Why I hate teenagers!

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by nico, Jul 10, 2003.

  1. nico Banned Banned

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    I am a 17 poster seemingly well known in the Politics forum. But I have a beef that I have to share with you. Teens! Yes they are shit, to tell you the truth they make me sick. Even my own friends make me sick. Of course I don't tell them, and if I do it's in "joke" speak. What makes he hate my "own" kind:

    i) stupidity
    ii) consumerism
    iii) indifference
    iv) hedonism

    Yes those are the principle reasons why I hate teens. I haven't bought anything in 6 months. I don't want to drive, I don't want. Now at school all I hear is the latest fad, or car, or music. It get's me so angry, not so much that they are talking about it but that's all they talk about. I must admit I don't listen to today's music, or care about the new hairdo. Instead they should be talking about news, and things that actaully effect them. Nope they don't. I want to know what you think. Are teens as shit as I think they are?
     
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  3. nico Banned Banned

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    Typical example of a Teenaged moron, you see what I mean?
     
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  5. xelius00 Registered Senior Member

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    I hear you, and most people are like that. I've felt like you quite often and I'm 17 too.

    Normally I'm a pretty quiet and conservative guy but I'm also fairly popular and have been known to go wild and follow the fads once in a while. That doesn't take away from my interest in history, politics, news, etc. Most people are actually surprised to learn that I'm an "in-the-closet-dork".

    Anyway you should find that, although most teens are into fads and not as into the stuff you are into, many of them are at least marginally aware of the world outside their little teenage bubble.

    The qualities of

    i) stupidity
    ii) consumerism
    iii) indifference
    iv) hedonism

    that you have described can actually sum up most people of all ages, hehe. You should see my grandpa proudly walking around in his new nike digs around christmas time.

    It's also important to note that just because people are into something that isn't necessarily "educational" or "eye-opening", it doesn't make what they're into any less important or any less worthy of their attention, nor is it any less important in their development as adults and their formation of morals and ideas.

    Just loosen up and have a little play with that work of yours.
     
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  7. nico Banned Banned

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    I also "hear you" but I just think it get's a bit excessive at times. For instance today in summer school a kid called the police saying that there were two gunmen in the school! Or in class we are discussing something like mental disorders but could i hear? no, some freaking morons in the back making noise. Worst of all is the incessant talking always.

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    I am not a anal person, and I can have a good laugh but it seems that teens today are so hi on dope or just don't care that you feel like a your lost and no one hears you. What else I have noticied is the comsumerism that drives these people. What do they all want? MONEY!and the car. HA! half of them are going to be on welfare. I just think that teens are pushing it. Hedonism is also a huge problem that I find.
     
  8. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with you completely Nico....fear not....there is worthwhile youth out there it is just that they are spread out, not unlike the stupid, childish youth which resides in massas therefore being more unified and absurd to the umpteenth level.

    I listen to todays music, i like the new fashion..i ..can dig it but i still can't stand the youth of America...or of any country for that matter...


    WE are just old timers in young bodies ehh
     
  9. nico Banned Banned

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    sargentlard

    Thanks for agreeing with me, it seems that I am the only one that thought these things. But it seems that teens see the massive amounts of wasted food, and air that are teens.

    I listen to todays music, i like the new fashion..i ..can dig it but i still can't stand the youth of America...or of any country for that matter...


    The question becomes how much of this consumerism are you driven too? You and your friend talk about what??? And what are the reasons you need the new harido? Those are questions I want to ask you.

    WE are just old timers in young bodies ehh

    No what we are, are people with functioning brains.
     
  10. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    Barely, if any. I can live without luxary to a great extent.


    Philosophy, politics, life in general, entertainment, perverse sexual humor etc etc etc.


    Haven't changed my hair in 19 years.


    hehe...to each his own i say. I don't care for their trends as long as they keep the stupidity out of my face.
     
  11. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    I'm really only annoyed by them when they are whining about the harshness of their plight. :bugeye:

    hehe
     
  12. nico Banned Banned

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    Well Wes I am arguing that teens become more responsible. Sick that teens are driving the modern consumerist economy. Don't get me wrong wes I am being a atypical teen by lashing out at this consumerist mess that teenage years have become. Your over 30 so you don't realize the LACK of potential in teens. Supossedly we are "smarter" than our former teens.

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    I've got to see it to believe it.
     
  13. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    Of course they do. It's part of the process of maturing.
    It's only natural. Gadgets toys and trinkets are always sought after. We're human, accept it. I've found that things are the way they are because nature has made it that way. We are not as separate as your idealistic nature would have you think. I say this after having thought similarly even somewhat recently. I'd say I was very very liberal until 25 or so, then had major realizations over a 5 year period.. ending up conservative. My version of being conservative is considered liberal by a lot of republicans... anyway... just parlaying some personal history.

    What I should focus on is that almost surely when you're 30 you'll realize that at 17 you really weren't capable of comprehending what you come to think of as "responsibility".
    You're a good kid nico, I can tell. It's okay to be a teen, that's what you are. You'll have plenty of time to be older later eh? Be what you are. Worry about finding weed and getting laid for a while.

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    What? Hehehe.. teens slack, it's the nature of the beast. You're just too smart but lack the experience to know that teens are just slackass bitches without a real clue. Even you nico, with all your brain power, good intentions and knowledge.. most likely don't know shit about what you'll think is important later.
    Hehe.. what kind of fantasy world are you living in? Humans have evolved or something since I last checked in? Hehe.. hey man, more information doesn't make you smarter. Actually more information is more dangerous as you are more intelligent but less mature if you follow me. Anyway.. not trying to preach, only trying to help you understand some junk.
    I wouldn't waste your time bro, it's simply not true.
     
  14. Fafnir665 You just got served. Registered Senior Member

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    Nico, you are useless. Your not being atypical in anyway, your being more typical then you imagine. You decide that your country is skrewing you, so you lash out. Boo hoo, get over it. Who cares if our society is being controled by megacorporations? You think your going to change it by lashing out on a forum? If you care so much, why don't you go make a fucking difference, instead of wasting your time trying to buddy up with sciforumers? Is that going to get you anywhere?

    To go threw your list,

    Stupidity can be defined as, "A stupid act, remark, or idea". How do you not fall into this? Are you calling yourself stupid whil applying this to all teens? All your response to this thread, that you started, have been full of errors and miss-assumptions, why not wait a few years and gain some knowledge? People are stupid until they know better, for some this takes longe rthen others.

    Consumerism, you have to be kidding me. Did you just open your eyes? Everyone in the united states, well, any modern country, displays comsumeristic behaviors. You included, unless your walking around in a monks robe you can't even call your own, or living nakid in the woods. By wearing clothes you submit to this. "havnt bought anything in 6 months", but have your parents bought you clothing? I suspect yes.

    Indifference, to what? To you? To things you care about? Do too many people ignore you in school? Do you feel left out? Are you feeling lonly and alone because nobody shares your opinions? Just becuase a contemporary teen is more concerned with their social life, doesn't mean they are detached from reality, get a clue. All people grow up, most grow out of having that phase dominate their conciousness.

    Hedonism. How are you not pursuing this? Aren't you pursuing pleasure by posting your opinion, and relishing in the positive glowing replies? Do you take any praise you recieve to heart? Does it make you feel good inside? Take a look inside, you'll notice that seeking pleasure, and avoiding pain, are your true pursuits.


    Did you just finish a course in great books or something? All your doing is farting out old ideas as your own, had an original thought lately? For some reason, sciforums is just a popularity club, your feeding that, replacing real life relationships with a forum, go you.
     
  15. nico Banned Banned

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    Well it's funny since you've just seen what a typical teen acts and thinks. Arguements based on questions, i have friends yes. I have problems with many people yes. I consider myself to be a avoidant. I'll admit it. I don't think i am useless my dear, do you think I am useless? Now what have I done to prove my point? Well if that person per se is so commercialist and hedonist I won't talk to them. It's happened in the past where they want to be my friend and I show indifference to their cause. Now am I a asshole? Sure, i'll admit it as well. I choose my friends, I don't follow the flow (shit it's like menstration high school, lol). But granted I don't believe in comsumerism, I am a technocrat a world in which there is no such thing as money. And I see consumerism as a great evil. If done in moderation then it's ok. But i have seen many excesses. For instance someone at my school (won't name names), has a cell phone. Now how many ppl call him? ONE, his mom!

    Do too many people ignore you in school?

    Acutally quite the opposite.

    Do you feel left out?

    Of course when they are talking about irrelevantcy sure i feel left out and i am proud that I am.

    Just becuase a contemporary teen is more concerned with their social life, doesn't mean they are detached from reality, get a clue.

    I think you and many others are revising the original theory. I meant in moderation it's okay. But it is excessive, do you disagree?

    How are you not pursuing this?

    Don't smoke, don't drink, what do you do? (lol)

    Aren't you pursuing pleasure by posting your opinion, and relishing in the positive glowing replies?

    Ohh of course i am getting all hot and bothered

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    Does it make you feel good inside?

    What it makes me feel is understood.

    Take a look inside, you'll notice that seeking pleasure, and avoiding pain, are your true pursuits

    SURE

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    FREUD over here.

    For some reason, sciforums is just a popularity club, your feeding that, replacing real life relationships with a forum, go you.

    Well i don't consider talking out of one's ass is smart like you are doing now.
     
  16. Fafnir665 You just got served. Registered Senior Member

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    Do you know the meaning of the word "consumerism"? Consumerism is the attachment to materialistic values, or possesions. There are other definitions, but this is the one that best fits your argument. Unless you have another definition, this is the one I'm going to work with. So using this definition, how does being a technocrat erase this? It doesn't, straight and simple. Your "files" and such may not be represent in the physical world (ignoring harddrives physical space), but their still possesions. Are you going to openly share all information you store? You have an online personality, which is yours. You have screen names, handles, whatever word you want to use, which are distinctly yours. So what? Everyone is a consumerist in todays society, get over it. Money is not the driving force behind consumerism, peoples wants and needs are.

    As for not persuing a better life, pleasure full, and pain free, artificial means really have no matter to do with it. Alcohol and smoking, i'm assuming marijuana, are both artificial means to an end. You are satisfying yourself by the persuits you choose to persue (lol at that sentence). You are avoiding pain by not walking into it purposfully, it's really hard to make a convincing argument against this, "I walk on nails, date people who abuse me, and ignore every oppurtunity to get out of this", but there are people ho get pleasure from that. Humans are hedonistic by nature.

    Almost fogot, I have never seen a teenager argue threw questions, I've always seen them argue threw have truths and assumptions, can you explain your starting statement there buddy?

    Last sentence did originate in my ass. Give me a break, I've been on a roof all day.
     
  17. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Your problem is your IQ. You need a dog.

    Now that I've got your attention with that seemingly random juxtaposition of thoughts, I promise that there is logic in that title.

    You have the same problem that intelligent people of every generation in every era have had. You can see through all the Crap. For you Crap is Crap, it's the stuff you have to wade through and push aside to really get into life.

    But for everybody else, Crap is life, life is Crap. Live for Crap, buy Crap, go to work and do Crap in order to help other people make Crap and sell Crap.

    Ever listen to George Carlin? People have so much shit that they don't have enough places to put it. So they rent little storage units where they can put all the shit they don't have room for, and then they have room to go out and buy more shit. Know anybody who has ever gone and taken some shit out of one of those little storage units? Ever? They are shit dumps.

    Occasionally they find a whole extended family of immigrants living in one of those places. Cooking, mattresses, everything. Americans rent places to store the shit that they don't have room for and will never look at again, and the places are so big that to people in poor countries they are apartments that can hold an entire family. That is really one hell of a lot of shit.

    Jung calls the spirit that has taken the dominant role in your life right now "The Magician." Only a magician understands how magic works and knows that it's all a big scam, sleight of hand, skillful lying, elaborate hoaxes. To everybody else, it's really magic and it makes their lives richer. To you it's really Crap. Every adolescent goes through a bit of a "magician" phase, even the ones who aren't bright like you folks. It's the nature of adolescence to question things, to figure out how they work and yell when you see that it's not real. But their hormones eventually rescue them from it and for most of them, the spirit that takes over their lives next is "The Lover."

    After that, you start to grow up and your life goes off on its own individual track, and everybody finds (or tries to find) the one spirit inside them that seems to represent what's really important to them and makes sense to them, based upon all the experiences they've had, good and bad. It might be the Caregiver, it might be the Leader, it might be the Party Animal (hey these spirits all have nice eloquent sounding Greek names but I don't speak Greek), it might be the Hunter, it might be the Scholar or any of twenty others.

    The trouble with being really bright is that you start to see the whole unfolding of your life, including what you're expected to go through next, as just an endless series of bogus magic. So it's possible to get stalled in the Magician phase of your life and stay there, saying It's All Crap.

    And that's really sad. Because all those other people, the ones with average IQs, the ones who can't see through the magic -- they go on through life's next stages, but they're pretty limited in what they can accomplish because the Crap gets a lot of control over them. They fall in love and get married and start a family, but they fill their family's life with Crap, without realizing that it's Crap. They get what they think is a good job, but they're just building Crap. They vote and go to church and try to be active in their kids' lives, and all they're doing is promulgating Crap.

    But you bright kids, you are the ones that can see the Crap and do your best to avoid letting it get the better of you. You are the one-percenters who have the ability to fight the Crap, to help lead humanity down a path that will minimize the Crap.

    You can only do that if you're willing to take the next step into maturity and stop being Magicians. Just sitting there yelling, "It's all Crap," isn't going to accomplish anything, even though what you're yelling is true. If you don't do something about the Crap, you end up having really been no different from the ordinary people whom you disdain because they let the Crap conquer them. If you don't use your superior intellect to beat the Crap, then the Crap has beaten you too.

    Find someone to love. It doesn't have to last forever, it just needs to exercise your heart muscle and let your Magician rest for a bit while your Lover gets a chance to see the world and you get to see it through the Lover's eyes instead of the Magician's. The Lover doesn't see Crap everywhere. Not that it's not there or that he doesn't know it's there, it's just that it turns out there's a whole bunch of other stuff out there in the world too, and you don't have to spend your entire life looking at the Crap and getting pissed off about it.

    It doesn't even have to be an actual human boyfriend or girlfriend, if you really aren't ready for that. Get a dog and love your dog. Dogs are very helpful. For one thing, you just can't talk to your dog about Crap. He'll listen politely, but he won't give a Crap. He doesn't care too much about what you say, because to a dog it's actions that count, not words.

    Get a dog, love him and you'll find yourself facing some of those uncomfortable decisions and moving on with your life. You'll admit sheepishly (to yourself, never to anybody else) that your dog got you to do it. And you will have discovered why people have been living with dogs since 4000 years before they even invented civilization. Some of us believe that man's ability to form a multi-species community and share his life with dogs made him expand his way of thinking to be able to communicate with the dogs, and that was one of the key advancements that allowed him to become clever enough to invent civilization.

    It's said that a dog brings out the little kid in all of us, and that's certainly true. But he also really brings out the adult.

    As for today's high-tech shoes, that's a perfect example of how everything isn't really 100 percent Crap. These shoes are godsends. If you had to go through a semester with the one pair of "tennies" that we had to use for every kind of activity, you'd hurt so bad you'd cry. You'd have blisters and corns and fallen arches and heel spurs by the time you're 25 and you'd think it was normal. If I had to pick three things that were developed since I was a kid that really made life better, they might be rock and roll, affordable air conditioning, and good athletic shoes.
     
  18. spookz Banned Banned

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    You can see through all the Crap.

    yah
    but did nico see past the catholic shit? or the mother teresa shit? perhaps he sees thru smelly shit that is obviously yucky, but what about shit thats drenched in french perfume and dressed up to the nines?
     
  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Ah, I wish it was this easy.
    Nico, this is what people are like. Age is completely irrelevent.
    When you're 40, they'll be talking about their children's soccer practices, their hair, or the latest car.

    Get over yourself. Wow, you're so fucking deep. You care about politics. Man. Can I blow you now?

    Intellect is not a bragging point - it is simply a fact of life. If you need to brag and chatter about how different you are, you likely aren't.

    P.S: Music is important. If you interpret superstring theory in a certain way, all matter is music.
     
  20. Fafnir665 You just got served. Registered Senior Member

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    dude, your lucky, xev offered to blow you, i'd take her up if i were you
     
  21. New Life Registered Senior Member

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    Yes the world/society sucks, especially western society

    so now you've realized it (as most people do around your age), you've got choices now:

    1) shut up about it
    2) go along with it
    3) yell about it to people who arent listening
    or
    4) do something about it

    Personally I choose to do something about it, starting in my own life and moving outward from there. But please, whatever you do, do NOT just yell about it on an online forum.
     
  22. spookz Banned Banned

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    hmm
    xev dear can i be your friend? can we...hang out?
     
  23. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    and you keep wondering why women here avoid you.
     

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