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Duffy72
08-03-02, 07:29 AM
I managed to catch a bit of info on Radio 4 recently, and although I heard the line... the earths magnetic fields are changing, I lost reception and could not get it back!
Does anyone know anthing about this, and if so, can someone post a link? I am desparate to know more...
Thanks.
Asguard
08-03-02, 09:31 AM
the magnetic field is not stable
it changes all the time but i herd something that said that we are likly to have the polls switch soon
don't rember why
Enqrypzion
08-03-02, 01:38 PM
I thought they based that on geological research.. the way really small magnetic particles in sediments are polarized (polarised?) shows that about every 750.000 years (don't pin me on that one) the magnetic field flips, making the magnetic south pole the magnetic north pole and vice versa. As this happend last a little over 750.000 years ago (again not sure!), it should happen sometime soon... maybe someone who's more into the stff can tell more?
Duffy72
08-03-02, 02:11 PM
I am trying to find out more, but I have yet to find out what I need to know.
If this was to happen, does anyone know the consquences?
Enqrypzion
08-03-02, 02:57 PM
well there are countless.. a few I could think of in 5 minutes:
- all compasses work the wrong way; satellites will mess their orbit up, crashing on earth..
- (small) earthquakes due to the moving of all polarized/magnetic materials out there?
- some birds or other animals 'knowing their go-about' by magnetism might get lost..
- more compass problems, maybe some other climatological changes..
well i suppose there is more to think of
Duffy72
08-03-02, 03:02 PM
Anything catastrophic?
Enqrypzion
08-03-02, 04:05 PM
guess not, maybe an occasional satellite hitting tha head
Hi will try and find some stuff. But the report I heard said the scientists expected it soon, sometime in the next 5,000 to 10,000 years! (If a geophysicist says they will phone back soon - dont expect to hear from them :-)
Also no one is quite sure how long it takes to switch. We are reasonable sure it is less than 100 years, but we dont know if it takes 10 years or 10 minutes.
Pine_net
08-05-02, 04:18 PM
Questions:
1.) Where did the earth get it's magnetic field?
2.) Is there evidence of past pole shifting?
3.) Why would the earths poles move and where would they go?
4.) Could we survive such an event?
Some of this is talked about in another thread of mine. Click here (http://www.sciforums.com/t9742/s/thread.html) to check it out.
Peace
Originally posted by Pine_net
Questions:
1.) Where did the earth get it's magnetic field?
2.) Is there evidence of past pole shifting?
3.) Why would the earths poles move and where would they go?
4.) Could we survive such an event?
Some of this is talked about in another thread of mine. Click here (http://www.sciforums.com/t9742/s/thread.html) to check it out.
Peace
1.) Where did the earth get it's magnetic field?
In simple terms the current <grin> theory is that the magma below the earths surface "boils" in loops. These contain enough charge to make a magnet.
2.) Is there evidence of past pole shifting?
As continents drift apart there are some magnetic materials deposited at the rifts as these cool they preserve a record of the field direction at the time they solidified. Mapping these and checking in different sites around the world shows the poles have reversed a few dozen times.
3.) Why would the earths poles move and where would they go?
Good question as to why. As for going they tend to end up near the poles! After the event is over the north pole becomes the south pole and vice versa, more or less.
How it gets there is still disputed. It could fade out and then reappear reversed. Or it could keep its strength and wander down past the equator. It seems to change too fast for the record described in 2 to give convincing evidence.
4.) Could we survive such an event?
Well dinosaurs and a few ancesters survived prior reversals. Though there is some evidence that some species ended at around the same time as the reversals, so it may be a bumpy ride. On the other hand the thing that caused the extinctions may be unrelated, but triggered the pole reversal.
MRC_Hans
08-09-02, 02:47 PM
A pole reversal would be a rather beneign thing. We'd have to readjust our compasses, but I dont think birds would be affected, they use compass only on a relative level, that is, "I went this way out, so I go the opposite way back", ---as far as we know, that is. Sattelites are not affected, they are governed by gravity, that has naught to do with magnetics.
We'll survive. All of us.
Hans
"Magnetic" pole reversals do not happen like clockwork. They can occur as often as every 12,000 or 60,000 years. The danger is the unprotected exposure to radiation while the electromagnetic field is near 0. The electromagnetic field bends many wavelengths and solar winds away from the Earth's surface.
A pole shift is another matter. Like watching a gyroscope slow down and produce a sudden tiny wobble or take on a 20 degree tilt. The earth's axis can be prone to such perturbations from a number of internal and external forces such as: 2 mile thick glaciers halfway to the equator, sun's gravity, differential rotation of core and mantle, asteroid strike, etc.
"Geographical" pole shifts tend to be catacysmic.
Welcome to sciforums, Dwayne D.L.Rabon.
I am afraid that I don't agree with you and you will have to show some sources on this.
...this warming of the earth caused by nuclear testing in the south pacfic...
When was radation acknowledged as being the source of a warming increase and why only in the south pacific? There have been many places that nuclear testing has occured and scientists still have not agreed that any warming above average has occured or is abnormally high considering the history of the earth.
The magnetic field is generated by hydrogen and helium at the earths core, where it is very cold, and little pressure.
How did you arrive at the idea the center of the earth's core is cold?
...currently because of the ozone and el Nino warming the earth the core has broken its hold and the recent solar switch has kicked the earth poles off to start the coming ice age and pole switch...
Please show sources where ozone has anything to do with warming the earths core, much less El Nino.
...if the earth contiunes to warm from the radation in the sea and the radation from the ozone hole ...
Please show sources where the sea is radioactive, beyond normal background radation or where the ozone hole has anything to do with it.
Enqrypzion
10-03-02, 11:35 AM
wth howdydoody that isn't readable at all :(
Man, I'd love to meet our dear friend Dwayne here in real life. I wonder what he looks like?
Maybe he's squirrely, with long unkempt hair and a four-day old beard. Maybe he smells funny because he hasn't showered in five days, and prefers to use women's perfume to repel the homosexual aliens in his closet that want to abuse him sexually. Perhaps he drinks heavily to fight the shakes.
I've never met someone so delusional in my entire life... I just have no idea how they look or act.
What's really funny is that I just posted my 12 Step Crackpot program on the Science & Society forum, and then I stop in here. I think Dwayne is on Step 9, working rapidly towards Step 10. Let's see how he does.
- Warren
Dwayne concludes:
El Nino and the ozone hole go hand in hand, as a result of nuclear testing.
In the year 1891, Senor Dr Luis Carranza, President of the Lima Geographical Society, contributed a small article to the Bulletin of that Society, calling attention to the fact that a countercurrent flowing from north to south had been observed between the ports of Paita and Pacasmayo.The Paita sailors, who frequently navigate along the coast in small craft, either to the north or the south of that port, name this countercurrent the current of "El Niño" (the child Jesus) because it has been observed to appear immediately after Christmas.
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/%7Ekessler/occasionally-asked-questions.html#q2
I wasn't aware nuclear testing was being conducted back in the late 1800's.
The ozone depletion process begins when CFC's (Chlorofluorocarbons: compounds consisting of chlorine, fluorine, and carbon) and other ODS (Ozone Depleting Substances: halons, methyl bromides, carbon tetrachlorides, methyl chloroforms, etc.) are emitted into the atmosphere.
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/process.html
In your opinion, are these elements (CFC, ODS) the result of nuclear testing ?
Ah (Q), you stole my thunder...
Dwayne D.L.Rabon, what I was asking for was some form of scientific links where I could arrive at my own opinion through reading of factual data, other than what you yourself have proposed. You will notice that (Q) has done so that you might see whence his stance came from.
If you write or claim theory or factual data, you should be prepared to show evidence of where you arrive at your conclusions. Proof always rests with the claimant...
Dwayne rails:
BY the way i do not appreicate your slanders, iif you disagree then you just state so rather than useing such foul slander. plainly you foul words won't change a fact.
in fact i was so insulted by the sure ignornce of the comments and sarcasim that i think that i will leave you to play with your iron magnets and guessing games.
So, but pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument, you fly off the handle accusing us of insults. I instead, could have said something like, "Dwayne the bathtub, I'm dwowning." At least then you'd have something to complain about. :D
You need to show us there is a definitive link between el nino, the ozone and nuclear testing, without just using anecdotes. Provide some supporting evidence to back up your theory and maybe you'll change our minds. So far, you've not done that.
Not everyone responds in the same way, Dwayne. However, when claims are made then there should be something to go with it. As I stated at the onset, I do not agree.
Later when I have some time I will see if I can find something from the sites where the images came from that supports your claim as you did not see fit to respond with complete links that connect your statements to supportable facts.
I guess one of the problems I have here is that radation is stronger where it is concentrated. To have radation scattered to the four winds, so to say, dilutes the effects one heck of a lot.
As (Q) mentioned, El Nino and La Nina have been around for a long time. Far longer than we have had nuclear capability. Further, background radation has been present, on the earth for as long as the earth has been here. The seas show no increase of radation, that has been reported, to my knowledge. Not only has background radation been here but so has nuclear radation. It has been below the crust for just as long. There is no evidence that I know of shown where this problem has shown up before.
Lastly, I suspect that you have no verifiable background info to share or you would have done so by now. Verifiable background info is important for linkage to reputable science which is why I had asked for this several times before. Upon this ability, hinges the veracity of your ideas. Without some sort of studies that show there is the possibility to link to your claim, it devolves your claim into nothing as it can not be supported. I do not have all the answers. I am willing to learn new things. That does not mean that I will travel to the witch doctor to learn medicene. It is show and tell time...
Dwayne
i do not intend to provide a histroy of atomic science.
That is completely unnecessary. What you need to provide is the link between the ozone, el nino, and nuclear testing in order for your argument to have any validity. I don't see that.
i assume that i will have to exsplain the entire creation of the earth
No need, here are a few basics which you might find useful:
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/press_releases/song/basic-facts.html
to exsplain that the earths core is hallow and it's magnetic field are created by hydrogen and helium
The Earth's core consists of a fluid outer core and a solid inner core. Because the outer core contains iron, when it flows it generates a magnetic field. This is the source of the Earth's magnetic field.
Between the mantle and the inner core is a fluid layer, the outer core. According to generally accepted theory -- the dynamo theory -- interactions between the churning, twisting flow of molten material in the outer core and the magnetic field generate electrical current that, in turn, creates new magnetic energy that sustains the field.
http://www.psc.edu/science/Glatzmaier/glatzmaier.html
For the first link, I was redirected to the home page for Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results. Being as my time at present is limited, I must ask what it is you wish for me to look at on the home page as there seems to be quite a few choices.
The second link goes to blast pressures at a given radius for a given size blast. These are normally used to determine what would be left standing after the blast had occurred. In other words, training material.
The last link deals with the effects of a bomb blast and the radiation. How long it takes to disperse the radiation. I did notice that there is a disagreement between the sites. One says that the radiation will stay in the upper atmosphere for “tens of years” the other says that it falls out relatively quickly. Nowhere did I see connection to El Nino. Nowhere did I see connection to the ozone hole.
On the picture posted on currents, one can obtain this from any ocean current site that gives such data. Given the volume and the depth of the oceans, that is a lot of water to disperse radiation. How does this link to the El Nino currents? In my opinion, the currents would carry any radiation global wide and not concentrate it in one area, such as the intermittent El Nino current.
Hydrogen and helium are superconductors only when they are supercooled. You will again have to show where this is the case in the earth's core. (Q) has already shown where this is not so.
I will agree that any radiation from nuclear fallout is not a good thing. I fail to see where this is triggering ozone depletion, as your links do not mention anything about this. Nor does it mention anything about El Nino.
I am not heckling you but asking you to show where studies have linked this to what you claim. Without that linkage you are spinning your wheels. I thought it fair that you be given a chance to show where this was possible. As I stated earlier, I don’t know it all and am willing to learn, but you have to show the connections and so far you have failed at it.
If it helps, we have experienced a solar magentic pole shift within the last year or so.
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlines/images/sunflip/ssn_predict_s.gif
Magnetic Field Change (http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm)
plainly common sense illustates that nuclear weapons spread radation that is harmful. and damaging to the enviorment.
In my last post I stated
I will agree that any radiation from nuclear fallout is not a good thing.
Nor have I argued to the contrary.
Simply just because you perfer to agrue denial of facts it will not sovle the problem, you win nothing and neither does anybody that relies on you.
I argued for presentation of facts. Quite different from denial. I have asked you to present the facts that connect your claims to what is. You have shown that you can with the solar links. By omission, you have shown you can not support your stance with the connection to El Nino and the Ozone. What can I say? It was your claim and your assertion.
Dwayne
Plainly if you understood the laws of gravity you would know that thier is no way that the earths core could be soild
furthur if your branch of study was different if field of study for instance cosmic or universe you would know that universal forces such as the universal backgroung constant does not allow for such event of a soild core.
When earthquakes occur around the world, they create waves which can be detected in various other parts of the world. Some of these waves travel ONLY through solid materials. If the Earth's core were hollow, these waves could not be detected.
http://www.seismo.unr.edu/ftp/pub/louie/class/100/interior.html
Q's argument is redundant, and ametrure
At least I have an argument. At first , you piqued my interest with your theory linking nuclear testing to that of el nino and the ozone. But you've not shown any evidence whatsoever to support your claims. Now you're claiming the Earth is hollow.
Sorry Dwayne, but it's becoming increasingly more difficult to take you seriously.
Plainly if you understood the laws of gravity
I just can't help asking...
How do "the laws of gravity" lead to your conclusion that the earth's core is... let's see... a hollow, cool, void with (incompatibly) superconducting metallic hydrogen (and helium)? Please include the terms "hydrostatic equilibrium" and "convective transport," with their appropriate, scientifically accepted definitions.
Let's see:
1) You don't understand gravity.
2) You don't understand radioactivity.
3) You don't understand climatology.
4) You don't understand solar models.
5) You don't understand electromagnetism.
6) You don't understand energy.
7) You don't understand geology.
...I'm sure there are more fields you don't understand, too.
What's really funny is that Frencheezy is picking on Dwayne. It's like watching a second-grader picking on a first-grader -- it shouldn't be funny, but it is. Be careful, Freencheezy -- you're going to end up like Dwayne if you don't.
- Warren
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
in a ice age caused by the weaking of the magnetic field of earth
What evidence do you have that the Earth's global climate is controlled by its magnetic fields?
Most climatologists seem to think the problem is a lot more complicated than that.
and during the development of the ice age, the seas of earth will begin to become ice bergs, simular to the artic circle, this will occur over the vast area of the earth, with ice berges forming on land and coverin large regions of the worlds surface land area, in some areas the ice bergs will reach a hieght of 14,000 ft or 5,000 meters.
Last I heard in the last ice age the ice sheets only got as far as Northern Europe.
as the internal earth is warm by lava flow and the inversed field, or magnetic field forced back on its self the oceans underneath will still be water in many places.
So where did the ice come from then. You might not be aware but ice occupies about the same volume as water. To get global ice sheets 5 Km thick you need the same amount of water. Put another way, this only works in a water world.
what this means is that much of the world will be covered in ice that will reach as tall as the average mountain of the world, simply places like england will be covered in ice.
Please give a viable working model on how this works?
Ice ages are responsible for much of the look of the lanscape of the majority of the world, including the grand canyon which was made in the last ice age
Nope. The Grand Canyon was formed by the Colarado river cutting through the rock.
, many of the forjd or norway,
That much is right. I suggest you compare the Fjords and valleys carved by glaciers to other valleys no where near glaciers. They are hugely different leading most geologists to think they where formed differently. Think rift valley Vs. Fjord.
and famous landscapes and vallys were carved out by the melting ice
You evidence please?
, due to the event of the ice ages caused by pole switches of earth magnetic field
Evidence?
the surface of the earth is actually a very new one being less about 5,000 years old, and new surface earth is made after every ice age.
This is so wrong it's ludicrous. There are mountains with rocks dating back 4 billion years. Homo Neanderthals roamed Europe 10,000+ years ago during an ice age. They did not live on top of 5 Km deep ice sheets.
Not only does this ice form the land by melting ice berges, but it compresses the land, entire contients, as well as pushes them to form moutain ranges, such as the west coast of the UNITED STATES, the Himalaya mountains ect..,[quote]
I see you don't subscribe to plate tectonics and the effects of subduction zones then?
Pray tell, how exactly does ice do this. Last I saw rock was considerably less compressible than ice.
[quote] contients such as europe, that are still rising out of the ocean are places where the ice has compressed the earth with its weight,
Three things,
1. Europe is geologically stable, mostly.
2. Make your mind up. Are we compressed or rising.
3. What about rift valleys on plate boundaries and Earthquake zones. How do you explain the San Andreas fault or Iceland for example.
these regions undoubtly were under large ice bergs with a heigth near 5,000meters or greater, the actual maxium that could be reached by such a ice berg is 9 miles or 15,000 meters.
See above.
this is the type of ice age that creats a new surface with every pole switch.
Where is the evidence?
the ice age and polar switch will also change the equinox of the earth to a much large motion
I think English is not your language, so Ill cut you some slack. Please look up Equinox in your language and get back to us on this point.
[quote],in stead of 46(23) or so degrees of motion the the earth will gain motion of 96 (46) this means that the earth will nearly
turn from north to south by a complete right angle,
Same here, the grammatical structure and general gibberishness usually comes from writing English in whatever grammatical structure you are used to.
BTW, check up Earth's Axial Tilt as well.
not to fear though as the earths speed or rotation will also increase which will prevent the earth from tipping over, we are lucky.
Ah, you are serious then. What you posit can not happen unless the Earth was hit by something large.
this motion change will cause the ice berges to break up here and there, most water will be wild water on any sea.
On the basis that the previous 'work' is based on wild speculation I wouldn't worry that much.
one of the draw backs is that with a increased speed of earths rotation and equinox most people that walk upright will have to walk on all fours to survive,
Go on, tell me why? Please? Increased Gravity or centrigugal forces.
the enviorment would a ease for a snake. and also the day will be much shorter about 12 to 16 hours complete rotation time, 7 hours day light.
At last, a logical connection. Increase rotation = shorter day. But as there is no need to increase rotation...
after the poles return this motion of earth will be what shapes the earths landscape after the ice kind of giving it a buff and polish shine job. one thing good that can be said about the new field polarity is that it will be stronger and food and animals will grow bigger, and much of the larger areas of land mass we see to day will yield greater crops ect...,
But everything will be crushed by the increased rotation. Crops won't grow, the animals won't move. It's a total disastor.
BTW, why do you think increasing magnetic field strength increases food productivity?
Kind of sounds like the riddle of the sphinks.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Kind of sounds like you have no idea what you are talking about.
I thought water expands when it freezes. *shrug*
That's THED by the way.
Dwayne, your the one posing a radically different scenario to global geology and it's features. So the onus is on you to prove your theory that every 5,000 years the Earth is covered in Kilometers deep ice sheets that creates a new surface. It is up to you to prove those sheets can get that big, that the rotation of the Earth speeds up to compensate for the axial tilt being changed and even that it would change. It is up to you to prove that the weight of these sheets is enough to compress the crust. It is up to you to prove the Earth's magnetic field has such a large effect in climate.
This is so far off the scale my bogosity meter is more than pegged, it broke the peg.
Pine_net
10-09-02, 10:00 AM
Well, being a quartermaster in the USN has got to count for something! so here goes my little talk on the earths magnetic field.
In it's simplest terms, the earth can be thought of as a dipole magnet. Charged particles become traped along the magnetic field lines forming the magnetosphere.
The magnetosphere extends into the vacuum of space from approximately 80 to 60,000 kilometers (50 to 37,280 miles) on the side toward the Sun, and trails out more than 300,000 kilometers (186,500 miles) away from the Sun.
Now this is all well and good, but an interesting question pops up.
What is the earths core really made of?
Some new and startling insights into the makeup of the earths core could be very near on the horizon. The standard school of thought is that the earths core is made up of predominantly Iron metal (Fe). We find it has a significant amount of the element Nickel (Ni, about 4%) and a light element to make it less dense (about 10% by mass). This light element is either mostly oxygen or sulfur, with the arguments for oxygen (too detailed to go into here) being more believable in general.
But there are others who believe a much more radical view of the core. Earth, says geophysicist J. Marvin Herndon, is a gigantic natural nuclear power plant. We live on its thick shield, while 4,000 miles below our feet a five-mile-wide ball of uranium burns, churns, and reacts, creating the planet's magnetic field as well as the heat that powers volcanoes and continental-plate movements.
It's hard to say what camp I sit in. I guess it's really just a work in progress.
The magnetosphere affects how much radiation from the Sun and from space bombards our planet; this must have very large effects over a long time. It affects how animals migrate and such. I have heard theories that the magnetosphere on Mars was possibly disrupted by a large impact, or that the cooling of that planet's interior simply shut down the magnetosphere because there was no longer any liquid metal circulating, and then radiation was able to bake the place. *shrug*
Dwayne
So lets talk about whos going to be alive!
Instead, let's talk about who's going to agree with your claims. Cite some supporting observational evidence. Without that, you're just flapping your gums in the breeze.
Dwayne
i assume that for you Q i would have to post the events of the suns activities, the record of the sea floor, etc...
No Dwayne, you must post evidence which support your extraordinary claims, of which you've made many, and which fly in the face of accepted theory and observational evidence.
name a point of evidence that you do see to understand its connnection. i locate it.
I already have asked for references, others have as well. You've not provided any references which support your claims.
just to point i will see if ican find you information on the super volcanos of earth.
I'm not interested in super volcanoes. I'm interested in your evidence which I have already outlined. Please go back through this thread and read for yourself.
By the way do you take the time to read my post?
Yes I have read your posts, all of them. Why do you think I constantly ask you to verify your claims with supporting evidence. I get the feeling it is you who is not reading our posts.
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
Well fo those that are looking for a awnser that fail to understand that what i have said is true then i suppose that they will have to do the time in reading and observation and math.
The fact is that the evidence has been given and it is not easily discredited. and will not be discredited.
the event of you to take addtion or accept the fact is your hardship.
plainly i have stated the obvious.
here i have more evidence for you
1) You've presented no evidence. You've presented a long string of delusional opinions. Your inability to understand the definition of evidence is what squarely identifies you as a crackpot.
2) If you can't tell us what to read, observe, or calculate, we certainly can't appreciate your view.
3) There's nothing obvious about anything you've said.
- Warren
do you need ne to state a formula
Yes, Dwayne. Please state a formula for us.
NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE
Did your caps lock key get stuck there, Dwayne? It seems rather funny you'd say that volcanoes don't exist... since Venus, Earth, and Io all have active volcanism. Hell, you can walk up to a volcano on any continent you'd like on this planet. Mars, the Moon, and many other bodies also show evidence of extinct volcanism.
Since they're all cold inside, could you please explain the origin of the hot lava we see flowing down the sides of these volcanoes that don't exist here on earth?
- Warren
But wait, Dwayne, didn't you just say that
NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE
? We all know that anything written in all caps is undeniably true. Why are you backing off now to include only the Earth as being volcanically active?
- Warren
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
Plainly the point is clear Mars the MOON and the others have no volcanic activity, as you said exstinct well do you care to tell what happened to make them exstinct.
Point is there are nine planets only one of them shows any activity and that is earth, the solar system has plainly cold planets. with obvioulsy cold interior. or i should say obviously cold and frozen surface.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Seems to me that Mars is simply old, and smaller than Earth, and cooled down inside. Same as our moon, if it ever had such interior activity.
There isa actually volcanic activity elsewhere in our system. Venus I think, several Jovian moons.
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
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HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PLANETS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AN INTRESTING FACT AND FEATURE IS THAT NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE OR CORE, SUBSURFACE. [/B]
I thought Venus had volcanos.
Data from Magellan's imaging radar shows that much of the surface of Venus is covered by lava flows. There are several large shield volcanoes (similar to Hawaii or Olympus Mons) such as Sif Mons (right). Recently announced findings indicate that Venus is still volcanically active, but only in a few hot spots; for the most part it has been geologically rather quiet for the past few hundred million years.
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3316
Well more volcanos, nice moon btw. :)
Dwayne,
When are you going to post those equations you offered me?
- Warren
Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,
When are you going to post those equations you offered me?
- Warren
Dwayne
SUPERVOLCANOS CAUSED BY THE MAGNETIC POLE SWITCH
First of all, the term "suervolcanos" was coined by the BBC a few years ago and has no scientific meaning. Secondly, volcanoes are not caused by the switching of Earths magnetic poles. They are caused by magma, which has risen up from the Earths mantle and builds up in chambers within the Earths crust.
these laval pools increase and become active when the magnetic field becomes inverse during a polar switch.
Dwayne, do you actually read the links you post. Nowhere on that site does it suggest anything to do with your claim. Please do not attempt to deceive the peeps by confusing fact with your fiction.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE PLANETS OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM, AN INTRESTING FACT AND FEATURE IS THAT NONE OF THEM SHOW A ACTIVE VOLCANIC SURFACE OR CORE
Wrong. You may want to consider reading the information from your sources.
hOW DOES THAT SOUND FOR EVIDENCE OF A COLD INTERIOR OF EARTH
What evidence ? All evidence suggests the interior of the Earth is not cold.
Here is a record of the poles motion over the last 100 years
Yes, very interesting pictures. What's your point ?
Point is there are nine planets only one of them shows any activity and that is earth, the solar system has plainly cold planets. with obvioulsy cold interior. or i should say obviously cold and frozen surface.
Completely wrong. What about Io, a moon of Jupiter ?
Instead of craters, Voyager 1 found hundreds of volcanic calderas. Some of the volcanoes are active! Striking photos of actual eruptions with plumes 300 km high were sent back by both Voyagers (right) and by Galileo (bottom left image on this page) This may have been the most important single discovery of the Voyager missions; it was the first real proof that the interiors of other "terrestrial" bodies are actually hot and active.
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/io.html
Like i said earlier we are about 100 plus yreas late in discovering the poles are in the proccess of a pole switch, this based uppon the poles motion and event relavant so stated earlier.
The poles switch every half-million years or so and take several thousand years to complete. On record, there are about 170 pole switches in the past 75 million years. However, if you wish to pursue this argument:
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/3/1/14
http://www.antarcticconnection.com/antarctic/news/2002/041802mag_flip.shtml
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_564525.html
intresting point is that this new motion of earth and other effects may activate old DNA in the human body currently know as junk dna that we do not use.
Another extraordinary claim. Do you have any supporting evidence ?
One of the key elements of the poles iis that they rise the earth simular to the gravity of the moon, meaning the magnetic field is and acts like a anti gravity force. As the magnetic field weakens the earth will shrink, meaing sink, when there is little or no magnetic field the earth will be smaller in circumfrence, and general mass more concentrated per cm. in addtion it will be coverd in ice, the mass of earth will also become more concentrated in addtion by the increased rotation of the earth.
That, and everything else you stated in this post is complete hogwash. Provide some evidence. (not anecdotes)
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-10-02, 02:27 PM
Q to awnser you.
you have very weak argument, this is your signture regardless of evidence or argument: you have not posted any evidence, that is not relavant, this is the present theroy what you say is non-senses ect... must i go on.
that is the mind of a person that refuse to accept a fact, or plainly lacks the facts to make any decision. plainly you can say what you will i have posted the evidence i do not need your approval, and you will never change my mind with your rantings.
Are you a socialpath, do you deni facts to illict conversation
For your information and reference, what is relatant to your theroies present by people in the field, will calculate for other theroies as well.
Quite frankly i have not present a theory but a fact, and many of them, so many that it is conclusive what i have said.
Lastly as i have said befor your faliure to accept a fact is your hardship, in the end result you and your children may perish from earth unless you have the ablity to rely on another such as a goverment program, national or world emergence plan. but untill that time in your present mind you are no safe guard to your propagation or your childrens.
Plainly you are a slander case.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,
When are you going to post those equations you offered me?
- Warren
Dwayne's venom:
Q to awnser you.... you have very weak argument... you have not posted any evidence... refuse to accept a fact, or plainly lacks the facts to make any decision... you will never change my mind with your rantings... a socialpath... deni facts to illict conversation... your faliure to accept a fact is your hardship... you and your children may perish from earth... you are no safe guard to your propagation or your childrens.... Plainly you are a slander case.
Dwayne, you may attack me all you wish, it means little to me other than to confirm your interpretation of your worldview from beneath the sand.
Do you no longer wish to discuss your theories ?
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
Hello Dwayne.
To through creation for a loop
I'll try and take your dyskexia into account here. A good friend of mine is badly dyslexic but is a doctor of Chemistry. It's not a stigma anymore.
here is a very intresting point that i just thought i might bring to the table for note.
I'm all aquiver with excitement.
If the moon is within the magnetic field of earth in the begining of or at the time of creation of life on earth, and the early earth is covered in hydrogen/helium simular to jupiter, due to a greater amount of hydrogen and helium in the solar and galatic wind, and congeragting in the solars system.
According to this site (http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/cowley.html) the magnetosphere extends beyond 60,000 Km. But according to <a href="http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/billa/tnp/luna.html">The nine planets</a> the Moon orbits at 384,400 Km. Seems to me the Moon orbits well beyond the magnetosphere, counter to your claim. Also <a href="http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/PBearth.html">this site </a> seems to think other chemicals where present in large quantities. Certainly not H and He.
it would be more likly that life would have begone on the moon than on earth, its just a odd fact.
Wild man. Moon is inside Earth's magnetic field, we have a hydrogen/helium mixed atmosphere so life started on the Moon. Hmmmm.
i thought i might mention it for those of you who might toss the idea around.
Heh, heh, he said Toss, heh, heh, heh.
In other words life would have traveled to earth from the moon across a soup of gases, that would not burn off untill life had already crossed to earth.
If H and he was present in the early atmosphere it was not burned off. IT escapes because it's thermal velocity is greater than the escape velocity of the Earth.
point is that juptier much larger than the earth
That much is true.
, has a magnetic field simular to earth
In that it is magnetic, yes!
but smaller than the earths at maxium,
Lessee here, <a href="http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/jupiter/magnetic.html">this site</a> says Jupiters Magnetosphere is about 7,000,000 Km. Earth's is about 60,000 Km. Seems to me that Jupiter's field is hugely larger than the Earth's at all times.
meaning also that the earth is actaully twice the size of juptier if you count are magntic field, the missing ingedient is the hydrogen and helium and other gaes, which at any time could have burnt off.
No, not even close.
and responses to this idea are accepted, chemical life what about it, where can it occur.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Does; you are wrong. Totally wrong. Absolutely and completely, unreservedly wrong. Mean anything.
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-13-02, 06:48 AM
Well people sorry about the interuption in my disertation and discussion. I had to do some math due to a misplaced event.
earlier i exslained several possiblites od a event and proccess, which effect the time line. regardless of what assignment is given to the event of the polar switch it is amounted to about 150 years maxium in occurance, and of course this 150 year limited is reliant on the event that the mption of the poles gets progresivly quicker, as is seen in other pole switches, example the sun.
in the end result after doing the math and looking at the circumstances the events become clearer to the event of the polar switch.
The proccess of events basically remains the same. The event of the poles switching and returning will take 346 years to make transition from the polar location to the equator, in this event the magnetic pole will break apart in to many pieces, these many pieces will take less than 346 years to reach the equatorial bulge(or magnetic equator) where they will disappear, they will exist as magnetic field that migrate, about the size of some local fields. The event will leave the earth without a magnetic field for some portion of the 346 years with the poles returning about 70 years after the 346 years, so in event the total proccess to gone and return will be 416 years.
The many seperated poles will travel at about 13 miles a year or about 1 degree every 4 years, a comparsion to how that much faster then now that will be in the motion of a magnetic field is the present rate which is about 1 degree every 5 years, and the rate prior to present which was 1 degree every 10 years.
As you can see the prsent rate is very close to the actual speed of what the many seperated poles will travel at this is also a very good indicator that we are very, very close to the real event.
In my new calculations the pole switch will occur in 37.5 years, the intersting thing about this is that the north pole and the south pole give a diffrent time for collaspe or break up, the south pole gave a time frame of about 120 years( point i could not find the information on one aspect therfore giving me 120 years) regard less the event defined that the two poles will break up at different times, even if it is only about 10 years difference which would seem more accurate. what this means is that the the north pole which will break apart first will travel ahead of the south pole leaving the south pole intact for a addtion ten years although the south pole will be eratic in flux.
this behavior of the poles to break up at different rates also makes life more possible during the switch a difference of 100 years in the break up is a very nice factor when it comes to the event of human survial. also as the north pole will break apart frist the ice age will begin in the north pole and progress at 1 degree per 1.5 years and get progressive with time.
when the pole return they will reappear at 45 degrees in each hemisphere.
I WILL POST THE TIME DATE AND YEAR THAT THE POLES WILL SWITCH GIVEN A STANDARD RATE MEANING THAT THERE IS NO INCREASES IN ITS CURRENT MOTION NEXT
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne
also as the north pole will break apart frist the ice age will begin in the north pole and progress at 1 degree per 1.5 years and get progressive with time.
If the poles do switch, as you've claimed, it certainly wouldn't trigger an ice age. That is completely wrong.
If you had read the links in my post above, you would have noticed that scientists are arguing we might just be in a pole shift and that the Earths magnetic field is weakening and may vanish early in the next millenium. If so, Earth might be exposed to cosmic radiation which of course would not have the effect of triggering an ice age. In fact, they only talk about effects such as naviagtional problems and semiconductor production issues. Hardly reason to break out the winter parkas.
:D
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-13-02, 02:05 PM
Well people i think i will hold off on naming the time for a momment,
the event of the Polar switch that is to happen in 37.5 years is just the beging, after the 37.5 years the poles break apart into about 100 pieces, meaning 100 different magnetic poles, as these magnetic poles start towards the equator they travel at a speed of about 3.8 years per degree or 5.5 minutes to every foot of motion towards the poles, these 100 poles are 400 miles in diameter at the very center, in there progression they become huge hurricanes that are taller than 25 miles high, that will have a gale wind force that reaches some 67,000 miles across the face of the earth, this means that many of these hurricanes/poles will have cross waves with each other contuiously even at the equator, in this procccess they gather up the winds of the earth.
due to thier size they also gather up the ozone from the stratosphere and bring it down to earth, filling the earth with ozone, basically cleaning it like the maids good scrub job.
What is intresting about them is that there timeing is very accurate, as they actually gather up the upper atmosphere and bring it down to earth, as they will beging in the month of september/august, they start just in time to take on hydrogen and helium and to fill the upper atmosphere with it up to the 9,000 mile mark, this induction is very great and equal to about 100th of the earths mass, not including the gravity of the new mass taken on from hydrogen and helium which will over all be no compression in comparison to having not field, this on take of helium will allow the moon to be better controlled, as the gases will compensate for the lossed magnetic field, and will generate enough energy to repely the moon from crashing into the earth.
here the earth with out a magnetic field will shrink and gravity will become more defined, increasing gravity by some 100 th of what it is today, however atmospheric weight will increase by greater than induced by gravity. this definition of gravity will refine the moons orbit and bring it closer to the earth, close enough for the moon to become active with lava below its surface crust. the increase in the earths spin will also bring the moons orbit closer as well, and in crease gravity by 1/5th giving a rotation of about 18 hours a day, the gravity will be about 40 feet per sec per sec., any other excess will be relived by the moons new orbit and the exspansion of the atmosphere over the polar regions of the earth.
the ice age will happen however there will be areas where it is warm, much land will be under water and ice.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne stretches:
As much as I would like to comment on each point of your post, I can't imagine what to say. Your theory keeps getting more and more ridiculous each time you post. Your apocalyptic worldview is outrageously raving.
I must admit though, your imagination might get you a shot with a Hollywood producer.
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-13-02, 02:37 PM
Well Q and the others, its just the way it is. And I am sure the goverment is aware at least in some department.
lets hope they do not try some super machine that will mess up the proccess and leave us with out a magnetic field forever. lets hpoe that they find some way to shelter and transport people for the time that it is destructive.
For the indivdual i am recomending a aztec temple of a prymiad, as this what you will need to survive such a event, i am also recommending some form of capsule, such as the capsule of Winston Churchill, amazing what the ancient past can show you!
I am also recommend a diet high in nitrogen.
I also recommend that you build your craft and get it airborne or stablized what ever as after the switch you will not be able to esacpe gravity to such thing as reach outter space,, well you might but better safe than sorry. don't say you were not told.
HA,HA the fear of reality!!!
DWAYNE D. L. RABON
Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,
When are you going to post those equations you offered me?
- Warren
Dwayne admits:
HA,HA the fear of reality!!!
Hmmm... I suspected there was some reason why you're conjuring up this nonsense. I didn't think it was so easily explained away merely by your fear of reality.
I therefore offer a bit of free advice, Dwayne; embrace reality. :)
I don't believe that Earth's magnetic poles will break apart in hundreds or even tenths of smaller entities. Why- because earth's magnetic pole is created by metals in liquid state flowing beneath the surface of earth. It is one connected system and it forms 2 magnetic poles- as in any and every magnet on earth.
There are always 2 poles.
What you suggest is that there will be like many small magnets beneath the surface of earth- I don't think that it then could be called earth's magnetical fields\\, because magnetical field has 2 poles. And anyways- if the flow of the metals would stop, wouldn't that mean that magnetical field would be gone?
Besides I would like smone to clearly tell me why earth's magnetical poles should break into many
http://www.exploratorium.edu/learning_studio/auroras/images/magnet.gif
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magnetical field of Jupiter (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/jupiter/magfield.gif)
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-13-02, 03:25 PM
Well let me say this the rain will not fall on the earth in that time when the magnetic field has disappeared.
Also there is one more sad fact that could be a reality, but it won't change the before and current statments about the pole switch, it only designs that there will be no pole to return.
However the core of earth generating the magnetic field is not a solid metalic core of iron or nickel, but is a made of hydrogen,helium and oxygen, and therefor it will return and has returned in the past many times.
going on there still is one more event that could be a factor, but it will not change the event of the gas elements at the core or the event of a polar switch nor buy more time.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Originally posted by chroot
Dwayne,
When are you going to post those equations you offered me?
- Warren
This must be the New Science to go along with the New Math.
I prefer the old science, backed up by observational evidence. :)
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-14-02, 03:57 AM
Well people so far we have been doing Ok, being so close to time of the polar switch, meaning that the switch could have happened this year with the suns polar switch, grace gives us that the suns pole is now aligned with are prsent field, this may give us some time, and take some time, but we will know the outcome of this success by december of this year, if we make it we will have at least another 11 years to wait for the worry of the suns next polar switch, if we make through that then we have another one to make all in all its a thin line from today to the end of the next 37.5 years, tippy toe for some time. main thing is that we make it through this december, if so we have some time before serious action. anyway the scale gives us 37.5 years.
Knowing this allow me to exsplain how the goverments of the world can provide some design, to safty.
there are 6,000,000,000 people in the world to day each person has a volume of space equal to 2 ft x 6 ft(cu.), this means that the entire world population could fit in a 20 mile X 20 mile space thats a area not bigger than most counties.
As the world has become expert at building skyscrapers or buildings that reach into the sky, such a structure could be built to house or lift the world population into space ect... given the idea the entire population of the world could fit in 8 buildings 216 feet tall, with a base 396 ft by 396ft or (216 x 396 x396). the size coould be reduced by increasing the number of strutures, and be built in different parts of the world.
One of the problems is the defining of the proper materials that will last through the earths change, with a increased gravity and no magnetic field, this might be a job for some one that built a satilite that was designed for MARS, or Venus, there are two countries that have sent successful missions to both places one russia sent to venus and the usa who sent to mars. does any one knoiw is the designer of the venus satilite still alive.
if should be that the goverments of the world are people os a selfish and poor means either way with out the ablity to design and see to it the safty of humanity, well then we can see what the past has given us and can teach us, a hole in the ground, a pryamid, a aztec temple a stonehedge, a cave, a boat, and a sun disk with which to reflect sun light with intensity to the areas where agriuculture is to be grown, all of these ancient tools of those surviving the last polar switch, the use of fur, stone to warm and crack to shape,chip to shape, we also have sound which will be able to produce supersonic sound waves, at least super sonic waves in our present atmosphere.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-14-02, 05:21 AM
Someone asked for some equations, well the basket weaver said that the reed was three times longer than the width so it would make a circle basket. as they are all the same length.
here's a list of static polarity of atoms.
By the way all electrons on earth are polarized by the magnetic field to some exstent!
POLARITY:
H 0.666793 SN 7.7
HE 0.204956 SB 6.6
LI 24.5 TE 5.5
BE 5.6 I 5.35
B 3.03 XE 4.044
C 1.76 CS 59.6
N 1.10 BA 39.7
O 0.802 LA 31.1
F 0.557 CE 29.6
NE 0.3956 PR 28.2
NA 24.08 ND 31.4
MG 10.6 PM 30.1
AL 6.8 SM 28.8
SI 5.38 EU 27.7
P 3.63 GD 23.5
S 2.90 TB 25.5
CL 2.18 DY 24.5
AR 1.6411 HO 23.6
K 43.4 ER 22.7
CA 22.5 TM 21.8
SC 17.8 YB 21.0
TI 14.6 LU 21.9
V 12.4 HF 16.2
CR 11.6 TA 13.1
MN 9.4 W 11.1
FE 8.4 RE 9.7
CO 7.5 OS 8.5
NI 6.8 IR 7.6
CU 6.1 PT 6.5
ZN 7.1 AU 5.8
GA 8.12 HG 5.7
GE 6.07 TL 7.6
AS 4.31 PB 6.8
SE 3.77 BI 7.4
BR 3.05 PO 6.8
KR 2.4844 AT 6.0
RB 47.3 RN 5.3
SR 27.6 FR 48.7
Y 22.7 RA 38.3
ZR 17.9 AC 32.1
NB 15.7 TH 32.1
MO 12.8 PA 25.4
TC 11.4 U 24.9
RU 9.6 NP 24.8
RH 8.6 PU 24.5
PD 4.8 AM 23.3
AG 7.2 CM 23.0
CD 7.2 BK 22.7
IN 10.2 CF 20.5
ES 19.7
LOOKING AT ELEMENTS H, HE,O,F,NE WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE MOST POLAR MOLECUE WHICH IS HELIUM, SECOND WE CAN SEE IS NEON, THEN FLORINE, AND THEN HYDROGEN, COMPARING THIS WITH THERE ABUNDANCES IN THE SOALR SYSTEM, UNIVERSE AND EARTH WE CAN SEE THAT HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE THE RULING FACTORS, AND AS WELL THEY ARE THE MOST MAGNETIC, AND BOTH ARE SUPERCONDUTORS AT SPACE TEMPTURES, VERY LOW TEMP, THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT IN THE BEGINGING OF EARTHS FORMATION THE WOULD EXIST TO START AND HOLD A MAGNETIC FIELD, THERE IN ABLITY TO ESCAPE THE MASS THEY FORM PROVIDES THAT THEY REMAINED CENTERED TO THE EARTHS FORMATION, ADDTIONAL HEAVY MASS WOULD NAVIGATE AROUND THE MASS, IN LAYERS FORMING THE CRUST OF EARTH, FURTHER IN SUCH WARMTH THAT WOULD EXIST CREATED BY THE HYDROGEN AND HELIUM AS A SUPPER CONDUCTOR, SUCH WOULD DEFINE PREESURE OUT WARD AND EXSPANSION IN TO THE SURROUNDING UNVERSE AT A CONSTANT WHICH MAKES THE WORLD ROUND, THIS SAME ATTRACTION PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER OF THE MASS OF EARTH HAS A HOLLOW, WHICH IN EQUILBRIUM PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER HAS A GRAVITY AND TEMPTURE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN SPACE,PRESENTLY 50 DEGREES KELVIN,THE TEMP OF THE SOLAR ATMOSHPERE, THIS CENTER WITH OUT SUNLIGHT IS COLD, VERY COLD, COLD ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN A STATE IN WHICH HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE POLAR CAUSING THE MAGNETIC FIELD, AND COLD ENOUGH THAT SUCH DOES NOT BREAK APART.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-14-02, 05:47 AM
Well what causes the poles to switch in the first place, well they follow the galatic equator, along with the equinox, this cause ther wandering motion, what defines the zero postion is the sun and its field and gravity, in oppostion to the universal attraction, this defines 45 degrees as the zero point, the motion betwwen the two forces causes the motion of the magnetic field, and earth, all this means is that the earth is fixed in motion betwwen the two the sun and the universe, the magnetic field is also in the same motion but to a greater exstent, as the magnetic force is a componet of the earths mass it is relative in motion, simply the earths axis pivot causes it to move n/s and the earths rotation causes it to move e/w, know as the motion to wander, I.E. the wandering poles, as the magnetic pole gets closer to the axis pole on which the earth rotates, it moves faster, this rotation of earth also causes the pole to collaspe when reaching the earths axis, therfore the magnetic field travels from it zero point 45 degrees to the earths axis, at the earths axis the poles collaspe causeing the poles to switch. in this event of a switch the magnetic core is washed around every day and with the earths axis tilt of 23 degrees, this is due to solar radation inflaming the feild, at the core, magnetic fluxation from day to night, relative to the axis tilt of earth, this effect means that the poles will switch in the month of september or march, around the 21st through thru 26th of september or betwwen the 23th of march and the 6th of april sometime about 2038.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-14-02, 10:46 AM
Ok then what are some other proerties of the polar switch,
Well in the begining ther are hurricanes, giant ones, that bring the ozone down to the ground level, and also they cover the outer earth with helium and hydrogen, asy the induct it inward,
after the 346 years of this giant hurricanes, it will al of a sudden stop just like it began, after it stops the earth will be very quite with out any hurrricanes for at least 70 years, in this 70 years the magnetic poles will be in the proccess of getting stroner. this growth of the magnetic field allow some sense of a magnetic field during the 70 years and be noticed more and more. overall during the entire pole switch there will be a magnetic field, one that takes 346 years to vanish and one that takes 70 years to return, between the 346 years and the 70 years there might be a time of about 10 years or one years of no dierctional motion of the field going or coming, this will be due to magnetic field curnning to a new start postion and alginement.
the giant hurricanes that bring the ozone down to earth will deteriate the the surface of earth such as rocks, and cause burns of life forms. this will not be a severe event over all, but will cause rock faces to crumble, foreset to disappear, mud slides, and cause such problems with humans as hair loss, burns, lung burns, it will also cause the weaking and breakage of plastic objects, overall oxygenation of metals causing rust and corrosion. this ozone injected by the hurricanes will eventually rise and settle above normal beathing atmosphere, and contact with earth surface, however this will not occur untill the hurricanes have died out, that means 346 years of battling ozone on the surface.
the event of the ontake take of hydrogen and helium will allow the upper atmosphere to fill up, but will also add hydrogen and helium to the earth surface, this will creat water when mixed with the earths surface atmosphere, the helium will change the tone of the human voice to a very high pitch. the take on of hydrogen and helium in the upper earth will prevent intense radation from reaching earth, but still will allow sun light to reach the earth surface, it will absorb given spectrum, at the same time it will create a covering light like a light buld, such as a halogen light buld , or exactly the same as the planet neptune with its glow, or like one of the outteer planets, this will be due to the hydrogens conduction of electrons, there will be exsplsions in the upper atmosphere due to hydrogen, this blanket of hydrogen will also warn the earth, preventing a total coverage of earth by ice.
also during this time of the hurricanes the atmosphere will be getting heavier and heavier starting at the poles frist and working its way torwards the equator, as this happens those areas will get calmer and settle with the ozone riseing, here also the ice age will start growing due to the coldness and lack of sun light, and refaction of thicker atmosphere. in the travel of the hurricanes it will be very wild weather such as is seen in a normal hurricane, with ojects traveling at exccessive speed , spinning trees, homes, more like a spinning forest of trees ect... this will one of the most destructive elements of the polar switch. some of these hurricanes will act to gather up the atmosphere of earth and push it up in to the stratosphere, causing trees and cars and homes ect... to rain on the earth, inside some of them if you could look inside you would see the sea floor, this will last for 346 years. in this time you could be safe for a little while at the equator dierct, or at the poles however at the poles the gravity will be increaseing and getting colder. also to mention the hurricanes will be bringing in cold atmosphere of the upper atmosphere. as the pressure increases volcanos will erupt with lava from the upper earth plates at many fissures on land,.
DWAYNE.D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-14-02, 11:29 AM
The event of Oxygen in the soil of earth will cause land forms to move changing the shape of many hills and valleys, this oxyegen is also the cause of the stabltiy of the hurricanes, and will also help the magnetic poles return, also due to the oxygen polarity some areas will have a remaint field such as the zero pole in mongolia 45degrees by 105 degrees. Soil will kind of gather around the hurricanes as they pass by, the crstal SiO4 will change color to either white or clear? it will change craytla agnel and energy, some soil will remain SiO4, proabally large tracks like viens of gold ect... muddy Other features, such as the soil of earth will be muddy, and the water on earth will spead to seap in to other earth regions, some going under ground, creating lakes hear and there, the ablity to walk on water will be possible, meaning that a person could walk on water practically or at least crawl, this will be a occurance of the increase in gravity and atmospheric pressure, simular to a dragon fly that floats on water. this and volcanic activity will increase as the hurricanes travel to the poles, after the hurricanies have travel a distance to the equator the volcanic activity will slow. at the end of the hurricanes about 346 years after the beinging of the hurricanes the earth will become calm. (A example of what one of these hurricanes will look like about 200 years in to thier existance is seen on the planet JUPTIER called the red eye of juptier, there is one on neptune as well).
the earth will be very calm like still water or fog, at this time the earth will start developing a new magnetic field, also during this time because of the new gravirty and pressure the clouds will not be in the sky but on the surface level, there will be no rain, just mist, heavy ,heavy fog this will occurr during the 70 years, as the magnetic field gets stroner, the mist will rise and become clouds again, as there will be very little land and lots of mush and hard water the mist will basically be on the water,deep in the earth under the mush the earth will reform and compress rock that can be compressed with out breaking, so there will be some firm srufaces, alot of it will sink however. as there will be no rain fresh water will be on the menu, this can be take from the mist and condensed, or you could build a mountain and let the water condense on it and fall into a pot ect...
other event such as metals and conductive materials such as gold will still be very vaulable for warming things,but they will be like puddy, you could mold them like clay, the conductive elements will be very warm to touch, like picking up a cup hot coffee, some may burn on touch, aluminium will be very hot, much simular to mercury, infact the warmth of aluminum will be the sourch of water evaporated into mist. You will not be able to see the stars, taken given the upper gases effect, the will be a light bullb day and night, with the acception of about maybe a hour or two of the 9 hour night.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne,
Do you know what an "equation" is?
- Warren
the poles will switch in the month of september or march, around the 21st through thru 26th of september or betwwen the 23th of march and the 6th of april sometime about 2038.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Thank you, Chicken Little. Could you then, disconnect your internet connection, build your underground bunker, lock yourself inside until "sometime about 2038," and we'll see what happens. Seeya then.
BTW - don't hold your breath. :D
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-14-02, 01:22 PM
Lastly as i said before it sounds like the riddle of the sphinks, for this reason, with the increase in pressure , the human will have to walk on all fours or in a hunched postion,and then once again start walking upright, so at first you will have to crawl or walk like a baby then like a old man and then like a upright man. to protect your heart rate, simple simular to high blood pressure or the accelerated rythm and heart rate of a cameleon, your heart and palpation cycle will have to adjust, this requires a strong heart, as gravity will increase to 40 ft.per sec per sec, that is exspericned by astronauts in take on the shuttle, living in it though will cause some changes, and as there is no magnetic field, to help palapation, static cycles, wave frequency travel better horizontaily, so a bent over postion or lying down postion simular to astronauts will be the safest when it comes to heart rate and palaption. you can see how the sphinks sits.
you can se how cromagnon man and other cavemen had to walk hunched over, and some men still have that same hunch, that is the heritary hunch of the old ancestors that survived the last polar switch. In addtion the human may grow a tail, as is seen in embrology, this tail bone that rest betwen the hips, would under those condtions be a relative gentic factor, and such pressure and equinox would activate such junk dna, so then sometimes born with a tale or a thrid leg. and you will prasie the sun every day it shines looking in the sky for it to rise in the mist. souds like the riddle of the sphinks if you ask me.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne,
You're a complete, total raving nutball.
- Warren
even to me, and I'm no geophysicist
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
LOOKING AT ELEMENTS H, HE,O,F,NE WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE MOST POLAR MOLECUE WHICH IS HELIUM, SECOND WE CAN SEE IS NEON, THEN FLORINE, AND THEN HYDROGEN, COMPARING THIS WITH THERE ABUNDANCES IN THE SOALR SYSTEM, UNIVERSE AND EARTH WE CAN SEE THAT HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE THE RULING FACTORS, AND AS WELL THEY ARE THE MOST MAGNETIC, AND BOTH ARE SUPERCONDUTORS AT SPACE TEMPTURES, VERY LOW TEMP, THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT IN THE BEGINGING OF EARTHS FORMATION THE WOULD EXIST TO START AND HOLD A MAGNETIC FIELD..
Sense of chemistry...so offended...can't....respond coherently....
twitch
twitch
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-15-02, 07:30 AM
Well i certainly have grown tired of the comments, the event of many of the comments that i have lead me think that many of you are very sick, and that in the future and mabe even in the present some of you will be a harm to others.
fristly if you know so much that you derive better than what i have provided, then you should state so, however none of you could or did, nor could you provide the circumstances that intail the event of the polar switch, athough such is a know event.
it would be a shame if scientist or people or intelligence where to prform communication and discussion about a inportant issue effecting humankind in such a manner as was displayed by many of you that preport intellgence and science. plainly there are many fields of science and many people studing different facts of that field, with numerous discovery that can not even be cataloged, the compling of that wealth of infomation to resound completion of a built task requires communication, not the concept and ego that regardless of what you say i say this ectra... in such there is no accomplishment. plainly many of you exspress your self in this way, as if your ameture development in science would provide you a noble award, because you decided that something was one way, although in science the understanding of transtion is necassary to make any acomplishment.
saddly many of you would take to much nutruing to bring to a clear mind of reality, you can only be given facts and allowed to work it out.
In the end if you fail to accept notice of events of warning then it is your own hardship,
The hollow core of is 11.33 miles thick, with a circumfrence of 35.8 miles.
the magnetic field core exstends from this this 35.8 mile circumfrence to a circumfrence of 436.8 miles and is 139 miles thick,
the magnetic core is composed of hydrogen helium and oxygen, all diatomic gasous, that define polarity. this helium and hydroge are stable, having a exstensive atomic life time, the magnetic core is of superconducting helium and hydrogen, and oxygen. the magnetic field is conducted through earth by the aliegnment of oxygen thoughout the core of earth, in addtion to other elements.
the polar switch is not a joke and is due to occur this century given the reports of those tracking the motion of it, this motion is effected by the spin of earth and other factors, the spin of the earth causes the poles to be induced to its axis where in end result the poles collaspe, currently the north pole is 7.2 degrees away from the magnetic pole. the average rate of travel or the magnetic poles is 12 to 14,000m a year, in comparison to the past rate of 11.8km, the rate of increase of motion is due to the induction of the earths spin. (like wise the south pole.)
I find many of you to be rude and ungreatful, and it is such character that confuses science. in this event you would argue to hide the clamity of the world untill it was to late, and in such time you would have hide from the world the means to define savior, as you dispell facts with nonsenses, consuming the ignorant but yet alive and human that would depend, as a child.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Yes, Dwayne, make us all feel sooooo guilty for not listening to you, since, after all, you're just handing us the answers on a silver platter and all we're doing is making fun of you.
For the last time, Dwayne: you're a raving nutball. What you offer is not science, it's delusional paranoia. Please go away.
- Warren
Really, guys...it's pretty obvious that he's just having fun by seeing how worked up he can get people by posting wacky ideas. Responding to him seriously is only adding to his fun.
Post your theory, by all means. But provide all observations, calculations, and equations to support it.
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-17-02, 09:57 PM
EVIDENCE OF ATOMIC POLARITY
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
here's a list of static polarity of atoms.
By the way all electrons on earth are polarized by the magnetic field to some exstent!
POLARITY:
H 0.666793 SN 7.7
HE 0.204956 SB 6.6
LI 24.5 TE 5.5
BE 5.6 I 5.35
B 3.03 XE 4.044
C 1.76 CS 59.6
N 1.10 BA 39.7
O 0.802 LA 31.1
F 0.557 CE 29.6
NE 0.3956 PR 28.2
NA 24.08 ND 31.4
MG 10.6 PM 30.1
AL 6.8 SM 28.8
SI 5.38 EU 27.7
P 3.63 GD 23.5
S 2.90 TB 25.5
CL 2.18 DY 24.5
AR 1.6411 HO 23.6
K 43.4 ER 22.7
CA 22.5 TM 21.8
SC 17.8 YB 21.0
TI 14.6 LU 21.9
V 12.4 HF 16.2
CR 11.6 TA 13.1
MN 9.4 W 11.1
FE 8.4 RE 9.7
CO 7.5 OS 8.5
NI 6.8 IR 7.6
CU 6.1 PT 6.5
ZN 7.1 AU 5.8
GA 8.12 HG 5.7
GE 6.07 TL 7.6
AS 4.31 PB 6.8
SE 3.77 BI 7.4
BR 3.05 PO 6.8
KR 2.4844 AT 6.0
RB 47.3 RN 5.3
SR 27.6 FR 48.7
Y 22.7 RA 38.3
ZR 17.9 AC 32.1
NB 15.7 TH 32.1
MO 12.8 PA 25.4
TC 11.4 U 24.9
RU 9.6 NP 24.8
RH 8.6 PU 24.5
PD 4.8 AM 23.3
AG 7.2 CM 23.0
CD 7.2 BK 22.7
IN 10.2 CF 20.5
ES 19.7
LOOKING AT ELEMENTS H, HE,O,F,NE WE CAN SEE WHAT IS THE MOST POLAR MOLECUE WHICH IS HELIUM, SECOND WE CAN SEE IS NEON, THEN FLORINE, AND THEN HYDROGEN, COMPARING THIS WITH THERE ABUNDANCES IN THE SOALR SYSTEM, UNIVERSE AND EARTH WE CAN SEE THAT HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE THE RULING FACTORS, AND AS WELL THEY ARE THE MOST MAGNETIC, AND BOTH ARE SUPERCONDUTORS AT SPACE TEMPTURES, VERY LOW TEMP, THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT IN THE BEGINGING OF EARTHS FORMATION THE WOULD EXIST TO START AND HOLD A MAGNETIC FIELD, THERE IN ABLITY TO ESCAPE THE MASS THEY FORM PROVIDES THAT THEY REMAINED CENTERED TO THE EARTHS FORMATION, ADDTIONAL HEAVY MASS WOULD NAVIGATE AROUND THE MASS, IN LAYERS FORMING THE CRUST OF EARTH, FURTHER IN SUCH WARMTH THAT WOULD EXIST CREATED BY THE HYDROGEN AND HELIUM AS A SUPPER CONDUCTOR, SUCH WOULD DEFINE PREESURE OUT WARD AND EXSPANSION IN TO THE SURROUNDING UNVERSE AT A CONSTANT WHICH MAKES THE WORLD ROUND, THIS SAME ATTRACTION PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER OF THE MASS OF EARTH HAS A HOLLOW, WHICH IN EQUILBRIUM PROVIDES THAT THE CENTER HAS A GRAVITY AND TEMPTURE EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN SPACE,PRESENTLY 50 DEGREES KELVIN,THE TEMP OF THE SOLAR ATMOSHPERE, THIS CENTER WITH OUT SUNLIGHT IS COLD, VERY COLD, COLD ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN A STATE IN WHICH HELIUM AND HYDROGEN ARE POLAR CAUSING THE MAGNETIC FIELD, AND COLD ENOUGH THAT SUCH DOES NOT BREAK APART.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-17-02, 10:46 PM
Plainly the materials that generate the magnetic field are helium,hydrogen,and oxygen. The core of the earth can not be solid as a matter of universe exspantion, and attraction. Put another way atom in space has no polarity, the same as for life forms in space, the simply just float, with out pressurization the bloat, actually exsplode, humans in sace also lose bone mass as there is ho center of gravity. what that means is that a object in space, exspands in all direction, this exspansion is a result of the exspansion of the universe, and its background constant, which is lower than the surrounding solar system, and galaxy, at 2 degrees kelvin it is the biggest heat sink that you will ever find.
here at 2 degrees kelvin all objects must give to it or be taken by it, simular to the idea of a black hole. you can't exscape the heat sink, even to exist as a particle or planet ,human ect.. energy must be given to it, or be absorbed by it.
because of its demanding attraction on all obecjts that exist, and it vastness it attracts and absorbs at every angle that exist, due to this all planets and suns ect... are round throughout space, here mass is attracted at every angle and therefor a square planet of triangle planet is not found in space. it is the universal law. this attraction furture attracts to such a exstent in the forming of stars and planets that mass has no center point, not even atom. understanding this law the second fact of evidence is the event that mass has gravity, when looking at a man made solid ball cut in half, we can see that more mass rest on the out side than the inside, due to this example it is demonstrated that under the laws of gravity(resting static energy) that the earth in natural motion as the planets and stars follow the same structual shape, this defines that due to shape, the out side rim which possess more area,then is in possession of more mass, this mass brings the center to the out side rim forming a hollow core of each planet and star. the event that the universe attracts at a greater rate than mass demonstrates that there is more mass in the outside rim or the planet. takee your choice mass and area, or attraction of energy and mass.
the center of the earth is hollow with a diameter of 11.33 miles, on that is a shell of helium, hydrogen, and oxygen. the main parts helium then hydrogen, this mass of the magnetic core is 139 miles thick. the elements are the most abundant elements in the universe, are the compostion of solar wind, and galaxtic wind, the two elements also are diatomic and polar to them selves in chemical bond, and in generating a current. there is no other suitable mass to exist at the core of earth, not only does it meet the above points but it follows universal law, in that it exspends energy quick enough to beging a structure of mass built on a heat sink of the universe and hold mass, seen in the affinty of hydrogen in natural chemistry as well.
Consider this hydrogen escape ratio, helium escape ration, abundance, stablity, and endurance, as they can be reused and resuses endlessly?, consider its ablity to concentrate.
there is no other mass more suitable or likley. Helium and hydrogen can have a magnetic reversal and return, as seen in the record, iron can not do this, nor nickle, they can hold a magnetic current but if altererd even a little that current is destroyed, a magnetic reversal would not return as seen in the records if it was a iron core,and futher would never return with the near strength as before do to increasing temp, atmoic decay, and least to say it would take almost as long as the record says earth has been around just to sink to the core of earth.
GET OFF THE IDEA THAT THE EARTH HAS A IRON MAGNETIC CORE,
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne
Firstly :eek:
And secondly :confused:
Third :bugeye:
And lastly :rolleyes:
:cool:
I'm just waiting for the final post that makes the connection with another evidence-rich scientific post. You know, the one that would state that not only will the pole flip, gravity disappear, survivors run to the pyramid of Hope, rain not fall, etc, etc, but that the Earth will become a Type IA supernova.
:rolleyes:
- Jaxom
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-17-02, 11:24 PM
The magnetic pole of the earth is 7.2 degrees from the axis of the earth, the axis of the earth will cause the magnetic field to switch.
Phsyical exspermint, take a magnet and place it on a little round float, float the magnetic in the toilet,spin the magnetic, flush the toilet, does the magnetic sink or does it float.
Point is that the magnetic field moves, rotates opposite the rotation of the earth, they are two restiting force, one is weaker than the other and is attracted to it, when the magnetic field reaches the axis of the earth which is stronger that the rotation and strength of the magnetic poles, the magnetic poles are inducted in to the earths axis spin and collaspe, just as what happens in the toilet the field id forced to collaspe, it divides and splits traveling out its current to the end point which is at the earths equator. at the equator of the earth the poles material helium and hydrogen, are warmed at the equator and compressed, due to the spin of the earth this defines there polarity in direction,as well the chemical polar bond of the diatomic elemet{atom behavior}, the attraction of the univese as well demaning energy most at the poles of earth. the poles in there reoccurance appear at the 45 degree latitude, due to the earths spin, the poles gain highest fluxs at the latitude equator, but can not maintain there because of spin and compression, there for as they are relative to motion they chose the next higest flux point at the 45 degree lat. and gain further energy by longitude where rotation is faster and a field can appear due to a decrease in latitude compresseion.
In all this time of pole switch it takes about 410 years, in cludes iceages, atmosphere changes,the surface shrinking and exspanding lunar change and more.. mass exstinction
At current motion less than 37 years, can something be done YES!
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 12:59 AM
In the beging of the polar switch one battle will be fighting the effects of ozone in the air that have been brought down fromw the stratoshphere, by the giant hurricanes, another is the event of helium in the atmosphere which will cause a change in the voice of people to a sound of a more higher pitch, if the helium ontake in the 346 years is in great amounts the language the we speak will not be understandable by others due to the distortion, you can see how we would sound if you go to the ballon store and buy a helium ballon and breath in some of the helium, very odd sounding, this is what humans that surive to the end of the 346 years will sound like, it's a very high pitched sound,(don't breath to much though if you should get curious and want to try it out, it won't harm you but you can get very light headed, with to much..ect, the event of helium and hydrogen take on will fill the upper atmosphere from 600 and up to the 4,000 to 9,000 mile mark, where this will act kind of like a magnetic field, and will prevent particle bomardment of the surface, and will warm the earth by the conduction of electrons, and solar energy, oddly it may be possible that a metalic film of hydrogen and helium combined may form? the giant hurricans cooling the earth with cold upper atmosphere, and vanishing background energy will cause the iceage.
One real issue is that of atmospheric pressure, the new gravity and pressure will increase as the hurricanes get closer to the equator, this event of gravity and pressure will compress the atmosphere, and the lack of a magnetic field will cause the oxygen and nitrogen to seperate, with the nitrogen resting on the oxygen like a blanket, when they seperate they will each be pure layers of gas, the layers will start to appear just afyer the hurricanes appear, and get larger as the hurricanes travel to the equator, what this means is that humans will have to breath pur oxygen rather than the mixture of oxygen and nitrogen. saddly humans can not breath only oxygen in pure form, and high denstiy, as it causes OXYGEN TOXICITY, which causes central nervus system toxicity, which results in convulsions,pulmanary faliure, and burns, seziures and results in death, the coming of this ortion of the pole switch is a serious one because, underpressure both nitrogen and oxygen become a king of drug that makes you euphoric, and deluisional. in this issue it would be kind of like a gase bomb ect that hit a town, different towns will just be happy for about a day maybe two and then start twitching and vomiting, and then die.it would look like a room of sleeping people ectt..., the event of this layer of pure oxygen and nitrogen are a real problem, because it kind of sneaky in comparsion to the hurricanes. however it not undeafeatable, however in the beging with out alot of atmospheric warm to cause atmoshpreic convection it will be difficult, but the moon will cause convection(some),and the sun at noon, the layers of oxygen will meet the layer of nitrogen at the 15,000 ft mark, here convection will occur, and as the oxygen will be less dense at this level the nitorgen will mingle with the oxygen, this will provide a safe zone to as low as posibbly 5,000 ft, the 5,000 ft window will open broadly with the warming of earth by the sun, and high and low pressures created by the motion of the moon, and as there will be a weak field there will be other convections caused by premenated local fields, oxgen polarity in soil,SiO4.
capsules made for containment about the size of a car could be made (automoblie industry), and maintian life if they could exstract breathing air from the ocean which actually, gives a better breathing air that what we normally breath, one issue though is that water will kind of be like jelly.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 01:37 AM
A intresting note to the times when the pressure increases, and changes is present, the crabs and bottom shellfish will come out of the ocean,and crawl all over the land.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
EvilPoet
10-18-02, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
the crabs and bottom shellfish will come out of the
ocean,and crawl all over the land.
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Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 02:31 PM
The event of the disappearing magnetic field, also causes the earth to shrink, this must be added to the event of defining a safty zone. over all the entire earth will shrink some 80 miles in diameter, and 40 miles per hemishphere, on the surface the land mass will shrink some 1,200 ft to 2,000 ft, the event that the earths atmosphere will be a safe zone from 5,000 ft and up, with the most safest breathing atmoshpere about 15,000 miles and up and below for some measure, (as much as the 5,000 ft level via convection). the event of the earth sinking must be added to the saftz zone, or to say subtracted, this gives the minium of the safty zone a 6,250 ft level, with a optium breatheing zone of 16,500 ft. here we can see that life of humans will survive in the mountain ranges from 5,000 to 20,000 ft, with the 5,000 ft level being the survival shore line, given the circumsatnces this shore line will be one that is invisable, where in a person can accidently wander past the invisable shoreline zone for as much as several days,to sevreral hours, as the length of the day is only 9 hours but light all the time exccept for two hours, the longest safe time in such a wandering person would be about 2 hours or so it varies with oxygen toxicity and possiblty of nitrgoen occurance.
in this we can beging to see the land scape avaiable to humans during these times during a pole switch, another aspect of the landscape will be that the water level will rises as far as the 1,200 ft level, but the water depth around the world will less, in stead of covering 70% of the world the oceans will cover 82% to 85% of the worlds surface.
in this we can now see the danger zone, which will exsit between 1,200 ft above current sea level and up to 6,250 ft level,
intresting enough one the endge of the 1,200 ft level, the event of survial will be possible to some exstent in some areas, as the sea will give off nitrogen in any warm area, mostly on the equator where sun light is direct and gravity will induct electrons from the atmoshere,( plainly some areas). dangerous!
the total livable land surface of the earth at such time will be about 5% and optimual living less than 1%, maxium living area sustaining earth life forms is 3,000,000 sq miles fo the entire earth, thats just about the size of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Over all the safest regions to live in due to regards of the atmospheric condtions is Asia, and South America. China is situated by far the best. after the above two North America and then Africa, both Europe and Austrlia, Russia are very poor places to live and very much in the danger zone for atmospheric condtions, with the exception of Switzerland. Much of Africa is also badly situated, leveing very small islands of life much like Europe.
To understand how people will feel and what the new gravity will be like, a person can hang up side down for about 5 to 10 minutes, the wieht and felling of blood will be the same when you try to lift your head and arms.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Damn, Dwayne, you're still talking?
*listens to the crickets*
- Warren
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 02:53 PM
So the what can world goverment and goverments do, For one presently they can eliminate passport laws.
The goverments of the world can design the minum of 8 buildings in differernt locations around the world, above the 6,250 ft mark perferably above 10,000 ft. these compounds would be capable of housing the entire world population, each person in a 2 ft x 2ft x 6 ft capsule the provides decompression.
Helium and neon even hydrogen? and nitrogen can be provided in small hand held canister, and large canstiers, in the immediate change and for circumstances of transtion from the danger zone to the safe zone and population decompression chambers and compound above 6,250ft and 10,000 ft,
in major areas where given regions and countries are in the danger zove it may be possible to design several oil tankers that act as decompression chambers and transport, the population to a security zone above 6,250 ft.
the automoblie industry could be reconstructed to mass produce a capsule that acts as a decompression chamber.
Iron magnets or superconducting magnets can be placed above the 6250 ft mark and upward, these magnetics can produce a field strongenough to act as convection due to oxygen and nitrogens polarity, causeing a column of convection, of mixed nitrogen and oxygen.
also mouth pieces simular to a filter can reduce the density and pruity of oxgygen, halting the event of oxygen toxicty.
the main issue after all of this was done would be the event of food resources.
many aspects of such management of the human populatiuon in such circumstance, are milarty in order, and prison management or penial instution management. What about free movement?
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
For one presently they can eliminate passport laws.
Gee... what possible implications could an idea like that result ? :rolleyes:
To understand how people will feel and what the new gravity will be like, a person can hang up side down for about 5 to 10 minutes, the wieht and felling of blood will be the same when you try to lift your head and arms.
Dwayne, you've been spending too much time upside-down. Please return to the mothership.
MRC_Hans
10-18-02, 03:47 PM
Are you still at this? Magnetic poles have reversed numerous times in the (prehistoric) past. Its no big deal, and has nothing to do with gravity. It will require us to revise navigation with magnetic compasses, and there will probably be some nasty magnetic storms, but the average citizen wont notice much.
Hans
MRC_Hans
10-18-02, 03:54 PM
Ohhh, sorry, I only now read Dwayne's posts, heheh. Well, I thought I'd seen them all, but the www never ceases to surprise.
Hans
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 05:17 PM
In addtion to atmosphereic condtions, there is the event of the earths rotation that will in times cause the 6250 ft level to be saturated with oxygen, this oxygen will seep up or blow up from the lower 1,000 to 2,000 ft level, causing for periods of oxygen rich atmosphere, so then there will have to be oxygen montiors to provide warnings, something like area warning for pollution, present to day in different cities and counties.
6,250 ft level will also in addition to housing people will have to operate to support agriculture, such a requirement of land for agriculture, defines that humans will have to live above the 8,000 ft mark at minium depth, trees and agriclture will undoubtly suffer form burning by oxygen, and the event of lack of direct sun light, or the change from sunlight to thermal warmth and atmospheric warmth conduted by the helium and hydrogen in the upper atmoshpere(4000 to 9,000 miles), quite frankly bushes and shrubs, underground foods such as the potato, and root foods such as carrots will be the source of food and thrive the best, growing very large in areas of warmth, tall tress, furit bearing plants and the like will sufffef dwarfism, and become bushes and shrubs that may yeid many fruits in warm areas, trees will be able to survive in the danger zone from 1,000 to 6500 ft but will be subject to heavy oxgen attack. one reason for the dwarfism is due to the weigt of carbon and CO2, which will be compressed in to a heavier and thinner layer, the other reason is the new gravity. dwarfism is not subject to oxygen exsposer but thicker rines will be. (the thicKness of rines is something that i think huamns exsperinced before, and is the reason for canie teeth in humans, and not the advent of eating meat.). water that is forced up through the land will form small seas and lakes, just below the 6250 ft mark and will be the source of the trres water supply. the event of bushes and shrubs to grow very long roots will exist, to limit the number of plants per crop, however the lack of water may force the roots to actuallly grow deeper in stead, exstent root grothw will be exspected.
In the exstent of the danger zone it will exstend from the invisable shoreline at 6,500 ft to the opean ocean and cover the ocean, here on the ocean in certain places small layers of mist will form like clouds in the atmosphere,exccept there will be no clouds in the higher atmoshpere as seen today, these mist clouds that form due to the event of the hydrogen escape ratio, will travel accross the waters surface, at the botom of theses mist layers water accumulation will look and be like syurp, or small foating moluces of syurp, mist that reaches the 6,500 ft mark will be more like water and more so as the elevation gets higher, at about 15,000 ft it will be near normal water. the exsent of the danger zone the span of the oceans will exist as a jelly/syurp, Now thats a ocean full of jelly/syurp, this type of ocean will be able to supprort more weight, and hence a boat will float more people ectra.
the event of the oceans new weight will force the shell fish to come to the surface, and move about the land all the way up to the say 2,000 ft mark and out of the ocean shores, here the shell fish will being to eat the alge that grows in the jelly/syurp, they will not need to dig down in the jelly, but they will hide here from humans and preradtors, like wise clams and other such sea animals, most sea life will come on land and eat from the sea on the shore, large animal life of the sea will chase smaller sea life on the shores in visable site, the larger animals will come to live on the shore as they will not be ables to swim in the jelly very well, if at all, at depth geater than the 500 ft mark. most animal life of the sea that exist to a deep depth will come to the surface and thrive, others will simply die in mass exstinction, kind of stuck in the jelly. and example of the site is that of salmon in a migration stream. in the mid years of the change of the POLAR SWITCH there will be many mass exstinctions, and therefor plenlty to eat, lots of dead bodies in the sea and on the earth here and there.
Animal life much like humans in resperation/ breatheing will be subject to the same 6500 ft mark, animals that wander past that mark will be subject to OXYGEN TOXICICTY,
this will be basucally the designe of the food chain, the majority of humans and animals will eat from the shrubs and bushes, and roots, the sea animals will eat other sea animals and alge, this will be due to the physical seperation of the danger zone from 6500 ft to sea level.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
I sense that Dwayne has read something concerning diving... since he's suddenly begun using words like "decompression," "oxygen toxicity," and integrated them, in fine crackpot fashion, into the dense, impenetrable web of his delusions.
- Warren
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 05:43 PM
So seeing the times, how can the foood chain be inproved, for one,
Allowing wild food producing crops to grow above 5,000 ft in replacement of timber product trees,
restrict all hunting and killing of wild deer,rams, sheep ectra, dubbling their population,(artfical insemantion ectra) restricting there motion to above 6,500 ft.
Eliminate sea crops of shell fish such as crab, restrict all fishing of river spawing fish, and thereby increasing population of such animals.
such practice know will insure the event the survial of these animals and later the increased number for adjustment to the new condtions of the polar switch, providing a foood chain for humans.
Note animal life may need to develope at a lower eleveation to sustain the change and readjustment to a highe elevation at a later date.\
Note, alge will grow on the suface of water or just below the surface exspecially near the shore, alge can be croped as a very nutrious food supplement.( presently it is a very large cash crop in Hawaii, and massed produced in to health drinks).
When it comes to cashing in on theses crops, mainly the sea life, a meathod of crossing the dangerzone barrier will have to be developed. carefull management of sea population food resources will be nessacary as the area that sustains sea life will be limited as it is for humans, not deeper than 500 ft formost all sea life, no matter wear it is, thats a big difference than the current averge depth of 3 to 2 miles of depth current to day.
quite frankly the organization of life for the most part will be a socialist organiszation. meaning it will be best custom to help your neighbor, ectra.... this is not to say that freedom can not be installed, but can not threaten the establishment of the whole, the exsitance of present restraint human activity due to milatry operations cold war parnoia ect... will have to be debunked.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
parnoia ect... will have to be debunked.
Now why didn't I think of that. :eek:
There must have been a door there in the wall when I came in...
**Crazy, over the rainbow, he is crazy...**
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 07:24 PM
In addtion to the events of the atmosphere and the sea, there is the event of the ice age, the event of the ice age is progreesive as the increase in gravity and atmosphereic pressure, in note to these two forces gravity will increase to 40 ft per sec per sec, atmospheric pressures will increase to 21 lbs a square inch.
the event of the increase of gravity will appear as a deteriation of the polar caps, causing ice sheets in the poles to compress, and break apart, this will be the beging also of the ice age and such ice age will in crease about 1.2 degrees per year. the ice ages progression will be in conection with the giant hurricanies that are caused by the breakup of the poles, which bring down ozone from the stratosphere, and incease hydrogen/helium ontake.
as the gravity has increased and the magnetic field disappears, the atmosphere which has become more dense due to pressure and gravity, blocks the sun light from reaching lower levels with intensity,, as well the uppper ontake of helium and hydrogen block certain spectrum, and changge enegery emmison entering the earth atmosphere, these events combined, bring on the ice age, the spread of the ice age will reach a exstent lower than the 45 th degree latitude, or plainly to the 45th degree the earth will be in a ice berge, lower it will be break apart ice brerge, and then lower pemafrost and seasonal frost.
the event of the hurricane prove crucial to the time frame of the earth when completely with out a magnetic field and the redevelopment of the field, as the place hydrogen and helium in the outer upper atmosphere that will later warm the earth and act like a thermal blaneket. where when the hydrgen and helium reach a great enough level it will act as a thremal blanket as it gains energy with its mass, this will slow the progress of the ice age and begin to melt the ice, making more land avialbale, the refectivity of the ice sheets will also warm the atmosphere causing convection difference and making breathing more possible, the ice sheets will also provide a source of fresh water, about he last portion of the 346 years the earth will begin to warm due to the upper thermal blanket, the ice age will also help the helium and hydrogen within the core generating the magnetic field to repolarize. also around this last leg of the 346 years humans will talk with a very high pitch due to the helium ontake,
intrestingly the helium on take is crucial also in making the decompression of life forms easier,making life more stable in the atmosphere.
also during these 346 years the moon will begin to get closer to the earth, in general the moon will not gain a highly ellpict orbit, as it is the square of the earths mass, but not magnetic field and a increase in gravity, will cause it to get closer to earth, the weaker the field gets, from this we know that the moon has been getting closer to the earth for some time know. in the next 37,2 years and less it will beging to get even closer at a faster rate, this closer approach of the moon will cause a increase in volcaninc activity in unison with the poles deteriating, where the influnce of the moon on earth will increase at the core of earth bringing heavier metals to the surface, such as gold, uranium, platnium, tin, lead ect.... most of this volcanic activity will follow the path of the moon in its orbit, its wax and wane of 10 degrees, and will cause disrptions in that path as wide as 37miles and greater when at its maxium closness to earth and most active effect on voclanic activity in area of effect is some 90 miles, at the end of 346 years or abouts, the event of the last portion of the 346 years leaves the earth with out a field completely and the moon could at this time take a grand dive closer to the earth, to its new fixed point, the event of the helium,hydrogen barrier acting as a thermal blanket and solar radation, and friction will be the determining factors. after this event the worst will for the most part be over with the exception of battling volcanos and carbon dioxide.{SUPER VOLCANO}
as the moon follows a uniform path due to the fact that it is the square of mass on earth, the new volcanos will be fairly uniform in there new occurance, and once the path is located, things will be fine in that regards.
the intresting and scary part is the possible 1 to 10 year dip, which will be relavate to the appproaching speed of the moon and the current of the thremal blanket, and length of time with out a field motion.( remaint polarity may play a part)
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Man, this brings the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth" to a whole new level.
- Warren
I am in awe. This is the most detailed, in-depth BS auto generator I have ever seen. Anyone know where I can get the source code? :)
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-18-02, 07:45 PM
Well CHROOT that is true, it will be simuular to diarreah of the mouth, or diarreah of the lung to be a little more accurate, as the event of the attraction for the moon will cause you not to drop a stool, and waste products of the body will in most part be compressed out of the lungs, as gases. in these time a lifesavers breath mint will be much appreciated. even a tic tax would be great. would care fro me to exsplain that events of the moons progreesion torward the last 346 years and untill the repostioning of the poles 70 years later, heres a point for satres of the past and present that we live in one event of the moon geting closer is that humans have been getting taller, a quick look at the size of aminals in the records analog shows the progression or ascention and decention of the moons placement. relative fact the earths surface is a fairly recent surface. and the moons placement is relativce to growth.
DWAYNE D.L.RABON
Originally posted by Dwayne D.L.Rabon
waste products of the body will in most part be compressed out of the lungs
:eek: We're going to crap out our mouths?! South Park was right -- I knew it!
- Warren
I would ask for a link to relate the gaining of height to the moon getting closer but I already know that there won't be one forth coming.
The height relationship has been attributed to better nutrition being available.
Dwayne D.L.Rabon
10-19-02, 09:43 PM
Well WET 1,
Really no web site