Is the US a Facist state?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by nico, May 13, 2003.

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Is the US a fascist state?

  1. Ahhh me no thinks so

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  2. Well maybe, but not likely

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  3. Yeah, but she dosen't know it

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  4. Do I hear Mussolini in Washington lately!

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  1. nico Banned Banned

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    The United States along with the likes of the UK, and the USSR fought off the evil that was European and Japanese Fascism, and or authoritarianism. But the state the fascist dream never really went away it loitered around. Now Argentina was fascist, Iraq, Iran was (If you consider Islamofacism). But what makes a Nation a fascist one:

    1.Militant nationalism, proclaiming the racial and cultural superiority of the dominant ethnic group and asserting that group's inherent right to a special dominant position over other peoples in both the domestic and the international order

    (Could this be that the US is proclaiming that her cultural way of life principly Democracy is in fact superior, and the ethnic group is obviously Arabs.)

    2.The adulation of a single charismatic national leader said to possess near superhuman abilities and to be the truest representation of the ideals of the national culture, whose will should therefore literally be law

    Tough one here Rumsfled or Bush, either way he is adulated due to divisive wars against the Arab people

    3.Emphasis on the absolute necessity of complete national unity, which is said to require a very powerful and disciplined state organization (especially an extensive secret police and censorship apparatus), unlimited by constitutional restrictions or legal requirements and under the absolute domination of the leader and his political movement or party

    Homeland security

    4.Militant anti-Communism coupled with the belief in an extreme and imminent threat to national security from powerful and determined Communist forces both inside and outside the country

    Hmmmmm.. let's replace anti-communism with anti- terror (Islam), and the extreme and imminent threat is obviously from a determined Al Qaeda.

    5.Contempt for democratic socialism, democratic capitalism, liberalism, and all forms of individualism as weak, degenerate, divisive and ineffective ideologies leading only to mediocrity or national suicide

    Some would say the US isn't all that democratic, but in today's america being a liberal is bad, being a socialist is bad, and both considered ineffective.

    6.Glorification of physical strength, fanatical personal loyalty to the leader, and general combat-readiness as the ultimate personal virtues

    Otherwise known as Baptists.

    7.A sophisticated apparatus for systematically propagandizing the population into accepting these values and ideas through skilled manipulation of the mass media, which are totally monopolized by the regime once the movement comes to power

    CNN,MSNBC, but worst of all worse than the US government itself FOX NEWS! And the propoganda chief Goebe... sorry I mean Rumsfeld, and Perle.

    8.A propensity toward pursuing a militaristic and aggressive foreign policy

    Not even going to dignify with a answer.

    9.Strict regulation and control of the economy by the regime through some form of corporatist economic planning in which the legal forms of private ownership of industry are nominally preserved but in which both workers and capitalists are obliged to submit their plans and objectives to the most detailed state regulation and extensive wage and price controls, which are designed to insure the priority of the political leadership's objectives over the private economic interests of the citizenry. Therefore under fascism most of the more important markets are allowed to operate only in a non-competitive, cartelized, and governmentally "rigged" fashion.

    This is a hard one can't think of a example, if you can help me out. Actually I believe it's visa versa the companies decide American policy and they hold more power than the normal American ever can.
     
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  3. goofyfish Analog By Birth, Digital By Design Valued Senior Member

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    Laurence Britt has written a good overview of the symptoms of fascism. We are not experiencing fascism in this country yet, but clearly the way is being paved for its accession to power.
    But what about the basis for fascism. Here is the thing that has been overlooked and ignored to such an extent that one would think the entire nation, especially the liberals, were in total denial.
    This was from a critical speech given by Georgi Dimitrov in 1935 to clarify the class nature of fascism, which at that time was mistakenly believed by many to be the political expression of the small business owners and farmers. The US "ruling class" is more frightened by a deepening economic crisis and the increased threat of cutthroat competition from their capitalist rivals, than they are by acts of terrorism - yet they claim to be protecting the interests of the average citizen.

    It's a fascinating process that unfolds as a nation drifts toward fascism.

    :m: Peace.
     
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  5. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    There's certainly a move in the direction of these criteria, but we aren't facist just yet (heh, ok, maybe some PEOPLE in America are faceists, that's pretty undenyable). Anyway if we keep voting republican the problem is just going to get worse

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  7. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    I dont think its a fascist state , because its not totalitarian . I do like to call them fascist because they do have fascist tendencies and characteristics , but modern day western civilization has power in the $ not in the

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    As far as nationally they are not directly fascist against their own minorities , but inderectly they are most defintely . U simply got much better opportunities if you are white or jewish than when you are black or hispanic taken in general . Now if this was a conscious governmental policy , it would be fascist . But it isnt , its simply the result of its economics and current class division (one that ofcourse is historical) . Internationally they are most defintly be fascist , but not somuch dealing with Arabs , as much as with everybody they do business with who they benefit more from than those from them do . Economically this isnt quite fascsim either for the same reasons , but as it goes on the Mid-East , Israel and the wars , its a done deal . Mussolini just had different marketing .

    Although this whole patriotsm idiocy does lead toward the concept , we all know bushie aint got shit tom say . Its not totalitarian , he dictates nothing (proabably his daddy has even more to say than he does) .

    As far as the party to have a certain power , that hasnt been different ever has it ?

    It is quite a laugh , they're more like wannabe fascist a true fascist wouldnt have a 9-11 .

    Indeed , it worx quite the same . Like it is its contra-product . The authority is threatned (fascist) by revolution (communism) . And in name of this everything goes .

    But as USA isnt a classical fascist state it shouldnt be viewed exactly like that . democracy is a system unlike most peoples want to believe , its not having the peoples in charge (hey communism said the same thing , they dont vote) . Democracy as a system is simply the Stalinistic product of offering illusions as choices . What the hell can you choose in USA , the campaign is like one big crazy party , its ridiculous , the debates were a joke , Im sorry but thats not democratic voting , thats simply the system of the democratic republic , or was it the republican democracy /
    who knows ? it doesnt matter its the same anyways .

    How about "FREEDOM' ...........

    Indeed they have specialists who actually knew Goebbels Im sure , but its different though . You see the propagaters needed to lie , the marketeers just tell the truth and people dont mind .
    Its all a matter of presenting things . Its not Stalinist propaganda anyways like NK . But the results are BETTER , now thats what i call market-force .

    Indeed , although they even while shooting they keep on smiling like idiots and ask how ur doing down there . Its quite amazing .
    Did anmybody btw notice the ammount of sports-commentary-ship with those camera's on those tanks in Iraq ? incredible .

    If you have an economic system that has linked its $ interests with the polivy the government is making , because they have the same goals , then I can think u can say there is a certain thing going on as described in here . Its free market , but stritcly pro-governmental .
    lets call it a coincidence ?

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  8. WasiGermany Banned Banned

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    most of bush´s speeches reflect some "famous" speeches of hitler ...
    that say´s a lot or am i wrong ?

    ps :nico ,.................*applause*
     
  9. nico Banned Banned

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    ps :nico ,.................*applause*

    Are you calling me Hitler? I am sorry I don't support that stuff I'm not German.
     
  10. WasiGermany Banned Banned

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    no ,i called bush hitler
     
  11. nico Banned Banned

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    So what was that supposed to mean, it made no sense (to me at least!)
     
  12. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Dont like bush, dont vote for him. Same with any president. Electoral college only factors in when it is a tie or a near tie.

    Live outside the country? You are irrelavent as fas as US politics go.

    There is also little things such as the the constiution and division of powers that you forget about.
     
  13. WasiGermany Banned Banned

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    a fascist country needs a "fuehrer" ,don´t you think so ?
     
  14. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    as if u are relevant if you DO live in the USA .
     
  15. nico Banned Banned

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    ps :nico ,.................*applause*

    What is this supposed to mean?

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    Allah americans don't realize, the greatest Fasicist democracy on Earth! Clockwood individual freedoms don't guarentee you a spot on the relevance list in the US government or any other for that matter!
     
  16. WasiGermany Banned Banned

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    i called you in another thread idiot ,but i was a bit wrong with that
     
  17. nico Banned Banned

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    i called you in another thread idiot ,but i was a bit wrong with that

    I thought so! LETS JUST HOPE THAT DOSEN'T HAPPEN AGAIN!

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    I 'LL NEVER FORGET THIS MIND YOU:

    not enough ,so we´ll start slaughtering all this fucking jews again ;let´s start tomorrow and begin with freakin nico from toronto

    YOU WANT ME TO DIE? :bugeye:
     
  18. WasiGermany Banned Banned

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    a bit wrong don´t makes you mr perfect ,DON´T FORGET THIS

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  19. nico Banned Banned

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    YOU WANTED ME TODIE !!! . A BIT WRONG THAT IS DEAD RIGHT SCARY! WHOA I DON'T LIKE YOU AT ALL.
     
  20. WasiGermany Banned Banned

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    you must be kidding ............

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  21. nico Banned Banned

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    you must be kidding ............

    Does it look like it?

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    You think I like you LMFAO! You call me a idoit and you want me to die and you are genrally a ignorant closet nazi, wanting to kill the jews! Yeah I don't like you!
     
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    yeah ,gimme some jews i that i can slaughter

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    it´s getting boring nico ,so please search some friends or do something else with your time

    don´t be stupid ,
    be a smartie ,
    come and join the nazi party
     
  23. nico Banned Banned

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    it´s getting boring nico ,so please search some friends or do something else with your time

    Unlike you, I have many friends from many different places. I have more people interested in what I say compared to you. And you are one sick MF!

    don´t be stupid ,

    Listen to your own advice that's my advice to you.

    come and join the nazi party

    :bugeye: RIGHT!

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    I now HATE you.
     

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