Forsaken/Dawn

[blueshift]

Goodevening All,

In Matthew 27:46 it says:

"And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli,
lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Many years ago I viewed a PBS Docu. about some research of the ancient
Mayan culture. During this documentary the researcher implied that there
was a great similarity between the Mayan language and that of the ancient
Hebrew.
He further stated that the translation of the above (and I'm
paraphrasing now from memory) in the Mayan language would be:

"And finally (or) At last, I sink in the presence of your dawn"

Any comments?

Sincerely,
-blueshift

[Tiassa]

But in the sense of, "If Jesus is God-not-God, then who the Hell is he talking to?" I submit the notion that here we see the day in which God realized the magnitude of His error and gave himself over to death, to escape the shame.

Think about that the next time you look at Boticcelli's Man of Sorrows, or Dali's crucifixion.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

[Emerald]

Blueshift,

For the moment, I have nothing relevant to add to the discussion, but I would like to present you with the Muslim perspective on Jesus' final lament:

<a href="http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch5.12.html">5.12 Eli, Eli Lama Sabachthani</a>

Hopefully, I will be able to contribute something more pertinent later on.

Emerald

[Cris]

I'm not sure what to make of the Mayan connection except to point out the similarity between the Jesus stories and numerous other previous similar mythologies.

But the Mathew quote clearly indicates that Jesus did not consider himself to be God, but something else, probably just a man. This also supports the Muslim claim that Jesus was just a prophet and had no divinity of his own.

Cris

[tony1]

Originally posted by Cris
But the Mathew quote clearly indicates that Jesus did not consider himself to be God, but something else, probably just a man.
The Bible says that, too.

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Philippians 2:5-8, KJV).

[Deadwood]

Emerald

that site is just Muslims trying to argue the truth while leaving bits and pieces out. If that site had read the entire New Testament, it would have helped a lot. I know this from experience, a muslim friend once tried to convert me, and gave me a tract about why Christians can't eat pork. It only mentioned Leviticus and left out entirely the Gospels, which Muslims are apparently supposed to believe in. As I was explaining to this particular friend why we are cerimonally clean, he cut me off mid sentence to talk about something else.

Also, when I asked another classmate why Jesus would turn water into wine if by Muslim doctrine you are not supposed to drink alcohol, and by Muslim doctrine he is the second highest prophet and is with out sin, then how can that be justified. He simply told me that the bible is corrupted. I could have alos brought up the last supper but I guess thats corrupted to eh?

All

Jesus also stated that He is the Alpha and Omega, putting Him equal with God.

[Boris]

Deadwood,

For Jesus to proclaim that he is "alpha and omega" could only mean that he claims the first and the last word in everything (alpha being the first letter of the Greek alphabet, while omega is the last.) Aside from arrogance (actual or mythological), I don't see how such a proclamation tells us anything else about Jesus, much less puts him on equal footing with his god.

On the other hand, there are plenty of contradictions within the Christian religion alone, without the need to bring up all the extras of Islam.

[blueshift]

Originally posted by Cris
I'm not sure what to make of the Mayan connection except to point out the similarity between the Jesus stories and numerous other previous similar mythologies.

But the Mathew quote clearly indicates that Jesus did not consider himself to be God, but something else, probably just a man. This also supports the Muslim claim that Jesus was just a prophet and had no divinity of his own.

Cris

Dear Cris,

The revelence of the connection is predicated by the argument of what was actually
said.
The quote also appears in the 22nd Psalm.
As Jesus was dying on the cross, and as human consciousness began to fail, could it
be possible that he was just reciting Scripture, or is it possible that somehow he
said something in another language and it was missinterpreted in the Hebrew?

I'm actually trying to find out if someone can verify the translation of "ELI, ELI...."
in the Mayan.
That's all.

If anyone could direct me to a University site, or knows a professor which may
have some insight, I would look forward to contacting them.

Sincerely,
-blueshift