What About Nationalism

Discussion in 'Business & Economics' started by SpankiMcAss, Mar 18, 2004.

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Good Or Bad??

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  1. SpankiMcAss Registered Member

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    Do you think that nationalism has been good or bad for the world? Why?
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  3. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps you might like to lead off with your opinion, in order to get the argument going.

    And welcome to sciforums!
     
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  5. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Nationalism has served its purpose to take power out of the hands of the Kings and aristocrats, and put in the hands of the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. Nationalism has also allowed there to be about 180 million deaths in the last 100 years, so now nationalism is an outmoded and dangerous thing for us today. If we want economic growth and vitality, if we want ppl to have better lives, if we want to leave in relative peace. Nationalism and its tribalistic mentality have to go away.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    When they were only halfway up ....

    Nationalism is a bit Sisyphan. It is also an outdated tool.

    Imagine that you have a boulder that you need to remove from a hill in your yard. In the past, you might have used a lever or some other simple device. Or, in a different era, you might have used one or another simple crane. In the modern day, you might use a bulldozer.

    Any one of the tools works for this boulder. But no one tool will suffice on every occasion that one must move boulders.

    We're all better off than Sisyphus, we might assert; at least we don't have to put our shoulder to the stone and push it up the hill.

    Nationalism is an obsolete tool designed to prevent individuals from having to shoulder the burden alone. It is not the most effective tool for the really big boulders cluttering up humanity's backyard. And compared to modern options, it is almost unacceptably inefficient.
     
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  8. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    And what replaces nationalism? Individualism and feel-good dogmas? Perhaps a cultural void?
     
  9. Nebuchadnezzaar Registered Senior Member

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    waht replaces nationalism......earthism? globalism?
     
  10. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Most likely Globalism, which is better for all us. We are all intertwined and thus it is the collective will of our human society to make life better for all of us.
     
  11. Hastein Welcome To Kampuchea Registered Senior Member

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    I hold nothing against globalism but it appears to be coming from a destructive source, one that is norming everyone and destroying the planet. Liberal Republics seem to have no unified culture, causing a destruction of values, a result of our un-Europeanized state.
     
  12. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Non-ism... ism
     
  13. Rappaccini Redoubtable Registered Senior Member

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    Damn ism-lover.
     
  14. Eluminate Registered Senior Member

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    hmm i dont think nationalism will go away its simply too appealing the form of expression might change and evolve though

    national/tribal ties will persist simply because of proximaty you see those people everyday you live with them you know their values resemble yours and you and them are alike. They are sort of like an extended family granted internet and all those things are making it far less clear right now then ever but the bottomline is in this proverb "zemlyak zemlyaku vsegda pomozhet" translates as: one will always help his countryman. These ties exist and will usually be the most apperant as well as most appealing. And as crisis events do occur they tend to drive our mentality to the first ties of fielty to others who are closest to us besides our familial members.

    So I think nationalism is a good thing even though it has been bloodied.
     
  15. Blazin_billy Registered Senior Member

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    It gives the people pride and something to fight for. This will only cause wars. But on the other hand, it can unite people in times of crisis. I voted bad!
     
  16. Porfiry Nomad Registered Senior Member

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    Corporate branding. Brandism? There will never be a void - there's too much to gain from imposing a synthetic sense of community between total strangers and it's so easy to do.
     
  17. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    I say nationalism is a good thing because it makes leaders do things for the good of their country, not for their own good or anyone else's good. It is a good thing because it makes citizens think about their country instead of themselves. Why is this a bad thing?

    Note that Globalism has never existed before. Earlier in times, everyone was for himself. Nationalism is a transitional step. So it is great.
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  18. buffys Registered Loser Registered Senior Member

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    nationalism protects us to a degree but it's also the biggest reason we need to protect ourselves. As long as it's "them" against "us" there will always be a "them" to blame. Nationalism gives every country an out when they don't want to take responsibility for their situation.

    Just read any of the many "Israelis vs Arabs/Arabs vs Israelis" threads to see where rabid nationalism gets you.
     
  19. whitewolf asleep under the juniper bush Registered Senior Member

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    Well, extremes are always bad, so yes, the Arabs vs. Israelis is a nightmare. But in all of those states with corrupt government, it seems as if those leaders were a little more nationalistic and less selfish things would go better. Then again, may be I don't know much.
     
  20. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    That is the idea but almost never the case. Very little is done for the good of the people amidst the betrayls our own senators bestow upon us.

    It is a bad thing because, again, it is almost always foolish pride. Respect and accolades without question of the governments laurels. Look at any warring nation....people willingly opressing themselves for pride and honor of their land.

    Globalism sounds all nice and dandy but highly improbable. This nation alone can not get along on a simple opinion so what chances does the U.S or any nation have of assimilating its culture with theirs....even that is a far fetched dream.

    The governments won't even work along on a single crucial cause to begin with....i.e..impending doom stemming from degradation of the ozone layer.
     

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