good day. I'm new to this forum and i'm please to share my idea with you all ! Every time i think about new idea, new concept, i ask myself, ''what is the ultimate possibilitie''. All the idea you exchange on this forum has 1 common point: they all rely on law. Mahrematic, phisyc or or other law. That's what make science, humm.. science !!! Repetable experiment and law to define what happen in this experiement. This lead me to the point that we gess more than we actualy know about new science frontiere. so, what the ''ultimate goal'' ? To know everything about everything. The day we can mathematically explain the whole univers and what going inside it, we will have this ''ultimate goal''. Now the big question: How to reach this full knowledge on our univers, and all law and principle that make it turn. Until now, it is by tring all possible combination until, by luck, we find the answer. That's what all reseacrch is all about since the begining of time. The cool thing, is that the more we know, the less renmain to be learn, and we can use what's already learn to help us finding un-answered question a lot faster. See the evolution for the last 1500 years ? Until 1900, not too much happened. since then, it fenomenal what we have acheived. More thant that, we are at the rontiere of ''exponential learning''. We are on the edge of having the critical mass of technologie and knowledge at our disposal to do jsut that. What took us 50 years to undersant and master, took after that 25, 10, 5 years. And now we got major science advance every 6 month or so. Now my main idea to ''cut'' 500 to 2000 years to this process to now everything. We need to build a centralize super-computer (quantum, light or DNA) with all thing known to man inside the database (3D holografik support). Bridge the computer with the database with a neural net type of algorithm. Now, the database is ''alive''. The computer can star make some internal experiement and add his own result to the database. All science people would be linked to the computer world wide (internet) to add their own finding. This way, if some one in Japan is working on a space propultion system and input the whole project in the database, any new finding that might adress a problem in his reseach will uptdate his project on the fly. If the result of his project make it for some new discovery, it will impact all the other project in the database. This is chain reaction learnig, exponential learning. We need to do this has soon as possible to answer a few basic question like getting over light speed, mastering gravity, creating worm hole, getting unlimited, free energy to power all our industries, home, car, robot, computer and space ship into space/time. This is the start to answer all theorie, all question you migh have about anything in the universe. This would be the ultimate project. If we start today, i predict that we can acheive full understanding of the univers in less than 150 years, instead of an other 750 to 2500 years, or even more with conventional mean. That's exponential magic ! Stef
Planck flashback Hi Stef, Welcome to the forums, we hope you enjoy your stay. Aah, the old question for the ultimate goal of science. I agree that the ultimate science goal is to comprehend the entire universe, but more interesting is the question if we will ever obtain that knowledge. Science seems to have the tendency to answer one question, and raise 10 others in the answer. I think things to understand do not decrease exponentially, but increase instead. This reminds me of the advice the founder of quantum mechanics, Max Planck, was given when he declared his intentions to study physics. They adviced him not to study science since at that time it was thought that the entire universe would be known in ... about 20 or 30 years (it must have been 1870 that time). Ironically enough, it was Max Planck who opened up a whole new world in science. In line with my previous statements, I'd be cautious about when we reach "full knowledge", if we ever do... Bye! Crisp
Hi Crisp ! Thanks for the welcome ! The hard part to see and/or acept is that the amount of knowlege/law in the univers, no matter how large, in most probalby finite. The different interction (biological life is a good exmple) of those law one with the other is infitine. THe other porblem is that at this point, we have no clue on how big this amount of knowldge/law is. I agree with you that at this specific point of our evolution, 1 answered question bring 10 other question. I would also say that eventualy, an equilibrium will be acheived, where 1 question answered will not bring new question, beacause these potential question wopuld be already answered. It is enevitable that we willreach that point oine day or the other. The only variable in the equation is ''T'' ( time). That why i put this idea of a super computer with artificail intelligence that can acees all thing know to man to let it play with it. If we work all toghether, under the same rules, and with the help of an intelligent super computer, i realy think we could pull something extraordinary out of it way way way much faster thant every one againts each other working in solo. Never in the past such a concept on linking the entire planet under a big database with the internet and an intelligent computer was available. Now we got that. Let's use it and let's forget about 20 years for major phisyc discovery. with or without it, thing goes much faster these day any way. And it will continue to go even faster. The more we know, the faster we learn new stuff. My idea just take the concept to it's limit to acheive in years what could have take century. I really want to go to other star system and we need a giant leap in technologie to do so. The only way I think we could pull it off in a matter of decade would be with this ''Matrix'' concept. Stef
Hi, Stef ... Welcome. Got a little problem with where you're coming from ... Because it seems like every day we're learning something we didn't know before and what we learn very often ends up with something we think we knew being dumped. Just in the last ten years Hubble, the space telescope, and a whole bunch of new earthbound telescopes are showing us things we never even imagined existed a decade ago. I'd hate to bet our species survival on even the most powerful computer possible loaded with the most sophisticated AI program imaginable when what will be fed into it is incomplete and erroneous data.
Hi Stef: Welcome to the Sciforums. I have to break rank with my esteemed collegues and say that Your idea sounds great. We can put together "The Great Thinker" in no time. Before we do that I urge you to watch the movie or read the books by Douglas Adams (Hitchhikers Guide to Galaxy). You will pick up a lot of pointers. Several years ago (I can not remember exactly when - i had to delete that file from memory), The Japanese allocated and spent tons of money on a project called "The Fifth Generation Computer". It was their space program...(They must have copied your idea and went back in time...) It is a great idea to share information. If I do have a good idea worth something, I would like to hang on for patents or application so that I could buy my mansion with dancing girls. So that great idea contradicts the human needs. Is the knowledge expanding exponentially. Yes. At what point in the curve are we? You think we will pack our bags and go home in 20 years. But it could be that we are just beginning and that in another million years of this, we are still baffled (provided as a species we are still here). There is another issue. Suppose we design this super duper computer and certain group decide to take advantage of it to dominate the world. The computer will tell them exactly how to dominate the world, right? and then, that group dismantles the super duper computer so that they stay in power. Then there goes your idea of supreme knowledge... Just a few small details....
Welcome to Sciforums, Stef. May your posts be long and varied! It is the nature of man to question, to grasp at understanding. This has led us to where we are today. There is no sign on the road of knowledge that says, " End 5 years ahead." With the expansion of populace has come the expansion of understanding. Each carefully and meticulously built upon the previous understanding. As more is known some of the old has to be thrown out as misunderstanding. A dead-end. A faulty conclusion. The rock back at the bottom of the hill (thank you, Bobby Lee). Notice we are still grasping with the understanding of infinite. I have my doubts that we will ever truly gain that understanding to the core of our being. If we can't we will never know it all. It does not stop us from the quest but it is highly possible that there is a limit to what we can grasp. Call it the human factor or whatever. Something inborn that will prevent us, no matter how hard we strive, from perceiving the universe to its fundamental core value.
Darn, the man's got a point Hi all, Stef: Purely statistically speaking, I agree. However, allow me to break down your statement with just one letter (this is so cruel Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!): Pi. In the assumption that Pi is not a fractional number (and at the moment it doesn't seem to be), we will never achieve full knowledge of the universe because we will never have an exact representation of the number Pi... It doesn't matter how many digits you compute, there's always an infinite amount of digits uncomputed, needing an infinite amount of time to compute. I admit it, it's a lame example, but it gives rise to some thought: if even this small, "insignificant" (I use the word carefully) number cannot be computed, would we ever be able to obtain knowledge about much more complex systems ? Bye! Crisp
Crisp ... Simple, elegant way of making the point. Avoiding GIGO is a lot more difficult than believed.
