Eat, Drink, and be Merry.

[tetra]

About six years ago, I questioned my faith in God, realized that I had no faith in God, and became an Athiest. At first, I kept trying to cling to religion, but that stopped after about 1.5 years. At that time, after studying a great deal of history and math, I realized that there doesn't HAVE to be a reason for anything to exist, it simply <i>is</i>.

I kept with that little theory for about 2 years, not that I don't believe it now, it's just not the biggest of my concerns. After that, I began to find more and more people with the same view as me. I began to study more and more, and with every bit of new knowledge, I got a little relieved. I finally came to the conclusion that we are all just random clumps of atoms, assembled by chance in a world of chaos. You, me, your friend, your cousin, your dog, the Bible, the Quran, etc. etc. are ALL simply bunches of matter made from supernova debris, and will continue to be. As far as we know right now, we are the only conscious beings in the universe (other than maybe some animals). The only thing that matters at anytime is your own pleasure, and/or knowing that others are safe/in good hands/nice to you/miserable/etc.

So eat, drink, and be merry; we may be the only clumps of matter that will ever be able to do so.

[tony1]

Originally posted by tetra
I finally came to the conclusion that we are all just random clumps of atoms, assembled by chance in a world of chaos. You, me, your friend, your cousin, your dog, the Bible, the Quran, etc. etc. are ALL simply bunches of matter made from supernova debris, and will continue to be.
You could have saved a pile of time by reading Ge. 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(Genesis 2:7, KJV).

As far as we know right now, we are the only conscious beings in the universe (other than maybe some animals). The only thing that matters at anytime is your own pleasure, and/or knowing that others are safe/in good hands/nice to you/miserable/etc.
The trick is to figure out why you would care at all.

So eat, drink, and be merry; we may be the only clumps of matter that will ever be able to do so.

There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.
(Ecclesiastes 2:24, KJV).

I guess you're still clinging to religion.

[tetra]

Not really. The Quran teaches some of the same things; are you Muslim?

[Lynx]

Tetra-

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About six years ago, I questioned my faith in God, realized that I had no faith in God, and became an Athiest.
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Just thought i would share that the same thing happened here.

[pragmathen]

My situation occurred nearly two years ago. Growing up religious and then, suddenly, accepting that religiosity is actually the chain holding the self down requires a great deal of effort.

Congratulations on your efforts to utilize what little free will you may have left to yourself. Disillusionment is never easy; it's the picking up of the fragmented pieces of yourself and moving on which proves your newly formed commitment.

Of course, this is easy for me to say. Giving advice and comments requires <i>almost</i> no thought.

[Lynx]

Tony1,

Though you brought up some good points there, I think Tetra was looking at the matter from a science prespective, not religious.

[dexter]

shane, i converted you to athiesm (i sound so xtian) at the begining of this school year. you were a xtian til then, you went to church and youth group too

[Lynx]

ya so but before i let you convert me i thought about the same things

[dexter]

im only fux1n6 with ya. though u didnt think of a lot of the stuff i told u....

its still whatn you believe, and in a sense you made it up. you made it up for yourself. (no one probobly understood that)

[tony1]

Originally posted by Lynx
Though you brought up some good points there, I think Tetra was looking at the matter from a science prespective, not religious.

My mistake, I thought this was the religious debate forum.

[tetra]

This is the closest thing to a philosophy forum, which is why I posted the original topic under >Alternative>

[WildBlueYonder]

I was reading "Return To The Labyrinth of Solitude" by Octavio Paz. It's an interview on his book "The Labyrinth of
Solitude", which is basically Mexican philosophical thought. There was an interesting passage, (pg. 334 from Grove Press), which I would like to quote," I believe that the authentic history of a society concerns not only explicit ideas but, above all, implicit beliefs. Ortega y Gasset distinguish (rightly enough, I think) two domains: that of ideas and that of beliefs. Beliefs live in the innermost soul and, for this reason, change much less than ideas. For example, we all know that the Middle Ages were Thomist, that the seventeenth century was Cartesian and that now many people are Marxists. Yet, in London, Moscow and Paris, people are still reading astrological treatises whose origins are Babylonian, or pursuing magical practices of neolithic times."

Just wanted to share. Live long and prosper. Randolfo