Kazaa

Discussion in 'Computer Science & Culture' started by eddie monkey, Mar 8, 2003.

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  1. eddie monkey FU Registered Senior Member

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    My friends download songs from Kazaa onto their computers like crazy, but say it is illegal. Is it realistic to think that they will be caught?
     
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  3. spacemanspiff czar of things Registered Senior Member

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    realistic? no.

    naw. downloading music is a victimless crime, like punching somebody in the dark

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    some Uni's have tried to crack down and made an example of a few kids, but in general file sharring is pretty rampant.
     
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  5. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    Not so fast. Check this out. Download while you still can!! It WILL come to a stop. We should boycott the Music Industry for doing this. We'll all just listen to the radio or record music from satellite radio. Yeah, that's it!!
     
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  7. my kazaa ID: Psychomantyss@kazaa........yes please catch me, now

    (most other users ID: defaultuser@kazaa)
     
  8. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    I think you misinterpreted the message here. RIAA is not asking Kazaa for the ID. It's asking Verizon, who has the person's identifiable info with his/her name and address. If Verizon is made to ID this person, RIAA will know EXACTLY who this subscriber is. Why else do you think this is such a big debate?
     
  9. mindraker Registered Senior Member

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    i don't think kazaa should be illegal because it is p2p which means that you are connect to another computer not like morpheus which had a server that had all shit on it and then you connect to another computer but i don't know, please fill me in if i need to be...
     
  10. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    The idea is that if RAII can get this through, then the expense goes way down to prosecute an individual. Having to go through the process of getting a warrent to get the id of any one individual makes the process too expensive to chase every user of p2p networks. However, if they can legally obtain the info on each user by merely going to the IP provider then that is a whole 'nother bucket of apples. It then becomes peanuts to send form letters stating that you owe for how many songs, movies, ect that you share or have d/led.

    The RAII is a rabid dog gone mad. You are about to be the next victum of its bite if you use p2p.
     
  11. mindraker Registered Senior Member

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    isn't there some kind of law that protects people from that kind of stuff?
     
  12. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    That is exactly what all the fuss is about. Laws change. This one has. It is now to a point of trying the water to see if it will float in the eyes of the RAII.
     
  13. rhetorician Registered Senior Member

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    THe debate isn't kazaa its the files being shared. Not many people in gov. care if a few gov. bad mouthing rapers and company get riped off. i think the real concern is the other stuff exchanged on kazaa. Ex. the underage XXX crap.

    Another thing. i heard windows XP tracks all dls and sends ones with hot-topic words to be analyzed. and yeah im pretty sure this is true because i saw on tv 5 guys got arrested because of it. Invasion of privacy maybe but im sure theres something in one of those read me files no one ever reads.
     
  14. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Again as I mentioned in another post, the whole Court thing is a serious case of "Close the gate the horse has bolted".

    Can they put everything back into the perverbial bottle?

    Well when you look at it like this, they will convert their arguement to "Damage limitation", but what exactly is getting damaged?

    It's not like someones knocking down their house through blatent vandalism. If anything people sharing a product means the products is in demand and at the end of the day that is what they want, otherwise they wouldn't SELL ANYTHING.

    They aren't actually LOSING a PROFIT, since it wasn't a PROFIT They were ever going to get.

    I rest my case

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  15. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    If I can just download my favorite songs from Kazaa, why would I go to the store and buy the CD? In this way, they are losing a profit.
     
  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I would not be buying songs, games, *cough* porn and movies anyways with my belly button lint worth in money so KazaA has been a great haven for me at no sacrifice to the original producers.
     
  17. ok how can they say song trading is illegal. most of the legit cd's i have i ripped to .mp3 in case they get scratched, they happen to be in my MP3 folder which is shared on kazaa people download them from me, so in exchange for my time and my ISP bill for them to add my songs to their comp. i do vice versa.

    Also if you chop 10kb off (capaible in WinMX) an mp3 technackly(sp) it's not anyones song, so ha ha
     
  18. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, kazaa saves me a lot of money

    For somebody who has little to no free cash kazaa saves me money. I have seen so many crappy movies for free through kazaa whereas otherwise i would have had to pay to rent them. GOOOO kazaaaaaaaaa.
     
  19. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I saw star wars episode 2 before it was even out in theaters

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    I thought it was nothing but a light show with bad music... the onlyu part I like was yoda getting down and dirty.
     
  20. sargentlard Save the whales motherfucker Valued Senior Member

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    seewhatimean

    "I saw star wars episode 2 before it was even out in theaters I thought it was nothing but a light show with bad music... the onlyu part I like was yoda getting down and dirty."




    See what i mean, you save money through kazaa by watching movies at home, movie that you would have otherwise regretted seeing at the theater since you would have had to have pay for them.



    Also downloading from newsgroups seems to be very efficent also, has anybody tried that yet.
     
  21. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    Where did you hear this?

    I will respond with this paragraph in Circular 21 from the US Copyright Office.

    Although the courts have considered and ruled upon the
    fair use doctrine over and over again, no real definition of
    the concept has ever emerged. Indeed, since the doctrine
    is an equitable rule of reason, no generally applicable definition
    is possible, and each case raising the question must
    be decided on its own facts. On the other hand, the courts
    have evolved a set of criteria which, though in no case definitive
    or determinative, provide some gauge for balancing
    the equities. These criteria have been stated in various
    ways, but essentially they can all be reduced to the four
    standards which have been adopted in section 107: “(1) the
    purpose and character of the use, including whether such
    use is of a commercial nature or is for non-profit educational
    purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3)
    the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation
    to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect
    of the use upon the potential market for or value of the
    copyrighted work.”


    If the courts see the copying of a portion of music as a potential loss in profit to the original owner of the recording, then this is copyright infringement. There is no set number of kilobytes or seconds or words that you can take off to make the song public domain.
     
  22. oh no!! we wouldn't want corperate america to lose any more $$
     
  23. Tallguy That's the way it is... Registered Senior Member

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    I'm not telling anybody not to download this kind of music, I could care less. I just want people to know the rules. I personally use Kazaa for downloading music and plan to continue untill I hear something else from this court case. I also am a member of another mp3 website owned by Sony. It's called pressplay, and so far for the $10/month I think it's worth it. If pressplay doesn't have a song I want, I use Kazaa. Pressplay has download rates above 5.0 with dialup and the music is always top-quality, unlike Kazaa you don't know what you're getting. Kazaa might tell you its 128kps but the person who ripped it didn't know what he/she was doing and alot of Kazaa songs I have downloaded sound like crap...
     
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