For God's Sake, Is This Liberation ?

Check this great flash to see the great American 'Liberation' of Iraq:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3089.htm

 

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The oil fields of Iraq has been liberated....The price is the stability of the country and the lives of the Iraqis.

Shame on our troops and media personal, they're finding museam articels including paintings, gold pistols, ancient status, ect....in there bags as they return...Shame on the theives.

 

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can we not speculate that all the problems in iraq were caused by americans, so how is that liberation.

 

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would you rather keep Sadam in there??

 

Notes

Q25: If that's your only option, I mourn your lack of vision.

Just a note to all the war pigs: Remember that in the next period of great trouble in Iraq, people will examine history. This period of history may, by some circumstances, play out to be inconsequential to future troubles, but the odds are that the other will be derived in some appreciable way from the one. Pearl Harbor was the breaking point of bad blood extending back to the days when the US came ashore firing in Japan. 9/11 is the present culmination of a backlash against US support of crimes against humanity targeting Muslims. The Cold War was the result of dubious policies on both sides, but also American aggression toward the Bolsheviks. Think about Ayatollah Khomeni; that tyrant was the product of a backlash aimed against Western (US & UK) intervention on behalf of a tyrant (Shah Reza). And Khomeni, incidentally, is the reason Donald Rumsfeld worked so hard to give material support to the Saddam Hussein Ba'ath regime in Iraq at a time that it was fostering grave crimes against humanity.

I know, I know. It's silly to think that any event is anything other than an isolated occurrence in history. Why would I want to rely in any way on history when I can blindly and religiously speculate the opposite?

But those of you who think it's over, or that "we won", ought to think again. It is only your own lack of perspicacity which brings you to that conclusion.

As I noted elsewhere today: Good luck to the people of Iraq. May they do better by freedom than we Americans have.

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Tiassa

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It WAS this way or the saddam way. It was the only effective way to enact change. Diplomacy never had a chance, economic sanctions didnt work.... what else do you do but give up or use force?

 

Clockwood

I don't believe you know how to read-did you see what some of those MORONS in the U.S. military were saying? They're nothing but pieces of shit and I take great pleasure in knowing what goes around, comes around. No one really understands that concept. GOD BLESS CANADA!

 

Our tanks did.

 

THIS WAR WAS AN INVITABLE CONSEQUENCE OF NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE U.S. SADAAM WAS AN EVIL DICTATOR WHO KILLED HIS OWN PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ ARE LIBERATED. PEACE CAN NOW SETTLE ABOUT THE LAND. SHUT UP YOU LIBERALS WHO THINK THAT YOU GOT IT ALLLLLLL DOWN. NEVER WILL YOU FORCE ANOTHER IRAQI INTO ONE OF SADDAM'S PEOPLE-GRINDERS

 

My question was directed at Coldrake, but thanks for your very feeble answer anyway.

Here's a hint. If you have a question for me then direct it to me.

Who gave America the goddam right to invade Iraq?

17 resolutions and 12 years.

 

When you see somebody being mugged in the street who gives you the right to kick the mugger's behind? The same applies with us.

When there are no police the act of lawenforcement falls on every citizen. The same applies on the international level. It falls on America because we are here.

 

Don't take God's name in vain.

 

Why not? Everybody else does. Im sure god wont let a little thing like that get to him.

 

Good job dodging the question to what other way besides military action would remove saddam?

 

BrainWithAGun

oh no not another fundamentalist

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Well I'm sorry I dont revel in your liberal/Satanistic rituals. Sorry for wasting your time... I'm sure there is a baby goat sacrifice somewhere that you must attend to....

 

So logicaly, if people are not fundamentalists they must be satanists(aka Liberals).

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yes.
By the way, the term is liberals/satanists.
They both go hand-in-hand. and as I said, they all do, in fact, sacrifice baby goats.

 

Clockwood: I never figured out what's so hard for other people to figure out ....

Well, you know ... we heard a lot from the Bush administration about words like "liberation", "freedom", "democracy" (by loose acknowledgment), and other concepts which were never the focus of the "diplomacy" which dominated the last twelve years.

So what you do seems really simple. You get the major players together, and, under the guise of the UN, try enacting some diplomatic resolutions that focus on the things we now hold so dear: liberating the Iraqi people, raising their condition of living, ensuring "democracy". Now, that's the simple part.

The more complex part, of course, is the detail. Like I've said before, I'll get back to you in fifteen years when I have a degree in international affairs and some time to specialize. Of course, it will be irrelevant then, but everybody needs to be an expert in everything nowadays. I generally reserve my bitching about computers, for instance, to consumer-level issues. Why? I don't really want to become one of the many vacuous tech-minded people I see around Seattle whose work sucks them into this strange dimension that I don't understand. You know, the kind of guy who doesn't like talking shop outside of work but just can't stop. The kind of guy who sees only what he's doing and not why. Likewise I could ensure my health by getting a medical degree and spending my life in a basement research lab. In the meantime, the nation's best and brightest are making sure I can view porn via Windows and achieve orgasm fifteen minutes after I'm dead.

I expect my leaders to be sufficiently educated to understand such ideas. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, but it's become too costly an idea for my neighbors; there's not much I can do about that but keep hammering against these lethally silly ideas raping Americans' intellects. I've never seen my country so frightened, and frankly that frightens me. We showed better mettle when facing the idea of nuclear brinkmanship. And who's leading the parade into fear but our very national leaders?

And that's why I say the idea seems simple: focus diplomacy on the goals we've claimed to seek through warfare. Woo-hoo. So we obsessed over a Frankenstein the US created in its anti-communist paranoia? So we bombed the shit out of Iraq for doing something that we'd said was fine by us? And then we called the next twelve years of fearing Saddam Hussein and lashing out with bombs peace? We call it diplomacy? If American leaders would simply take the thousand beams of blinding light out of their own eyes, perhaps they could focus, in the future, on the actual noble goals we haul out whenever we want to blow something up?

You realize, don't you, that freedom and human dignity mean nothing in the US compared to the almighty dollar? We only bother with such noble ideas when we think we can profit by doing so.

The peaceful solution would have been to work toward a peaceful solution, instead of maintaining an low-grade war in the guise of a cease-fire.

And that just doesn't seem that hard to figure out. I generally wonder what the problem is. Seems to me people just like blowing shit up and killing people. It makes for better news ratings than grueling negotiations.

(Oh, and the other really bonehead-simple idea is that I can't figure out why, after openly calling for a revolt against Saddam Hussein, the United States didn't simply do what it is well-established to be very good at: Why not support the coup you asked for, Poppy? Why did you hang them out to dry while Stormin' Norman handed the Iraqis the ability and the right to slaughter thousands?)

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Tiassa

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Well, if the you guys dont like the way the US does things give us a role modle. Some saintly knight in shining armor to whom we can look up to.

Sadly no matter how you look at it just about every country in the world has at least as many problems as we do. America is playing the game as well and as fairly as it knows how. Most countries cant sat the same.