Homeopathic Medicines & Static Electricity

[Kumar]

Static electricity is created when an object gives up or gains electrons. Rubbing wool over something made of plastic or hard rubber gives that object a positive charge which will attract any object with a lesser charge. The wool gives up electrons to the plastic. This kind of charge is called "static" because it is not moving along a wire or other conductor.

CONSERVATION OF CHARGE
When we charge something with static electricity, no electrons are made or destroyed. No new protons appear or disappear. Electrons are just moved from one place to another. The net, or total, electric charge stays the same. This is called the principle of conservation of charge.

How the above concept can be linked with the working of homeopathic remedies?

[Redrover]

Is this a joke?

[Kumar]

Why you felt like this?


The current status of homeopathic remedies seems to be as under;

' Homeopathic remedies are observed & experianced as effective by homeopathic community, but the scientific reasoning of its working could not be yet ascertained by the current science community with their available theories & technologies. '

I am, therefore, trying to find out some justified reasoning for the same.

Homeopathic remedies(HR) are also prepared by trituration with lactose & sussussion with alcohol.

[Crisp]

Seriously, is this a joke ?

[James R]

The first step is to establish that homopathic remedies work. The next step, once that is established, is to try to explain why.

We haven't got to step 1 yet.

[Dinosaur]

It is my understanding that homeopathic medicine is prepared by extreme dilution of substances sometimes considered toxic.

Whether toxic or not, the extreme dilution should result in no biochemical or static electrical effect.

The preparation of homeopathic medicine starts with perhaps an ounce of some substance mixed with a gallon or so of water. Next an ounce of the mixture is mixed into another gallon of water. This process is repeated until there is no detectable amount of the original substance (or perhaps 1-2 parts per million parts of water).

If my understanding is correct, only a placebo effect seems possible.

Homeopathy is left over quackery from the 18th century. Phrenology has almost vanished along with a lot of other nonsense, but chiropractic and fortune telling are still with us to keep homeopathy from being the only leftover from another time.

[phlogistician]

Originally posted by Dinosaur
almost vanished along with a lot of other nonsense, but chiropractic and fortune telling are still with us to keep

What's wrong with Chiropracters?

I displaced a vertebrae a couple of years ago, my doctor was useless, was just going to give me sick notes until it resolved itself. I visited a Chiropracter, and was fixed after four sessions.

There may be Chiropracters who are a bit out there, but mine was very mechanistic. if it had invlved chanting, chakras, or healing crystals, I don't think I'd have gone back, ....

[Dinosaur]

Phlogistician: Some back pain lasts for a few days, while other problems last for months regardless of the methods attempted to cure it. Except for some situations requiring a sound medical diagnosis, back pain usually goes away on its own with or without treatment. Because of this, whatever a person had done last before the pain went away is credited with the cure. This often results in people praising chiropractors, crediting them with a cure.

Chiropractors are worth while if a massage is what you need. The main advantage they have over a masseuse is that your medical insurance will pay. If your spine is misaligned as claimed by the chiropractor, a friend can help you as much as a chiropractor. Try the following.Hug your self tightly. Left hand on right biceps and right hand on upper left rib cage.

Have your friend stand behind you and grab your elbows.

Your friend leans backward and lifts your feet off the ground. He swings you a little bit from side to side and jiggles you. This causes gravity and mild stress on your spine to straighten out any misalignments.A martial arts instructor used to do this for weight lifters and wrestlers at a gym and fitness center I used a long time ago.

The following is a general description of chiropractic theory (Paraphrased from a pamphlet I read somewhere).There is a life force which emanates from the brain and is sent to every part of the body. When your spinal cord is misaligned, it pinches off the nerve (or channel) carrying the life force to some part of your body. This can result in symptoms of kidney, liver, stomach, heart, what ever malfunction. By realigning the spine, the chiropractor can cure many different ailments.Few chiropractors attempt to treat anything other than back pain. In the last 100 or so years they have gotten in trouble due to believing the theory, so they send you to a medical doctor if they suspect something serious. However, the theory is still taught and can be found on pamphlets.

As long as the theory is still considered valid by the chiropractic establishment, I intend to stay away from them. Try a Web search for "Chiropractic theory" and see what you can find.

In many instances, back pain seems to be a medical mystery. MRI & X-ray examinations often show herniated discs in the spine, resulting in surgical intervention, which often helps, but is often unsuccessful. There are known cases of herniated discs being discovered in patients who do not complain about back pain, having had the examination for some other reason. This suggests that a herniated disc, often accused, might not be the culprit.

Oddly enough, pain along the sciatic nerve running from the lower part of the spine down the legs is often caused by a spinal chord problem, and an epidural (? spelling) injection into the spine is usually a successful cure of last resort. The patient seldom realizes that he has a back problem because the pain is often in the legs.

I have some friends who swear by their chiropractor. They have been going to him at least once a month for several years and claim that he always cures their back pain, although it sometimes takes several visits over a 2-3 day period. I keep asking them why he does not effect a permanent cure. My girl friend and I (as well as many others our age) get occasional back pain and just ignore it until it goes away.

[Mystech]

Originally posted by Dinosaur
The preparation of homeopathic medicine starts with perhaps an ounce of some substance mixed with a gallon or so of water. Next an ounce of the mixture is mixed into another gallon of water. This process is repeated until there is no detectable amount of the original substance (or perhaps 1-2 parts per million parts of water).


Well, water is one of the healthiest things you can put into your body. Most headaches are caused by mild dehydration, and plenty of people could benefit from making a better effort to stay hydrated, especially in warmer climates. It’s little wonder that someone who drinks quite a bit of water might feel a bit healthier than when they used to neglect hydration. Hmm, as for static electricity and mild toxins. . . probably best to leave that crap well enough alone. Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but no one was ever cured of anything by cyanide, or shocking his finger on a door handle.

[Kumar]

Thanks all for all types of postings except related to the question.

My personal experiance is that these medicined do work & which created a curicity in me to find out the science & logic about the working of these medicines. Millions of people uses these medicines and are satisfied. However, it could not satisfy to scientific community about the working of its medicines. It is thought that these works on some energy ground. So I am trying to find out how applied energy in trituration or succussion process can be stored in these medicines? These trituratin & succussion are one kind of rubbing & may create static electricity. Now, the question is that if this static energy is produced and can be stored in homeopathic remedies or not?

[thed]

http://www.csicop.org/si/2001-11/alternative.html

[goofyfish]

Originally posted by Kumar
Now, the question is that if this static energy is produced and can be stored in homeopathic remedies or not?
Actually, the question is: when will there be a proven homeopathic remedy? After that issue is resolved, we can concern ourselves with trapping a static charge within it.

:m: Peace.

[Dinosaur]

I do not think that water can carry a static charge.

[Kumar]

Thed,

Thanks for the link. Other should also read. Some lines are;

'According to a survey about alternative medicine in the November 11, 1998, Journal of the American Medical Association, Americans' use of homeopathic preparations more than doubled between 1990 and 1997 (Eisenberg et al. 1998)....

'According to a survey about alternative medicine in the November 11, 1998, Journal of the American Medical Association, Americans' use of homeopathic preparations more than doubled between 1990 and 1997 (Eisenberg et al. 1998)....'

goofyfish,

For some proof of homeopthic remedies read BBC & Science Daily site at;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3208528.stm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...31022061728.

[goofyfish]

From the first link...Scientists in India belive...
Tests on mice suggest...
Their tests show it may...
...clinical trial may be worth pursuing...So, it's not proven is it?

:m: Peace.

Your second link does not work...

[phlogistician]

Originally posted by Dinosaur
My girl friend and I (as well as many others our age) get occasional back pain and just ignore it until it goes away. [/B]

Ignoring it wasn't an option. To give a fuller description of events.

Firstly, I hardly ever get ill, my only visits to doctors are physical injuries, and until this one, it had been several years since I'd last visited my local doctor, whilst as an outpatient at the local hospital, as I broke my leg snowboarding. I'd moved in the meantime, and should have registered with a more local doctor, but as I never get ill, hadn't thought about it.

I damaged my back tidying up my shed, think it was probably moving 8`4` sheets of MDF in a confined space.

Next morning I woke up in quite severe pain, had trouble getting out of bed, couldn't stand upright. My jaw was aching, and my knee was aching. At first, despite recently having had a tetanus booster, I was was convinced I had tetanus. Turns out in an attempt to relieve the pressure on my spine, I was contorted in bed, and was putting pressure on my jaw, and knee, both of which I've dislocated previously. After a while, I was left only with back pain.

I couldn't get to see my doctor that day because of the admin issue and locality. Next day getting out of bed was just as hard. And I ended up seeing my doctor, who couldn't find anything wrong, and referred me for an X-Ray, and they found nothing wrong, despite the fact I was in agony and couldn't stand upright!

So, after a few days of this, and no respite, I went to see a chiropracter. He first asked me a few questions about my previous injuries, and I've had a few (broken left arm. left leg, one rib on left side, dislocated jaw and both knees, broken three fingers, and have burst blood vessels in one eye and retinal atrophy in the other. (all separate incidents)).

He asks me to describe how I think I injured my back.

He then gets a life sized model of spine, pelvis, and skull, and demostrates the position I assumed, taking into account the relavant injuries. My spine bulged exactly at the epicentre of my pain. He then examined me, and found the vertebrae.

After ultrasound, massage, and some reseating using pressure, I could stand upright. After three more visits, I was fixed.

He didn't mention anything about cure alls, he was purely spinal.

And if anybody had attempted to straighten my back in the manner you describe, I guess I'd have passed out with pain.

One thing I knew though. Homeopathy wasn't an option. Here's a question, as Homeopathy relies on dilution, and there is only so much water on the planet, surely, with dilution, and mixing of water sources, just taking a bath or shower should sure us of everything that homeopathy can?

Or is the mystic cure released from the water once it's work is done? ;-)

[Dinosaur]

Homeopathic theory is not all that crazy, although I think it is nonsense.

I forgot to mention the basic concept, which makes some sense.

The theory is that like cures like. It claims that a medication containing an extremely diluted toxin or disease causing agent will stimulate the immune system to create antibodies which will cure the effects of the toxin or disease causing agent. This basic concept is very consistent with the preventative effects of various vaccines.

The problem with homeopathic theory is the following. Vaccines for various viral caused diseases like polio do contain the virus which causes the disease. Most such vaccines use a dead or diluted form of the virus expected to be incapable of causing the disease. In some instances, the vaccine actually results in the patient becoming ill with the disease. The point here is that like simulates the immune to produce antibodies against like prior to a person acquiring the disease. Homeopathic theory uses the principle as a cure for an existing disease. This is analogous to locking the barn door after the horse has run away. Homeopathic medications are so diluted that it is highly unlikely that they are more effective than water.When homeopathic was first proposed, existing medical knowledge had no basis for considering it invalid. Modern medical knowledge has good reason to consider it a theory that has no validity.

This is not one of my better days. Due to a serious disease called lack of financial resources, I experienced my first day at a menial and physically difficult job. When I came home, I decided I needed a stiff drink on an empty stomach. I apologize in advance for any misspellings, typos, or illogical statements.

[Kumar]

Goofyfish,

Some proof is there. Eg; goofyfish>>human?:m:

Thanks all for the stories.

The main question is not whether homeopathy works scientifically or not which will be a secondary issue & can be convinced only when it is proved that some kind of energy can be stored in potentized remedies. So pls limt your discussions on the subject question & give your unbiased opinions.

[Mystech]

Originally posted by Kumar
It is thought that these works on some energy ground. So I am trying to find out how applied energy in trituration or succussion process can be stored in these medicines?

Umm well I imagine that various energies are involved only insofar as all medicine (quackery or not), like just about everything other than abstract concepts, are governed by the laws of physics. . . but to say that energy makes me healthy shows an incredibly poor grasp on the idea of what energy is, and really even the most basic fundamental rules governing the physical world. Go take a high-school science class, and maybe a first aid class. . . those two. . . or really just getting out of the house on a regular basis, should be quite enough to set you straight enough that you can look at your prior statement, shake your head and say right along with us, “Huh?”

[thed]

Originally posted by Kumar
The main question is not whether homeopathy works scientifically or not which will be a secondary issue & can be convinced only when it is proved that some kind of energy can be stored in potentized remedies. So pls limt your discussions on the subject question & give your unbiased opinions.

But that is the point, can it proved scientifically. Homeopathy is close to Polywater experiments (http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ATG/polywater.html). That was shown to be a complete farce.

Let me ask you Kumar, would you be happy going to a Doctor and the Doctor saying, "Take this watered down chemical, it could be poisonous and we have never tested it?". Add to that a disclaimer that there is no warranty expressed or implied that the Doctor is to be held responsible. Would you take this medicine. There is a reason the Pharamaceutical industry have to submit drugs to rigorous testing and prove they are efficacious.

Similar, if like cures like do you agree the cure for radiation exposure is more radiation exposure? Have you taken your Radium Water (http://www.orau.org/ptp/articlesstories/quackstory.htm) recently.

[Kumar]

All these types of treatments are mentioned in homeopathy but differantly. We may be more benefited if we can concentrate on finding its good points & logics. I am not a homeopath, but because I experianced positively, I am trying to find out its logics. It depends upon my experiance & faith in any system to accept whatever type of medicine/water a doctor gives to me. I think we should consider this system where risk involevements are lowest or there is no other choice.

[goofyfish]

You don't know that the risk is lowest.

This is exactly why I cannot fathom people allowing
themselves to be "treated" with a method or substance
that has not been been subjected to scientific testing.

:m: Peace.

[tablariddim]

Very basically, my understanding is that homeopathy is the treatment of disease with substances that can create similar symptoms to the disease and that it works by giving the body a chance to create new antibodies against the medicine, which in turn begin to work on the main disease, which is so powerful originally that the body can never make enough antibodies to overcome it.

[thed]

Originally posted by tablariddim
Very basically, my understanding is that homeopathy is the treatment of disease with substances that can create similar symptoms to the disease and that it works by giving the body a chance to create new antibodies against the medicine, which in turn begin to work on the main disease, which is so powerful originally that the body can never make enough antibodies to overcome it.

Which is basically how immunisation works against viruses. You insert a dead virus that your immune system reacts to by creating anti-bodies and the proper T-cells. If you then get the real infection you are prepared for it.

But not all disease works that way. Many are caused by bacterium, that anti-bodies are inaffected against, some by dysfunctional chemical pathways. Others, like cancer, are misfunctioning cells.

Homeopathy strikes me as more like the miracel cures offered by some Bible Bashers, it relies on the will of the patient to convince themselves they are healed. But the cure does not last forever.

Kumar may have had a good experience but may also have gone into remission anyway. Without proper double blind testing, you won't know.

I will also stress I'm also not a MD or a trained Virologist/Medico to really know what I'm talking about.

[Kumar]

Please concentrate on the main question. All these things can be justified only after we come to know that how homeopathic medicines can be effective inspite of the fact that no single molecule of raw substance is present in them. If no molecule is present then we can only think in enery term.

[Dinosaur]

Kumar: You are asking us to assume that homeopathy works.Please concentrate on the main question. All these things can be justified only after we come to know that how homeopathic medicines can be effective inspite of the fact that no single molecule of raw substance is present in them.I see no reason to assume that homeopathy is effective.

A large amount of energy is releashed when water is formed from hydrogen & oxygen. This makes water chemically quite inert. It has physical properties and other substances can be dissolved in it. It does not give off energy without some external source to supply the energy. There just does not seem to be any reason to expect curative powers other than a placebo effect from essentially pure water.

[Kumar]

Then why we explore moon, other plantes and other things from which we can not gain anything but just to satisfy our curicities?

[Kumar]

Now it looks to me that the question which I asked here cann't be replied or rejected scientifically & so there can be some truth in the same. Just not beliving homeopathy does not mean it is absolutely ended. Experements will have to be continued till it is existing. In just saying that it is not proved do not mean it is do not work.

It is not a right approach to reject any existing aspect just because it could not be researched properly. I can also speak as under:-

Prove me the earth is round or oval not flat

Any aspect unless experienced or seen personally & physically by the majority of world population, can not be taken as proved. All the camera photography can be just a trick photography & all the mentionings or teachings can be just a hypnotisms for the Vested Interests i.e. money, popularity & publicities. One of the said best achievement of CS is that they made earth as round/oval from flat but not yet seen/experianced physically by majority of world's population. Science can not confirm/prove it unless this majority check it like a ball in their fingers. Whereas, in all practical & physical experiences it is flat. If it is round like a ball how we can stand errect & stable. How water & things on it are stable. I say it can be fake mentionig that it is round/oval because all the things can be stable on flat surface not on round surface.

Most of the scientific new research may work in this manner. Whereas homeopathy along with other sprituals are physically experianced by this majority.

[Dinosaur]

Kumar: You seem to have some problem relating to homeopathy. You have been given some explanations of homeopathic theory. On the basis of common sense and some basic modern science, there is absolutely no reason to believe that homeopathy is a worthwhile concept.

It is generally good to have an open mind. However, it must not be so open that your brains fall out and rubbish is allowed to enter.

Your original post suggested that static electricity might be a causative mechanism for homeopathy. After several posts which ignored this issue, it was pointed out that water does not carry a static charge and homeopathic potions are almost indistinguishable from water. That should have answered the question raised in your initial post unless you could provide some valid information showing that water carries a static charge or that homeopathic potions are fundamentally different from water.

Note three early replies to your initial post.Is this a joke?

Seriously, is this a joke ?

The first step is to establish that homeopathic remedies work. The next step, once that is established, is to try to explain why. We haven't got to step 1 yet.The above replies were from three different intelligent and knowledgeable people. Did you not get a clue indicating that you should forget about homeopathy? Your most recent post says the following.Now it looks to me that the question which I asked here cann't be replied or rejected scientifically & so there can be some truth in the same. Just not beliving homeopathy does not mean it is absolutely ended. Experements will have to be continued till it is existing. In just saying that it is not proved do not mean it is do not work.Do you have something like religious faith in homeopathy? Do you want to believe in the absence of any good evidence supporting it? The burden of proof rests on those who support theories contrary to accepted scientific concepts. If you want to believe and do not accept the posts to this thread, you are on your own. I and others here do not believe in homeopathy. Why should we try to find a reason to believe in it? If you want to believe, believe without explanation or evidence. Else, find some evidence and a come up with a viable theory of how it works.

On the issue of proving that the Earth is a sphere, consider an experiment made over 2000 years ago. When Alexander The Great conquered Egypt, some very intelligent Greeks of that era heard that, in a certain Egyptian city, a vertical pole cast no shadow at noon on a few days of the year. They measured the north/south distance between Alexandria and that city. They measured the length of the shadow cast by a vertical pole at Alexandria on a day that a pole of the same height cast no shadow at the city a hundred or more miles south. From their measurements (crude by modern standards), they calculated the circumference of the Earth, which they believed was a sphere.

Using modern radio communications, it would be possible to replicate that ancient experiment, using vertical poles at hundreds of locations on the Earth. Radio communications would allow coordination of the times of the measurements. As was done by the ancient Greeks, some simple geometric reasoning would allow calculation of the dimensions of the Earth. Such an experiment would show that it is actually an oblate spheroid rather than a sphere.

I am sure there are other simpler ways to prove that the Earth is not flat.

Since an individual only has 60-100 years of life, it is a good idea for him to accept most of what he is taught by reasonable books or people. Life is too short to try to validate everything by performing the necessary experiments and/or working out concepts by reasoning based on first principles. When you decide that some concept does not seem valid, then spend some time researching the reasoning and experimental evidence supporting the concept.

Meanwhile: Trust me, the Earth is not flat.

[Kumar]

Dinosaur ,

Thanks for the explaination. Everyone can talk in his own way. You say;

Meanwhile: Trust me, the Earth is not flat.

Other can say;

Meanwhile: Trust me, the homeopathy do work.

However, I am of the opinion that we should go on researching till any concept is substancially existing. No one has yet given me specific reply to my initial question because all have allredy closed their minds in this respect which is wrong. It can be true that static electricity is not related to water. But There are three considerations in this respect which should be considered with open mind:-

1. The remedy substance+lactose are also triturated in 'X' remedies.

2. Water in remedy is not a plain water, it is mixed with raw substances of remedies. After preparation it is kept in alcohol.

3. The potentization processes of Succssions & trituration are done in glass bottles & mortar/pestle respectively which can be associated with static elecricity.

I may now again request all to give me direct reply considering these aspects.

[Persol]

As has been said over and over and over, nobody is going to bother trying to actually explain how homeopathy works... because none of us see any reason to believe that it does. There is NO point in discussing how it works if there isn't any proof that it works.
Meanwhile: Trust me, the Earth is not flat.
Other can say;
Meanwhile: Trust me, the homeopathy do work.Once again, you missed a step. There are MANY ways to prove that the earth is round, and these have been performed. Homeopathy also has many methods to prove it... unfortunately they have all failed.However, I am of the opinion that we should go on researching till any concept is substancially existing. That's just dumb. Should we continue researching invisible pink flying elephants until they are 'substancially existing'? Researching something doesn't make it true.

[Kumar]

Hello persol,

That's just dumb. Should we continue researching invisible pink flying elephants until they are 'substancially existing'? Researching something doesn't make it true.
You have wrongly compared homeopathy with pink flying elephants. It is a system which is substancial existing & practiced in most parts of the world. If science could not test is is their weakness. Just read cured cases by homeopathy at;

http://www.spiritindia.com/homeopathy_cases.html

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=e...le+Search&meta=

[thed]

Originally posted by Kumar
It is a system which is substancial existing & practiced in most parts of the world.

So is Astrology. It does not make that right either.

Would you buy these devices based on testimonial (http://www.alexchiu.com/)? Really, would you. I can buy similar in my local Chemist. Does that make them any more efficacious? My Mother In Law bought a magnetic bracelet to cure oesteoarthritis. Guess what, didn't work. I warned her before she spent her weekly pension.

Kumar, you don't see that your arguments are specious at best.

[Kumar]

thed,

ASTROLOGY do work. But it is misinterpreted & mistranslated by the most. I can also say I got failure in allopathic treatment several times. Frankly, every long existing system have science & logics in them. But , most of them are usually misinterpreted due to;

1. Ignorances.

2. Vested interests.

3. Least side/adverse effects.

4. Not taken up equally for research as CS.

5. Slow in healing.

6. Some unnatural aspects currently developed.

7. Cheap & easily available.

8. Not made fancy & made the most to doubt.

can be so many other reasons..........

[kmguru]

Homeopathy works as follows:

Between a potency of mother tincture and 3X, it works same as the chemical that it is.

For example if the chemical is a poison, it will make you sick depending on the amount of concentration. If it is ragweed chemical, it works like any allergy therapy in US - the body gets desenstizes to ragweed allergy and you are cured of ragweed allergy - well almost.

But if the main chemical is say Sodium Chloride (Natrum Mur) or Sodium Coarbonate (Natrum Carb) etc - it is placebo time.

And if you buy Natrum Carb at 200 potency in liquid (usually Ethyl Alcohol base) - there is nothing there except the person's body oil who prepared it, cause Sodium Carbonate would not get dissolved in Alcohol .

No matter what the chemical is, at 1M potency, there may not be a single molecule of the mother tincture as it is called. Even if there is a single molecule, unless it is a live virus which gets into the cells and clones itself - the body would oxidise or cut the molecule to small pieces....

Now, back to Natrum Mur: It is way cheaper to take a single crystal out of your salt dispenser for whatever is ailing you...

The only way Homeopathy would work is at mother tincture level - the same way for Ayurvedic, Herbal therapy etc. for example Crategus theta would work the same way Hawthorn preparations - there is no magic involved.

As to your energy, charge etc - we are all charged up anytime we think about doctors...right? :D

[thed]

Originally posted by Kumar
thed,

ASTROLOGY do work.

Rolls up gloves. http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf or "heh! heh! heh! he said it works, Heh!".

[Kumar]

Rolls up gloves. http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf or "heh! heh! heh! he said it do not works, Heh!". because do not understand the God's Given system. 'Weather predictions' have much more failures.

[James R]

Sorry, Kuman, but all rigorous tests of astrology have shown that it is worthless.

[Kumar]

Mr.James R,

Still it is existing in mass public. We can't say about tomorrow but astrology predicts that it will exist in future.

[blackholesun]

Nope. People are just ignorant and reluctant to take hold of their own lives themselves and think they can rely on outside forces to make everything ok. It's called "dodging responsibility".

[Kumar]

Yes it is true, something we have to rely on others like doctors,scientists,astrologers etc. This is the meaning of society i.e sharing each other's responsibility. Otherwise jungle is the best for independent responsibilities.

[(Q)]

Still it is existing in mass public. We can't say about tomorrow but astrology predicts that it will exist in future.

True. There are many forms of mindless entertainment available to the masses, astrology is merely one of them - professional wrestling is another.

[thed]

Originally posted by (Q)
Still it is existing in mass public. We can't say about tomorrow but astrology predicts that it will exist in future.

True. There are many forms of mindless entertainment available to the masses, astrology is merely one of them - professional wrestling is another.

Wrestlers at least have a sense of professionalism and their public know it is a stage show, apart from the extremely gullible. OK, you have a point.