descrimination

[Asguard]

OMG

i had been reading people saying that in the US you could be fired baised on sexual preference and i was like pst what crap that has been outlawed forever

but i was just talking to an american and he said yea they r and that its good

OMG

i cant belive that

the sexual descrimination act here was set in place in 1984
http://www.hreoc.gov.au/sex_discrimination/index.html

the only act older on descrimination is the Racial Discrimination Act 1975

i thought the westen world had got rid of this

hell what makes me a less good chef because im bi?

i was trying to check if the brits r the same but i couldnt find it

[CounslerCoffee]

Asguard,

If I own a family based company founded on Christian beliefs then I can, if I want, fire all my homosexual employee's. Most company's are now equal opportunity providers, but that doesn't mean that others are to.

If you own a restaurant and you think that homosexuality is wrong then you don't have to hire homosexuals, its your free right to do that because it is your company and your property. It's completely legal and I support it. Im not against homosexuals (you know that) but if I was (and Im not) then I would fire all my homosexual employees because I find it morally wrong (Not that I would).

Look at it this way: if someone was against homosexuals and didn't want to work around them or hire them for this reason then they can do that, especially if it made them uncomfortable.

It sucks I know. But you cant do anything about it because its up to the people who own it to decide what goes on in it.

/CounslerCoffee

[Asguard]

no u can APPLY for an exsemption to the anti descrimination tribunal

like the catholic church did in NSW because they made a scollership for male primary school teachers only (actull i think this is a good thing cause need more male primary teachers)

ur no beter than afganistan

how dare u bleat that afgainstan a woman cant walk down the street without her face covered and how wrong is this when someone can fire me from a position for something that a) i have no control over and more importantly b) DOESNT EVEN EFECT MY JOB

[CounslerCoffee]

how dare u bleat that afgainstan a woman cant walk down the street without her face covered and how wrong is this when someone can fire me from a position for something that a) i have no control over and more importantly b) DOESNT EVEN EFECT MY JOB

Asguard, those are two completely different things. The woman can walk down the street and be as gay as she wants. But if she try's to get a job at a privately owned company then they can reject her for that reason. It's their right, not ours.

Its like this; if I didn't want a convicted felon to work for my company then I don't have to hire them. But if I decide that I want to then I can. Or if my company is an equal opportunity provider then I would have to hire that person no matter what.

I don't think you understand the point. Its the company's right not to hire a person for whatever reason they want. Now that other person can go "Hey, just because Im black/chinese/gay/whatever doesn't mean that I cant work here." Then you know what you do? You boycott. You can force the company to accept you for who you are and hire people like you.

If anyone here remembers that Henry Ford used to only hire Christians, nonalcoholic people then you would know that that was his right to do that. He can discriminate as much as he wants to because its a privately owned company.

[zanket]

Employers everywhere have a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy. That’s part of the reason we use aliases here instead of our real names. If it wasn’t your sexual preference, it’d be your political beliefs, and if not that, then something else. Most employees must present themselves as adequately mainstream. Often the employers want that because employees and customers want that.

[RichardJA]

coffee, what you don't understand is that a person's personal life is absolutely no business of their employer. There is NO excuse for any form of discrimination.

It's not just employment situations there Asguard.

A report released in February by the Judicial Council of California, revealed that anti-gay bias was a major problem in the court system statewide in California. Over half of all gay men and lesbians interviewed regarding their court experiences reported hearing anti-gay comments or experiencing anti-gay actions when sexual orientation became an issue. Nearly a third of all court employees believed that it was unsafe for them to be openly identified as gay or lesbian in the workplace. This bias remained even though California was one of the United States' most progressive states regarding lesbian and gay equality.

It's still considered to be unsafe to admit to be gay in the American military, and a new study into harassment in American school has got all the alarm bells ringing.

[RichardJA]

Znaket, don't have a 'don't ask don't tell' policy in my country. In my country it is illegal to fire anyone or not hire someone on the grounds of their sexuality. And our military has no policy against homosexuals. Actually our military has one of the highest amount of open homosexuals in the world.

[Zero]

Are you American? Have you applied to the ROTC or other Army related services before? They do discriminate against gays and are quite open about it.

[zanket]

RichardJA – Granted some countries are more enlightened than others. Still, I doubt an applicant in your country has the same chance of being hired when wearing a psychedelic suit.

Zero - Yes. No. That's bad.

[Asguard]

the anti discrimination board was formed to stop ALL forms of discrimination be it in hiring\firing OR harasment

harasment baised on sex, or sexual preferance
race or religion
disability

NO ONE should have to put up with that from ANYONE for ANY reason

[RichardJA]

asguard, maybe we live in the only countries where people are hired for their qualifications and not appearance, sexuality, etc

Zero, why should they be allowed to discriminate?

[Asguard]

isnt it interesting that a girl can wear pants and NO ONE can do a thing about it but if a guy wears a dress.....

not that i chose to do that but my straight brother likes wearing dresses as jokes (actully im not sure why those 2 always seem to go together)

[RichardJA]

there are still bars here that will give free drinks to any guys that go in wearing a dress on certain nights.

I think it is sad the way people justify their hatred. not looking at anyone's post in particular coffee. :mad:

I'm just glad I'm not American and don't have to put up with all the crap homosexuals have to deal with there from people who think it is their business what people do in their private lives:mad:

And zero, being a gay male, with a lot of gay friends in the US, I know a hell of a lot of what they go through:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[CounslerCoffee]

Zero, why should they be allowed to discriminate?


While this question was not directed at me I will answer it.

I don't believe that they should be allowed to discriminate, I think its wrong and that it doesn't make much sense unless its in a special case.

If its a private organization or a private company then they have that right. Why? Because its privately owned and operated. I can't force the KKK to accept black members because its the KKK! And its a private organization.

Now in certain cases Im all for discrimination. Say a convicted sex offender applied for a job at a children's hospital. Do you want him working around children? No. I don't think so. But I wouldn't call that discrimination I would call it justice.

[Asguard]

actully the KKK r TOTALLY BANED here

and sex offenders r CRIMINALS

IM NOT
and HOW DARE u even COMPARE us

[Xev]

/The solution to this, is of course for all Americans to commit suicide and thus make the rest of the world happy./

To be less blase, it's not fair, but does a business have this right? Does such a thing as a "right to work" exist?

and sex offenders r CRIMINALS

So are homosexuals in some states of the US.

[CounslerCoffee]

It was an example Asguard, I was not comparing gays to sex offenders.

EXAMPLE BELOW
I said that if a sex offender went to work at a hospital then they shouldn't be allowed to work there. If a gay man wanted to work at a hospital or a bar or a school or anything else then he should be allowed to.
EXAMPLE OVER

You just now told me that you don't have the KKK in Australia. This shows that your country is lacking in freedoms. We have the KKK here because people are allowed to say/do whatever they want when its their private organization.

[Asguard]

YES

either that or there is NO such thing as a dole bluger

[Asguard]

they dont have it because its illegal under INTERNATIONAL LAW

do u have people alowed to belong to al quider?

[Xev]

they dont have it because its illegal under INTERNATIONAL LAW

The Klan isn't illegal under international law.

[Asguard]

no

ratial and reglious discrimination is

and If its a private organization or a private company then they have that right. Why? Because its privately owned and operated. I can't force the KKK to accept black members because its the KKK! And its a private organization.

so if ur at my house i can murder, rape anything i like to u because ur on my private property?

[RichardJA]

oh freedom, running around with a white sheet on over you screaming vulgar comments at blacks. Almost as good as hate groups going to gay funerals to spread their hate, God I am so glad I don't live there. If that is freedom, you can keep it. I think I prefer living in a small country where people are laid back and accepting of people for who they are, than having to put up with the hatred groups in the US.

Asguard you do have those scum there, what are they called, black shirts?

[Asguard]

HBAHAHHAHAHAHHA

yes the black shirts

you should see the letter our atorny genral of victoria wrote to them on behalf of the premior

GOD I LOVE LABOR:D

[RichardJA]

They were on 20/20 here, wanted to set up in NZ. Funny how that never happened. Personally I believe freedom is living ones life how they want with the freedom to be who they are, what they are without prejudice. I don't think Americans have worked out freedom isn't having metal detectors in the schools, or putting other people down, screaming insults at them. That's repression isn't it? Very different from freedom.

[CounslerCoffee]

so if ur at my house i can murder, rape anything i like to u because ur on my private property?

No, you cant. Murder is illegal no matter where it is committed. So is rape. But if you only want bald people on your property then you can do that, kick all the bald people off of your property.

oh freedom, running around with a white sheet on over you screaming vulgar comments at blacks. Almost as good as hate groups going to gay funerals to spread their hate, God I am so glad I don't live there.

They aren't allowed to do that, it's illegal. That's why they do it on their own property. Now if a KKK member walked up to a black woman and started smacking her and stuff then that's the members fault, not the organizations fault. Even though its possible that they influenced him to do so.

If that is freedom, you can keep it. I think I prefer living in a small country where people are laid back and accepting of people for who they are, than having to put up with the hatred groups in the US.

Yes, that's why I like Australia. But if hate groups didn't exist here then what's to stop them from calling the NAACP racist? I never see a white NAACP member, so there racist right? They only give scholarships to poor black students, isn't that right? So they must be racist. Even though they aren't.

[Asguard]

i cant find the artical on it cause it was so long ago and i am not going to pay for it:(

but the letter went something like this

"the goverment of victoria will not tolerate this sort of prediduce in our state and if it does not cease IMEDIATLY we will be prociquing ur organisation to the full exstent of the crimes act"

I LOVE the goverment:D

[Asguard]

can i claim to be a member of al kider in the US????????????

i rest my case

[CounslerCoffee]

can i claim to be a member of al kider in the US????????????

No you can't. Sorta like how if I went downtown and claimed to be part of the KKK then I would be beaten to a bloody pulp. If you claim to be a member of a terroristic organization then your going to get arrested. Why? Because your organization has taken responsibility for what its has done. Asguard, also notice that your making me defend the KKK because its a free organization. Your trying to make me sound racist to, I say goodbye to you sir.

[Asguard]

im MAKING u?

no im trying to make u see them for what they r

if u were the sort of person i THOUGHT u were u would be on MY side

[CounslerCoffee]

no im trying to make u see them for what they r

I see them for what they are, racist, pig headed, bastards. I never said that I liked the KKK. Only that I cant stop them from hating, they can hate whomever they want, its their right.

if u were the sort of person i THOUGHT u were u would be on MY side

I am on your side. Your just taking things the wrong way. You cant comprehend the fact that the USA is so free that we allow people to walk around and say "I hate black people and gay people." Being able to hate whomever you want is your right, I don't hate anyone. But if you take away the KKK's right to walk around and say those things then we would have lost more freedom, because its an opinion and your allowed to have them here.

The right to hate anyone for anything is a freedom.

[Asguard]

i can hate u but i cant haras u BECAUSE hate u

verbal assult is still asault

[CounslerCoffee]

verbal assult is still asault

Thats why its not allowed.

[Asguard]

so harasment is bad but firing someone cause of what they do in there own home with a CONCENTING ADULT isnt?

let me see if i can get this straight

if u get blown at work and someone walks in they laugh about it cause its a girl but if u walk in on me kissing someone in a bar and tell everyone at my work and i get fired thats ok????????

great country

[CounslerCoffee]

so harasment is bad but firing someone cause of what they do in there own home with a CONCENTING ADULT isnt?

For SOME private organizations it is. For most its not.

if u get blown at work and someone walks in they laugh about it cause its a girl

Nope. If your getting blown at work by a male or female your pretty much going to loose your job.

but if u walk in on me kissing someone in a bar and tell everyone at my work and i get fired thats ok????????

No its not okay. But for some clubs or organizations its not. If I joined a club for people with red hair (Meaning only people with red hair can join) and it turns out that Im wearing a wig, then I can be kicked out because I dont have real red hair. People like to be in clubs where everyone is the same.

[Asguard]

read what i said again

clubs for guys, girls, gays only rnt illegal (as much as the feminists have tried to close the melborune club)

[zanket]

I agree with most of what CounslerCoffee has said in this thread.

The U.S. has a ways to go on preventing discrimination by law. I don’t think the Klan discriminates when they disallow blacks from joining. People who accept people for who they are accept people who do not accept people for who they are.

[RichardJA]

Sigh:eek:

Coffee, if you really believe that it's ANYONE's business what people do in their private life. You are just as bad as people like Dr Laura. My only advice, get a life and stop trying to think that anyone has any right to discriminate anyone because of their PRIVATE life.

[CounslerCoffee]

Coffee, if you really believe that it's ANYONE's business what people do in their private life. You are just as bad as people like Dr Laura. My only advice, get a life and stop trying to think that anyone has any right to discriminate anyone because of their PRIVATE life.

Richard,

It's obvious that you have not read the entire thread. So to make it easy on you I put the important parts in bold.

I have said time and time again that I do not condone these things. I think its wrong and that it shouldn't be allowed. But it is a private organizations right to not allow whom they want in their club/business.

If you take away that right then anyone could join any club, some people dont like gays, so what? Screw them. You dont need to be around people like that in the first place. But it's their private organization and they are allowed to do that.

[RichardJA]

no, I have read this entire thread, and your attitude, however you try to justify it is disgusting. No group, private or public should have any right to ban someone on any prejudice, and thankfully in my country the sort of crap that happens in America, does not happen here. And I don't for one minute believe that you would sit and try to justify peoples right to be discriminate if you didn't believe it as well. people like you make me sick, I think it is time for me to take a break from this forum cause honestly, you repulse me.

I hope that some day you come up across the prejudice that your country allows. I hope some day you learn what it is like to be fired or refused something on the grounds of who you are.

[CounslerCoffee]

no, I have read this entire thread, and your attitude, however you try to justify it is disgusting. No group, private or public should have any right to ban someone on any prejudice, and thankfully in my country the sort of crap that happens in America, does not happen here. And I don't for one minute believe that you would sit and try to justify peoples right to be discriminate if you didn't believe it as well. people like you make me sick, I think it is time for me to take a break from this forum cause honestly, you repulse me.

I never said that it was right. My point is that in America people can do what they want when its their private organization. Im sorry that I repulse you but you've misunderstood everything that Ive said.

I also never said that it was right to discriminate, but it's a persons right to hate someone for color/sex/sexual preferences.

I hope that someday you come up across the prejudice that your country allows. I hope some day you learn what it is like to be fired or refused something on the grounds of who you are.

Argh! Prejudices are allowed to a point, people have the right to hate whomever they want. Do you understand that? I don't hate anyone. And Im going to say this one last time to. It is a private organizations or private company's right not to hire anyone because of sex or race. That's why it's PRIVATE.

[barbarian]

The basis for people not hiring homo-sexuals is that those people beleive that homo-sexuality is wrong (moraly, or ethicaly, or whatever...). This is their beleif.
Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with this beleif. There are people who beleive it is wrong and those who beleive it is right.
We are assuming, when saying that sexual discrimination is illegal, that everyone has determined homo-sexuality good. The law can not take the view-point of one people (those who beleive for or against it) if it is truly democratic (for all people).

[static76]

Originally posted by RichardJA
No group, private or public should have any right to ban someone on any prejudice, and thankfully in my country the sort of crap that happens in America, does not happen here.
So should the Boy Scouts be FORCED to allow girls? Should a female strip club be FORCED to allow men? Should a skydiving company be FORCED to allow handicap employees?

[Asguard]

*colapes on the floor laughing*

u do know that the BOY scouts DO alow girls????????

[RichardJA]

you might want to rephrase that to should the American Boy Scouts, because there are girls in the boy Scouts down here.

You are stupid aren't you? Really, I think you are. A person not hired based on their sexuality can do the job a handicapped person obviously can't take sky diving lessons.

God the lengths you people go to trying to hold on to your disgusting prejudice.

[Asguard]

anyway i dont care about clubs, yes the melborune club still doesnt alow females and there is a chain of gyms that doesnt alow guys

what we r talking about is a WORK PLACE

i should be able to work ANYWHERE without discrimination baised on race, skin color, sex, sexual preferance, religion or disability that doesnt efect my job

hell i wear glasses and i can get a job in the army but cause im bi i cant get a job in private industry?????

if ANYONE if for it its UR responcability to provide for me when i CANT get a job because u surport the system that put me like that

(ie no complaining about people on the dole)

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
*colapes on the floor laughing*

u do know that the BOY scouts DO alow girls????????

Yes, I know this. I remeber the trials for it and the numerous others on whether gays should be allowed. I just wanted to know what exactly Rich had a problem with.

[static76]

Originally posted by RichardJA
you might want to rephrase that to should the American Boy Scouts, because there are girls in the boy Scouts down here.

You are stupid aren't you? Really, I think you are. A person not hired based on their sexuality can do the job a handicapped person obviously can't take sky diving lessons.

God the lengths you people go to trying to hold on to your disgusting prejudice.
*Yawn*... Both you and Asguard are missing the point.

ALL of the things I just pointed out ARE happening in the US. A guy sued a gentlemen's club and won for sexual discrimination a few years ago. I remember a case in San Diego where a handicap women sued for not getting a job at a sky diving company.

The question is whether this is a good thing or not.

[Asguard]

OMG U missed the point

being a guy in a female stripers means u cant do the job (the job being arousing straight males and bi\gay females), same with someone severly handycaped

if wearing glasses doesnt exsulde me from the army (i aplied as a gun number B\W) then why in gods name would my sexual preferance effect how i COOK

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
OMG U missed the point

being a guy in a female stripers means u cant do the job (the job being arousing straight males and bi\gay females), same with someone severly handycaped

if wearing glasses doesnt exsulde me from the army (i aplied as a gun number B\W) then why in gods name would my sexual preferance effect how i COOK

NO, your proving my point.

The reason I posted those three examples is because they have happened in the US.
being a guy in a female stripers means u cant do the job (the job being arousing straight males and bi\gay females), same with someone severly handycaped
I agree, but when you have a blanket policy that doesn't allow for discrimination of any kind, these must be allowed.
if wearing glasses doesnt exsulde me from the army (i aplied as a gun number B\W) then why in gods name would my sexual preferance effect how i COOK
It has nothing to do with it, and the Army (as a public institution) should allow you in its ranks.


I don't disagree that those who discriminate based on sexuality are wrong, the question is HOW do we inact a law on this so the examples above don't happen.

That's the problem we have in the US right now.

[Asguard]

u set laws as the ground rules then APLIE for an exsemption

THAT is the way it works here

there r girl only schools and they have to have exseptions from the equal opitunity comission (not that i think the girls WANT that from those ive talked too)

[RichardJA]

Yeah, and that is the difference between NZ and America. We don't have the legal bullshit problem you have up there of people suing just so they can get money. We have a policy of no discrimination, a person can't be refused a job on the grounds of their sexuality, ethnic group, religious beliefs, physical disabilities, etc, and we don't have people looking at it to abuse to get money.

I think the problem in America is people want easy money and sue over anything.

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
u set laws as the ground rules then APLIE for an exsemption

THAT is the way it works here

there r girl only schools and they have to have exseptions from the equal opitunity comission (not that i think the girls WANT that from those ive talked too)
Good answer. But that system wouldn't work very well here in the US. More than likely, counties would be given the power to control who gets exemptions and who doesn't. With the lawyers that we have here, it would be a mess...:(

[Asguard]

huh?

countries?

the goverment IS controling who has the exemptions

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
huh?

countries?

the goverment IS controling who has the exemptions
The Federal government would make a mess of a system like this. My guess is that it would be up to either a state, county, or city board, to handle such a law.

[Asguard]

weird

the fedral goverment runs the equal opotunity comission and the state of victoria turned there juristiction over to the feds for it because they didnt want to make ANOTHER comission

[prozak]

The Klan isn't illegal.

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
weird

the fedral goverment runs the equal opotunity comission and the state of victoria turned there juristiction over to the feds for it because they didnt want to make ANOTHER comission
America is bigger and much more complex in its make up though. The Repubicans will argue for power to be given to local commisions(state, county, city), while the Democrats will agrue for a national system. Of course, Bush is the president, and the House and Senate are controlled by the Republicans, so you can guess who would win out.

NOTHING, is ever simple here. That's why I asked HOW, with the fighting between parties and the overflow of lawyers and activists, going this route would be a tall order.

[static76]

Originally posted by prozak
The Klan isn't illegal.
And they shouldn't be, they're a private organization...plus its fun to laugh at thier stupidity and clownish uniforms.:D

[Asguard]

well then its time for a change

once apon a time women couldnt vote

can now

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
well then its time for a change

once apon a time women couldnt vote

can now
Apples and Oranges. People are allowed to vote if they're gay.

[Asguard]

ur right

they just arnt alowed a job

GREAT i will swap

at least women could work

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
ur right

they just arnt alowed a job

GREAT i will swap

at least women could work
Yes, they are allowed a job, but a private company has a right to employ who they want also. Just like we have the right to boycott and protest a company that discriminates.

[Asguard]

no

im INTILED to be protected from discrimination by the GOVERMENT

thats my RIGHT

[Asguard]

ok discriminate all u like

but then DONT complaine when i have to live off the dole

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
no

im INTILED to be protected from discrimination by the GOVERMENT

thats my RIGHT
The govenment won't get involved with this, it's up to individual states and cities to decided what their communities want.

"Gay men and lesbians have historically been subjected to painful measures that would legalize discrimination: initiatives barring them from teaching in public schools, local ordinances allowing private clubs to bar them from their doors, loud and heavy lobbying against same-sex marriage laws. On the job, the discrimination often continues -- with homophobic comments and jokes, lectures about upholding The Company Image, promotions denied and jobs lost.

Although women, minorities, people older than 40 and people with disabilities now enjoy an umbrella of state and federal protections from discrimination in the workplace, gays and lesbians have, for the most part, been left out in the rain, at least at the national level. There is no federal law that specifically outlaws workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation -- in either the public or the private sector.

At the state level, however, there is more cause for hope, depending on whether the workplace is public or private. Seven states have laws prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination in public employment: Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania and Washington. Eleven states have laws prohibiting sexual orientation discrimination in both private and public jobs: California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin. The District of Columbia prohibits sexual orientation discrimination in both the public and private sectors.

If you are gay or lesbian and your state does not have a law that protects you from workplace discrimination, you may still be protected by city and county ordinances. There are 124 cities and counties that prohibit sexual orientation in the workplace -- from Albany, NY, to Ypsilanti, MI. In addition, some enlightened companies have adopted their own policies prohibiting such discrimination."

http://www.hrlawinfo.com/lawguide/Discrimination/discrimination_against_gay.asp


As I said before, local communities will decide what they want. Our government is much more de-centralized than Australia's.

[Asguard]

so tell me why what i do on my own time has to do with my work?????????

u and i work together and i see u kissing a guy and i tell everyone at work u would be ok being fired cause of that????

[static76]

Originally posted by Asguard
so tell me why what i do on my own time has to do with my work?????????

I personally have no problem working with gay people. The question isn't what I feel, but whether is supersedes what others do.

[CounslerCoffee]

This is the last time that Im going to say any of this.

so tell me why what i do on my own time has to do with my work?????????

Its wrong I know. But when its a PRIVATE organization or company then they have the right to do as they wish and fire whomever they want.

u and i work together and i see u kissing a guy and i tell everyone at work u would be ok being fired cause of that???

Look. If a woman came into work and kissed you then you could be fired for that, some office/working place rules are that no affection is allowed to be shown. That's only in certain companies though. In a different company you and another man could kiss and no one would give a damn. But if it was a PRIVATE company and they didn't like the fact that your gay then they could fire you.

[zanket]

RichardJA – I’m incredulous that your country (NZ right?) doesn’t allow private groups to bar people based on gender or religion. Are the men’s clubs there forced by law to allow women? Is the Mormon Church there barred by law from excommunicating a member who claims Mormonism is a load of crap?

Anyone - I think the U.S. has it right on private groups. They can discriminate, and they can be sued. For example, a men’s group that conducts business will soon be forced to hand over its assets to the group of women who claim they were deprived of economic opportunity. Consequently, men and women, or gays and straights, or Catholics and Mormons can still enjoy the exclusive company of their own kind as long as they harm nothing more than the sensibility of others.

Here is the U.S. law: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, prohibits discrimination ... on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin. The law covers applicants to and employees of state and local governments, public or private educational institutions, and most private employers.

Sexual orientation could be added to the list, but then why not add every other non-job related differentiation, like hobbies and favorite ice cream? Where would it stop? I would change the law to “on the basis of anything unrelated to the job” and let the lawyers fight the profitable claims. It works that way now despite how the law reads.

[Thor]

Asguard, what about Positive Discrimination. This is unfair and wrong, but it is encouraged by most governments INCLUDING the Austrailian

For those who don't know what PD is, here's a hypothetical scenario

Two men are running for the same job, one white, one black. The white man is more qualified and has proven that he can do the job better than the black man. The black man gets hired.

This has happened alot with my mum, she has been looking for a decent job for years now and because of many companies Positive Discrimination approach, she is losing out, I am losing out.
It is unfair, unjust and pisses me off.

Also, Asguard I have a small request. Could you please stop typing like a 5 year old, it took me 15 minutes to read all of your stuff when it should only take me 5. Thank you

[Zero]

Amen to that. Asguard needs to type with more effort. its s annynig t rd sht lk this.

[Asguard]

your right thor (not about me typing like a 5 year old, that hurt my friend:()

dad used to work at the department of defence surport (which now no longer exists) in recruitment and if a guy and a girl were going for the job with the same qualifacations ect then the girl got the job

it IS wrong

and if ur talking about spelling mesakes I CANT HELP IT

as for saying "u" who cares everyone knows that u means u and its a HELL of a lot faster to write when ur talking to 4 people and they are complaining your ignoring them

[prozak]

Discriminating against people who made certain decisions, or whose ancestors made certain decisions, is our only way of effecting society as a whole as companies and individuals with money. We should be able to hire/not hire and use/not use any companies or individuals we like!

[RichardJA]

Asguard,

I've changed my mind. I now agree with discrimination against gays in the military.

It's very easy. Think about it. The US is bullying a number of countries, sooner or latter these countries will get together and go after the US. The easiest way is when America attacks Iraq, is for the Arabs to attack Israel, The Chinese to attack Taiwan, North Korea to Attack South Korea.

Now, the US will have to send all their military off to get killed, leaving only gay people in America. Imagine gays running the US, it will be all love and peace.

Hey, it works for me :D

[Asguard]

hey i just realised something

i could never be called for millatary service

WHOOOOOOOOOOO:D

[RichardJA]

I can :mad: damn my military for being gay friendly :mad: Oh well, I can still run

Oh, Zanket, you might learn something if you ever came here. what it's like to live in a free country :D

I wonder how many people here realise how high the rate of suicide is amongst homosexual youth and adults because of the shit they have to put up with for being who they are.

[Asguard]

dont worrie ur too little to be bothered:p
after all who would want NZ:p

anyway try this:

untill recently i was to scared to admit i even LIKED guys

i used to day dream about kissing whoever was in the room but i was scared that is wrong

mainly because of a friend of mine at school

he has matured now and we r great friends (and yes he knows)

HOW DARE SOCIATY make me scared of ME


a friend of mine is scared of telling his parents cause he knows they r homphobes and his dad already tried to kill him WITHOUT knowing

who here is scared of walking down a street and yelling "I LIKE GIRLS"?

ok everyone would LOOK at u like a nut if u did it but they would be like so what

if it was guys however u have to fear for ur life

[RichardJA]

That's the best part of being a kiwi, we are safe here :D I think we have closer ties with China now than with the US

:( that's awful about the father trying to kill your friend. Sigh, It always pisses me off the amount of people who has a parent disown them. If I was him, I would just not bother with his parents, I gather he isn't close to them anyway?

I used to do some online support for gay youth, four years, haven't done it the past year, it was just too much on me. I still help people, but not as much as I used to. Must get back to it, just needed a break from all pain that people were going through.

A friend in the US put it perfectly. He wants to walk down the street holding his boyfriends hand without the fear of being killed.

[RichardJA]

Asguard, prepare to be pissed off.

It's alright to ban gays from the military in peace times, but wait, what if America goes to war?

After two Democratic congressmen proposed this week a reinstatement of the national draft for military service, the primary architect of the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy said it should be scrapped in the event of a draft.

http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?2003/01/03/3

[Asguard]

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA

what happened to gays being a destabalising force?

[Xev]

Sigh

Coffee, if you really believe that it's ANYONE's business what people do in their private life. You are just as bad as people like Dr Laura. My only advice, get a life and stop trying to think that anyone has any right to discriminate anyone because of their PRIVATE life.

Don't rag Coffee, he's one of the most tolerent people I know. He doesn't hate anyone for their sexuality or nationality, which is more than you and Asguard can say for yourselves.

who here is scared of walking down a street and yelling "I LIKE GIRLS"?

I'm not, and a good two thirds of my sexual practices could end up with either I or my partner being arrested.

Whinge, whinge, whinge.

[Asguard]

that doent bother u?

that someone else wants to stick there nose into what 2 concenting ADULTS do

(unless ur saying ur BF is 12 in which case u SHOULD be locked up)

i think i will open a bar where no people who have ever given or recived head can work

[Xev]

that someone else wants to stick there nose into what 2 concenting ADULTS do

Well I think I'm being discriminated against too. I think all assault and battery laws should be taken off the books, and I should be compensated for my time with a nice strawberry daquiri and a Porsche.

I'm attracted to women. I'm sure that if I walked down the street yelling this tomorrow, I'd get more applause than I would censure. Which is really why I don't make a big thing about my bisexuality. If you aren't hated for your deviance, what's the bloody point of it? :)

So quit whining, because life could be worse. You could be infected by Guinea worms.

(unless ur saying ur BF is 12 in which case u SHOULD be locked up)

Irrelevent attempt at personal attack ignored.

i think i will open a bar where no people who have ever given or recived head can work

Go ahead. Watch it picketed. Watch nobody come. Watch yourself lose money.

It's called capitolism.

[Asguard]

right sure

i will tell that to my friend when his father kills him

[Xev]

What does your friend's abusive father have to do with free market capitolism?

[RichardJA]

I think the one thing worse than prejudice, is those that accept it, sit back and do nothing.

[Asguard]

APATHY, IGNORANCE AND GREED

[Xev]

Richard:

Oh hardly. I've declared eternal war against the obscene, slavish prejudices that inspire discrimination because of irrelevent things like sexual orientation. However, I've yet to see a reason why we should fuck with the free market. All I see are various appeals to emotion.

Well boo-hoo! You don't like the consequences of 2000 years of this absurdity? Do something about it. (Besides whinge). Sitting around insulting Americans and whining about how heavy your chains are won't change the fact that you're wearing them.

[CounslerCoffee]

Richard:
Now, the US will have to send all their military off to get killed, leaving only gay people in America. Imagine gays running the US, it will be all love and peace.

How do you know that? That statement is insulting to straight people. To say that all straight people are the cause of war and crime.... Now that's racist Richard.

Richard:
I think the one thing worse than prejudice, is those that accept it, sit back and do nothing.

I agree. That's why people boycott and such. Like Xev said. No one will come to your business, no one will buy anything from you, and everyone would flock to where your business is and yell at you. That's capitalism.

[zanket]

RichardJA – NZ doesn’t sound like a free country if people there aren’t free to form truly private groups. Mind answering my questions about men’s clubs and churches there? I see lots of NZ men’s clubs online. Are they really unisex?

[Xev]

How do you know that? That statement is insulting to straight people. To say that all straight people are the cause of war and crime.... Now that's racist Richard.

No, he's got a point. They'd be too busy making sure that the upholstery of their couches didn't clash with their drapes that there wouldn't be time to kill each other. :D

[zanket]

Some U.S. states are filled with hicks itching to give gays a beating. In Seattle, couples hold hands in public whether gay or not. Businesses here dare not discriminate for fear of bankruptcy.

[RichardJA]

I find gays more accepting and peaceful than a bunch of homophobic people harassing, beating up, spitting on people because of their sexuality.

Like I said Zanket, come to NZ and you will find a free place. People don't give a stuff about the sort of things you have there. We are far too busy being laid back. Maybe in America having one gender places is a big thing, but here no one gives a stuff. different kind of cultures I guess

Gay business do very well. It's only natural, gays have more disposable money than their counterparts who have families and kids. It's called pink money, big business here.

I'm glad I insulted you coffee, maybe now you know what half the stuff you wrote in this post was like for Asguard and myself to read

[CounslerCoffee]

Some U.S. states are filled with hicks itching to give gays a beating. In Seattle, couples hold hands in public whether gay or not. Businesses here dare not discriminate for fear of bankruptcy.

Which states are these Zanket? And how would you know? Your generalizing.

[Asguard]

forget it

they arnt worth it

i gave up on xev AGES ago

all i can say is HAHHAHAHAHA yes everyone envys american "freedom" or should we say slavery to the $$

APATHY, IGNORANCE AND GREED

thats all it is people

the root of all evil is apathy, ignorance and greed

[Xev]

I'm glad I insulted you coffee, maybe now you know what half the stuff you wrote in this post was like for Asguard and myself to read

Oh cry me a river. You and Asguard have insulted every American on this board in the Politics forum and now you're complaining about your hurt widdle feelings?

Coffee is incredibly cool, and obviously has no problem with deviant forms of sexuality. You, on the other hand, are overly emotional and should take care not to insult your betters.

You as well, Anthony, are hardly in a position to attack Coffee after all the nasty things you've said.

The two of you ought to remember that bullying Coffee just shows how weak you are.

[Xev]

Coffee, when you hit a guy covered by mud, your fist gets dirty. Don't even dignify that with a response.

[zanket]

RichardJA – So the NZ men’s clubs may not bar women, and the Mormons there may not excommunicate a member who declares Mormonism is crap? These are not rhetorical questions. Can you answer?

[Asguard]

right

i hate all americans

sure

i DARE u to say i hate pine_net xev

as for MY tolerance

IM THE MOD, i could have removed ANY of ur posts if i wanted
but i dont BECAUSE u have the right to be STUPID if u so desire

[Xev]

Anthony, you will not edit my un-offensive posts because Dave would remove your moderater status if you abused it. I'm quite aware that you don't like me, but you will not harass me because you are not allowed to.

It's not a favor, it's your duty as a moderater.

Of course, half of my posts are worthy of editing for language, but then, you'd just look like a fool. :D

I didn't say you hated all Americans, I said that you and your friend have insulted all of us. And you have.

[zanket]

CounslerCoffee – Idaho and Montana. Because I lived there. Of course I’m generalizing.

[CounslerCoffee]

CounslerCoffee – Idaho and Montana. Because I lived there. Of course I’m generalizing.

Okay.:D You can say that becuase your from there and you know what its like. But if you had said Kentucky then you would of been wrong.

[zanket]

Kentucky rocks. The Cincinnati airport anyway. That’s as much as I saw.

[Asguard]

to insult someone they must be INSULTED

again bill, and a few others like pollex who happen to HAVE a BRAIN

[RichardJA]

Xev, I never knew the truth could be insulting. Poor Americans can't take the truth. It's bully to try show someone where their thoughts are wrong. Hmmmm, no wonder you are so down on gay rights, you don't have the balls to stand up to people like them.

How many friends you had beaten up because of their sexuality Xev? How many have been put in hospital cause some homophobic decided they didn't like them holding another guys hand? Maybe when you start having too see friends go through that then you will understand why Asguard and I are so against prejudice.

Yeah, I agree Asguard, they aren't worth it

[Xev]

Asguard:

Your poor English has made you completely incomprehensible this time - perhaps you could clarify a bit? Why is an insult not an insult because not everyone is insulted?

Richard:

How many friends you had beaten up because of their sexuality Xev? How many have been put in hospital cause some homophobic decided they didn't like them holding another guys hand? Maybe when you start having too see friends go through that then you will understand why Asguard and I are so against prejudice.

I hardly think that my private life is relevent. However, you'll note that I'm hardly a fan of prejudice, being bisexual myself. I'm also not a fan of your irrational ranting, so if you have nothing better to say...

[zanket]

I guess I’ll have to assume, having no info to the contrary, that NZ allows discrimination by churches and men’s clubs and possibly in other ways at the whim of some authority.

[Asguard]

i will speak slowly just for u xev

an INSULT

requires someone to be INSULTED

as u said i insulted ur whole country ur WRONG as i can name at LEAST 2 americans of the top of my head who AGREE with me

[prozak]

Prejudice and discrimination are great, if used correctly. I never work with Christians, hire Christians or date Christians. Why? Because in my view, Christianity is the most twisted and useless religion ever, and I don't want to associate with it.

Some would call that "hate" and "prejudice" but I'd call it my personal integrity at work :)

[Xev]

as u said i insulted ur whole country ur WRONG as i can name at LEAST 2 americans of the top of my head who AGREE with me

So? I'll laugh at jokes about women.

edit

Dude, I'm laughing. Does this mean that none of these insult women? Hardly

[Asguard]

however it does mean they dont insult U (and im deleting them in too secs)

u acused me of insulting EVERY american

well ur wrong

[Xev]

You called us all "evil". 'Tis an insult.

[Asguard]

whatever

[Xev]

Oh and Anthony, by what logic do you edit my post? I don't believe any violated the TOS..

[Asguard]

huh?

ask star if i should have left it there

[Xev]

She's not moderator. You are. Please show me where I violated the terms of service.

[Asguard]

congrats xev

u destroyed the thread

i belive it says when u register that mods and admin can edit WITHOUT reasons

i DONT have to justify it to u, u dont like it go to dave

[Xev]

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As you can see, you can edit my posts for spite, but you're failing as a mod in doing so.

Just pointing out...:m:

[Asguard]

"sexually- orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws"

i belive U answered ur own question

[Xev]

I think only the joke about rape victims could be considered "sexually oriented". The rest was perfectly fine.

[prozak]

Regardless... those jokes were central to Xevious' point.

It seems to me:

1) Editing that message was unwise
2) This place is more person-to-person combative than it was the last time I frequented it, probably a month or more ago.

Why you should listen to me: I have no friends or allies here, and no real stake in its future, and I've got a bit of experience with such things.

The board I cosysop is bbs.anus.com

You can see pictures of me naked here www.ladyboylovers.com

I'm the African-American/Kurdish hybrid.

[CounslerCoffee]

I just love to wake up in the morning and have 20 email all about one thread, waiting in my mailbox.

"sexually- orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws"

i belive U answered ur own question

Well, I want all of the things that you said about America edited out of your post. You called us evil, and in the WE&P forum you called us ignorant. I wonder who that new quote is directed at to?

[Xev]

For the record, I posted:

"What's black and blue and hates sex all over?
A rape victim

What do 3 million battered women do wrong every year?
They don't fuckin' listen!

What do you say to a woman with two black eyes?
Nothin' you ain't done told her twice"

As you can see, only #1 can be called "sexually oriented". None can be considered hateful, I'm not threatening to rape or beat any of y'all (you're not my type, and I can't rape anyone, I'm a chick). None violate any laws.

[A4Ever]

In Belgium at least, girls can rape other people. The definition of rape is a sexual penetration against the will of the victim.

So if you put your finger in a girls private parts and she doesn't want that, it's rape.

I hope this makes you feel better as a woman. Equal rights I say! :)

[Asguard]

This will remain here but has been closed dew to sever off topic-ness:p