Should people who commit crimes be locked up?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by desi, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. desi Valued Senior Member

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    Locking people up seems like a waste of time and effort. Like society paying a babysitter to watch adults. There has to be a better way. What do you think?
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, there IS a better way. End the pampering of people in prison (color TV, rec rooms, magazines and videos, etc. and return to the practices of the past where they were FORCED to work and pay for their own upkeep.

    The phrase "paying their debt to society" is insane - because it's SOCIETY that's paying THEM to live in hotels, even if there are steel bars, guards and barbed-wire fences.
     
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  5. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    There are recidivist offenders who are recidivst because they know that in Jail they can get three square, and a roof over their heads, but out in the real world...
     
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  7. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Answer: not locked up by chained.
    Reintroduction of the galley would not only provide exercise for convicts,
    it would also reduce the carbon footprint of coastal shipping.

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  8. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    Depends what the crime was.
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with Pinwheel.
     
  10. sandy Banned Banned

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    Deport them and their families to their countries of origin. If they can't behave like a decent human being then let them go home. I am against ANY privilidges for them. No tv, phone, mail, computer, medical or dental... Nothing. They should be forced to work 12-hour days. Maybe that would deter some of the filth that ends up in jail on taxpayer's dollar.
     
  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    Sandy most criminals aren't immigrants. Most immigrants follow the better than natives simply because they can be deported. Most criminals are people like you who think that for some reason they're better than others.
     
  12. sandy Banned Banned

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    The criminal alien population in US prisons is very high.
    Your second sentence makes no sense.
    Personal attacks are bannable offenses. Knock it off.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    not realtive to their population nor the prison population as a whole. natives are far more criminal than immigrants
    How so its a perfectly clear sentence in english that shows a rational thought.
    its not a personable attack. Its an apt description of your own views and criminals. You think your better than nonchristians. most criminals justify their acts as the victims deserved and that they were less than them.
     
  14. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    I go along with Pin and Cosmic.
     
  15. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Of course it depends on the crime. But I don't think we're talking about petty things like shoplifting here. Rather things like grand theft and crimes that include violence.
     
  16. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    There is a more efficient, simpler way.

    Execution. We shouldn't apologize or feel bad for it, either; they did the crime, they pay the price. They shouldn't have done the crime in the first place.
     
  17. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    Any violent crime should be given prison time UNLESS it is in self defense of some sort.
     
  18. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, that's a baseless statement. Anything shown to be done in actual self-defense is NOT a crime in the first place.

    The problem there is that self-defense is sometimes difficult to prove. That's truly one of those unfortunate situations where the guy/gal is ALWAYS "presumed guilty until proven innocent."
     
  19. otheadp Banned Banned

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    Locking people up has been the standard form of punishment for thousands of years. Countries keep doing it because that's what's always been done. You gotta separate the people who can't live within society's rules from society. You need to rehabilitate them so they can return back safely to society, punish them, deter potential future offenders, and bring comfort/closure to the victims.

    Jail is a double edged sword though because it can be like a crime university, and it can close off avenues to released convicts (e.g. if you have a criminal record for assault then you won't be hired by most employers even if you spent years in university and have years of market experience), making them more likely to reoffend.

    But what else is there to do?

    There are all these programs like counselling, schooling opportunity in jail, parole officers after release, court ordered community service, fines, even the death penalty... and crime still goes on, and the jails are overflowing. In fact, if every person who breaks the law was caught then countries would need to build 3-4 times as many jails as there currently are (maybe even more), and to school and hire as many lawyers, judges, justice-system workers, etc.

    That doesn't mean that these laws should be changed -- for example, many people, probably most, cheat on taxes.

    So what's a society to do? I haven't heard of a genius alternative solution to jail yet.
     
  20. kororoti Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah. We need to admit to ourselves that purpose of prison is punishment, not "rehabilitation". Fear of punishment is what prevents an otherwise dishonest person from robbing a bank. If there was no punishment, people would try all the time. Some still do, but only the most determined and/or reckless criminals, which is a pretty small number compared with the number of dishonest people in society overall.
     
  21. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Nietzche
     
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