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    Aish hada! Time for 9 Muharram and the Shia feast at the Jamat mmmm....

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    Sanaa Saeeda to you too!
     
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    In Mumbai the Shia community has a communal feast on the eve of Ashura every year. Its held in the jamaat khana [cxommunity rooms] and is generally open to all

    kullu youm [sanaa?] wa antum bakhair to you too! Jazakkalh khairan.
     
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    kullu yawm (means day) wa antum bekhair (and you are fine, (you for plural))

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    sana=3am..=year
     
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    ah, okki,do you go their? the communtiy room or whatever? how is it ? do you have pictures? i like to see new things
     
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    I don't usually go - I hate crowds. Sunni Muslims also usually fast on the 9th, so unless the feast is after iftaar its not possible to go. They take out tajias in Mumbai, in commemoration of Hasan/Husain in Karbala and self flagellate with swords and whips. Too much sweat and blood for me!!! They have some specific rituals and songs for the duration of the procession - beating their heads with sticks, cutting themselves with knives etc. Its also a form of oral history and re-enactment so if you hang around, you can hear the story of Hasan Husain and Karbala

    Most Sunnis think this is all nuts excessive so you won't find many people participating in the feast.

    Still if you'd like to see, this is a video from Byculla, in Mumbai.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBHtuQe07G8
     
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    fuc** you mean those who put knives in their body and do other, helish things? gosh, is that islam???
     
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    i saw a video on FB once, it's shocking what they are doing, they are like the deamon worshipers, the hard rock people, the gothics i think, who worship, "deamons" and do things in their bodies
     
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    well, at least these don't modefy their bodies


    but, why do they do it? what's the logical reason behind this? and for what be,efit? why? how? when? where? etc...
    sh*t!!
     
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    Its the mourning ceremony of muharram for Shias. Its historical rather than religious. But yeah, its Shia Islam - nothing to do with God, but meh!

    I mentioned taziyas - in Iran it refers to the re-enactment of the story of Karbala but in India it refers to the small ceremonial mausoleums carried in the procession

    They range from this:

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    to this:

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    There is a Hindu family that has been taking out Taziyas since 130 years!

     
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    They do it as a reenactment of the torture inflicted on the grandson of the Prophet at Karbala,

    Don't you have any Shia Muslims in Tunisia?
     
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    well this one is beautifull, like a carnaval, i thought you meant those who put knives in their bodies and do other things!!
     
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    Yeah, it all happens at the same time @@ Some of the "mourners" carry the taziyas while some of them re-enact the suffering.
     
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    only few, never met one, anyway they don't any of those things, the ones that i hear about them, after, they also have the same quran as all muslims do, and say "ash'hadou anna la ilaha illa allah, wa anna mohamadan rasoulou allah" right?
     
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    oo, then, i like the carneval part, and i hate the deamonish part

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    Yeah but they are considered another madhab in Islam and they add some stuff about Ali to their shahada. The practice of Islam is not very different, they have the prayers but use slightly different movements [but then I discovered in KSA that Saudis also pray slightly differently from Indians] and same Quran and same festivals. Only they have Ashura because Husain was a Shia Imam and their Eids are generally a a day before the Sunnis [again, the Saudi Eids don't match the Sunni Indian ones either so I don't know why that is].

    Most Indian Shias also don't do the self flagellating, but I think its usually carried on as a family tradition, ie if they do it in the family, then the kids pick it up. Its mostly done by those who consider themselves the carriers of the tradition with the responsibility to carry it within the community
     
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    ah, i see,but, for example indian sunni and saudi sunni, only few differences, few, but same principles, maybe some traditions like, idk, the things to do in eidfor example
     
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    Not much similarity actually, they do everything low key, we like a lot of noise and colour
     

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