al-Qaeda terrorists in UK tried to buy a nuclear bomb

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  1. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    Suspect 'had nuclear bomb plan'



    The men, one of whom cannot be pictured, deny all the charges

    A member of a UK group with alleged links to al-Qaeda was involved in a plot to buy an atomic bomb, a jury at the Old Bailey has been told.

    The plan was to buy it from the Russian mafia in Belgium, the jury heard.

    Four men, of Crawley, West Sussex, one of Horley, Surrey, one of Ilford, east London, and one of Luton, Bedfordshire, deny conspiring to cause explosions.

    Four of the men also deny having chemicals suitable for bomb-making. The trial is expected to last five months.

    The second day of the trial heard claims that one suspect had talked of bombing the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent, and allegations that two men had been trained in the use of the ricin poison in Pakistan.

    The court heard that in 2001, when Salahuddin Amin had been in Pakistan, he had been asked by Abu Munthir, a man he had met at a mosque in his hometown of Luton, to contact a man named Abu Annis about a "radio-isotope bomb".

    Prosecutor David Waters QC told the jury: "Amin did so via the internet and Abu Annis said they had made contact with the Russian mafia in Belgium and from the mafia they were trying to buy this bomb."


    Omar Khyam allegedly proposed pubs and nightclubs as targets


    Mr Amin later told police he did not believe the offer could be genuine.

    But the negotiation was "an indication as to the trust imposed in Amin and his position in the Pakistani end of the organisation", Mr Waters added.

    Earlier, Mr Waters said the seven defendants had been heard discussing bomb targets on Sunday 22 February 2004 at the home of one of the defendants, Jawad Akbar, in Uxbridge, west London.

    They had already acquired "most of the necessary components" to launch a bombing campaign, with 600kg of ammonium nitrate fertiliser and a smaller amount of aluminium powder - later recovered from a west London storage depot by detectives, according to the prosecution.


    Jawad Akbar referred to attacks upon the utilities, gas, water or electrical supplies



    David Waters QC



    Allegations in full


    Several of the defendants were trained in how to cause explosions at a camp in Pakistan, where many of them have family connections, the prosecution says.

    Mr Waters told the Old Bailey: "Jawad Akbar referred to attacks upon the utilities, gas, water or electrical supplies."

    The prosecution alleged that Mr Akbar also said: "The biggest nightclub in central London, no one can put their hands up and say they are innocent - those slags dancing around."

    Denials

    Mr Akbar had already been recorded telling his wife he did not want to appear ostentatiously religious, the jury heard.

    He told her: "They are going to train me up and probably send me back here", according to the prosecution.

    On 19 March 2004, Waheed Mahmood was recorded in Omar Khyam's Suzuki Vitara car, which UK police and the security services had bugged in a security operation codenamed Hobbit, the jury heard.

    'Little explosion'

    He raised the possibility of planting a bomb at the large Bluewater shopping centre in Kent the following day, a Saturday, according to the prosecution.

    Waheed Mahmood suggested "a little explosion at Bluewater - tomorrow if you want", the jury heard.

    Mr Mahmood, who worked for a contractor for gas and electricity infrastructure company Transco, was heard saying the Madrid bombs were beautiful, the prosecution said.

    The jury also heard that Mr Akbar had been recorded saying "if we get raided today we're finished", after searching for two CDs with Transco written on them.

    Mr Amin, 31, Mr Akbar, 22, Mr Khyam, 24, his brother Shujah Mahmood, 19, and Waheed Mahmood, 34, all of Crawley, West Sussex, Anthony Garcia - also known as Rahman Adam - 23, of Ilford, east London, and Nabeel Hussain, 20, of Horley, Surrey, deny conspiring to cause explosions.

    Mr Khyam, Mr Garcia and Mr Hussain deny possessing ammonium nitrate fertiliser.
    Mr Khyam and Shujah Mahmood deny possessing aluminium powder.

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    "A member of a UK group with alleged links to al-Qaeda was involved in a plot to buy an atomic bomb, a jury at the Old Bailey has been told.

    The plan was to buy it from the Russian mafia in Belgium, the jury heard."



    Say fucking what?

    A nuclear bomb for where london, manchester the uk is a small country a nuclear bomb would destroy london totally, and make the UK into a nuclear radiation wasteground for decades, it would be the end for the uk in business & our history would be wiped out.

    Now some here might understand my anger at this religon isalm, which harbours terroists & the only time they give them up, is when reward money is offered as in the case of the captured uk terroists & sadamm husain.

    money talks in islam, its about time humanity talked, after the planned attack on australia's nuclear reactors, it seems a terroist nuclear attack is being planned, i just hope its not in the UK.
     
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  3. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    Whats the problem Vince?

    IMHO a large nuke is just what this sad sick little country needs.
    Like, who's gonna miss bluewater?
    If it's anything like my local ubermall the **spits** Trafford centre then I'd be quite happy to nuke the place myself.
    Nothing interesting ever happens round here.
    Stop whining and thank the muslims for making life worth living again.

    Dee Cee
     
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  5. Light Registered Senior Member

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    Shouldn't that be: making death not worth dying for?
     
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  7. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    This would be just the type of response i would expect from you, nuke us please, meanwhile you would post responses to microsofts thread on the japanese aniversary of hiroshama, saying how stupid the americans were to drop it there, and what a tragic loss of life.

    But hey lets kill millions of londoners & destroy the uk, all so you can say i told you so, stay out of iraq, stay out of yugoslavia, stay out of germany, no let hitler, sadam, & the yugoslavia nut kill millions with genocide, because your mentality is make love not war, smoke a joint, if they bomb us who cares.

    Im alright in my little cuboard, screw everbody else, you certainly wont be missed by anyone,with your attitude to human life, whats your policy hinder people, rather than help them, you reap what you sow in life............
     
  8. Tali75 Banned Banned

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    This comes -- of course -- at a time that GB tries to pour British tax payers money into gathering info to "learn more about Islam's past contributions".
     
  9. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    Shouldn't that be: making death not worth dying for?

    Guess your not as bored as I am.

    But hey lets kill millions of londoners & destroy the uk, all so you can say i told you so, stay out of iraq, stay out of yugoslavia, stay out of germany, no let hitler, sadam, & the yugoslavia nut kill millions with genocide, because your mentality is make love not war, smoke a joint, if they bomb us who cares.

    Bollocks.
    Blow it up 'cos it ain't worth saving. It's no more complicated than that.
    America has fifty other states so they'll get by.
    Besides if the muslims did nuke London you'd have loads of stuff to whine on about.
    Keep you busy posting for years to come that would. Plus you get the buzz of saying "told you so".
    Living in the north like I do I can honestly say I wouldn't miss London.
    Place is a shithole IMHO.
    If they nuke the north then that gives me the perfect excuse to emigrate to NZ.
    Nobody ever seems to want to nuke them.

    This comes -- of course -- at a time that GB tries to pour British tax payers money into gathering info to "learn more about Islam's past contributions".

    Waste of money. anybody who can count is aware of at least one muslim contribution. Funnily enough The Govt seem keen to pump money into a replacement Nuclear deterrent so we can bomb people better (Providing America agrees of course as they provide the realtime targeting data).


    Dee Cee
     
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  10. Tali75 Banned Banned

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    DeeCee
    They planned bombing London on 9/11/2001, long before the Iraqi excuse.
     
  11. Tali75 Banned Banned

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    vince, skynews has a sketch of them.
     
  12. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    They planned bombing London on 9/11/2001, long before the Iraqi excuse.

    And George planned on invading Iraq long before the 9/11 excuse.

    So whats ya point?
    Dee Cee
     
  13. Tali75 Banned Banned

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    The point is that it's never connected to our action, they (radical Islamists) have their genocide & terror agenda on non Muslims or on not-radical-enough-Muslims world.
     
  14. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Those who engage in bombings do so because of political reasons. To free their people from occupation and genocide. This might not be the best way, but they do to avenge their family memebers, their mothers raped in front of their eyes, their fathers tortured to death, children burned alive.

    To blame this on religion, you are just trying to incite hatred for Muslims.

    Maybe you should have thought how many lives, Western and Muslim, could have been saved if the US never invaded Afghanistan or Iraq.

    Terrorist is a response, they don't kill because they are evil and they hate your values. That is a foolish way of looking at it.

    By the way, the evidence that Muslims even did 9/11 and london bombings in very shaky. How come they brought their IDs on the bus and this survived in the explosion? Was the bomb on the bus, under the bus, or was it suicide? How did the police know exactly few hours after, which houses to invade and search?

    Peace.
     
  15. Tali75 Banned Banned

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    Say what?
    If you send (like horrindes palestinians - most sick cult-of-death on earth!) your own kids out to be human bombs is this a fight against death or FOR death!

    Indeed the palestinian death-cult is not only a genocide campaign against Jews, but in genocide campaign on their own kids.
    So is using their kids as cannon fodders for terrorists bloody "freedom fighters" thugs.

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    And I mean also Arab killing Arab kids like Muhammad Al Dura that as we all know by now... was killed by -- yes... -- Arabs! --> http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~ginsburg/aldura/ A terrible Crime
     
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  16. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    You mean the ones that survived, after the Israelis massacred them in their villages.

    How strange that kids would bomb the Zionists for such a small infraction on the Zionist side like KILLING THEIR FAMILIES.

    I'm sure if some Zionists killed anyones family, then they would want revenge for their deceased ones.
     
  17. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

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    The point is that it's never connected to our action

    Really?

    What can you tell me about Osama bin laden?
    Very little I suspect.

    "Man makes religion ... But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man, the state, society".

    Agree or no?

    You might also want to check the origins of Islamic fundamentalism.
    Strangely enough some of the most "fundamental" and repressive states like Saudi, Pakistan and up until recently the Talban, all enjoy cordial relations with us.

    Go figure.
    Dee Cee
     
  18. Tali75 Banned Banned

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    Are you referring to Deir Yassin that the "unarmed" Arab villagers were found with GUNS TO THEIR HEADS?
    Or to the Arab Christian Lebanese that massacres the Arab Muslim palestinians in Sabra Shatila (palestinians' "best" propaganda weapon... lol) but Sharon that didn't dare to stop the Arab on Arab massare was "blamed" by Arabists propagandists?

    Besides, what does that generation battles have to do with TODAY'S premeditated Arab Muslim palsetinian cold blood murder?
     
  19. Alejandro -2 Minutes To Midnight- Registered Senior Member

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    is there a straight jacket in the house?

    what do you mean by peace?

    Kill them bastards, kill em kill em all. we need bigger bombs NOW

    Peace

    As an aside, lets not compare atrocities we'd be here all day.
     
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    Yeah, right! And Saddam was just a kindly old man who wouldn't harm a fly. All he ever did was be nice and generous to his people. And he even allowed the lower class to stay in all of his many palaces and swim in the pools, right?

    His little trip into Kuwait was nothing more than a harmless walk in the park.

    And the Taliban is/was nothing more than good-hearted boy scouts who help older ladies cross the streets safely.
     
  21. vincent Sir Vincent, knighted by HM Registered Senior Member

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    What absolute garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So i see setting off a nuclear bomb in london , balances a couple of goat farmers accidently bombed in iraq or afghanistan, what is your rational kill millions of londoners on purpose for thousands of muslims deaths by accident.


    "family memebers, their mothers raped in front of their eyes"

    I have never come across one stupid story of western soldiers raping muslim women.



    "Maybe you should have thought how many lives, Western and Muslim, could have been saved if the US never invaded Afghanistan or Iraq"


    Afghanistan was invaded by most of europe & america, the united nations is there now.

    You know the united nations dont you, its when nations unite to wage war aginst dictators and loonies.



    The iraq people polled many times, all were in favour of the invasion, now they want them out, rightly so, but the fact is they wanted sadam out, as you are not a iraq citizen, dont presume to tell them they cant be set free from the tyranny of sadamm your arrogance knows no bounds.


    Once again i am astounded by a muslims i dont care attitude, drop nukes on the UK or the US, after all there not muslims are they.

    A muslims compassion seems only to be for fellow muslims, if your statement is anything to go by MR diamond with thousands of flaws.
     
  22. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    Iraqi and Afghani jails after 9/11, the wars in the tribal areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan. There are millions of Abu Gareeb in the world, they will be made public in time.

    The Un is a tool for consolidation of the rule of the West over the rest of the world. It was designed to prevent other nations form gaining power, and keeping the West on top.

    If the UN was made to try war wongering leaders, why aren't Bush or Sharon on trial? Why did the UN criticize Hamas for winning elections, but Israel who steals more Palestinian land every day are guiltless?

    Believe what you want. Iraqi freedom fighters will kick out the Americans and the British in shame.

    I do not support the use of Nuclear weapons and believe if the world truly wants to decrease their number, the US and UK and the West need to lessen their stockpiles or the rest of the world will always be threatened. I was against using nukes on Japan, which is a Non-Muslim country, it was not justified at all. I was against using phosperous on Vietnam and Uranium in Afghan and Iraq.

    Not true. I respect and revere many great leaders in the West and western thinkers who are ubiased and stand for justice. I don't agree with the majority of people in the west, but I still have compassion for all human beings even if i dont agree with them.

    Because I understand why bombers do what they do, does not make me accept what they do. I said myself, there are many bad people who bomb innocents and kill journalists who support Muslims. I don't agree with this. However, the US and UK try to put every one of these people together, terrorists with freedom fighters and this is wrong. I believe that person whose family is killed by a government or nation has every right to fight them to the death if they believe they were wronged. Because I understand why they would do such a thing, does not mean I support all of them.

    Peace.
     

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