Baghdad Didn't Fall - It Was Handed Over

Discussion in 'World Events' started by jps, Apr 18, 2003.

  1. jps Valued Senior Member

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    I can't be too sure about the validity of this article as I'm unfamiliar with the source(www.iraqwar.ru), but its very intriguing nonetheless...
    The fact that Basra was so much more difficult to for the invading forces to take than Baghdad which was more heavily fortified, regardless of whether or not this article is valid, seems highly suspicious to me.

    http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/04/17/0765852
     
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  3. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Well , there are some very good points that conclude safqa .

    valid point

    This only proves there wasnt a fight .

    Very good point
    The thing i alwasy wondered was , why no serious weapons were used , it was no secret Iraq had chemical and biological shit .

    I dont know how much vanished , but its not just the Baath top...many high bureaucrats are needed especially in a socialist system , no way they are all between the people right now , hated as they were .

    So these are the options :
    1)fled
    2)deal

    I assumed they fled , and that most of them are in Syria or Lebanon , but this deal is wonderfully possible .

    I dont think that the nature of this artcile is verty relevant , as far as i know it doesnt state any relevant incorrect facts....and thats what counts right ?
     
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  5. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Let's just hope we will run the neoconservative cabal out of Washington as easily.
     
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  7. Stokes Pennwalt Nuke them from orbit. Registered Senior Member

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    Iraqwar.ru is crap. Remember the assessment of American tank casualties during the taking of Baghdad? Yeah, those were photos from the first Gulf War, and seven photos of only two disabled tanks.

    These guys are Russian jingoists, bitter because they lost the Cold War. Nothing more.
     
  8. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    crap that could actually be true.

    The Russians have a hard time explaining why they fucked up in Afghanistan and paid an enermous price in Cheznia, while the Americans compared to this relatively easily (not entirely but still) marched in and installed new coca cola machines...

    But it is also true that the yankee dollar is one of the powerfull weapons in existence, so while iraqwar.ru is crapladen, It can not be ruled out....
     
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  9. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe not. Why are we to assume that the US Dollar must always reign, especially while American popularity in general is in decline around the world?

    Arab News: "The countdown for the dollar reflects a worldwide conviction that the American economy in truth lacks perfection while its presumed revival is undermined by an administration busying itself with wars on all fronts and fighting financial terrorism in reaction to any event it perceives as a threat to the country."
     
  10. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    With the Dollar and American economy as it is, America can be toppled without a shot being fired...well kinda i'm sure the current administration would go down firing everything they have, by the Oil producing countries and indeed many others switiching to using the Euro as the basis for all financial transactions internationally.
    Given that America at the moment survives on borrowed money only due to the fact that the $ is supreme is its weakest point at the moment.
    If that went out the window America would be bankrupt and god knows how you would handle that or any country for that matter.
     
  11. Stokes Pennwalt Nuke them from orbit. Registered Senior Member

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    Iraqwar.ru is crap:

    I did some poking around and found my favorite excerpts from that rancid site. I snatched these from a particularly ridiculous headline entitled "Situation Analysis, or New Format of Ramzaj". Ramzaj was the supposed author of the false situation reports that made the site famous; this was also the codename of Richard Sorge, Soviet spy in Germany, who sent them accurate reports about the start or operation Barbarossa, was captured and killed by the Germans, and received a posthumous Hero of the Soviet Union. Anyway, onto the most interesting quotes:

    1. A sarcastic quip about "journalists dying" on the same day that an American tank shell was falsely credited for their death. Anti-American bias numero uno.

    2. A blatant lie to discredit the reaction coalition troops received upon entering Baghdad. We all know this is false now, of course, but at the time it was the only sketch these idiots could fabricate to make them feel better. The fact that the United States was doing something right did not sit well with them and they scrambled to discredit the coalition successes at every turn.

    3. Normally I would type up a rather large diatribe in retort to this hilarity, but after the fact its overpowering stench of bullshit is self evident, and only serves to illuminate the idiocy of it. I wonder what happened to these "battle ready divisions".

    4. Ah, their "sources", in lieu of this Ramzaj twit, must be anecdotal evidence from disgruntled field sources. They wholly discount any media reporting as false, progpaganda, what have you. They then go on to admit that all they want is some anti-American data to make the US eat their crow.

    Their reporting throughout the fighting did not involve bald faced lying, but it was very overly optimistic. About a step below the Iraqi Info Minister. They did not have operatives all over Iraq. They simply rehashed previously reported data in western media with their own horrendously transmogrified statistics. They predicted the US would bog down near Basra and Umm Qasr. When we moved on, they promised thousands of US deaths at the Baghdad walls, stopped by impenetrable Republican Guards. Wait, they were already in Baghdad - eeh they'll all die in street to street fighitng! And so on. They jerked off to every coalition casualty and simply lied when the coalition made a breakthrough. They claimed that their sources were Russians that had cracked the US communications nets. Uh, no. American military communications are the most secure in the world. No American military communications system has been broken. Ever.

    Footage on television:
    Military captures central Baghdad
    Syria and Iran: Hussein in Russian Embassy
    Iraqwar.ru: ALLIES RETREAT TO SEA, PUSHED BACK BY REPUBLICAN GUARD OFFENSIVE - ALL ARMOR LOST AS GUTS AND BONES OF RUN-DOWN CIVILIANS CAUSE TANKS AND BRADLEYS TO BECOME NON-OPERATIONAL. ALLAHU ACKBAR. LONG LIVE COMRADE LENIN.
     
  12. esd Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps it was a part of the plan:
    1. Americans attack with their superior forces
    2. Baath party and the Republican Guard simply vanish with little resistance
    3. Americans are told that "victory" has been achieved and war is over
    4. American military deployment is significantly reduced
    5. Iraqi population gets fed up with american presence and the new pro-american administration
    6. Baath party returns as a popular resistance movement, gains support
    7. Widespread, unconventional guerilla warfare against american presence (not just military)
    8. American cannot just send additional troops to deal with the threat because war is officialy "over"
    9. A half-assed, unpopular, anti-guerilla warfare that cannot be easily reinforced (very much like Vietnam)
     

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