More Lies exposed

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Psycho-Cannon, Apr 22, 2003.

  1. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    The tank that fired on a Hotel packed full of "Un-embedded" journalists killing 2 and wounding several others including several from Reuters that at first were claimed to of shot in respose to RPG and Sniper Fire has had the truth come out.

    The tank crew have given their statments publicly and it now appears that the tank crew opened fire on the hotel only because they saw someone (They think) on the roof with binoculars.


    The commander of a U.S. tank unit that fired on a Baghdad hotel, killing two cameramen during the battle for the Iraqi capital on April 8, said in an interview with a French magazine that he had not been aware the building was packed with foreign journalists.

    Capt. Philip Wolford told Nouvel Observateur he authorized the attack on the Palestine Hotel after his men spotted what appeared to be someone using binoculars on the roof. "I feel bad, my men feel bad," he said.


    To claim they didn't know this was the hotel used by Journalists is ridiculous and at the very least would go to show the trigger happy and irrisponsable nature of many of the US Troops that are causing so much concern.

    This, just like the Russian diplomats route, was well documented and all relevant parties were well aware of who and what that hotle was used for and any even coursoury check which should be normal before opening fire with a tank on a building for something as simple as "Thinking they saw someone with a pair of binoculars" would of revelaed this was a Press hotel and explained not only the Binoculars but the Cameras as well.
     
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  3. shadows technocrat:Teach me Registered Senior Member

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    true true. Our troops are triger happy. They just won a war in a month without hardly firing a shot. It is just boredom. It is the fault of the media for getting in the way.
     
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  5. ben nevis Registered Senior Member

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    In the same situation, we would all fire and the regret would come later.
     
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  7. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Speak for yourself.
     
  8. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    Somebody aims a sholder mounted object at you, you have already been attacked multiple times by a shoulder mounted weapon.
     
  9. shadowpuppet Registered Senior Member

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    oh of course

    oh they were BORED.....
    that makes all the sense in the world!
    i'll just shoot the place up cuz im bored and the military gave me a really big gun!
    ah well, accidents happen
     
  10. ben nevis Registered Senior Member

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    And they would say at your funeral Hypewaders, "Good person, poor soldier".
     
  11. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    The hotel was not well documented with ground troops. The list of buildings to avoid was documented with those operating the air campaign, but not with the ground forces. And it now seems that the Iraqis changed the route of the convoy at the last minute, whether it was to create an incident or for security reasons is not known. And since the Americans were not expecting a convoy in the area they were found, being guided by what were apparently were Iraqi special forces, it is little wonder Americans opened fire. And they fired on the Iraqis, who returned fire, with the Russians being hit in the exchange.
     
  12. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    How big are you binoculars Salty ?
    Maybe you just got small shoulders.
    What happens to an A1 when it gets hit by an RPG? Does it explode and kill the crew?
    You must have lost plenty of A1's. Best get GW to build some more.
    You can't shoot people just because they look at you.

    You looking at me? YOU LOOKING AT ME?
    Dee Cee
     
  13. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    If the RPG is an HEAT round then it can penatrate the armor. Especially the rear of a tank.

    All im saying is a larger one of these:

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    Can be mistaken as one of these while you are being shot at and from far away.

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    Accidents happen in War. Its nothing new.
     
  14. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    We need one of the latter, that looks just like the former, for use at the next State of the Soyuz Address. Because accidents can happen, perhaps they need to start happening more often, and more personally, to irresponsible leaders who are making us all more accident-prone. Smile at the birdie!
     
  15. SG-N Registered Senior Member

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    That's a US army particularity : "if you have a doubt, shoot !" ("shoot, shoot again, then ask questions...")
     
  16. VAKEMP Registered Senior Member

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    So, do some of you think that the soldiers intentionally shot at the journalists, kowing full well who they were? :bugeye:
     
  17. SG-N Registered Senior Member

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    I don't think so.
     
  18. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    Damn right. This was not a police action, it was a war. And the army had found that most of the Iraqis were fighting in civvies istead of unis. Having to stop and check back with command on whether you can shoot or not will usually get you very dead.
     
  19. SG-N Registered Senior Member

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    Of course...

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    But US chose to be there and to fight ! Civilians did not, and journalists never take part in fights.
     
  20. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    Journalists know the risks when they put themselves in harm's way.
     
  21. SG-N Registered Senior Member

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    I saw a military on TV a few days ago. He said that during 1st Iraqi war he saw a jeep coming in front of them (him and his guys). It was US soldiers... They came to french side because their radio was broken : "If we would have get back in our own part, they would have kill us as we would not have answered".
    No commentaries...
     
  22. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    Thats the point though at the time they were not in what should of been harms way.

    The hotel was on the other side of...whatever the hell that river is called and all the intellegence of the parties involved were well informed that this was a Journalists Hotel and had been from almost the start of the war if not before.

    Whilst i agree that the soldier on the field is given priority to choose his targets in this case where he "thought" he saw someone with something as simple as a pair of binoculars at a distance in a civilian building, you do NOT just go and open fire.
    This is standard practice to fire if you are being shot at but in cases like this they would always check back in the 5 seconds it will take to annoucne a target to HQ and get confirmation to open fire.
    As soon as they heard it was this hotel on the wrong side of the river, outside what was considered the battle zone, all the jouranlists hotels and civillian quaters were there, they would of been told to stand the hell down.
    The other thing that makes it seem like an itchy trigger finger or as some people say deliberate is that the tank did stop, turn to point its gun at the Hotel and sat there long enough for a Reuters journalist to make the comments on Camera, whats that tank doing, why is he pointing at us, he's American, they know we are here why is he pointing at us.
    At this point the tank fires one single shot into the Hotel.
    He had more than enough time to confirm the target and get a good look himself that there was no threat and if he had of been under fire he would of leveled the place, 2 and 2 just dont add up in this case someone fucked up badly or there was something darker going on.
    Which it was is upto you to decide but given this hotel only had non-embedded journalists, they days before they had bombed both Al-Jazeera and other Civillian news headquaters, a lot of people namely the press are very angry and very suspicious.
     
  23. VAKEMP Registered Senior Member

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    They felt threatened, so they fired. It is human behavior to try and protect yourself...at least here in the US.
     

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