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Discussion in 'World Events' started by Salty, Apr 20, 2003.

  1. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    Would the exodus of 1948 have happened if the Palestinians had weapons?

    I don't think so. If the Israelies attack a village and the average Palestinian had some kind of rifle I don't think they would get that far and would abandon the whole thing.

    Would the extremist of both sides of the conflict stop peaceful process if the moderates could defend themselves?

    I don't think we would see rooms of slaughter Palestinians if they had guns. I don't think Palestinians would ever blow up a night club full of inocent Israelies if they had weapons to kill the ones trying to kill them.

    Would Israel be able to occupy Palestinian cities?

    I dont think so a sniper can hide anywher ein a city. I think an agressor would know to stay clear of city full of people that don't like them if they are armed.

    So all in all would the violence be greater or larger if civilians were armed??
     
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  3. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Look through the history books, Salty. You're wrong on so many levels.

    1) Israel did not 'slaughter' civilians. Many fought, and many had fled willingly. People were allowed to stay in their villages if they surrendered peacefully. And there were many that did. Those that put up arms would be treated exactly like opposing soldiers, and trust me, you treat them the same way they'd treat you.

    2) This wasn't a war that Israeli's initiated for the sake of killing people and stealing land (which you make it sound a lot like). Israel had faced extreme pressure leading up to '48, and was, shall we say- 'forced' into conflict. They never wanted a physical match.

    3) Are we assuming, again that zionists are evil land-takers,- with weaponry,- while the Palestinians are innocent lambs? That is so00 wrong. Both sides had their atrocities and this shouldn't be a debate of who is evil and who is good.

    I really don't want to get into another flaming match. But this sounds like a thread that will have a lot of heat and whinning. I will see...
     
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  5. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    "fled willingly"
    How can you expect to write such nonsense with impunity? Consider yourself flamed:bugeye:
     
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  7. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Alright, I set myself up for that...


    The 'implied' meaning was in conjunction with Salty's claim that they were all driven from the towns. As in, 'fled'.
     
  8. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Should I remind you of Lebanon ?
    I am sorry but surrendering peacefully is an option ? How about if I come in to your home tomorrow and you surrender peacefully and maybe Ill let you stay .


    You colonize a land and you do not expect physical combat ?
    And perhaps you didnt know , but there was no Israel to be leading up to 1948 , since Israel was created 1948 .

    U propose not to question morality when people are forced to leave their homes ? When people are massmurdered one by one when they fight with rocks against tanks ? It is only since recent that the suicide bombings are the trend , and it is a trend unstoppable , and now all of a sudden when people fight back , both sides had their atrocities ? I suppose the same can be said for the Maya , the Olmec , the Aztek against the Spaniards as well ? Guns against rocks , thats the deal isnt it ?

    Are you saying they were not ? Do you actually deny the Palestinian diaspora started in 1948 ? Then I deny the holocaust just as easily , ow wait.......there's more to that than a "denial" .
     
  9. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    This is so fuggin wierd who im agreeing with

    Israel even admits to using terror tactics to remove Palestinians. Its even documented.

    Im not talking about wether or not the 48 war was Israels fault. Arab Nations didn't give a shit about the Palestinians if they did they wouldn't have kept them as refugees. Im talking about how the Israelies treated the Palestinians.

    I know both sides havent handled this that well. But you have to admit if you lived in a place for 1,000 years and some European Empire (note not the USA) desides to ingnore thier promise that you have a Arab state. Then give the land to some people that have been the minority a homeland wouldnt you be weee bit upset?

    I feel that if the common Palestinian had arms the atrocites on both sides would have been small to non-existant. Thats what this post is about do you disagree or agree?
     
  10. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Israel was attacked first and it counterattacked. It pushed back the arab agressors until israel held a tad more land than it began with. It would have stayed within the bounds set by britain had nobody attack them.

    When you attack somebody you must allways recognize there is a chance you will come away with less than you came in with.
     
  11. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    Thats exactly what happened. Attack one town and the ones around it depopulate over night.

    This is pretty much agreed on by most historians. But my question is would this had happened if the Palestinians weren't unarmed?
     
  12. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    I think the Zionists knew up front what was going to happen.

    Famous quotes on Zionism

     
  13. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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    Allah mathamatics said:
    Should I remind you of Lebanon ?
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    Should I remind "you" of Lebanon ?
    Syria occupies Lebanon, no Arab mentions this when talking of Israels so-called "occupation".

    Israel has rights to all of Israel including the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
    Arabs lost any rights when they broke U.N. treaties and attacked Israel.
    Israel won..........they could have destroyed all the Arab nations together at the same time, and still could.

    But power without character is Satanic.
    Israel has shown character to handle the power God has given them.
    This is more valuble than Gold.

    She is a great nation and has exhibted restraint in the use of force.
    The Arab people has not as yet shown they could handle such power, and the United States is commited as a servant of God to keep them from getting it until they have displayed this charcater.

    The bible says they are wild-men, an unruly people.
    The very word "arab" means...."to ambush".
     
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  15. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    How are there more then 6 posts and not one answers my question? All it is "OMG LOOK OVER HERE!" This goes no where so please don't post if you can't some how attach it to the subject.

    Just because one group does something wrong that means everybody has to have no rights?

    No they couldnt the US would have bombed the be jesus out of them. Exspecially since Israel was gettin soviet support.

    Whos god your god, my god, palestinians god? Each religion promised them that land so God + another God cancles each other out.

    Only because the USA makes them.

    Now please if the common Palestinians were armed would there be an increase in violence or lessen violence?
     
  16. Truenemo1889 Registered Senior Member

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    I dont understand some of you people, this world can be so cruel.
    Lets hope and pray for peace.
     
  17. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    Truenemo:

    I want a little peace as well. (what little is possible) Its just Im willing to take a little shortcut to get there.

    I just dont think a day of peace is worth a day of oppression. (Personally I dont think peace is something you can pray over because for a diety to create it would entail violating free will)
     
  18. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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    Just because one group does something wrong that means everybody has to have no rights?
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    One group..?........All the Arab nations together attacked Israel, not "one group"






    No they couldnt the US would have bombed the be jesus out of them. Especially since Israel was gettin soviet support.
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    Wrong, America is Israel's ally.....They would have intervened if Israel was losing, but that never happened because.....

    God fights for them.
    Let's just look at the records.
    A Dozen nations against One. They won.
    300 planes shot down by Israel, with no loses but one mechanical failure.....
    The list could go on and on....

    Sounds just like when they fought in Joshua's time.
    Israel is back..
    It was foretold, and so shall it be....
     
  19. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    Not ever arab attacked Israel. In your case if one Israel kills a palestinian then all Israels are murderers.

    Not during the 1948 war. We deffinetly werent their allies. the US was very anti-semtic. We also didn't want a socialist soviet sponsored state taking control of the middle east. We would have intervened and blown thier tanks into the dirt. Rember what we did to Israel during the Suez Cannal crisis? We basically said gtfo or you gonna get bombed.

    How about in the 70s when they almost lost they took incredible amount of loses?

    NOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION THAT HASNT BEN ANSWER BY ANYBODY!
     
  20. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    First of all , both Lebanon and Syria are part of Arabia , and however the relations are between one people , is not the concern of the Euro's nor the Amerikans .

    And Israel is not just "occupation" , its colonization . And into the sea will the colonizers be driven , perhaps Ha-Shem can open it again as he did for the Hebrews , the true people of Israel .

    First of all , we're approaching matters unconventionally nowadays , Israel is one big fucking nightmare for each of its 6 million Inhabitants , I dont consider that a situation one would wish to find itself in , totally terrorized the fuck out of its mind .

    Rights ? Israel has no rights not even for Tel Aviv , lets not start speaking of Gaza West Bank or Golan , a bunch of invading billionaire NAZI'S I do not consider having ANY rights . They can have the right to be terrorized 24/7 if they wish .

    Satanic is only your imagination of life . The power of God ? Of witch God , of Yhweh , of Ha-Shem , of Jesus Christ ?

    She is a he , Jacob is Ysrael . And indeed u are right , the Arab peoples have not shown , but the Palestinian people proved to be barve people who after 55 years of occupation still are striking back and with more determination than ever .

    Quote verses please , or shut up .
    And where did u get the idea Arab=Ambush ?
    It is ridiciouless , you obviously have no understanding of either latin (Arabus) , nor the semitic languages (Yarab) , hey....even the bible for that matter .

    There are no Arab nations , there is just one Arab people , perhaps you might divide into north and south , shiaa or sunni , but do not start with that "Arab Nations" bullshit since we all know Syria , Lebanon etc are no real fucking nations . And the most interesting thing , is that it would be the Arab Union Israel would be fighting with (Egypt-Syria-Iraq) , instead of these "nations" u speak of , ofcourse Israel made sure such a unity wasnt gonna happen , and now even is making sure there cant even be one strong Arabic state . I do find it remarkable though how such a people's unconventional movement like Hizbollah beated Israels ass , and is ready to do it anytime again .

    So G-d is a bit confused huh ? I mean , surely in Yshua's time he helped the Hebrews , but now he's confusing them with some Slavic-Germano-Turks ?

    Im just happy MoonGod Allah beated Ha-Shems ass when he sended Nebuchadnizzar to Jerusalem to destroy's Salomons temple some 300 years before Yshua arrived .

    How long do u think it will take till the 200 m man prophecy gets fulfilled ? I say within 10-15 years , or dont u believe your own scriptures ?

    Have a nice day
     
  21. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    And for the original question , ofcourse it would have made a difference if the Arabs were armed in 48 , but hey they were under Brittish occupation . Ofcourse arms never could have been allowed by the colonists .
     
  22. Salty Registered Senior Member

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    I know colonies didnt get weapons. That was one of ghandi's complaints.
     
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  23. heflores Banned Banned

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    October 6, 1973, Israel lost and retreated later totally from occupied Sinai/Egypt. Did god fight with the Egyptians that day? It must have been so, because the defeat of the Israelis was horrible.

    They also had their butt wipped in Lebanon. They currently occupy misely tiny area that they called Israel. Their real plans go from Euphrates river to the Nile river....but they're unsuccessfull.
     

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