Some might find it acceptable to see individuals sacrificed, along with their goals and to see the fruits of their fulfillments, consigning their happiness to the realm of chance, disregarding individuals. Everyone reaches an age where they know what is good and what is considered evil. There is a distinction, more so when it is in the confinements of religion and dogma. What is the most important demand? The demands of Reason, justice, and freedom? The demands of passion? History is a struggle of passions, great men have worked to satisfy themselves, not others. What is your goal? Do you have one? Do you, as an individual feel as if you are the type to fall into a routine and feel comfortable, such as the famous Platos allegory of the cave, in which they are living in darkness? Are you dissatisfied constantly? What makes you happy? What has happened to the realm of society in which everyone is so intricately unique, each so different in their choice of a Utopian rule, and why is that? Is the purpose of jealousy and spite too much a thorn here and why I understand Plato's concept of how the common man should live? (ie, the republic) That everyone is given certain tasks, particular interests in which they themselves are brought up to be accomplished in? Does this help the dissention among mankind where they have been so lost in their goal of indecisiveness, and so the idle hands are work of the devil sayings are echoing in some of the more religious leader’s thoughts? I believe that if there is a God, there is this goal of the same kind of thing... and that is the reason, perhaps for the destruction and creation of civilizations.
An American psychologist, Steven Reiss, has researched on what bothers you. He has developed the “Reiss-profile” – a set of life-priorities for each individual. Several psychologists have expanded, or rather reduced (Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!) his profile(s) to make it better adapted to a layperson’s understanding and also because some of his motivations could be summed up to one more general motive. Main motives of people based on his theory encompass: Power Independence Curiosity Acceptance Order Saving Honor Idealism Social contact Family Social status etc. Reiss et al. maintain that every single person takes his/her decisions based on his/her imminent set of motives. Here, one single motive can be predominant, but usually you have a mix. Some mixes are typical, for instance it is very often that a person predominantly independent is also curious. But not only do those motives determine how you go about your life, they also shape the way how you SEE your surroundings. Often people tend to think that they share a common view with others – I think in English this is called “self-hugging”. Self-hugging consists of three typical “traps” Misunderstandings: a person that is ambitious sees himself as powerful and dynamic, but is often seen by others as ruthless. Self-illusion: everybody takes it for granted that all others share the same values as him/her “Missionarism”: everybody tries to persuade others to behave along the same lines as him/her. The powerful person from the example above will not give up to make others more “dynamic” even if a more timid person maybe completely content. [/list=a] The opposite is also valid: we admire mostly those people who manage doing things we think highly unlikely for ourselves. Hope this helps more than answering your question on a personal level.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I've lurked around here for a while, but this particular question got me thinking enough to make a reply. So this is actually my very first reply. What do I demand? At first thought, respect enters my mind. But then I realize that most people I know that demand respect don't really deserve it. I can't demand a certain level of living. Not being of royal linage or heir to some great fortune...this is dependent upon my own ambition... I realize that I'm really not much of a demanding person. But there is one thing. Something that I voluntarily laid down my life for. And that's freedom. I fought for it, my father before me, and most of the men in my family that I'm aware of. Not necessarily the freedom to do whatever I want whenever I want...that's anarchy. But the freedom that enables hope. The knowledge that the government isn't going to drag me out of my house if I have ideas that don't agree with their written creed. The freedom that allows me to worship the God of my choice without fear of persecution... The freedom that allows me to shut things down here and pick them up somewhere else and start all over again, should I determine that's what's best for me. If there's anything I couldn't imagine living without, this is it.
what do i demand? i guess for some1 who demands so much ive never thought of it. i dont think i could list it in order, its always changing. revenge, huge with me. all these fools must die! power, depends ont he definition. power over others? i hate controlling other people. power as in being strong and capabl? its nice ot have in that respect. acceptence, while i consiasly go agaisnt every main stream ideal i can i really do wish very much to have some1, any1, accept me. as of yet no has. feedome. also very high up on the list. death. i demand it, i dream of it, i thrive on it, i have a thirst for it day and night. companions/love, or atleast some1 that cares about me. and understands me. -edit- and pain. didnt think to add this before but i realise its as esential to me as anything. so i guess i demand the right to live up to my own standards and the rite to ruin others due to theres. make sence? does anything i say make sence?
Geez forgot about this topic, Thanks, sparkle for the info. ^_^ Reiss pretty much summed it up and essentially doesn’t take a psychologist to outline out what an individual covets in a western world. Your list that the psychologists have summed up from Reiss’s analysis: Main motives of people based on his theory encompass: Power/ Independence /Curiosity /Acceptance /Order /Saving /Honor /Idealism /Social contact Family/Social status etc Although in less developed societies this is also true and if one reads Jane Goodalls research on the pecking order of gorillas they too have the same wants and needs. Also, on the order of self hugging whereas a person who is assertive sees himself as a positive reflection of what is required of him/herself, gives the impression to others as callous probably doesn’t understand the condition of what is enough to be aggressive. Maybe that is the problem. Not enough balance to understand how far one can go, I mean, how ambitious can one get? This is a common ailment to those who want to prove themselves worthy or basks in the knowledge that they are better than good enough and it gives them an adrenaline rush. And the 2nd where an individual takes it for granted in sharing their ideals, well, we tend to gravitate to those persons who share our ideals or causes. There is a sense of private understanding and to those who don’t recognize their values, and then of course they are seen as self deluded in their conception of their importance. Again, I’ll stress the idea of equilibrium in seeing only what you want to see and not what others want you to see. It’s what philosophers try to stress constantly, balance, whether it’s in social interaction or in one’s personal idealistic manifestation. The missionarism approach for the person receiving the influence only means that they themselves try to please the more “aggressive” person in order to make friendship, peace and some kind of harmony thus their timidity or lack of brutal way maintains a sort of balance to counteract those who are passionate and adamant about their actions/deeds. Ok, you got to a personal level although in most cases most individuals demand this but aren’t privy to actually taking “action” for this kind of stipulation. I guess on a whole most people are more reflective and less demanding after struggling the first early years of their lives for what they want, and then if they can’t get it, they fall into a mode of giving up and living life as it comes. Maybe what they look for is someone or something, whether it’s a group of people or just another individual who will activate/inspire them into action or pursuit of some kind of bliss. Sonlyme, I think you already have freedom. You live in America, right? lol. Cthulhus slave, oh yeah, I think I understand what ya mean. Revenge huh? Okay, revenge gives character but as you know, it’s not going to prove anything but instigates a vicious cycle of hate and …oh, I checked your profile, no wonder. ^_^ Your last statement; “companions/love, is any1 worthy of me? ima totale narsisist and il be the first to say so. i demand that others get up out of the mud and behave at least worthy of life.” You should be speaker to suicides, alcoholics, wastrels and the degenerates who fall into the depressing life of selfish indulgence.
aw shit, i meant Jane goodalls--chimpanzees, Dian Fosseys was the gorrilla research. ugh. I type way too fast, faster than my thoughts, well anyway, you guys get my point about social order and demands.
Marigny , I read and re-read your posts and alot of it still comes across as convoluted . Taken one sentence at a time they are understandable . Together , however , they seem to meander from one subject to the next . Maybe this is just your style or my limited ability to comprehend . Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I think most people don't "demand" anything . Most simply want to be left alone , raise a family , acquire property and to pursue their own desires and hopes . The transition from request to demand , usually involves a situation where individuals are forced to demand , after enduring a long series of provocations . Some parts of your posts are troubling , for they seem to have a socialistic theme running through them that hints at aspirations towards social engineering ( please tell me if this is incorrect ) . Example , this quote seems very Soviet to me "...everyone is given certain tasks, particular interests in which they themselves are brought up to be accomplished in " ----------------------------------- Presently , I don't demand anything , but I do request the truth .
i didn't understand it either when it was written in a hurry so don't worry! LOL, sorry, man, didn't bother to edit it. but yeah, now that you mentioned it, it does sound a bit soviet/communistic doesn't it? but at the time it was written i was re-reading Platos Republic. ALot of what he wrote has many elements of marxism. Sometimes it is a good idea to have these tasks given to individuals and at the time it would have worked but nope, not in this current society. No way, it's way too difficult to actually try and "control" a species such as man no matter how philosophers, politicians, leaders try to think it is the best way. And the socialistic themes, well, I live in europe and we're more socialistic than most of our western brothers and sisters.
"“You should be speaker to suicides, alcoholics, wastrels and the degenerates who fall into the depressing life of selfish indulgence." uhh... that would beyond any dought include me. but i think u meant that as sarcasm seeing as you most likly could tell that.
Personally, I would say time to think. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! If God was to grant me one thing, that's what I would ask for. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! As an American Christian I understand that it is God who makes things happen, and it is with his grace that the world is the way it is. I would love to undertake the task God has given us, to research the world he has made, however it may be a short while yet before I can do that. However, I hope Gods grace and mercy will be as open to me as his love has been so far. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Sefter, what mean you? That God gives you something like a task and then you would grant all the things of what? Cosmic, nothing huh? Hm, I shall see what your previous posts say and we'll see how much you demand. ^-* lol. what's with all the smilies, guys? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Marigny...... Please feel free to review all of my posats and you will see that I have given many links, sites and advice here already and have never asked for anything in return.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
hmmm....naaaahhhh, 's okay, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I believe you! You truly are a paragon of virtue. ^_^
