Uto-Aztecan languages related to Hebrew?

Seems there is a move by mormon researchers to link the Uto-Aztecan speaking peoples, to the lost peoples mentioned in the Book of Mormon. Mormon linguistic specialists are trying to link these peoples via similarities in several words & endings. Funny thing is that the Uto-Aztecan speaking people, comprise some very un-Jewish traditional people. Like the Aztec (Mexica), who sacrificed to several gods in a very un-Jewish way, chief among them Huitzilopochtli (via open heart surgery). Just a note of clarification, the peoples that speak Uto-Aztecan are called Shoshonean & comprise; Utes, Paiutes, Shoshone, Comanche, Toltecs, & Aztecs among others.
Mormon sites:
http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?a=jbms/5_1_1996_01.inc&x=2
http://www.jefflindsay.com/bme8.shtml

language sites:
http://www.concentric.net/~yoman1/home/utoaztec.html
http://www.mrs.umn.edu/academic/history/Nahuatl/gateway.html

Aztec history sites:
http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CIVAMRCA/AZTECS.HTM
http://www.azteca.net/aztec/aztlan.html

Check for yourself if this is true.
Any comments?

 

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Man ...Randolfo , you're really sticking it to these Mormon fabricators . What's up with that ?

Years ago , when I was in Arizona they could be very persistent ( much like the J.W.'s ) knocking on doors and try to preach the BOM . But for me , they are just another group of people claiming that their beliefs are correct . Self-deception and group inspired delusions can be powerfull factors in a persons belief system.

Your efforts may indeed have the effect of forcing some to at least re-evualuate some of the more ridiculous tenets .

 

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As a Mexican, I think they are trying to steal my ancestors' legacy & my heritage & give it to a fictitious people, much like those that believe that Mayas, Toltecs & Aztecs were really influenced by Africans, Egyptians, Phoenicians, Atlanteans & even space aliens. I feel that they believe that, because they do not believe that an essentially stone-age people could build magnificent monuments & civilizations. So, I’m just trying to set the record straight.

Also, logically their claims don't stand up, there should be some evidence left around; genes, linguistics, oral traditions, foods, technology. Nothing there, because BoM people never existed, no matter how fervently mormons pray, they just believe in a 19th Century version of Star Trek; secret handshakes, underwear, cult-status for the founder, etc..

 

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The claims are implausible. But I wouldn't feel agressed upon. As frivolous as the claims are, they're interesting, and not intended to be ancestry-theflt.

And the words for "snake" do look alot alike. But Mdm Blavatsky pointed this out a long time ago.

The late Dr. Joseph Greenberg claimed that most or all languages were related. It's likely the Semitic languages and Indo-European languages share some distant relation. There's fragmentary evidence for the relation of both to various Amerindian language groups also.

 

Yet, there are connections out there (but different ones then the Mormones seek) ...

for example, how come that the word "catamaran" is used for "boat" in Mexico (or was it a different Latin American word ...) when this is a pure Tamil word?

 

In what Mexican language? Nahuatl? Zapotec? I hope you don't mean in Spanish, because it's "barco", look here:
http://translation2.paralink.com/

 

I can't recall where I've read this ... but since catamaran is now a widespread word it demands an explanation (as well as similatities between South Indian temples and reliefs and Mexican ones ... transatlantic cruises were going on in those days if you ask me)

 

Linguistic evidence would tend to be circumstantial. But it could be used as a basis for genetic comparison, which would be more straightforward.

 

Could be because, it's the same phenomena that has spread the word "Internet" around the world; Americans sailing catamarans, remember, they are a specialized type of boat, it's not a canoe, outrigger, raft, etc.

Ditto, my previous explanation, can you say, "Hamburgesa"?

Where are the elephants? The same gods? Remember, Mexican gods preferred open heart surgery as the mode of sacrifice, any Hindu gods like fresh beating heart?

prove it! Maybe as shipwrecks or lost voyages, but not on purpose, otherwise Columbus would not have “discovered” anything; why would Egyptians, Hindu Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Celts, Polynesians, etc. have given up any lucrative trade routes?

 

I didn't really feel like reading everything, but I think this might do.... something:
http://www.jaronbs.com/maori.htm

 

TOO funny!

 

transatlantic cruises were going on in those days if you ask me)
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"prove it! Maybe as shipwrecks or lost voyages, but not on purpose, otherwise Columbus would not have “discovered” anything; why would Egyptians, Hindu Indians, Arabs, Chinese, Celts, Polynesians, etc. have given up any lucrative trade routes?"

HUm, it appears to me that you're not very up to date. The Romans had already been in the Americas (archaeological findings of Roman swords etc. ...). As for the Egyptians: How did they acquire plants which only grow in the Americas? The German scientist (what's her name again) caused quite a disturbance there in the archaeological world with here investigation of mummies containing traces of cocaïne etc. Haven't heard anything about it afterwards - even when her findings were confirmed by other researches ... maybe somebody here knows a bit more about this?

as for the temples, I'll give you an example: the reliefs in Mexico of the Lotus flower are pictured in exactly the same abstract (and non-logical) way as the Hindu ones
I can give you more similarities (the sun disc, architectural planning of the temples are very similar to the South Indian ones, ...) but don't be mistaken: they are different civilisations so there are of course many differences, but the similarities do demand an explanation. And indeed, Columbus discovered nothing ... only if you believe in fairy tales.

 

This has never been established as fact . Speculation and wishfull thinking should not replace the truth .

http://www.gci-net.com/users/v/vrartist/leadcrosses2.html

edit : Url correction . The web page is from Jack Andrews web site . He is of the opinion that the "artifacts" are genuine , mostly because he can not explain the caliche deposits surrounding the items . The text starting on page 2 ( above ) is not written by Anderson , it is from : "Special Collections, University of Arizona Library" .

 

Abnak, I only know this from a college dealing with Roman history ... and since I know how carefull professors are with what they say, I'd thought it's pretty straightforward.

 

And,

"Speculation and wishfull thinking should not replace the truth . "

truth is rather a variable in the archaeological world ...

 

so why did they stop? what happened?

by the same publishers that put out sci-fi? or is it fantasy?

Stop reading the national enquirer

 

as for the "Roman swords found int he Americas" thing- I haven't read about that before, I don't know how accurate it is...

However, a number of Egyptian mummies have been found to have traces of N and S american plants on them;

http://www.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf111/sf111p01.htm

 

Randolfo, what is your domain exactly?
And why don't you read my last posts ... no need to repeat myself.

 

"as for the "Roman swords found int he Americas" thing- I haven't read about that before, I don't know how accurate it is... "

as I said, I heard that at uni, that's why it seemed pretty correct to me

Why did the traffic stop? stupid question as there could be many many reasons and how would you go and find them ... any idea of the small amount of archeological recources? apparantly not

 

River-wind , thanks for the links ! One thing about the tobacco found in the mummies not mentioned in the article, is that there was and is a native African spieces , it's name is Nicotiana africana . It was "discovered" in 1965 . No pre- Columbus trans-oceanic trade routes were necessary , for it grows in and is native to south west Africa .