Brought up in the real world today

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Weiser_Dub, Apr 2, 2003.

  1. Weiser_Dub Registered Senior Member

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    As youngsters we are told we can accomplish our dreams, that we can do anything. At the same time, we are inundated with media that portrays many things that obviously don't, or at least, possibly won't occur in the real world. The question I suppose I'm trying to get at is one of power, importance, and significance. Why are we so misled as youngsters into believing anything is possible, yet at the same time, when we get a little older and we are idealists we are told to grow up and become a part of the real world. What is up with this conundrum? I think it is utterly and stupidly wrong, and also a perfect example of the human condition. Why? Sorry if I'm rambling somewhat incoherently, but it seems like we're presented with one world, when in actuality another one exists.
    Okay, I know there is the argument of innocence, which, in the minds of some, should be kept to a certain point, but I'm not really for this. My thought process is one of truth being the only way to advance, improve, prosper. Yet, at the same time, I don't think we live in a society where this is, for the most part, admired or encouraged. Who says we can do anything? Moreover, who says we should, or that any of this even matters?
    (I hope that spawns something. I'll try to improve upon it later, as I think it is still quite lacking, but thanks for your time and patience anyway.)
     
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  3. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Some examples?
     
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  5. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    What are you rambling about?


    Media portrays entertainers making lots of money
    Is that not real?
    Are they faking the fact that they are making money, or are you saying, that we shouldn't reach for such life styles because they are not reachable to most people?


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    "when we get a little older and we are idealists we are told to grow up and become a part of the real world."
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    What real world are you talking about?
    I always say, "If it isn't ideal, than it isn't real."
    Do you really think you are truly living if you underestimate your own potential? If you know yourself, you would know what type of life you really want to live. What is the point of settling for anything less than the best? It's not real.

    True, when most people are young, others tell them that they can be anything, and when they get older, more and more morons come at them, and try to convince them that they can't.

    I never had that luxury.
    From the time I was young to this day there was nobody there to tell me I can do anything.
    In fact, everybody was there telling me what I shouldn't even think about aiming for. My parents were at the top of the list of people trying to tell me what I shouldn't attempt. How backwards is that?
    Of course, even though I consciously knew they were all full of it, my subconscious unfortunately listened, and I got screwed over because of it.
     
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  7. Charles Fleming Registered Senior Member

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    Looks like you have some great faith there cool_skill!

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  8. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    More people should.
     
  9. DJ Erock Resident Skeptic Registered Senior Member

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    I have to agree with Dub on this one, sometimes when i see tv for little kids, it makes me realize how illusioned i was as a child, thinking the world was mine for the taking, but it isn't, you can't accomplish everything. While it may be good for a child to realize they can be successful, it doesn't seem good for them to get the impression they can do anything they want.

    another thing with children's tv, i hate how shows of today give children the impression that they can interact with the tv by telling the characters what to do, that definetly seems bad for development.
     
  10. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    You can't accomplish everything, but you can accomplish anything.
    It's like when you go to one of those restaurants where they have menus.
    You might be able to choose anything you want on it, but I doubt you will be able to eat everything on it.


    Why?
    Impression?
    Since when is the truth an impression?

    They can do anything they want.
    You would be a complete idiot to put a limitation on your own potential, and settle for anything less than what you truly desire for yourself.

    Regardless of what TV influence, I can ask anybody what they would prefer between living a life of limitation, and living a life where they can have anything they want.

    Most people prefer to
    be able to travel wherever they want whenever they feel like it,
    live an organized life in a clean house that is well kept,
    have a significant other that they are truly connected to,
    make money in their sleep,
    have enough free time to devote to their spiritual growth,
    the list goes on.

    You're trying to convince people that letting children know the truth that they are able to accomplish ANYTHING they want "definetly seems bad for development"?

    How so?
     
  11. Whyatt Thrash Indecent Registered Senior Member

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    TV gives kids today a f-ed up sense of reality though. Many kids get brought up more by Pokemon, MTV and the influence these channels has on them and their friends than they do by their parents that struggles their asses of and gets burned out trying to make ends meet.

    A friend o mine has a 4-year old daughter, that she picked up the other day at kindergarten. She was standing around talking to another kid's mom, and when they're talking she sees her daughter standing behind the little boy, doing a "booty-dance".

    The mom gets embarassed off her ass, and when she asked her kid she said: "that's what girls do with their men". Needless to say, her mom's single, so the kid has no acive father-figure, so she gets her impressions on "relationships" from TV.

    Then there's the girls in 7th grade walking around with g-strings and asking the school nurse if they HAVE to have anal sex... Cause that's what they see in pornos, so that's what's considered normal to them.

    See what happens when you trust society to bring up your kids... I'm not moralizing about anything here, just... Being upset about it..
     
  12. Charles Fleming Registered Senior Member

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    It was sarcasm one_raven

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  13. spacemanspiff czar of things Registered Senior Member

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    "we were all lead to beleive that one day we would all be rock stars and movie gods. but we won't. and we're slowly learning that fact"

    sorry i just have to qoute Fight Club whenever i can.

    Well of course TV gives you a warped sense of reality!!! Think about raising your kid on MTV and popular primetime sitcoms. how do you think your kid would turn out?

    simple solution. turn off the TV. or at least keep it on the good channels. TLC, Discovery, PBS, ect.
     
  14. Whyatt Thrash Indecent Registered Senior Member

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    I really don't agree with that quote. We're all led to believe that there lies value in being those things, and we're all being influenced to WANT those things. But many of us COULD still be any of those things. If we set our minds to it, are prepared to work for it and pay the price...

    Only a fraction will get there thought, and THAT might be the fact we are slowly learning.

    You might never get there, and find yourself burning your whole life away working for that dream. That's when you're gonna have to work out what's practical, and try to set more reasonable goals for yourself. I've realized that the chances of me ever being a world-renowned comic book artist is extremely slim, so I've set the goal to try and make money off what I do as an illustrator instead, which is a more reasonable goal.

    But my chances of succeeding is not gonna prevent me from having that dream. I'm just.. Not gonna "sacrifice" my life trying to live the dream...

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  15. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    I totally agree with cool_skill and Whyatt Thrash... and I add...

    If we don't believe in ourselves, we are already defeated.

    Take for example the example of athletes... let's say, runners. They train lots. Every time they train they set up a goal and works toward it. They set highter and highter goals as they go along. How many of those people run in order to get in second place? Aren't all of them expecting to get in first? And even if they don't get in first, they are already happy to finish the race, even if it is the last place, since they did their best.

    How pointless can life be if you don't have high aspirations? Well... that question you can ask for a junkie in the street or to whoever gives up before even trying...

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