to figure out which paths are dead ends. to accomodate stupidity , you appear to recommend invective
This isn't necessarily so, and sometimes a few serious shinies can be had by watching some educated bulldogs bang their heads together for a page or two; a violent discussion is still a discussion, and we may either see a new synthesis between the two head-butters, or (more likely) come away with a better understanding of the intellectual division between them, which is still valuable.
perhaps. has this been your experience? or has it been one where words are juggled, sentences restructured and old arguments rehashed? is that not the norm? a pseudo intellectual exercise of dubious value?
Then, the engine can keep chugging by itself and we are all happier. Not so?
well alright. i cannot disagree with something that affords the members of this board, a fairly extraordinary degree of latitude. quite remarkable actually
spuriousmonkey
05-17-04, 03:55 PM
Gimme a break. I don't think my posts weigh in as the heaviest in this thread...
It is not a personal comment.
Can't you people get your own thread?
you find my input spurious?
SwedishFish
05-17-04, 04:03 PM
this is out of hand. lock this up already.
BigBlueHead
05-17-04, 04:04 PM
Hathor: If you've read my posts on language and communication (which, chances are, you have not) you would know that I have an unusually low opinion of people's ability to communicate original concepts to one another in the first place.
That is partly why I hesitate to restrict any, even the most inane, form of communication - since meaningful communication is sparse enough without my trying to further restrict the medium.
spuriousmonkey
05-17-04, 04:16 PM
we can't really lock the thread. It is a poll...
maybe some moderation would be in order.
SwedishFish
05-17-04, 04:23 PM
you can't lock polls? i did not know this.
spuriousmonkey
05-18-04, 02:52 AM
you can't lock polls? i did not know this.
You can lock it, but then the Poll will be for nothing (again).
ElectricFetus
05-18-04, 09:17 AM
crazymike has not be banned, yet.
BigBlueHead
05-18-04, 09:41 AM
winning an Academy Award for one's professionalism in thoroughly living. and exploring. and sacrificing. one's identity to a role.
So are you saying it's good to do this? Or bad?
Arditezza
05-18-04, 12:55 PM
So here's the summation;
Pro-Xev voters;
She's entertaining
She does her job
She's offensive but people should be less sensitive
She has kept people away, but those people shouldn't be on the internet if they can't hack it.
No one else wants the job
No one else knows as much about philosophy.
Anti-Xev voters;
She's not that funny, and is a drama queen
She abuses her power (see examples in thread)
She's extremely offensive and insulting
She has driven people away with her insults and offensive behavior (see Padma)
Her opinions and racism preclude her from being unbiased towards specific posters
She keeps intelligent conversation out of the forum by her behavior
She's hypocritical. (sited several times with examples)
She makes different rules for herself then the rules she enforces.
Please let me know if I've left anything out.
ElectricFetus
05-18-04, 01:11 PM
Where does she abuse her power??? the Pro-Xev voters specify that she has not abused her power, which would be the only good reason to impeach.
BigBlueHead
05-18-04, 01:27 PM
She's offensive but people should be less sensitive
She has kept people away, but those people shouldn't be on the internet if they can't hack it.
Not exactly...
Her antagonistic behaviour is not a good enough reason for people to be upset in the first place, 'tis true.
BUT
If someone can cause you lasting pain by writing something to/about you on a forum, then you have a personal problem that you should deal with on a personal basis, rather than demanding that other people be forbidden from saying hurtful things.
They don't know you,
They're just shooting their mouth off,
Don't let it bother you.
Arditezza
05-18-04, 01:52 PM
There were several examples, but it is impossible to prove that a post was deleted without merit if you are not a moderator. There are several people that feel their posts were deletecd without merit by Xev simply because she disagreed/disliked the post or person.
spuriousmonkey
05-18-04, 01:56 PM
Where does she abuse her power??? the Pro-Xev voters specify that she has not abused her power, which would be the only good reason to impeach.
We have a constitution that says what good reasons are to impeach a moderator?
ElectricFetus
05-18-04, 02:29 PM
Well no, but I thought people would abide by morals of what good reasons are. :(
Arditezza,
I would love to change my vote. ;)
spuriousmonkey
05-18-04, 02:43 PM
I'm an atheist.
I have no morals (apparently).
SwedishFish
05-18-04, 03:17 PM
i voted no, but what do i know? i rarely venture into her forum so i don't have firsthand knowledge of how she operates as a mod. i'm sure a good deal of those voting in here also don't know what kind of mod she is. perhaps a new poll should be made in that forum to be voted upon by only the people who post in there (honor system). and close this monster up.
paulsamuel
05-18-04, 03:54 PM
i voted no, but what do i know? i rarely venture into her forum so i don't have firsthand knowledge of how she operates as a mod. i'm sure a good deal of those voting in here also don't know what kind of mod she is. perhaps a new poll should be made in that forum to be voted upon by only the people who post in there (honor system). and close this monster up.that would be a biased sample of posters since those posting there are the remnants of a strong selective process run by Xev herself. I.e., she's already chased off enemies (the rational ones), all that's left are friends of hers.
no, any poll regarding Xev's position should be open to us all
paulsamuel
05-18-04, 04:01 PM
Her opinions and racism preclude bias towards specific posters
This is not a criticism, I just need clarification.
Preclude means to prevent. Is there someone saying that Xev is preventing bias towards specific posters?
Or, do you mean that her opinions and racism "lead to" bias towards specific posters?
Or, something else altogether?
Thank you.
Arditezza
05-18-04, 04:13 PM
I'm sorry, I'll edit it. I meant to say that it would preclude her from being unbiased towards specific posters.
SwedishFish
05-18-04, 04:31 PM
she only has jurisdiction over that one forum. why should the rest have anything to do with it?
BigBlueHead
05-18-04, 04:53 PM
And so, in that secret world where I sought refuge as a young boy, and a secret world that had never dismissed me, and a secret world that remains to this day alongside of me, I also discovered something else there in that magical garden: the archaic self, the proud mythological warrior, the multi-facet jewel that is the self, and the affection of a planet and the glory of a universe overflowing with riches
I understand the importance of a rich mental life; I have one myself. I don't showcase it much here on the forums, mostly because I am not interested in advertising what I'm "really like", if one can even say that.
You can image, after having known a girl with twice the wit and intelligence as Vex but who had never dismissed me, how Vex revealed her innermost soul to me.
This is Wandererlike BS, and totally ridiculous. For all you know, Xev is actually Noam Chomsky performing a psychological experiment on all us rubes. He makes an argumentative post and runs his "bitch" macro on it, et voila! Alter ego.
Chances are, soon he will set up a dating service, matching up those men that chase after Xev with women specially selected to swoon when they hear nihilistic philosophy. Thereafter will be born a generation of genetically perfect Xev slaves, who will do his alter ego bidding.
That sounds like something Noam would do.
Look, it's good that you found inner strength to fight against your oppressive life, but if you've developed a persona for yourself where an unkind word cuts you like a blade, you've still got some more developing to do. Their words, even the most horrible, are drops of water. Flick them away.
If any words on this forum have ever offended me, then I am surely offended by your suggestion that our personas here are indicative of our inner souls. Do not assert that the few crooked words that we give to sciforums show us as we truly are; not only is it untrue, but that is also the attitude that makes other people's words hurt you.
on a side note...this seems to be an issue that should be explored in a little more depth
Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?
the moderator in question acknowledges that vicious ad homs are acceptable. i mean, what is he asking to you to skip over anyway? therefore; is this sort of content an acceptable form of communication available to all members?
now all that is needed is an even handed system of moderation. discrimination between members and moderators should be dropped as of now. member ad homs should be unfettered and free from any form of moderation.
if others, member or moderator, does not like this, perhaps another reminder on the recommended course of action is in order..
Your eyes can't skip over her posts, eh? Some mysterious force is compelling you to read every word?
perhaps an example of an approved ad hom is also in order
No woman will ever fuck you no matter how much you beg some internet based skank to do so. Please quit pretending that they will so that you will sooner slide into a suicidal depression, slit your wrists and drown yourself in the blood.
Alternately, since you will never have a chance to use it, you could castrate yourself and shove your cock so far down your throat that you slowly choke to death.
i am sure there are some out there that can top that yes?
on the second side note... excessive and lengthy quotations. i had the impression these were not permitted. however this thread indicates otherwise. a mile long quote was made by xev. requests for edit/delete were ignored.
is the same courtesy extended to the members as well? will there be a modified tos in light of this?
moderators, please take the time and formulate a response to this post. feel free to clarify or correct any assumptions or errors in my part
or, on the other hand, keep mum and and resume the behaviors that are perceived by quite a few, as dishonest and hypocritical
on the third side note.... this just struck me. if the admin could announce that a higher degree of laxity is afforded towards the moderators with regards to their conduct. the behavior could be institutionalized, all would be aware of this at sign up .there would be no room for "whining". while the forum reputation would suffer, perhaps it could be construed or rationalized as the "cost of doing business". perhaps a"who gives a shit!" might be a possible response
i for one would have more respect if such an action would be undertaken. while i would still disapprove, practicality dictates.."when in rome......."
So here's the summation;
Anti-Xev voters;
She has driven people away with her insults and offensive behavior (see Padma)
strangely enough, xev's "shove your cock down your throat" quote came from a thread where a poster named bebelina was hounded out by the moderator.
Well, if this is the level of conversation this place has degraded to ( and that is not a question but a fact) I will then do something that I really should have done a long time ago, and that is to say goodbye to you all. So goodbye, may your lives be whatever you want them to be. ]
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=29002&page=2&pp=20
is she still an active member?
jadedflower
05-18-04, 06:33 PM
2 days till this thing closes....... isn't there enough evidence on both sides?
Whatever will be, will be....
and is 3 votes, that big a difference?
oh, and another thing (sorry if it's been mentioned)...
whatever Xev is saying, she'll keep saying... whether she's moderator or not...
so half the argument here aren't valid.
paulsamuel
05-18-04, 07:15 PM
strangely enough, xev's "shove your cock down your throat" quote came from a thread where a poster named bebelina was hounded out by the moderator.
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http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=29002&page=2&pp=20
is she still an active member?
this is outrageous!
this xev person is dispicable!
ElectricFetus
05-18-04, 07:27 PM
Bebelina was a homophobie and believe homosexual choose to be gay.
jadedflower
05-18-04, 07:32 PM
let's just chuck gramma out da window...
c20H25N3o
05-18-04, 07:44 PM
hi. i am only new here but i hope you guys work it out.
seems like a nice place already - i hope i dont get caught up in politics and stuff :)
2 days till this thing closes....... isn't there enough evidence on both sides?
Whatever will be, will be....
and is 3 votes, that big a difference?
The leader hath spoken has he not? Porfiry has even voted no.
Bebelina was a homophobie and believe homosexual choose to be gay.
You mean to say that the allegations of the government holding guns to peoples heads making them gay is true?!
jadedflower
05-18-04, 07:47 PM
hi. i am only new here
do you have a nickname Mr. C20H25N3o?
c20H25N3o
05-18-04, 07:51 PM
do you have a nickname Mr. C20H25N3o?
err.. just c20 ;)
I was on the verge of calling him Frank...
..but if you've developed a persona for yourself where an unkind word cuts you like a blade, you've still got some more developing to do. Their words, even the most horrible, are drops of water. Flick them away.
i see the bigbluehead still insists on molding others in HIS OWN IMAGE!
:D
The leader hath spoken has he not? Porfiry has even voted no.
isnt goosetepping rather exacting as a mode of locomotion?
Alternately, since you will never have a chance to use it, you could castrate yourself and shove your cock so far down your throat that you slowly choke to death.
The above is proof you should promote the kerazee beeetch. Comedy genius. :D
f
The curtain had fallen... until Bells forwarded a copy of that post to Vex, and Vex called for an encore in this thread. Hell, don’t anybody here fuckin’ blame me for this second act. But great actresses are in demand, no? And we love to make a second entrance...
Eh? You post your personal lustings on the internet for all to see and then you blame me for forwarding a copy to Xev of all people? Are you insane? Has it occured to you that she, like many of us, were unfortunate enough to have read it the first time you posted all that crap? Why in the hell would I want to forward it onto Xev, when it was bad enough to have had to read it the first time. And you seriously think that I'd want a replay of that first incident? Weirdo! You have your little threesome thing going there with Wanderer and Xev, keep me out of it.
ElectricFetus
05-18-04, 10:43 PM
jadedflower and Thor,
Ya C20H25N3O has a nick name: 9,10-didehydro-N,N-diethyl-6-methylergoline-8B-carboxamide or lysergsyradietylamid for short :D
great name man.
Rappaccini
05-18-04, 10:46 PM
let's just chuck gramma out da window...
Thumps up! I believe you're the only person in this forum that cares about grammar as much as I do. :D
whatever Xev is saying, she'll keep saying... whether she's moderator or not...
Yes, however, if she is un-moderator-ed people will be able to put her on ignore.
ElectricFetus
05-18-04, 10:50 PM
sheeeege, dos how, gramma need not be. :p
c20H25N3o
05-19-04, 03:06 AM
jadedflower and Thor,
Ya C20H25N3O has a nick name: 9,10-didehydro-N,N-diethyl-6-methylergoline-8B-carboxamide or lysergsyradietylamid for short :D
great name man.
Haha thanks.
You can also call me 'Sid' ;)
spuriousmonkey
05-19-04, 03:23 AM
Bebelina was a homophobie and believe homosexual choose to be gay.
But being a blatant racist is ok?
"Yes, however, if she is un-moderator-ed people will be able to put her on ignore"
i didnt know that you couldnt block moderators, makes sense tho
however, i think that anyone silly enuf to block someone deserves anything they get
1) the person could easily change
2) the person could apologize, but you dont see it cos you blocked them
3) you could have misunderstood what they said (sacasm is hard to recognise on the net)
paulsamuel
05-19-04, 05:23 AM
this says it all
Why on earth would I take this seriously? Do you have any idea how many "I hate Xev" threads have been started?
I love it.
I get impeached, I get banned, I find some other way to waste my time. Fuck, I won't even be around for the summer so on the off chance y'all do "impeach" me, best do it now.
she doesn't want to be a moderator. dump her and replace her. get someone who wants to do it, or at least will take it seriously.
ElectricFetus
05-19-04, 08:44 AM
but Bebelina is not even gone though she still here as Zero, they both even write in her characteristic multicolors!
Zero (http://www.sciforums.com/member.php?u=5982)
Bebelina (http://www.sciforums.com/member.php?u=3951)
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=32194&page=1&pp=20
BigBlueHead
05-19-04, 09:51 AM
i see the bigbluehead still insists on molding others in HIS OWN IMAGE!
'Tis true; soon all thy heads shall be big and blue.
But you're forgetting that I also had to live Wanderer. And live Xev. You're forgetting that I could feel them. You're forgetting that I was conscious of their existence.
These feats of the mind are about as intrepid as breathing in and out. We model others all the time to anticipate their behaviour - as such, your miracles are commonplace.
Why are you disturbed by me?
Another Wandererism - attempting to shift the focus of the discussion to yourself and not the subject. Your actions and attitudes are inconsequential to me outside the context of this forum.
Spare me your damn pity. I don't need it.
Then what are you asking for? Remove Xev from moderation because she hurt your feelings, but you don't need my pity. Don't worry, you have it anyway.
We can now, ladies and gentlemen, step outside the universe when we adopt an avatar and a pseudonym and log into the SciForums.
Yes, the universe. Because, heaven help us if we were in the universe, those nasty names would break our bones using the cruel laws of physics.
I'll be beaming myself out of this god-forsaken place. Don't worry -- I'll clean up after myself, unless some moderator has locked these threads that all offend you so. I have scruples too, you know.
So - you're going to prove your superiority with a tantrum? Take your marbles and go home? How dull. Maybe you can go where all the conspiracy theorists go when they "leave" on their one-month hiati.
All you've seen here was but a literary glimpse into my experience. And I'm not even a good writer. But you're forgetting that I also had to live Wanderer. And live Xev. You're forgetting that I could feel them. You're forgetting that I was conscious of their existence.
And I for one am asking that you don't give me any more glimpses. Android, you live your own life. Not the lives or personalities that others have projected onto the net. Sure you were conscious of their existence. How could you not be. You were reading their replies to you. But that doesn't mean that you've lived them. I'd call it more an awareness of their presence online.
Why does Bells insist she's out of the picture while attempting to ridicule me a-la-Vex?
Funnily enough, I was not really trying to ridicule you. It was more a half arsed attempt to get you to stop. By posting so much of your feelings on here you leave yourself open to further abuse and attack. What you had originally posted to Wanderer in the Love Connection thread is proof of that and unfortunately it all came back again when Xev posted it all in here again. I've lost count of how many times I've made quiet suggestions that you really shouldn't say so much on such matters on here android.
You're caught in a downpour. While floating in a lifeboat. In the middle of. The Atlantic. While. Listening to the rain. Hitting the sea. Instead of your companion. Woody Allen. Circa 1973.
No offence, but I have to agree with BigBlue, you're posting like Wanderer. You didn't post like that before all that shit with Wanderer. What happened? Different names mean different personalities? Android, stick to being yourself. You were more likeable when you were you, instead of WandererV2.
But I get it now. You - Bells - many more here, including quaint Xev, belong, when all is said and done, to the new genteel society that has adopted a vulgar demeanour but shy away from drops of blood, tears, and darkness.
No, most of us don't shy away from it. We just don't put it all out there for strangers on the net to see. I mean sure, share some things, but to share everything? Those emails/pm's/messages (whatever they were) that you'd posted in the Love Connection and which Xev unfortunately resurrected again were damned personal and private. They weren't for all to see. Yet you put them all out there in the first place and then got upset when people started to tease you and make vulgar comments about it. It was almost as if you were searching for such a response. That day when you posted all of that, I am pretty sure I made a comment to you in regards that some things just should not be shared (or something to that effect). Sheesh android and I still mean the same thing today. When you put yourself out there as you have done, it is only normal that some will demean you with the information you've divulged. You need to learn what you can make public and what you can't. Unless you actually want the kind of response you got from it? If that is the case, why? :confused:
So you think of it as advertisement, huh? And I think of it as school. Because I have graduated. And I have the metal to prove it. It's called a cock-ring.
Ok, again too much information.
'Tis true; soon all thy heads shall be big and blue.
Ermm the smurf look doesn't suit me BBH. :(
:p
jadedflower
05-19-04, 04:22 PM
who's gonna cry when this thread closes and the poll is over? I mean, there'll be one less thing to bitch about!
spuriousmonkey
05-19-04, 04:33 PM
Just start the same poll again. It has been done before.
:eek: Lordy!
Will some one pleeeeeeeaaaaaasssseeeeee lock this thread? Pretty please? Pretty please with a cherry on top? Desperation is making me beg... :(
James R
05-20-04, 03:04 AM
The poll will close soon. Then we can lock the thread.
ElectricFetus
05-20-04, 03:06 AM
About 10 hours tell it over people. I hope that after this there won't be anyone asking for a Xev impeachment for a long time.
spuriousmonkey
05-20-04, 03:11 AM
Maybe I will start a poll on impeaching the entire US.
paulsamuel
05-20-04, 06:21 AM
About 10 hours tell it over people. I hope that after this there won't be anyone asking for a Xev impeachment for a long time.
this is worth repeating:
"Hey, YOU are the one that started this thread. YOU are the one soliciting opinions on Xev. These opinions have been given. It's YOUR problem if you don't like what you hear."
ElectricFetus
05-20-04, 08:19 AM
Sorry paulsamuel but there were people before me that questioned impeaching Xev they just did not start a poll, so I did it for them.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34724
This thread needs a poll.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34785
So I don't need to solicit my opinion of care about it, I'm just the messenger.
inspite of the apparent vindication of xev's conduct as a moderator, it is to be hoped for that she takes into account the arguments and complaints against her.
perhaps she should reevaluate of her moderating tactics and treat all members in a fair manner
of course, considering her conduct in this very thread, it is apparent she will consider this an opportunity to intensify and solidify her fiefdom. it could be that she mutters.."you aint seen nothing yet" :D
to the pro xev camp
i have nothing but contempt for you lot. grow up and get some balls. silly little fanboyz.
to the anti xev camp
i recommend a complete boycott of her fiefdom. she appears to be incredibly needy and dependant on this xev persona and her moderator status. it could very well be that critics would be targeted for retaliation. caution is advised.
let us pray now, oh flock. let us pray
please god. let xev's plane be hijacked and bombed to smithereens. let her carcass be scattered over the world and eaten by vultures and hounds. let some european cannibal family make a meal out of her (hans! clean out ze deep freezer. there iz enough meat here to feed ze whole village). let her fall on to an electrified rail track. then let the orient express drag her along on a sightseeing trip.
dear god, do not fail me as you usually do. do not make me sic xev the moderator on you
amen
spuriousmonkey
05-20-04, 10:08 AM
Sorry paulsamuel but there were people before me that questioned impeaching Xev they just did not start a poll, so I did it for them.
I hope you learned your lesson now. Never do things for other people.
BigBlueHead
05-20-04, 04:02 PM
to the pro xev camp
i have nothing but contempt for you lot. grow up and get some balls. silly little fanboyz.
Get some balls? This from the group of whiners who want me to help defend them from one grumpy nihilist? Let he who is with balls cast the first stone.
I did not vote NO on this poll because I think that Xev is great - sure as hell, she and I do not see eye to eye on inclusive fitness. She has never directed one of her filth-ridden tirades at me, it's true, but that's probably because she thinks I am beneath her notice. That's fine by me, because I have other ways to measure my life than the attention of hostiles.
The reason why I voted NO on this poll is because one Xev telling me to gag on diseased donkey sperm is preferable to a bunch of whiners having a big whine party because their alternate whining and insulting finally got them the stupid whiney thing that they wanted - a Xev-as-moderator-free forum.
You see, if this happened, then it would be a demonstration that a big enough group of losers, by alternately pleading and flipping everyone off, could manage to detract from someone's life because she happened to interact with them and they didn't like it. Mob rule by losers. "Don't piss off the losers, who knows what they'll do?"
That is not the kind of forum I came here for.
poor bigbluehead
still laboring under the misguided notion that the ban vote was just about abusive language? perhaps it was for some. they however only looked at the issue in a superficial manner
even with the cutesy and somewhat moronic analogies and parodies i posted, you just dont get it
here is my final one
do not get a fox to guard the henhouse
ps: you wasted your vote for utterly bogus reasons. the whining will continue regardless of victory or failure
as for the mob rule bit...so what system of govt do you favor? oh and btw, i do not think you are a moron. if you were indeed one, i would then be classified as bacteria:D
jadedflower
05-20-04, 07:31 PM
so what's the conclusion of this thread?
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