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04-30-01, 10:17 AM
Is God a State of Mind?

Revelations: Brain X-Rays 'Show' Religious Experience


By Laurie Barclay, MD
WebMD Medical News


Reviewed by Dr. Jacqueline Brooks


April 11, 2001 -- Read the daily paper or watch the local TV news and a seemingly endless parade of chaotic, violent events unfolds: school shootings, terrorism, murder, child abuse. Many people make sense of these seemingly senseless events through a belief in a Supreme Being and faith that their God won't desert them in a time of need. This faith may be well placed, according to a Philadelphia-based radiologist -- well placed in the brain, that is.


In Why God Won't Go Away, released April 1 by Ballantine Books, co-author Andrew B. Newberg, MD, explains his theory that the human brain is hard-wired for religion. Just as the mind has the capacity for analytical thought, abstract mathematical reasoning, and invention of highly sophisticated technology, it also has the capacity -- and the built-in design -- to experience God.


Scientific study of how the brain works can't tell us if there is a God, he tells WebMD, but it can tell us about how human beings understand God.


"Our work -- neurotheology -- has a reverence for both science and religion," he says."


In a study to be published this month in Psychiatry Research and Neuroimaging, Newberg and a team of fellow researchers describe their study of the brain activity of eight Tibetan Buddhists in the throes of a peak meditative experience.


"We used meditation as a model ... for prayer and other types of intense religious experience," says Newberg, assistant professor of radiology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine in Philadelphia.


Using a special X-ray procedure called SPECT, the scientists were able to see increased activity in the brain during meditation. Brain areas important in focused concentration were especially active.


Even more astounding was altered activity in a brain region that normally orients us and tells us where our bodies are in space. The different pattern of brain activity in this particular brain region may explain why meditators feel transported out of the physical world and into a spiritual realm that seems no less real.


"As the boundaries between self and physical surroundings go away, the meditator feels at one with something larger, whether a religious community, the world as a whole, or ultimately, God," Newberg says.


The brain activity patterns in the meditating Buddhists were similar to those in the praying Franciscan nuns, another religious group studied by Newberg. Hymns, chants, ritual dancing, and sacred rites may also intensify focus, block out external stimuli, and provide a pathway to mystical experience, even in nonbelievers.


"Too much meditation can over-drive brain areas and drop us into another universe for a while," says Laurence O. McKinney, director of the American Institute for Mindfulness in Arlington, Mass.


Analyzing the brain states of spiritual practices started in the 1960s when researchers from the Menninger Clinic in Topeka, Kan., first went to India to record the brain waves of yogis, McKinney says. He claims his group first coined the term 'neurotheology' in the 1980s, and then published the book Neurotheology in 1994.


"Explanations change every time we get a new [way to measure brain function], but eternal truths and eternal questions still remain," McKinney tells WebMD.


One of these new measurement techniques, called functional magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), has partially confirmed Newberg's findings.


In a study published last year in NeuroReport, investigators at the Massachusetts General Hospital and the Mind/Body Medical Institute in Boston used MRI to examine the brains of five experienced meditators and found increased activity in the regions involved in concentration and excitability.


"Additional brain regions involved in memory were also ... activated during meditation," Jeffery A. Dusek, PhD, associate director for clinical research at the Mind/Body Medical Institute, tells WebMD. Future plans for Dusek's team are to re-evaluate these findings in a three-year study funded by the Atlanta-based CDC.


Still, some experts advise against reading too much into Newberg's findings.


"Anything we do or feel, from a simple activity like moving a finger to the deepest passion like love or rage, has its own characteristic pattern of brain activity," says Pietro Pietrini, MD, PhD, who has used SPECT scanning to study brain activity in different emotional states -- for example, in healthy subjects imagining acts of aggression.


"This is a fascinating field that needs to be entered with extreme caution and a rigorous scientific approach," says Pietrini, a professor of clinical biochemistry and psychiatry at the University of Pisa in Italy.


"There is a complex interrelationship between mind, body, and spirit," Michael E. McCullough, PhD, tells WebMD. "Those behaviors and experiences designed to put people in touch with the transcendent may give them a survival advantage."


In an analysis of 42 different clinical studies, McCullough found that religious involvement was associated with lower death rate, even after accounting for obvious health advantages such as less alcohol and tobacco use and more social support.


Could active religious faith prevent illness or forestall death? "It's too soon to tell," says McCullough, associate professor of psychology at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.


"Understanding how the brain works can go a long way toward understanding the impact of religion, both physically and spiritually," says Newberg. With religious experiences such as meditation or prayer, heart rate and blood pressure decrease and changes in hormone levels may improve the function of the immune system, he explains.


Brain activity studies show that meditation is not just a passive experience but that increased excitability at peak meditation seems to confirm the "active bliss" reported by Newberg's study subjects.


"They feel profoundly calm, yet highly alert and intensely aware," Newberg says. "Spiritual experiences are more real to them than everyday reality like walking down the street. And they're not frightening, disorganized, or disorienting like drug-induced states or hallucinations seen in mental illness."


"We're looking at philosophy and religion in a more scientific way," says Pietrini, says. "Science has no way to prove or disprove a Creator, but finding unique patterns of brain activity corresponding to religious experiences is entirely compatible with religious beliefs."


Though skeptics may argue that God lives only in the mind of the faithful, Newberg suggests that the opposite conclusion is equally valid: "If there is a God, it makes perfect sense that He would create a way for us to communicate with Him."


"If truth were told, nearly all the nonbelievers would love a reason to believe," McKinney says. "Newberg believes he's done a good job providing some reasons, and for those who follow his path, I wish them well."


© 2001 WebMD Corporation. All rights reserved.

Tiassa
04-30-01, 06:10 PM
I am reminded here of the Shroud of Turin, but only slightly. What this article seems to assert is something which has the potential to fall apart into a similar quagmire, but we all hope not.

* That myriad modes of prayer or contemplation bear similar psychiatric effects is no surprise. At the neurological level, electrical signals producing a common effect must, it seems, bear similar characteristics.

* Perhaps the most important statement in the article, as relates to any sense of debate here at Exosci is: Scientific study of how the brain works can't tell us if there is a God, he tells WebMD, but it can tell us about how human beings understand God. We must remember this, as it relates to my stance on Turin.

* I wanted to comment on this quote:"They feel profoundly calm, yet highly alert and intensely aware," Newberg says. "Spiritual experiences are more real to them than everyday reality like walking down the street. And they're not frightening, disorganized, or disorienting like drug-induced states or hallucinations seen in mental illness." I'll accept this statement, except to say that it is a very contemporary statement, reflecting contemporary values. Specifically, what of the Old Testament prophets? Was there, then, no fear of God? Was there no frenzy of emotions? Did these prophets receive a calm message and transmit it to the people quietly? I have seen many a frenzied religious person of various traditions; is the good doctor ignoring this aspect of it? Or do the louder, less-organized moments of spirituality then fall under drug hallucination or mental illness?

* I'll even agree with this: "We're looking at philosophy and religion in a more scientific way," says Pietrini, says. "Science has no way to prove or disprove a Creator, but finding unique patterns of brain activity corresponding to religious experiences is entirely compatible with religious beliefs." There is nothing in that quote that extends beyond my assertion that all of my theistic riddles can and will be answered if humanity hangs on long enough in the Universe. To the other, should science derive an actual brain process by which the religious experience occurs, it will be a better explanation than the present, that it just happens.

But people will take from this what they want. My hope is that people will see the physiological process and chase after the discovery of what that is, to individual and mass degrees. However, I see the possibility of another Turin: Upon hearing that the Shroud had been confirmed to hold human DNA, and that the dating information opened a possible window of years, I heard evangelical preachers on television advocating that we should find Jesus' descendants based on this DNA--this, of course, before confirming that the DNA in question was actually that of Jesus.

Likewise, it is possible that people will see evidence of a brain process, and assume it to equal God, which is an outright violation of the scientific method that brought us this data.

Personally, I will be keeping an eye on the Institute for Noetic Sciences, in Sausalito, California; this is the sort of thing that's right up their alley. A compelling story, indeed. I thank you, mirror, for bringing it to us.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

mirror
05-03-01, 02:13 AM
Tiassa,

You are welcome.

Thank you for your comments and for the IONS lead. It appears the Institute is looking for volunteers to do research. I've been thinking about a career change.

On the Shroud - What I find compelling are the comparative analyses of the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo. They have helped to keep my head from going completely into the bog. There are numerous interesting coincidences despite the differences in their historical chain of custody.

Thanks again.

WildBlueYonder
05-06-01, 12:31 AM
I first read about this research several years ago, an the area of the brain was called the 'God module' then, it talked more about people that had had epileptic seizures in that area. I'll find the referance & post it on a later response.

But just a few ideas on the following,

Originally posted by mirror

1)Scientific study of how the brain works can't tell us if there is a God, he tells WebMD, but it can tell us about how human beings understand God.

2)"There is a complex interrelationship between mind, body, and spirit," Michael E. McCullough, PhD, tells WebMD. "Those behaviors and experiences designed to put people in touch with the transcendent may give them a survival advantage."


1) I'm wondering why we have any part of our brain that responds to meditation or religious experiences? Because to me, that implies physical or hormonal usefulness to that part. Why do we have 'Broca's brain'? I mean, if we have a gall bladder, don't we need it for digestion? And certain parts of the brain affect speech, memory, logic, etc. So why is it there? What purpose in nature would it have?
I think that what I've heard for years from Christians may be right, that we have a piece in our souls that is empty, and since it's like a puzzle piece, only God can fill it. I would say that the fact that we have an area that controls or experiences religious events, means that it's function is to be our connection to God. We wouldn't need this function if there were no God. What purpose would it serve? Therefore, if we have a part of us that is connected to transcend this physical world, well there's something more to life, than just living. That something more, is a connection to our God, the spark of life that created us.
Or do you really think we are a fluke, a roll of the dice, an accident? I think that the answer is if we have a part of our brain that connects to God, there must be a God. Whether scientists or atheists accept it, is another matter, even if it stares them in the face? Hello?

2) This reminds me of two things; 1) one explanation from the Chaos theory; that simple questions have complex answers, and that complex questions have simple answers. And 2) several years ago I read a book called "Flow", about being in 'flow' (called 'being in the zone' in athletics). We are in this state, when our mind and body are focused on the same goal or activity. My understanding is that we are made to work as one unit; mind, body & soul. And since I have been in 'flow' several times, for various activities, sometimes for days at a time, I know that this experience exists, that if you just enjoy the experience, you won't lose it, it's like everything just 'clicks'. That we have transcendant experiences, is a fact. Whether it means anything, depends on your point of view.

Live long and prosper.

tablariddim
05-09-01, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by Randolfo
I think that what I've heard for years from Christians may be right, that we have a piece in our souls that is empty, and since it's like a puzzle piece, only God can fill it. I would say that the fact that we have an area that controls or experiences religious events, means that it's function is to be our connection to God. We wouldn't need this function if there were no God. What purpose would it serve? Therefore, if we have a part of us that is connected to transcend this physical world, well there's something more to life, than just living. That something more, is a connection to our God, the spark of life that created us.



Trouble is, this part of the brain responds to ANY type of spiritual meditation/prayer etc and so is not specific to any one religious doctrine or faith.
From what I remember from first reading the news of this phenomenon, is that the particular part of the brain may actually respond to other intense psycho/emotional stimuli such as high pressure selling techniques, cult initiations etc, but that more tests were necessary to establish the truth of this.

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WildBlueYonder
05-10-01, 07:57 PM
I don't think this part of my question was answered....
Originally posted by Randolfo

So why is it there? What purpose in nature would it have?

If this region makes us easily manipulated, would this imply that we are meant to be brainwashed, that natural selection has selected 'sheep'? Again, what purpose does this region have in nature? Why would it be there? If not to connect us to God, then what?

Tiassa
05-11-01, 06:58 PM
Randolfo ...,

But to declare a brain response to religion vestigial isn't really addressing the issue. I offer this to your question: I mean, if we have a gall bladder, don't we need it for digestion? Well, my appendix is pretty useless. Sure, it has a function but that function is no longer necessary. Given time, humans will eventually be born without an appendix. The same goes for tonsils and adenoids, at least. (Don't ask me what an adenoid is, I just know a doctor cut mine out when I was eight because they were causing sinus and hearing difficulties.) In this sense, it is possible that the religious experience is vestigial, that more refined methods of calculation occurring elsewhere in the brain fulfill the anthropological function of the religious experience. Religions are classification systems, as well as whatever intangible experience people want to award to others instead of claim for their selves. Humanity didn't do too badly evolving through its animist phases, and various other methods of viewing the Universe so that it makes practical enough sene to continue living. Where religion filled in the gaps in understanding, it is possible that scientific discipline can accomplish the same. But that's a note on vestigial.
If this region makes us easily manipulated, would this imply that we are meant to be brainwashed, that natural selection has selected 'sheep'?
Disruptive selection: draw a bell curve and call it a representation of humanity. This representation involves HIV. Theoretically, a portion of the population should be immune to HIV, but it will be a while until we can read that part of the gene-code, else we'll never know unless everyone else on the planet dies of AIDS.

And there's the point. As AIDS decimates the majority of the population, the center of that bell curve will sink, perhaps far enough that you have two smaller curves remaining at either end to represent the portions of society who escaped the plague. They become the curve. This is part of how evolution happens: the whole species won't become immune to HIV. Rather, eventually, HIV will run out of viable hosts, and the remaining population would, by this notion, have evolved past HIV, as only those plague-resistant organisms survive.

In this sense, it might be that religion is the detriment to the survival skill, and that the religious will not survive for long, as their ideas become more and more transparent as myths, and the adherents are viewed more and more as being irrelevant to society. If the fringe ends of the bell curve, as such, are the ones whose practical skill and mythical vision allow them to advance in society, you will see the bulge of Christian faith in the bell curve decline beneath the force of pandemic disbelief. When all is said and done, everyone left would be operating according to any number of paradigms better suited for social harmony. By this notion, the Christian sheep, for instance, would disappear from society--selected out by nature--and the remaining population would not be hindered by the need to abuse myth and ignore practicality in the same form Christians often appear to be.

If not to connect us to God, perhaps to allow us to perceive the world in a certain way.

On the other hand, if someone is having such a brain-religious experience that it makes them dysfunctional, should we start throwing people into psych-wards for religion? Sure, we know some would like to do that now, but if there's something physiologically amiss in the brain that is detrimental to a person or to the people around that person, should it not be treated insofar as medicine or therapy can? In that case, religious zeal would be a little like ADD or epilepsy: a chemical or electrical dysfunction of brain process.
I think that what I've heard for years from Christians may be right, that we have a piece in our souls that is empty, and since it's like a puzzle piece, only God can fill it. Ok ... there's a comparison to be made here, but my search for a really good text of the story of Shekinah is not proving to be as easy as I'd hoped.

Essentially, if you look at the Qabalist Tree of Life, we see Malkuth (foundation, I believe) as the tenth sephiroth. As certain Hebrew traditions have it, this is a secondary development, as the tenth sephiroth was once called Shekinah. As I understand the story, something happened in which the Shekinah became corrupted and fell away from the tree. I believe it is Isaac Luria's tale of the Shekinah which holds that the shattered sphere of the lost sephiroth fell to the mortal kingdom, and that each of God's chosen carries in their soul a fragment of the lost sephiroth. It thus becomes the duty of the Chosen to return their piece of Shekinah to God, and only when all of the pieces have been collected and reassembled can the true kingdom of God's intent come about. These are sketchy details, as the only bits of the tale I'm familiar with are academic recaps.

Thought I'd mention it because it was the first thing to mind when I read the quote I've cited above.
In fact ... That something more, is a connection to our God, the spark of life that created us. ... interestingly enough, that spark of life is also the fragment of the Shekinah, according to, um ... someone cited in Karen Armstrong (History of God). Like I said, I haven't found a good text copy of the story.
Or do you really think we are a fluke, a roll of the dice, an accident? I think that the answer is if we have a part of our brain that connects to God, there must be a God. Two notes here ....

* Fluke: I believe human consciousness is as necessary a result of the Universe as the stars. (Balance of matter/energy; infinite space to perform these concoctions ... I've given some detail a couple of times here.)

* Connects to God/must be a God: This starts down the path toward the Turin fault I mentioned. However, to view it as a fair argument, I must then press the question: How do we establish that this brain event is truly a "connection to God", and not just a localized electrochemical process? Here, faith risks becoming devotion to psychiatric dysfunction.

The writing on the wall says it's time to go, so I shall depart. But these are, truly, questions to sort out before we can assert that a brain event is evidence of God. Thank you kindly, Randolfo, for those necessary issues.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

mirror
05-11-01, 09:09 PM
Hello Randolfo,

You ask:

"Again, what purpose does this region have in nature? Why would it be there? If not to connect us to God, then what?"

If I'm understanding your questions, part of the answers might be contained in the information presented in the news article at the beginning of this thread. For example, it was noted that activity was increased in the region of the brain which is used during concentration. Also, activity was altered in the region that normally orients a person in space.

So, if these regions are not there to connect us to God, then they are probably there to aid in concentration and spatial orientation.

mirror
05-19-01, 11:30 PM
The following is a link to a more extensive article on this subject which was published in the May 7, 2001 issue of "Newsweek":

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/566079.asp?cp1=1

I think we're getting closer. :)

Enjoy