Ultimate question of scientific ethics!

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by Cog, Jan 25, 2003.

  1. Cog Registered Member

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    OK- I always thought this was an ultimate moral question for science:


    Say that you happen to find a box. Inside the box is undeniable proof that god does not exist. The question: What do you do with the box?


    Should the truth be exposed no matter what the consequences, or should we hide the truth if the masses might get hurt based upon our discoveries? I can certainly imaging scores of people going into serious depression and comitting suicide because they felt the only reason for living is god. Would exposing the truth be worth the pain it brings?
     
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  3. pumpkinsaren'torange Registered Senior Member

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    wow....in place of the word God in that little hypothetic vignette we could insert the word: Cancer. let's think about the implications using that word, too, shall we. oh..sorry, i'm being facetious...(it's a carry-over from another thread's discussion) ...i will get back on track and answer this accordingly in a few minutes. good thread, btw..
     
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  5. Cog Registered Member

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    Well that wouldn't be any good. What a silly idea.

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    But we could insert: "cure for cancer"
     
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  7. John Mace Registered Senior Member

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    This is an impossible scenario, as one cannot prove a negative.
    Try it sometime.
    Can't be done. No way, no how.

    Having said that, IF it were possible, I would not hesitate for one nanosecond to reveal the contents to the world. I don't see the moral delima. The only negative you have postulated is that people might kill themselves. I don't see how that follows. Besides, religion has been the cause of millions upon millions of deaths over the centuries. Why would it's demise necessarily usher in a worse situation.
     
  8. voltron Registered Senior Member

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    Faith is one of those more powerful entities of the human species that does not even succumb to proof.
     
  9. Idle Mind What the hell, man? Valued Senior Member

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    This wouldn't be the end of religion, only christianity. Unless of course he was implying that the contents of the box was proof that all gods did not exist. However, I do agree that the contents must be shared immediately.

    This is very true, and I was about to say the same thing. I'm afraid that some people may not be persuaded into forsaking religion even ifundeniable proof is provided.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The flip-side is more interesting.

    What if a scientist finds a box which proves, once and for all, that God exists?

    Should he or she reveal the information?
     
  11. Firefly Registered Senior Member

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    Well, the gloating would never end, but other than that... why not?
     
  12. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    god is tiny if it fits in a box...
     
  13. Idle Mind What the hell, man? Valued Senior Member

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    spurious, you are a very funny person.
     
  14. spookz Banned Banned

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    so what's a poor scientist to do if he discovers god? will there be a massive cover up? will god be passed off as a weather ballon? will nations compete to be the first to open a dialogue with god and gain most favored nation status?

    so many ?'s
     
  15. Neville Registered Senior Member

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    What is actually in the box then??

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    She didnt say god was actually in the box spurious monkey just that the proof was

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  16. Rick Valued Senior Member

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    JAMES R,

    Brilliant Question.I was about to ask the same thing?...But found later on that it would lose its relevance since Majority of people i presume are <i>not</i>Atheists...Correct me if am wrong at this Statistics...

    bye!
     
  17. Idle Mind What the hell, man? Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that the ratios are different for each country. In the US, I think it's pretty close to 50-50. However in China or India, I would think that the percentage atheists would be quite small.
     
  18. John Mace Registered Senior Member

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    Idle:

    The numbers I've usually seen are that ~95% of people in the US believe in some sort of God (i.e., are NOT atheists). Not sure if you live here, but this is a supprisingly religious country.

    I'd suspect the number of atheists on message boards like this to be considerably higher than the national avg.
     
  19. Idle Mind What the hell, man? Valued Senior Member

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    John:

    I realise that the numbers on a message board that centers around science will have a higher ratio than that of society. I thought I saw the 50-50 statistic somewhere, but I think it may have been Christian to non-Christian. That is likely where I got mixed up.

    I live in Canada, BTW.
     
  20. Jolly Rodger Banned Banned

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    i will try and track this down and i will not mind if people disagree with what i am about to say
    although i read about a group of eleven scientist went out to the middleeast or somthing and together set out disprove jesus' existance although when returned changed there faith to catholic!
    i am not trying to say catholics are the one and only right religion but what i am saying is it is hard to say that jesus did not exsist.
    when i find the web page i will post it
     
  21. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    the only solid evidence for the existence of god would be god itself...

    but i am sure god has the power to make itself fit in a box, even a tiny one.
     
  22. Cog Registered Member

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    The question is not if Jesus exists, it is if he is the so-called messiah (sp?). I very much doubt that Jesus ever expected a religion to be built around his ideas. Most of the "witness testimonies" and texts about Jesus were writen hundreds of years after they were supposed to happen. This is not to say they are wrong, only that there is as much doubt about this story as any other that is passed down through culture. Fairies, goblins, dragons, god, unicorns...all the same as far as I can tell.
     
  23. MShark Registered Senior Member

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    Cog

    Suppose that you could prove anything. How would go about doing it?
     

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