What is the PNAC? Well the PNAC is a acronym for the "Project for the New American Century". And so? This document is quite possibly the most Dangerous document ever written since 1939, when the Nazi's and Soviets signed a non- agression pact. The PNAC is basicly put the roadmap for total American hyper-powerdom and hegemony. The policy is playing herself out now. After the invasion of Iraq (which had been in the works much before 9/11) was the first step. Ever since the early 70's many neo-conseratives began to influence the highest levels of the Republican white house. There policies were the crux of Reagan-ism. Such figures as James Woosley, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle began to push for much greater arms spending. And the US en-debted itself by doing so. Once the once mighty Soviet empire collasped the Neo-Cons felt that they were invincible. They "in their eyes" brought down communism, now that America had reached hyper- powerdom they felt that imposing America's will on others was justified. Thus in 1992 Wolfowitz wrote a document that totally reversed America's policy of containment,to pre-epmtion. But once GHB was kicked out of office that policy was routed by the Clinton administration. In 1994 the US had reached a deal with NK over her nuke program. A DEAL!!! screamed the neo-cons, believe that NK actually had the Gaul to challenge US authority! But oddly enough now that these zealots are in power they are confused as what to do with a actual NUKE NK. But the PNAC was really meant for one region, the Middle East. The US' best ally Israel was under constant threat, especially the former darling of the neo- cons Saddam. The policy ever since it's inception was to get Iraq first at any cost. What shocks me is that the American public is so very blind to this. How they actaully believed the invasion of Iraq was totally because of WMD! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! http://www.jsonline.com/news/gen/apr03/131523.asp It is obvious that the Bush administration in the Pentagon, and Department of Defense have taken a posture of pre-emption, and ready to invade any nation that stands in the way of this policy. What worries me is that this polviy could be used against North Korea! This rampage has to end sometime that sometimes is 2004 the GWB administration has to leave!!!
I dont know about the theory , but I do know its outcome isnt far from actuality . Want the pre-emptive a new thing ? U serious ? lol is a barking dog shocking as well ?
Want the pre-emptive a new thing ? ??? What is thay supposed to mean? Just wondering? is a barking dog shocking as well ? Yes it is, if you are minding you own biz and some hug dog starts barking for no reason you would get shocked, same logic with this policy. A nation all of a suddent is on the US' target list for no real justifiable reason.
Yes, there's no doubt about PNAC's influence over the current US administration's foreign policies. Richard perle I think also co-wrote a strategic policy document for the Netenyahu Govt in 1996. The document states that Israel's position could be consolodated by the overthrowing of saddam and "rolling back" Syria. The link to the document was posted by Spookz on one of his earlier posts.
What is worrying about this PNAC B.S is that it really has no limits, it's main goal is to maintain US hegemony for as long as it could last. For example the next 50 years would show that a multi- trillion dollar China and a vastly more stable and powerful India, and Russia would begin to challenge the US hegemon, albeit mostly in Asia (at first). What will happen if this idoitic document lasts for 4 decades like containment? Using their logic China will have to be dealt with, I am not willing to accept that fate. And North Korea can kick some major US arse, not to say that the US won't win but millions would die. This notion of attacking Yongbyon is so rejected that the persons who advocate this should be fired. Yongbyon= 20 million dead South Koreans!
pnac can be if used right the greatest help to the word by forcing the emmergence of a federation to replace the un. A socialist government in the short term would help to turn the world around by financing an industrial boom in other regions. This will cause economic growth that would give people jobs. Jobs that paid well. This would trickle throughout the global society. If used wrong it can be real ugly and result in 2 more world wars. The first we are currently still in the beginning of. The second will be when some dictator either from the US or europe tries again to establish a empire encompassing all of humanity. We have lost alot but not enough to justify what we are doing.
It should say , want it a new thing ? u mentioned Wolfowitz to have introduced in 92 , but I thought it was a post-9/11 thing U misudnerstood , I wanted to mention how not shocking it is for the USA public to be blind to it . As far as a nation on the USA list goes , its not like that either . Its not like they dont know why or what is up , although ofcourse the motives of USA are everything BUT righteous . U already assume the west will win the first ? My prediction : 1)a massive clash with Islam , if done well the west goes down . 2)after(if) surviving this there will be eventual a confrontation with the socialists (especially the growth in south america i think will be fundamental) I do think its quite obvious how the Jews weither its by PNAC or any other method are behind Saddam's fall , and the logical next being Syria wasnt quite a surprise either . But I am starting to see Iran as a great potential problem without the strict oil-motivations for the USA......perhaps it has something to do with a possible Shiaa block with Iraq , I dont know ......I do know Israel is in charge though .
u mentioned Wolfowitz to have introduced in 92 Actaully the PNAC documnets were written (or rahter re-written) in 1998. Cheney in the early nineties had to re-write the wolfowitz document to replace pre-emption with containment. As far as a nation on the USA list goes , its not like that either . Its not like they dont know why or what is up , although ofcourse the motives of USA are everything BUT righteous . KUDOS, I couldn't agree more. 1)a massive clash with Islam , if done well the west goes down Acutally the Bible predicts that Islam would be totally destroyed at the end of a war like so. Don't ask me where my friend told me, supposedly the Muslims would invade Italy and take the Pope and then we go bonkers on there ass. 2)after(if) surviving this there will be eventual a confrontation with the socialists (especially the growth in south america i think will be fundamental According to Onwar.com they are (the PNAC guys): anti-Stalinist Trotskyists who became anti-communist liberals, then shifted to a "militaristic and imperial right with no precedents in American culture or political history." Thus maybe it might be socialism they want in the end by using American capitalism!Anyways Socialism is not dangerous to the Americans anymore, it's had become a warm and fuzy idology presonified by "Lula". I do think its quite obvious how the Jews weither its by PNAC or any other method are behind Saddam's fall , and the logical next being Syria wasnt quite a surprise either Please don't say Jews because most aren't ZIONISTS they are the threat and a lot of Zionists are Radical Christian.
pnac can be if used right the greatest help to the word by forcing the emmergence of a federation to replace the un. A socialist government in the short term would help to turn the world around by financing an industrial boom in other regions. This will cause economic growth that would give people jobs. Jobs that paid well. This would trickle throughout the global society. :m: really that is the odd-est thing I have read in a long while. The only way that would happen is if America has no enemies and every country on earth is an American lacky. That economic can't work in countries away from major markets. If used wrong it can be real ugly and result in 2 more world wars. The first we are currently still in the beginning of. The second will be when some dictator either from the US or europe tries again to establish a empire encompassing all of humanity. We have lost alot but not enough to justify what we are doing. I wouldn't say the US or the EU per se maybe China, or India. This is going to be the Asian century as they say.
The bible doesnt speak of islam but of the clash between babylon and Israel . Babylon is simply related to muslims as its that region and because today's israel (today and yesterdays israel are not identical) has a problem with the arabs (who are muslims) . To make it more interesting , the Qu'ran regards the people of Israel as all 3 religions , thus finishing with the Muslims . Babylon isnt mentioned only as the place where the 2 angels came . But Im not really into literary interpertations of the scriptures , I do believe in confrontation of powers , but I dont know exactly yet who's who and whats what and how logical all predicted events are and in what sense they are to be understood . Interesting how Trotsky and his commie clan were all jews . I do see a logical shift between those trotskyist who were chased out by Stalin and todays Jewish USA and Israel . They want whatever comes in handy man How about chavez ? I doubt that a future strong socialist unity in south america wont be threatning to USA . There are plenty valuable things in the south for USA that they dont want others to have , socialism (or whatever it is they're doing there) will certainly not become an ally . The relevant ones are . Im sure plenty of religious and anti-zionist jews among the 6 million in USA , its not the 6 million Im speaking of who are conmsciously contributing to zionism , just the ones who have $ and/or a political interest or position . Indeed it will .
Interesting how Trotsky and his commie clan were all jews . I do see a logical shift between those trotskyist who were chased out by Stalin and todays Jewish USA and Israel . Again that is making Jews look bad they are ZIONISTS. Zionists reject the Torah and are virtually communist. Unless this retarded Pres. leaves office then we would have another 4 years of this. How about chavez ? His vision is much different, I am from Uruguay and South America can be spilt in two, developing and just plain poor. Uruguay, Argentina, Brazil, and Venezuela, Chile are the only countries that can ever hope to reach the first world, and in all actuallity only Argentina, Chile and Uruguay can really reach European levels of living. Chavez represents a segement in South American society that has been long abused, so does Lula. But most South Americans would want a Lula styled socialism, and so would the US. There are plenty valuable things in the south for USA that they dont want others to have , Mercorsur is going to become a playing ground for the EU, China , and the US. Indeed it will . Just as long as they don't go starting WWIII as it looks like they will.
U know Im not speaking about the faith of Judaism . Btw zionists dont all reject the Torah (anymore) , there are some pretty crazy fundamentalist religious zionists today , everythings possible in Israel . I do know the basics of anti-judaism in zionism , and I also know that the Torah forbids the Jews to go to Israel before the Messiah arrives , but after 55 years of crazyness this religious distinction between jews and zionists cant be made anymore like that , not within the nation of zion anyways . Im way to uninformed on the situation , hey perhaps you as an Urguayan can shed some light on certain subjects u can start threads there is way to little (nothing) about south america in here . first let me ask you , as an Uruguyan , arent u pissed those USA-ers stole your continetn semantically : They call themselves Americans.....i think its so damn typical how all these peoples hijack words all the time , lol . As for S-America , I understand there is a huge split in south america , and I think it is a racial one as much as an economical one . Im not saying its strict , but Im saying it shows incredibly . I think this is a huge problem , and especially in venezuela where the anti-socialists are simply the upper-white class . But now I dont really understand how you characterize Lula opposed to Chavez . Is it as he is more holding back than Chavez , is that why USA supports Lula ? I mean Chavez they have tried to bring down with CIA (reminds me of Iraq) , I know they dont like him one bit . About Argentina , as the economy collapsed there immensly , dont u think socialism has a chance there as well ? If you would manage to have a south-american union perhaps such a thing could be prevented .
U know Im not speaking about the faith of Judaism . I know that, but most others won't, it might rub some people the wrong way. and I also know that the Torah forbids the Jews to go to Israel before the Messiah arrives It is true and I don't understand why so many Jewish people don't realize this, and when I watch those Zionists on TV begging to Christians to pay for Russian Jews to come to the "promissed land" it really pisses me off. I wouldn't be surprised if some Zionist feel that Ben Gurion is the messiah. Anyways Israel is a holy name and it was supposed to be called Zion. first let me ask you , as an Uruguyan , arent u pissed those USA-ers stole your continetn semantically : They call themselves Americans.....i think its so damn typical how all these peoples hijack words all the time , lol . Yes I hate the US,and not democrats but repulbicans and not the people. They started operation Condor with the Zionist king Henry Kissegner. They raped the less developed regions of South America, I mean thankfully Uruguay and Argentina are at a higher level educationaly and economicly than the rest but we still have suffered under those fascist dictatorships. WE had the two lost decades the 70's and 80's. But now I dont really understand how you characterize Lula opposed to Chavez . Is it as he is more holding back than Chavez , is that why USA supports Lula ? What Chavez has done in Venezuela was totally re-vamp the constitution and start a quasi- violent campaign against those against him (I would compare him to Mugabe in Zimbabwe). Lula wants to improve the life of the poorer citizens but not ailinate the upper classes. He has continued economic reforms, he is one who wants to change so much the economy but the way of life. He wants seperate the central bank from the Government which is a major development, and wants to actaully reform the Pension system which isn't that socialist is it! Lula is someone who can change without violence and dosent threaten the US. Chavez does, and Chavez has lots of OIL. and I think it is a racial one as much as an economical one . Im not saying its strict , but Im saying it shows incredibly . Ohh yes there is, thankfully Uruguay has a mostly homogenious white population, so there really isn't much in the way of racial seperation. But in other countries, I am talking about less developed Peru in which the governmnet (mostly non- mestizo) went and sterlized natives in the 1990's!!! Economicly speaking the divide is this industrial nations Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, and Brazil. The rest have very little chance of ever developing. About Argentina , as the economy collapsed there immensly , dont u think socialism has a chance there as well ? Oddly enought the Argentine economy is begging to grow agains and at a expected rate of 4%, but last year it shrank by 14%, long ways to go. Socialism in Argentina, I don't see it. Until a new generation of politicians come in it will be same ole, same ole. Economicly Argentina just about a private company and is in debt with $150 billion + to the Imperialist IMF. If you would manage to have a south-american union perhaps such a thing could be prevented What do you think Mercorsur is, it's a trade zone 3ed largest in the world, comprising of Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay. 1.7 trillion in GDP. Meanwhile the Andean pact comprising of Peru,Ecuador, Colombia, Venezulea, and Boliva is only 594.2 billion GDP. See the difference.
dont worry this wont add any value into my daily rubbing . Im sorry I ment on a much lower level , the name AMERICAN . USA-ers call themselves Americans making it look like America is theirs while America is 2 entire continents and not just USA . I know little about the USA influence in south america although your words back up my worst thoughts . Also u should know there's little difference between republicans and democrats , its all one huge joke called democracy . As I said I know little of all this , but if Lula is considered non-threatning to USA i really dont know how serious lula should be taken . could he be a usa puppet , Im not a believer of peacefull serious changes as changes are conflicting with interests of people and they'll hold on quite violently . I know little about Urugay ethnicity other than what Ive seen in their soccer team , that didnt look to homogenic to me . is it mis-representing ? what is mestizo ? Peru native population ? Hey I dont know man i thought it was some venezuela oil field Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Indeed I see the difference : 4 countries with 3 times as many as 5 countries . I have little problems with a chavez-mugabe approach in such exterem circumstances . problem is their approaches wont work as they are incapable . Mugabe totally fucked up everything because nobody but the farmers they chased out knows what to do . But hey......its obvious this wanst/isnt working either .
Im sorry I ment on a much lower level , the name AMERICAN . USA-ers call themselves Americans making it look like America is theirs while America is 2 entire continents and not just USA . I know little about the USA influence in south america although your words back up my worst thoughts . Yes I agree with that too, but USA-ers sounds retarded we shall call them statesmen, or Yankee's. Also u should know there's little difference between republicans and democrats , its all one huge joke called democracy . Maybe your right, but you must admitt that a democrat is a million times better than a republican. I mean a war in Iraq would not have happened, and the PNAC would have been snubbed. As I said I know little of all this , but if Lula is considered non-threatning to USA i really dont know how serious lula should be taken . could he be a usa puppet , Lula is not a puppet but South American history has shown that a agressive leftist president always get's overthrown in the end and a era of repression begins again. Lula has way too many socio-economic problems to deal with to be too pre-occupied with Washington, and the Statemen have to worry about ME terrorism, thankfully they aren't so much in our biz any more. Im not a believer of peacefull serious changes as changes are conflicting with interests of people and they'll hold on quite violently . Martin Luther King? Gandi? I know little about Urugay ethnicity other than what Ive seen in their soccer team , that didnt look to homogenic to me . Firstly it's URUGUAY with a U and yes sorry we do have a small black minority, we get along. We killed all of our natives we had 50,000 and the last ones are encased in Bronze. Thankfully we escaped the Mestizo curse. what is mestizo ? Peru native population ? Mestizo is a person who is part native and part white, which in latin america is a big racial problem. Many believe they are white. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! they aren't. Peru native population ? YES!!! Big time, most of Peru is native. Hey I dont know man i thought it was some venezuela oil field I understand Euro centric ignorance. 4 countries with 3 times as many as 5 countries . Just look at the skylines of Montevideo and compare it to a Lima, Buenos Aires with a Quito. There is a big difference.
"Mestizo is a person who is part native and part white, which in latin america is a big racial problem. Many believe they are white. they aren't. " (nico) why dont you pick your shit up and hightail it back to europe?
Because we are the ones with the Plata my friend I have many Mestizo friends who think they are white, I tell them they aren't they go on a fit. Even in largly Mestizo countries whites control the Plata, Uruguay has token amounts and all from outside Uruguay. Why don't they go back?
you are fabulously freaky, obviously insane and a blight on all humanity. begone from that continent, you genocidal maniacs! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Obviously a jealous and a zealot, who in turn wants to do the same thing to us that we did to your ancestors, I am the maniac? You do realize that if it wasn't for us this continent would be a American state? We brought the idea of law and civilization to the region,too bad if some of us prospered i.e Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina and others failed. Boo hoo.
anglos are so much better than you bloodthirsty portugese. cmon man! you didnt have to kill em all! shame! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
