Einstein, Churchill and bad spellers

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  1. Andre Registered Senior Member

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  3. apendrapew Oral defecator Registered Senior Member

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    Whoot!! Power to the dyslexiacs!

    More than likely a coincidence in conjunction with hopeful thinking, however.
     
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  5. Charles Fleming Registered Senior Member

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    Who the hell is Fanny Flagg??? Pml. (Bottom right, Famous Dyslexics).
     
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    Pseudo-scientific quacks !
    I was told that I had dyslexia by a teacher some 30 years ago . The basis for such a conclusion , was that I had commented that I found it easier to spell a word by writing it out on paper ...than spelling it verbally . I still have a knuckle sandwich reserved for this guy .
     
  8. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    perhaps there IS a relation between careless spelling and intellect .

    I mean if u would take a look at language , its meaning , how it relates to communication(or knowledge) and what role spelling plays in all of this , u might conclude that it is RIDICIOULESS

    Now idunno about Albert or Winston , and how inetlligent they were . I could care less about spelling because it has little value in most of my intentions writing intentions , thus i type carelessly when it comes to that , thus i make alot of errors .

    Perhaps Albert was thinking the same ?
    I mean if he would write algebra i am sure he wouldnt make such errors , because it would create problems .... perhaps he cared less for ordinary spelling ?

    dyslexia , HA ....
    well , it does fit their psychologic/psychiatric pseudosciences .\, to claim such a thing .
     
  9. ben nevis Registered Senior Member

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    Dyslexic may I be think I.
     
  10. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Andre, what method were you taught in school ? From the brief reading that I have done over the years on this subject , some knowledgable people are now saying that "dyslexia" is a learning / reading / spelling difficulty caused by the technique that has been pushed in public schools for many decades .

    Instead of Phonics , where students are given basic tools for sounding out words even those they are unfamiliar with , the method pushed by school psychologists has been the whole language approach or psycholinguistics . The public education system has been taken over by self-appointed "experts" and socialists for nearly a century . What next ?...give drugs to these kids because their "tools" were stolen by the same people who claim to know what is best for them ?
     
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    Oh Fanny-Flag, that great literary mind.

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  12. Weiser_Dub Registered Senior Member

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    This thread was born out of wishful thinking.

    Allahs was on the right track with the ridiculousness of language.

    On a similar note, there's the concept of tweaking the language to suit yourself. (I've done this, but wouldn't necessarily recommend this, as it can confuse people

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  13. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks Andre for the link

    I never contended that dyslexia doesn't exist , merely presenting that causation is still unknown and that some have presented the aurgument that the learning method itself, forced early on school age kids maybe contributory . Many of the questions asked by the link you first provided, seem to me to be so broad and in some cases oppossing each other , that makes an accurate determination resemble arbitrary hocus pocus .

    I will read and consider the page provided . It should be noted that many of the statements presented by John Jennings are taken directly from the DSM VI . Statements ( from his add/adhd- dyslexia page ) such as "ADD and ADHD arises from a neurochemical imbalance "...are not established as fact . His reasoning is typical of the pharmaceutical industry directed education system now present .

    Take a pill little Johnny...
     
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  14. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    actually the causes of ADD and ADHD are as proven as much as anything in science can be proven. There is a strong coorelation between chemical 'imbalance' in the brain/body and behavioral problems.

    This does not say that pills are the only solutions. this does not say that genetics are the sole cause for the imbalance. in fact, there is a good deal of eveidence that high levels of sugar in a young child's diet may increase the ADHD symptoms; that a low amount of zinc will too.

    often times, IME, diet changes as well as a more responsible environment will help the child to learn to harness the mental energy that is ADHD.
    http://www.healthysource.com/add.html
    http://www.naturalinvestor.com/nutritionsciencenews/nsn_backs/Sep_00/polysaturated.cfm


    I have dealt with many ADHD kids, both growing up diagnosed as one myself, to about 60% of the scouts in the Troop I am assistant leader of now. And all of them, every single one, are smart as hell. I don't see ADD as a problem, it's the result of being smart- the brain doesn't turn off, it doesn't follow one path- you get the chance to see tons of different possibilities all at one time. But often, all these tings at once are too much for a kid to handle, and so they just go with what ever is foremost in their minds. the result is seemingly chaotic behavior and non-stop action.

    It *is* due to chemicals, it *is not* a reason to drug up your kids so they are easier to deal with. No one said it was. Drugs are effective to get an ADHD kid to work more "normally". notice I did not use the word "better".


    to make this relavent to the thread again, dilexia and ADHD often go hand in hand. It is also something that when not harnessed, can be a serious problem, preventing a person from living a productive life. However, if the individual can be taught to see things the way other people do, while at the same time not blocking their own natural methods of seeing the world, they will have a better vantage point to see how the world works. They will be able to see things that you and I can only imagine.
    so yes, I'd say that dislexia and intelligence may very well be linked. a large % of inteligent people through the history of man have been quite mad.
     
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  15. Weiser_Dub Registered Senior Member

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    Andre, first of all, what does a thread on Mammoths have to do with this? (maybe there is relevance, somewhere, but I'm not taking the time to sift through all that to figure out what it is)

    Your links to dyslexia are all fine and dandy, but well, I already know what it is, and I'm arguing a totally different point. Dyslexia exists, etc... but put it to the side, then you can hear my argument.

    From PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I have messed with words, grammar, etc. I'd classify it as "the way language currently is is no better than the way it COULD be" hence change it, or "it's creative" or "who cares, as long as it's understood" or "who even cares so much if it's 'understood' as everything will be interpreted differently by everyone anyway" or "I'm going to be creative" or "why not? they are JUST words"... ok, I'm done
     
  16. spookz Banned Banned

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    biased and slanted. the more labels you can slap on people, the more profits to be made
     
  17. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    River_wind thanks for the reply and links

    As it stands now , the method for determining if little Jimmy or Johnny has an excess or deficiency of certain neurochemicals , is to engage in speculation . Asking developing children questions , marking yes or no to their answers , then concluding that they have more dopamine receptors than is presently allowed ......is pseudo-science !
     

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