So Europe really does hate us but why????

To all you fucking stupid, brainless and bigheaded American NOBODIES: MOST of us here in Europe don't give a damn about your opinions, so just shut up...i suppose many of you don't have a clue about politics anyway. Recently I saw pupils of an American High School on TV...all they had to say was "I don't know much about politics, but I'm sure that Bush is an able man". Is that the education you receive? Being as uncritical as possible and saying yes to every shit your government decides? We here only laugh at you, except at the 20% (?) who have a brain and say no to this unjust war. Hope you will suffer the worst defeat ever...greetings!



Found this on a message board and just thought i would share. This girl (the user name was angry girl) seems to really not like US and it's funny she shows the characteristics of a lot of things she makes fun of Americans for.

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Hmm, i don't have much to say about the post by angry girl, aside from calm down. But the subject of the thread is a good one. Why DOES Europe hate us? We all know basic reasons but i'd like to hear from some Europeans. Even if you don't PERSONALY hate us, could i hear the reasons others in your countries do? I have my own ideas about why, but i'll settle for yours instead.

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I don't give a fuck what old-Europe thinks of the United States. Most of new-Europe usually agrees with the United States.


Why they hate us? Because they are relatively insignificant. We have the biggest economy, one of the highest GDP per capita, the biggest military force in the world, and we lean relatively to the right compared to the communis.., err, socialist states in Europe. Jealousy comes to mind too. They can't exactly do anything significant without involving the United States. They hate not having control over anything. (Like France is chewing bricks right now because they just realize how fucking useless they are when it comes to global politics.)

 

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you mean the eastern europeans? the baltics? spain?
these are the new euros? to be new you gotta back bush's play??

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To be new you have to be an upcoming power. Poland my not be significant, but combined with Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary, and the other former U.S.S.R satellites they are probably more significant than Germany and France.

 

I'm appalled by the amount of bigotry and generalization displayed in all posts in this thread.

Just because one white man is a racist doesn't make an entire population of white men racists. Just because one confused and angry little girl makes a resentful post on the internet doesn't make an entire continent of people agree with her. Jesus, get some f**king sense of perspective.

 

I kinda didn't really say anything...but you have to understand what this girl thinks is also the opinion of a lot of Europeans....while still not right it does make a significant impact ..so people that posted in this thread have their opinions too.

 

jerreck

We have the biggest economy, one of the highest GDP per capita, the biggest military force in the world, and we lean relatively to the right compared to the communis.., err, socialist states in Europe.

our economy is dependant on lots of shit. we need goodwill to maintain our position. lets not antagonize needlessly

Jealousy comes to mind too.

this aint frikkin highschool dog!

They can't exactly do anything significant without involving the United States.

really? what?

They hate not having control over anything.

projecting? control over what?

(Like France is chewing bricks right now because they just realize how fucking useless they are when it comes to global politics.)

you are a frikkin moron kiddo

 

Let me address the problems.

First off, there is a claim on this thread that Europe hates America. This can mean that Europeans hate Americans, that the European Governments hate the American Government, etc etc. I'd like to mention to Jerrek that there is no distinction between "new Europe" and "old Europe." Most of Europe, excluding Britain and a few other countries, is a Confederacy, now. What some Americans don't realize is that a vast portion of Europe is anti-american. Why is this? Generally I think that European schools get a ton of funding from their governments, as opposed to American schools, who are not on the priority of any spending unless the American mob starts comlaining about it. Correct me if I'm wrong [Europeans].

What you have to realize is that many americans truly are ignorant, conservative or liberal. I put the estimate at around 80%. This portion includes our friend Jerrek. He is taking the traditional ignorant P.O.V--they are automatically wrong if they disagree. This standpoint I find rather amusing, considering that American students tend to score lower on various tests as compared to Europeans. Because of this, you'd figure that we'd be incorrect more often. But I guess that because God is on our side, because we have an enormous military, and because we are American and we are right that this makes no difference.

Wrong again. France and Russia both hold nuclear arsenals and Russia has an enormous military, larger than ours, I believe. They are many things, but they are not insignificant. Nor is America. And, please, the argument that the soviet Satellites are more powerful than France and Russia--come on, read over it a bit. That really is crazy-talk. Re-evaluate.

The governments may have been bought out but the people--generally 80-90% of the population, in fact, disagrees with most if not all of what America does.

 

upcoming power? how do you need to qualify as one? how do you see them being more significant? economically? militarily?
do you see an alliance b/w the countries you mentioned? what kinda gdp do these countries have?

lmao you crack me up. how does it go with you? " i have an opinion and i gotta make it known" ? "god gave me a mouth and i'll be damned if i dont use it" ?

cmon
"new europe" means back the us play, yes?

 

Bravo Pollux, couldn't say it better myself. also:

I don't believe this to be true, but if it is, its probably because "new europe" (what kind of term is THAT?) hasn't been around long enough for us to REALLY piss them off. Americans seem to have a short term memory as a whole, and seem to forget the shite we've done in the past.

But again, i stress, i want to know what EUROPEANS think. Either side an american chooses shows his pretentiousness. If we think Europe is wrong, we're pretentions because of our self righteaous attitudes. If we say europe hates us, then we are pretentions to assume we know the attitudes in places where we don't live.

 

LOL, read the last line of my last post on this thread. we posted at the same time with the same idea.

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It's all right to have opinions. But pretending knowledge on subjects where you're totally ignorant is just foolish.

"generally 80-90% of the population, in fact, disagrees with most if not all of what America does"

Even if that was to be true, which I assume you have no knowledge about whatsoever unless you follow these nations' national polls closely, I don't think ppl are against what the US does simply because it's the US. People have different opinions and points of view. "All of what america does", what does that even mean? The death penalty? Yes, many people dislike that. Your gun politics? Some think it's ancient and selfdestructive.

But do you mean that these cultural aspects are "all of what america does?" Everything america does doesn't show up as front-page news over here, you know. But a lot of people disagree with a lot of things going on in the US. But, surprise, surprise, even more people are involved with and disagrees with what's going on in our own countries. What does anti-american even mean? That you hate all americans? That doesn't make you anti-american, that makes you a bigoted goddamn racist...

People may dislike Hollywood movies because they find them gaudy and predictable, not just because they come from Hollywood. Or they may dislike a lot of American music that gets exported, because they consider it bland and intended to appeal to a mass-audience. One factor could be because, umm... People from different cultures like different things!

AND, you can't miss the power the american media possesses. People might hate a lot of english music just as much, if english media had had the same resources to distribute their crap music into the world. But as it is now, only the really great bands stand a chance in that music scene, and thus are the ones that get exported... And with America producing this kind of cultural material, AND having the ability to distribute it world-wide, of course a lot of people will dislike those products. But disliking one thing that comes out of america doesn't make you hate america, or everything that comes from america. Jesus Christ, cut us europeans some frigging slack...

I think I lost my point somewhere in there. You could try to find it if you're interested...

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Why Canadians hate Americams:

Okay, so I figure maybe the Europeans have something in common with us. And we hate Americans, for the most part. Why do we hate Americans? For starters - you're all a bunch of morons. (Keep in mind I am aware of my gross generalizations). I remember one Jeopardy episode that made me shake my head. Three absolutely brilliant people standing up there and one of the categories was "Famous Buildings". They knew where all of them were except, what? The CN Tower. One of the tallest free-standing buildings in history (I believe one taller is in progress, so I put "one of"). But no, it's in Canada, so they didn't know. Americans know nothing about Canadian geography or politics. Secondly, the Americans fuck us over. To help American major companies the US government has fucked over Canadian soft wood for years (and note; this actually hurts the American people). I can name almost all the capitals of every state - but can you guys name the provinces and their capitals? And fuck, we only have 10 provinces and three territories! Add to this the fact of American ego. All you have to do is flip on American tv to see how little you guys actually care about world issues. Damn Yankees.

 

pardon me, i didn't know you were one of us.


yes, the general public is pretty much unaware of the rest of the world. mostly we just live in a bubble unless you live in a cultural hub or city. they usually don't teach a whole lot in school about the rest of the world....maybe a few courses in high school. you have to make an effort to learn about anywhere else. since the land was blessed with an abundance of resources, it is almost self-suffient (it isn't but could be) so there is little need to pay any attention to the rest of the world. i don't excuse it.

 

you are a frikkin moron kiddo
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It's not worth the effort. I mean, it's all just snow, pine trees, and mounties that say "aye" whenever they trip over their own feet

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There are ignorant people everywhere. I have no doubt that a lot of Europeans don't like America simply because it's America. Hell, I know Americans who don't like America just because they look up to people like myself who have a reason to heheheheh I'm such an asshole

Anyway

I'm anti stupid-american. In every nation on Earth there are cool people, intelligent people, and hot women. Likewise, in every nation on Earth there are assholes, stupid people, and femenists

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You meet all of them every now and then.

I think you were trying to say that I was generalizing. Which I was. But I'm probably wrong.

 

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swedish & polish comment

having lived most of my life in sweden, i might give some hints as to swedish discontent with the usa (and keeping somewhat posted on polish polls, i'll just flick in the remark that the last poll i saw claimed a 75% vote against the war on iraq, as opposed to the governments stance).

my main reasons for disliking the us government:

*it's the most powerful country in the world, and uses that power (be it military or economical) to enforce it's national politics of market liberalization upon the rest of the world - of course i'm well aware of that every government acts totally in it's ruling class' interest, but since the us the most obvious example of rampant capitalism, it also becomes the main focus of critique.

i believe this might be a hint as to why europe is considered to be 'anti-american'; usa is both a ill example of a 'responsible, democratic nation' (if such a nation is at all possible) worth protesting on it's own merit (the philiphines, hiroshima, nagasaki, east timor, nicaragua, venezuela, colombia, cuba, peru, korea, vietnam, and more recently afghanistan and now iraq), as well as a symbol to protest considering what we see is happening over here as well - the european governments are all heading in the direction of a 'socialism for the rich' modelled on the usa, and most people don't like it.

i would agree on that we all should overthrow our own governments first, as far as national politics are concerned (ie, it's first and foremost the job of the americans to get rid of the death penalty, it's my job to make sure that sweden doesn't infringe on civil liberties here), but when it comes to international relations, all people have a moral obligation to voice their opinion (sweden is right now exporting weapons to the usa, something should be demonstrated against in front of all embassies), as well as actively support 'good' change abroad where such is deemed necessary (i can't remember anyone *ever* rallying behind 'free the iraqi people by supporting the democratic opposition' for the past ten years, shame on us all).

so, in short. i don't hate the usa, there's a lot of good people there, it is in many senses 'free', and good things have sprung out of it.
but there's a difference between the ruling and the ruled, and the nations progress has been made on the backs of war, misery and famine, not to mention the commodification of humans beyond recognition; this behaviour is by no means exclusive to american culture - it just happened to be the usa who are in power.
wait for another hundred years, and we'll see what entity is holding the world by it's balls then. it'll disgust me just as much as the us gov disgusts me now, being the embodiment of all the worst aspects of humans they are.


k. enough ranting. my two euro cents' worth.

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The so called "new" europe (poland , bulgaria) is economically weak europe and will bentover for anyone that gives them some hard cash....The "old" Europe on the contrary is exactly proving that they can do without bribes and have an have their own opinion....The Brits ? Well weren't they responsible for the whole miserable situation of the middle-east in the first place, by throwing kurds, sunnits and sji'its in one location made with straight line drawers and call it iraq? Also the Brits were involved in the creation of the israeli state....

Now Spain is a particular case. Aznar joined the coalition against terrorism, against the will of most spanish people, primarely because he has a personal disgust of the Basque ETA liberation movement and feels he needs the momentum to violate civil rights in order to fight the ETA hard...