America the Superpower

As America has rissen in political and economic standings throughout the world community, we must wonder, should we head the words of our first president to not get involved with foreign affairs? i agree with the war on the evil Iraqi govt, i agree with all of president Bush's policies thus far, and despite unforseeable problems (9/11), the economic crash that insued, and countries harboring those terrorists, he has done well. my only question is that it seems that no one wants us to be mixing with the affairs of other nations, but what if we left hitler or any other dictator in power, would the world be teh same as today? would freedom mspread as far as it had? and should americca be allowed to be ver-run with with immigrants? we are getting complaints from immagrants and losing jobs, i htikn that we should rebuild a fence to keep them out, and let only the usuall amount in, since now there are more illegals than ever. if people think america is such a bitch, why do they come here? i think that if you have a problem with the way that America has been being run, dont come here, stay away, and keep your negative thoughts to yourself. any opinions?

 

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let me tell you just one thing
even before the war with the Iraq, even before 9/11 (which is an elephant made from a fly) I didn't even consider moving to the USA, even if life here in economical prosperity is much much worse.
Russia, China and the USA are among the countries that I would avoid at all costs

last I heard you had an immensly large international debt and your economics didn't do so good. (I like ridh USA better though, it's more stable and safe then)

oh pleeeeeeeeeease evil :sneers:
let me tell you this basic axiom: "In politics there are no friends, just interests" In politics there is also no good or evil, just sides that have different interests

do you consider yourself intelligent? What about the Kyoto protocol?

because other countries have their own rights
how would you like if Russia would reform your education system?
wouldn't be too good, eh?
and besides- ever heard of the UN? THe countries of the UN have agreed of the basic human AND country rights

the USA ventured into WW2 just because of Pearl harbour
must give a credit to you for helping England economically though
as for the military help- nonsense
Russia lost 25 million people in WW2?
how much did it cost the states?

of course you should, it's your country
that's exactly why other countries don't like the states- they wish to dictate the rules
Your country- do what you want with it.

must be the ones from banana countries
I don't think that any European would want to imigrate to your country
African countries are not bitching over the US

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you ask a few interesting questions there. i believe when mr bush did take over he a similar view to you that america should mainly look after it's own, but we all know this has changed.
like the main problem america has, is like is said many times before it is the only super power, and you can do whatever you want. this may sound good, but history has shown us that the world is not that easy. you cannot do things half hearted, you either go all the way with your plans or you might as well forget about them. america has this problem, even though they are just as evil as any other empire, they want to be seen as being moral etc...
the question about hitler is misleading because you understand hitler from the books and lessons you are taught everyday. i am not sure how anyone feels about hitler, but america has analysed what the german theories where for the world and whether you like to believe them or not, youre country will ultimately do the same things.
people are always talking about freedoms, but i don't think any society can be free like the vision that america was built on. how would freedom actually work. the freedom image that america gave to the world is naive at best, and downright stupid.
i am one person that believes that if hitler had won the war, the world might not have been perfect, but it would have been better than the rubbish crap we live in. sometimes i wonder why so many people were killed in world war 2 just for the world to end up like this. the image of freedom that those people fought for in the second world war was naive like i said.
so like i said america have analysed what germany were going to do, and they will implement alot of it. you might not understand now, but these projects will be done under different names and they will try to con you into believing in the free world that they are always putting out in the media.
for those who say bollocks to hitler and germanies plan - here you go

america's now is in a postion to implement plans that were similar to hitlers

 

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As are many other countries, that doesn't mean we'd do it

 

america is the only country that can change the whole of the human race to what they want, no other country can force changes on the masses of the earth.
do you not think that with this power that as always, it is abbused. do you not think that america has big plans

 

There is a big difference between abusing your power, and genocide.

 

You want to see England.
The government have got no money to build hospitals and schools but they're a soft touch on asylum seekers.
Fair enough there are some genuwine seekers but those aren't the one's I'm talking about at the moment.
The only reason I didn't want the war was because my own country needs sorting out and Tony Blair should have left america to it.
But what's funny is that America and others scold other countries who's Ideology is different to theirs.
How else could Iraq defend themselves from the USA. Chemical Weapons!
How can America defend themselve from a nuke? The space laser thingy which the need for is being talked about

Don't get me wrong I support the need for a war, to improve way of life for the Iraqi people freeing them from Saddam's regime but there are thoughts spinning around that I'd like to argue either sides.

 

If Russia had the money, we'd all be shit scared. They're massive

 

i wonder what will happen then, then america could push russia and china around.

do you not think that america are not capable of genocide?

 

AVATAR!!

hey bro, now just so that you know, how did we get the national debt? by not only supporting and helping other countries to prosper, but by also fighting for our own freedom. would you want hitler knocking on our doorstep? i wouldnt, thats why we supported the allies in ww2, and we entered the war after pearl harbor, which was just what showed us how the world wanted to expand and conquer, we did not take over germany, france, or italy, we occupy them, not own them.

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doesnt the UN allow any nation to protect itself when its national security is threatened? i believe so. we were threatened by Iraq producing wmd, and then while you might say we have not found any yet, what was he doing to the kurdish people? what was he doing to shiites? oh, thats right, suppressing their religious and political freedoms, as well as social freedoms, and then gassing them, is this wrong? should we allow world leaders to do this to their own people?
while you say what if we had the russians trying to reform our education, well i have to ask you this... why do you think that we get involved in these wars? it is becuase we are trying to spread freedom and allow people to live good lives where they cannot be just killed when they do not share an interest. when the statue of saddam was torn down in baghdad, how did the people react? they tore off the head and rode it through the streets, which doesnt seem like they really wanted to be dictated anymore.

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what is with your disgust for american society? it is the same with egypt, the second largest recipient of american financial aid, protesting us, protesting america and burning flags, and the socialists at my school, they say that we are killing civilians in third world countries, what do we have to gain from killing them????? i think that you need to get your facts straight.


one more thing, 25 million russians died in ww2, but they only had 1 gun for every 2-3 people, and their economy blew at the time, but it was pride in their country, and a fear of thier leader that made them fight. also, didnt russia kill their own troops when they retreated???? i dont think you are intelligent, so please, rethink what you said, and then i will talk with you. you cannot make pointless accusations at the states for doing what is in the best interest of its people, and the people that we decided to take care of as a superpower, because with great power is given great... you finish this i know you know the end of the qoute.

 

that's your problem

and by so securing your interests in those particular countries

Saddam is a criminal and deserves death, but how exactly did he threaten your country?

He did- through years late 1941 to early 1945 Latvia was occupied by the NAZI Germany, later USSR.

I didn't even say that.

you didn't prove that your security was threatened and that's why you didn't get e permission from the UN.
Where are the biochemical weapons, btw?

believe means absolutely nothing!
besides, you sold those weapons to Sadam youselves, he used it against his political enemies which were the enemies of the USA at that time. And Saddams rockets had a radius of just 141 km. I believe the USA to be further than that from Iraq.

let me turn this around. should we allow the USA interfere in our interior matters? If what you said about the USA was true you wouldn't have stopped during the gulf war, you later just watched the shiites being slaughtered after given promises by the USA to help them.
No country never ever does something because of ethics, ethics can not be a part of politics.
You should have left that part to the UN.
Of course I understand that the UN must be reformed in order to react more effectivly.

don't make me laugh- as I said- politics never includes ethics. It's the basic definition told to any politics student.
USA was protecting its interests in the particular countries. Fall of a despotic regime is just a side effect. Why in that case the USA doesn't war with Pakistan?

they were just 150 people out of what - 6 000 000 (?) people of Bagdad

your "cultural" values make me gag

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as Stalin has said: "No people - no problems"

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wow, you think! Do you think so because my oppinion is not the same as yours?

if you want me to change my oppinion you'll have a better chance with a gun pointed at my head

no , I can not, but I'm also a political entity and the USA interests not always are the same as mine

yes, yes, good care
especially the anarchy in Iraq atm ;-)

I'll finish it differently
great power requires even greater skill to use it properly

 

hey you lot did not join ww2 because of any issues other than pearl harbour. you were willing to see hitler take over europe. it was as you say, after pearl harbour you enetered, when it was to do with your national security. without pearl harbour, america would not of entered the war

 

exactly
and that is told in all history books and lectures also
my personal oppinion also

 

Didn't britain have to pay america loads of money to help us out so our Brittish soldiers could rest.
That is the national debt and we're still paying it.
If America was not going to sit back and watch why did we have to pay them.

 

yep britain paid enormous amount of dosh and other things to america. i am not sure for sure, but the americans got a tremendous of britain for there serives, but hey britain probably thing, maybe there freedom was worth it.
remember i am not totaly sure on this but all i know is britain was very wealthy before ww2, and after who knows. maybe here knows or found some info on the web.

 

hey yall, ill tell you what, you say that america was wrong for coming in after its security was comprimised? ill tell you what, while you think that, we decided to hold a policy to keep to ourselves in order to revive our economy, and as the war progressed, we learned that mexico was going to attack us, we were on the brink, pearl harbor was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
do you support hitler? if america didnt get involved, where would france be? where would your countries be? think about it. as we run to help countries, there is always something to gain, we wouldnt just throw our military into danger without something that will help the country, but look at what happened to noriega? what happend to mussolini? look at these people, their countries are free and prospering now that they are out from under the rule of dictatorships and death.

we should have followed through after the gulf war... but we went to liberate kuwait, which was invaded by iraq, only for iraq to kill the civilians and take over industry... sound familiar? hitler. but then you might say that USA is doin the same, but no, tell me one instance of industry that we have taken over in iraq? nothing, we are gaining rights and political favoritism, but that goes with any country that you feel you owe. we are going to be taking on part of the Iraqi national debt to help the citizens. also, we are putting the iraqi criminals in jail, working with the police, and we are quelling the riots. for the first time in 25 years the shiites have been able to celebrate a sacred holiday that saddam wouldnt let them celebrate. and the 150 people you claim out of 6 000 000, well, the others were either out of the city, or scared that the secret police might see them on tv, that is a report that i have heard. you just disagree and i think that you are pulling things out of your butt since you dont like americans. i have no disgust towards any other country, i feel that you should be more open minded and listen to others' opinions.

 

has nothing to do with my oppinion towards the US, just a general analysis
besides, you didn't answer several of my questions, though I answered to yours

 

you asked no questions, you criticized mine, please restate them and i will be happy to answer them, keep in mind though, i am only trying to gain knowledge of the subject, i do feel an obligation to defend my nation though.

 

bad you do not recognize criticizm from a normal exchange of oppinions, i.e., discussion

look in above post to understand, I don't want ot repost all
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1. Why in that case the USA doesn't war with Pakistan?
2. Do you think so because my oppinion is not the same as yours?