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vslayer 05-29-05, 05:14 AM ok, i was thinkning, what if i was to run network cables between my house and my neighbours, and we all had adsl connections. would it work. and if it did, how well
wolud i get really fast adsl?
cosmictraveler 05-29-05, 07:45 AM No,your speed shouldn't change.
Its possible to 'double' your speed transferring packets asynchronously across the two internet connection. But is it worth the hassle of setting up? Doing so would require more than running fibre between the two houses.
Dilbert 05-30-05, 01:16 AM haha,
It is possible, first you have to "re-construct" your computer slightly, since you have to send 2 signals sync. The Neighbor, that’s no probs, you should use a switch so that you do not have any routing problems or loss of speed due to routing tables.
Let's say that you pull this of, you send 2 signals at the same time. In theory that is 2x Your normal adsl speed. However, in order for this to work you will need some sort of protocol for how the data is being sent. Your ISP will have to forge these signals together somehow you know, and if you get them to go ahead with this then you would have to test your line very carefully, one of them might be "longer" than the other, they might have different routing and therefore they become async.
What i am trying to say is that, if you can get the signals to arrive at the same time (more or less) and somehow manage some handshake like TCP/IP has then you might be able to pull it off. If you ignore Handshake then you might still be able to pull it off but you will not be able to tell if the data is corrupt or not.
Besides these "problems" there are the normal problems of packet loss, delay, interference, and so on. But yes, in theory it could be done, You just have to be really good friends with your ISP. ;)
vslayer 05-30-05, 04:08 AM so your saynig that if i have a link between my switch, and the one at my friends house, it will not utilise both connecitons when i start a download on mine.
and if it will corrupt the data, then is it still safe to have a link between the two so we can share a writebale samba server for media and large files
and with a cat5e cable going approx 800m-1km in 3 directions from my hub, what sort of delay wolud i expect when playing games
kazakhan 05-30-05, 05:02 AM so your saynig that if i have a link between my switch, and the one at my friends house, it will not utilise both connecitons when i start a download on mine.
No it will not use both connections.
...is it still safe to have a link between the two so we can share a writebale samba server for media and large files
Yes.
and with a cat5e cable going approx 800m-1km in 3 directions from my hub, what sort of delay wolud i expect when playing games
Massive delays if it works at all. If I remember correctly the maximum length for CAT5 cabling is 185 metres.
What you're thinking of is called "Multi-link" and you need the assistance of your ISP as has sort of been mentioned.
Dilbert 05-30-05, 01:26 PM Your "local" network, you and your neighbor’s will most likely work perfectly (but like Kazakhan the delay will vary depending on how long the distance is), however that can be solved in numerous ways.
But the problem with your adsl idea is that you only "own" one uplink to your ISP, and your neighbor the other one, in order for the sharing of an internet connection to work you can either: be close friends with your ISP and write a protocol that handles your shared line.
Or you can write an application that perhaps attaches an ID-number to every package, and then you share this app with who ever you might want to send your data too. Then you simply send signals Async or Sync from your computer over both of the lines. This will result in, less data being sent with every package but since you will have 2 uplinks it will still be faster in the end. By ID(ing) every package you would be able to use the lines as usually and leave the translation up to the receiver. How exactly this could be optimized you will have to figure out yourself, if you even want to bother constructing it. ;)
Stryder 05-30-05, 09:01 PM One other method involves you and your friend sharing a proxy that is setup to handle the packet distribution, perhaps you might be able to find somewhere on the internet that does it. However you'll find it expensive because you'll probably have to pay for the bandwidth that travels through the proxy from both connections.
vslayer 05-31-05, 05:15 AM pay?, are you meanng on top of my intenet rental?, becasue i haev no cap or extrea cost, $50/month = unlimited in ports 10000+(ports used for filesharnig are monitored and if i surpass 10gb i get put onto the second priority list where i get the leftover bandwidth only)
Dilbert 05-31-05, 06:10 AM He sure does :)
You know what you could do instead? Use one for Incomming transmissions and one for Outgoing transmissions, that would speed your internet usage up slightly, but not 2x, however it would be cheap and rather simple.
kazakhan 05-31-05, 06:27 AM That would be wasting quite a bit of bandwith Dilbert!
Dilbert 05-31-05, 07:40 AM yse it would, but it would be simple. and vslayer does not come off like someone who knows a great deal.
vslayer 06-01-05, 06:21 AM not really, but i was told by a friend that instead of assigning several people to download their own ting then sharnig the files at the nd of the month, i colud jsut slap several modems in my server provided i had that many phone lines
Jeremirroer 06-01-05, 06:37 AM hmmmm this thread wreaks of geeks.
hey that rhymes!
kazakhan 06-01-05, 07:06 AM not really, but i was told by a friend that instead of assigning several people to download their own ting then sharnig the files at the nd of the month, i colud jsut slap several modems in my server provided i had that many phone lines
I'm sure we could be of more help if you could cleary state what you want to do. Do you want to share your ADSL connection with your neighbours, share their ADSL or share each others which would be trouble than its worth? As for establishing links to your neighbours, if you have a "line of site" to them I'd suggest wireless. Also sharing your connection would be illegal as you would need a carrier-license (I'm assuming the NZ laws are similar to AUS) but that wouldn't stop me :D
vslayer 06-01-05, 07:12 AM ive never heard of a carrier license, but secifically, i want to join up my computer with several others by runnig a network cable down the road in order to obtain say, a 786kbps connection provided we use it at different times
Dilbert 06-01-05, 07:27 AM a few probs there,
The data packages can be "lost", the signal may become too weak (resulting in massive packet loss and inability for some users to access it at all) (you might need to strengthen it multiple times)
These probs might not exist, that depends on the distance and the quality of the cable and so on (and what cable).
Anyway, if i can be done (which i cannot say without any IRL info) then id suggest using a coaxial cable. I wonder if ATM would be the best package structure for you or not, i reckon that it would most "fair" in dividing the line and also it would probably be the most safe (data loss wise).
Not sure if this is something that you should be playing around with really :p guess ill leave it up to the others to give you simpler suggestions. :)
kazakhan 06-01-05, 08:17 AM i want to join up my computer with several others by runnig a network cable down the road in order to obtain say, a 786kbps connection provided we use it at different times
Wireless is the best way to go if you can "see" the other nodes, 800 metres is a bit far for cable unless your rich :D
Dilbert 06-01-05, 08:45 AM hmm, my wireless router can only stretch 300 meters outside. They will need something more expensive, and if they have trees and other obstacles in the way wireless might not work as well anyway, of course it will probably still be cheaper than the tech that i suggested :D
kazakhan 06-01-05, 09:42 AM With the right antenna 800 metres is a breeze...
I've already mentioned it would need line of site, although there are ways around that too :)
vslayer 06-02-05, 04:22 AM hmm, well obstacles arent that big of a problem in my crappy littel town, but im gonna need some more info about how to set up this wireless network
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